Really helpful vid if people are unsure of exactly how to adjust their settings, but not necessarily how to find those settings for yourself. Would love a video of Liam doing the tests on his trail with his notepad and explaining what too much compression feels like etc
Just bought a new 2023 Yeti 160 and it's been 10 yrs since I bought a new moutain bike and let me say BOY have things changed! Thank you for the help with understanding my new suspension as it's much needed!
Super helpful! Can't wait to see Liam's deeper dive on suspension setups! My first dual sus trail bike is coming soon and this topic is totally high on my list of stuff I need to learn! Great vid!
Loved it... Note Pad 📝 is Key! Treat it like a suspension bible so whenever you move up or down you always know where you were coming from.. especially since trails and conditions change so frequently ✌🏼😎
You guys should do a basic video on servicing forks and rear shocks. They all may be a bit different but kinda the overall philosophy behind what's going on for a basic lower leg/air can service. I need to do it lol.
I've always set my fork sag standing but the readings were always inconsistent. Hearing him say set it sitting down so the readings are always the same was a penny that should have dropped for me long ago! Cheers!
Can you make a "addendum" for coil shocks like setting sag, and any other coil settings (I'm not sure if there are any others) also new setup is awesome
Good video guys. I've had good success with this style of basic set up before on Lyriks. I am struggling now though. I have an Ohlins RXF 36 Evo and I just can't seem to get it where I want. The Ohlins recommended settings are crazy hard and mean I am using maybe 60% travel, even on pretty gnarly trails and feeling absolutely everything through my hands. I've got things a bit better now by reducing the pressure in the both chambers, but now I have a fork that still feels very firm and unreactive to trail chatter, whilst simultaneously using 90% of travel on almost any trail. Feeling pretty stuck!
Been waiting for Liam to do a video like this! Even though my suspension isn't very high end it's still nice to know how to set your own suspension up.
This is very helpful, and so are the links in the description. Did part 2 ever come out? Couldn't find it after searching the video catalog. Wondering if I'm terrible at searching (likely) or if part 2 hasn't come out yet.
EVOL DPS: impossible to disconnect shock pump without loosing lots of air, 15-25PSI...on 2 diff. pumps, one having "no leak " valve. I am starting to think shock valve is shot. Thoughts ?
Top video 🤘🏻 Little question with sag adjustments/measurements has the saddle to be in the lowest position (dropperpost) when sitting down as in the video?? Or in the riding position with the dropperpost at max height? Gr. Mischa
Great video, thanks! One thing though, I don’t mess with paper here in the soggy Pacific Northwest. Everything gets entered on my iPhone, that way the data is always with me, I don’t have to worry about multiple pad and pens and I don’t have to worry about the paper getting wet or lost. But that’s just me, the advice you have here is really terrific. Thanks!
I've seen some recommend setting sag in a standing or "attack" position vs sitting. Why do you guys recommend sitting? Does either one make much of a difference?
@@UltimateMTB I agree the weight is still the same, but depending on your position on the bike it will change whether your weight is favored more towards the front vs the rear. Your fork sag will be different standing vs sitting at the same pressure.
Dang a super wide scope of sag suggested there , sag makes a huge difference too , most seem to run between 25 to 30% . The recommendations in this video are a bit of an eye opener and shockwizz does not agree with imbalanced sag either but you cant please all the AI i guess , what have i been doing wrong my whole life?!? 27.5% both ends over in my garage plush and good for my casual rides
Thanks guy fan mecanic in the learning of the pressure sag so compressión rebound #supension #setup adjustbl for thes jumps so fast flow trails 🗣️yyaasicke. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱 guy's of. Worldwide 🤘😀 Cyclery
Thanks foe the great tips. How do you account for adjustments on the trail based on conditions, such as opening up for more downhill chunky stuff, or closing up for long climbs? Or do you not recommend making those adjustments?
Very informative video well explained and made. I heard you mentioned that you base your initial setup from what is recommended by YETI and Fox. With that I tried to search one for my 2020 Nomad V4 with Fox X2 rear shock and Fox 36 Factory Series 170mm HSC/LSC/FIT but I can't seem to find one. Can you point me to the right direction or is there anything you can recommend? I'm weighing around 70kgs. Thank you in advance.
great vid but confused about how much air you put in the fork as you said 83psi which equates on the Fox chart to a 91-95 kg rider? You look very slim - am i missing something? thanks
I was hoping for more insight on what in a set up makes a bike more playful versus grounded. Basic set up is available for every shock but the hard part is knowing which way to adjust for the ride or conditions your looking for.
When do you know when to use the bike manufacturers specs and when to use the component's? I downloaded the Rockshox spec book for my fork and rear suspension and was intending to use that for all tune ups. Is it only the rear suspension sag that should follow the bike specs? Pick up my first full suspension in about a month, 2021 Commencal Meta TR, and really enjoying getting into the technical side already.
Is 15-20% sag on a fork just a Fox thing? And when did that start? I thought that the general rule-of-thumb of 30% goes for the fork too. Is it different for a Rockshox fork?
I have a Fox fork (Rhythm 34 Float) and the instructions on Fox's website recommend a 30% sag but I tried that and it bottoms out if I do that so I have mine somewhere around 18% - 20%.
Hi guys, i have a 2019 fox 36 performance 170mm with a Fit grip damper, a friend gave me a (new) RC2 damper should i change it or leave the fork with the stock one (Fit grip), i was hoping to get the money to buy a GRIP2, thanks. Great video cheers👍
@@calebolson6500 to much tunability always makes a problem, i have a track at home and i like to play with the suspension, i don't need to block it so i think is good to have extra tune, the gift (RC2) is what makes me think
So many questions that I've never seen a video for: I hope you can address these specifics: Given: I have 2019 Santa Cruz Bronson CC with a 2019 160mm Fox Performance fork and a 2021 Fox X2 rear 150mm for reference: 1) Is it me or does the bike feel amazing on one trail....and then the next weekend, a different trail yields a completely different (and shitty) feel. I don't get it. Am I imagining this? lol 2) The Owners manual for the Performance 36 fork says I need 72-76 psi for my total weight. I use 69 psi to attain a 20% sag, BUT when I ride ....i only use 55% of my total 160mm travel....and I am an aggressive rider. If I drop it to 62 psi, I get 70% travel usage but the fork feels nasty. I removed the one token, but didn't really feel a difference. Now what? 3) If the fork PSI recommendation of 72-76 is recommended, but I use less air to attain the recommended sag , would I need to decrease/increase the number of clicks for rebound to compensate for the difference in pressure? 4) Could you give very specifics on the feeling of the ride itself and what to do when a certain ride or "feel" or "symptom" is being experienced? Specifics are key. My problem is that I might say that the bike is very chattery for example...but knowing that, I don't know which knob to turn and which direction to turn it in order to solve the problem. lol Is there a specific way to know more details on how to address this? 5) My bike originally had a different shock. Now that I have this new shock, are the recommended setting adjustments the same for the shock regardless of the bike OR are there changes to the settings to compensate based on the type of bike you ride? 6) If I have never bottomed out my suspension...ever, could I do more sag for more comfort and do 32% rear and 22% front? If so, which direction would I adjust the settings to compensate for the lesser amount of air that I am using? 7) Since the Fox Performance fork is a GRIP (and not a GRIP 2), can I still create compression on the fork even though there is no dial for the fork? Thanks a million!!
Is it possible to remove shockers on my bike, and if so, will it break my bike if i remove the shockers? And if it doesn't break the bike, how can i exactly remove the shockers?
You could have covered shocks with two cans, like the Suntrour TriAir I have that I am completely clueless what and why to set the pressure of the "2ndary can" to.
I have a 2020 factory 36 170mm. I have not liked it at any point. I have messed with all the settings and sag,spacers etc and it's just completely lifeless. It doesn't have any spring to it. There is a faint clicking noise in the fork when compressed. It's also sort of notchy in the travel. It sucks the energy out of my ride and is also harsh.
so is SAG only measured on the "external" part of the shaft? (what you can see and measure) as I understand part of the shaft is under the actual body of the shock. So as long as I measure that 30% only on that part I'm good? regardless of the make/model? thanks!
What else do you want to know about MTB suspension setup?
Nothing, I would like to see a video about servicing the fork an shock .
@@elias-di3bi That is very specific to each model, the manufacturer of your fork or shock probably has a video about that
Rear coil next please!
is it the same in the bomber z1
While setting the sag, where should the compression settings be?
Really helpful vid if people are unsure of exactly how to adjust their settings, but not necessarily how to find those settings for yourself. Would love a video of Liam doing the tests on his trail with his notepad and explaining what too much compression feels like etc
do a 'how to get my life straight' video... would help out a lot!
😂
I came for the comedy......realized there was no comedy and stayed for the wonderfully detailed tutorial... Great job Liam!
Do how to fine tune a kazzoo plz
😁
Just bought a new 2023 Yeti 160 and it's been 10 yrs since I bought a new moutain bike and let me say BOY have things changed! Thank you for the help with understanding my new suspension as it's much needed!
The new setup looks realy good
Super helpful! Can't wait to see Liam's deeper dive on suspension setups! My first dual sus trail bike is coming soon and this topic is totally high on my list of stuff I need to learn! Great vid!
Now my suspension is going to be #dialed. Thanks Liam. Sick studio setup by the way
that is hashtag #epic
I have the concept down of suspension set up but Liam broke it down the best I have seen to date. Nice job, Sir!
More of Liam's Tech Tips please!!
This is the best video i've seen so far regarding suspension set up.
Love the new setup it looks really good
Why does it feel that Jeff is going to try to get the 3rd base with us thru the new set up? #moodlighting #entlife
😂 Yep... I think it's too dark and feels the same as you do. But the gents running the camera are in love with this emo artsy style... Oh well...
Just what the doctor ordered! So well presented....I will definitely feel more confident setting up new bike 👌
Loved it... Note Pad 📝 is Key! Treat it like a suspension bible so whenever you move up or down you always know where you were coming from.. especially since trails and conditions change so frequently ✌🏼😎
Also can make notes in your phone, or even on Strava, sometimes I note my tire PSI, suspension settings, etc., in the Strava description if needed
Nice lighting! Loving the new setup!
Thanks 🍻
Man I know all about this stuff but I'm still watching!
I'll be saving this vid for spring setup. Thank you
Appreciate you guys! This helped a lot for me with the compression/rebound settings.
Definitely best video about suspension setup so far!!! Bike looks sick!!!
How it didn't appear on my updated subs video? this is just the video that i was looking for 👍
Your expertise is admirable and much appreciated.
Can You do coil next
This was the best video I’ve seen in a long time about this stuff! Thank you!!
You guys should do a basic video on servicing forks and rear shocks. They all may be a bit different but kinda the overall philosophy behind what's going on for a basic lower leg/air can service. I need to do it lol.
I've always set my fork sag standing but the readings were always inconsistent. Hearing him say set it sitting down so the readings are always the same was a penny that should have dropped for me long ago! Cheers!
Can you make a "addendum" for coil shocks like setting sag, and any other coil settings (I'm not sure if there are any others) also new setup is awesome
Liam's explanation just makes me want to upgrade my six-month old shock and forks...LOL Great job Liam! Jeff should be proud...
I’ve been needing this!
That was an outstanding video. Good information and well presented. Thanks!
Amazing to have Tom Cruise talk about mountain bikes
😂
Good video guys. I've had good success with this style of basic set up before on Lyriks. I am struggling now though. I have an Ohlins RXF 36 Evo and I just can't seem to get it where I want. The Ohlins recommended settings are crazy hard and mean I am using maybe 60% travel, even on pretty gnarly trails and feeling absolutely everything through my hands. I've got things a bit better now by reducing the pressure in the both chambers, but now I have a fork that still feels very firm and unreactive to trail chatter, whilst simultaneously using 90% of travel on almost any trail. Feeling pretty stuck!
This was helpful enough I just had to comment that it was a well explained and detailed video👌🏻
Been waiting for Liam to do a video like this! Even though my suspension isn't very high end it's still nice to know how to set your own suspension up.
new setup looks nice
Yes, I’m utterly confused. I’ll keep watching 👍🏻
This is great I just bought a 36 fox and I think this perfect timing and by a professional named liam!!
Also watch Dialed series by Fox
Looking forward to the ‘’advanced’’ one 🤙🏼
Great video, thank you! I’m a newbie so I need to learn everything! I have 2 bikes but ride my Orbea Rise M-LTD 98%. ❤️🚴♀️
Great video guys 👌
Would like to know more on mtb suspension servicing like the damper on forks
Great instructional Video Bruh... Thanks for the help !
Loved this, thanks
Great video, congrats and thanks.
Should do COIL shock set ups next.
Excellent video!
New studio who dis?
Mr. Krabs
Patrick
Super well done video. As to be expected from Worldwide Cyclery :}
This is very helpful, and so are the links in the description. Did part 2 ever come out? Couldn't find it after searching the video catalog. Wondering if I'm terrible at searching (likely) or if part 2 hasn't come out yet.
Great video, can we get this treatment on Rockshox? Lyrik and super deluxe to be specific....
That sag for rear vs front % is for more DH or enduro. For trail riding you'll want more the same front/rear.
Awesome tutorial. Thank you!
Great video!
Well done.
Sick video👍🏼😁
How do I set the sag on my old lady?
thank you.very informative vlog!!!
The same video but only with Rockshox suspensions this time please 😉
Its basically the same
EVOL DPS: impossible to disconnect shock pump without loosing lots of air, 15-25PSI...on 2 diff. pumps, one having "no leak " valve. I am starting to think shock valve is shot. Thoughts ?
Thanks for video! I love it 감사합니다 에띠 프래임 좋나요?
Top video 🤘🏻
Little question with sag adjustments/measurements has the saddle to be in the lowest position (dropperpost) when sitting down as in the video??
Or in the riding position with the dropperpost at max height?
Gr. Mischa
Great video, thanks! One thing though, I don’t mess with paper here in the soggy Pacific Northwest. Everything gets entered on my iPhone, that way the data is always with me, I don’t have to worry about multiple pad and pens and I don’t have to worry about the paper getting wet or lost. But that’s just me, the advice you have here is really terrific. Thanks!
Tips for not loosing like 50psi when you unhook the shock pump? 😅
Do you need your rebound fully open when setting up sag?
what do you set compression & rebound to when setting your sag on fork and shock?
I've seen some recommend setting sag in a standing or "attack" position vs sitting. Why do you guys recommend sitting? Does either one make much of a difference?
Not at all, no matter what position you're in you still weigh the same and are exerting the same amount of force on your bike's suspension
@@UltimateMTB I agree the weight is still the same, but depending on your position on the bike it will change whether your weight is favored more towards the front vs the rear. Your fork sag will be different standing vs sitting at the same pressure.
@@MrBig617 Yes. It definitely makes a difference. I would set sag in your riding position.
Most important is doing the same position each time, to get consistent results.
That's a nice featherweight sun hoodie you got there. How'd you get that? 😏
Dang a super wide scope of sag suggested there , sag makes a huge difference too , most seem to run between 25 to 30% . The recommendations in this video are a bit of an eye opener and shockwizz does not agree with imbalanced sag either but you cant please all the AI i guess , what have i been doing wrong my whole life?!? 27.5% both ends over in my garage plush and good for my casual rides
I needed this for my hard tail thank you
Sorry for asking, but what does fully closed mean? Is it the slowest setting or the fastest?
Thanks guy fan mecanic in the learning of the pressure sag so compressión rebound #supension #setup adjustbl for thes jumps so fast flow trails 🗣️yyaasicke. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱 guy's of. Worldwide 🤘😀 Cyclery
Thanks foe the great tips. How do you account for adjustments on the trail based on conditions, such as opening up for more downhill chunky stuff, or closing up for long climbs? Or do you not recommend making those adjustments?
Nice shirt!
Very informative video well explained and made.
I heard you mentioned that you base your initial setup from what is recommended by YETI and Fox. With that I tried to search one for my 2020 Nomad V4 with Fox X2 rear shock and Fox 36 Factory Series 170mm HSC/LSC/FIT but I can't seem to find one. Can you point me to the right direction or is there anything you can recommend? I'm weighing around 70kgs. Thank you in advance.
great vid but confused about how much air you put in the fork as you said 83psi which equates on the Fox chart to a 91-95 kg rider? You look very slim - am i missing something? thanks
Thank you for sharing the information i got my sb130lr set up mint now.
I was hoping for more insight on what in a set up makes a bike more playful versus grounded. Basic set up is available for every shock but the hard part is knowing which way to adjust for the ride or conditions your looking for.
I'm sold
Do I set sag with the clickers all the way open?
**Question** How do you remove the shock : fork pump without losing air? I seem to lose some air when unthreading the pump from the valve.
Are you suppose to open it up when setting sag?
Compression should be open yes.
When do you know when to use the bike manufacturers specs and when to use the component's? I downloaded the Rockshox spec book for my fork and rear suspension and was intending to use that for all tune ups. Is it only the rear suspension sag that should follow the bike specs? Pick up my first full suspension in about a month, 2021 Commencal Meta TR, and really enjoying getting into the technical side already.
Is 15-20% sag on a fork just a Fox thing? And when did that start?
I thought that the general rule-of-thumb of 30% goes for the fork too. Is it different for a Rockshox fork?
I have a Fox fork (Rhythm 34 Float) and the instructions on Fox's website recommend a 30% sag but I tried that and it bottoms out if I do that so I have mine somewhere around 18% - 20%.
Just a tip so you know. Those are dial calipers. Micrometers are a completely different tool. Otherwise amazing video I used this to set up my biken
Hi guys, i have a 2019 fox 36 performance 170mm with a Fit grip damper, a friend gave me a (new) RC2 damper should i change it or leave the fork with the stock one (Fit grip), i was hoping to get the money to buy a GRIP2, thanks. Great video cheers👍
Do you think that you have maxed out the tunability of the Fit Grip damper?
@@calebolson6500 to much tunability always makes a problem, i have a track at home and i like to play with the suspension, i don't need to block it so i think is good to have extra tune, the gift (RC2) is what makes me think
@@1969Escobar I guess if you want to play with it RC2 but unless you do it yourself it would cost a lot to get it changed
@@calebolson6500 No problem on that, i head RC2 runs on the harsh side, never ran one, i tried the GRIP2 and it's a nice toy to play
So many questions that I've never seen a video for: I hope you can address these specifics: Given: I have 2019 Santa Cruz Bronson CC with a 2019 160mm Fox Performance fork and a 2021 Fox X2 rear 150mm for reference:
1) Is it me or does the bike feel amazing on one trail....and then the next weekend, a different trail yields a completely different (and shitty) feel. I don't get it. Am I imagining this? lol
2) The Owners manual for the Performance 36 fork says I need 72-76 psi for my total weight. I use 69 psi to attain a 20% sag, BUT when I ride ....i only use 55% of my total 160mm travel....and I am an aggressive rider. If I drop it to 62 psi, I get 70% travel usage but the fork feels nasty. I removed the one token, but didn't really feel a difference. Now what?
3) If the fork PSI recommendation of 72-76 is recommended, but I use less air to attain the recommended sag , would I need to decrease/increase the number of clicks for rebound to compensate for the difference in pressure?
4) Could you give very specifics on the feeling of the ride itself and what to do when a certain ride or "feel" or "symptom" is being experienced? Specifics are key. My problem is that I might say that the bike is very chattery for example...but knowing that, I don't know which knob to turn and which direction to turn it in order to solve the problem. lol Is there a specific way to know more details on how to address this?
5) My bike originally had a different shock. Now that I have this new shock, are the recommended setting adjustments the same for the shock regardless of the bike OR are there changes to the settings to compensate based on the type of bike you ride?
6) If I have never bottomed out my suspension...ever, could I do more sag for more comfort and do 32% rear and 22% front? If so, which direction would I adjust the settings to compensate for the lesser amount of air that I am using?
7) Since the Fox Performance fork is a GRIP (and not a GRIP 2), can I still create compression on the fork even though there is no dial for the fork?
Thanks a million!!
Great vid! What setting was the rear shock at? I am assuming it has three settings. assend desend and rigid.
You set the setting in the fully open/ descend mode
Is it possible to remove shockers on my bike, and if so, will it break my bike if i remove the shockers? And if it doesn't break the bike, how can i exactly remove the shockers?
TRYING TO FIND MY SETUP FOR THE REAR FOX TRIAD AND MY FRONT 2010 ROCKSHOX WC BOXXERS
Thanks
9:21 what did he say?! Just kidding, awesome video just what I was looking for as a MTB newb
Thank
My bottom cap is missing from the bottom of my 2010 WC Boxxer. How do I adjust now? Do I just use an Allan key?
Do you open up the rebound for sag measurement?
You could have covered shocks with two cans, like the Suntrour TriAir I have that I am completely clueless what and why to set the pressure of the "2ndary can" to.
I have a 2020 factory 36 170mm. I have not liked it at any point. I have messed with all the settings and sag,spacers etc and it's just completely lifeless. It doesn't have any spring to it. There is a faint clicking noise in the fork when compressed. It's also sort of notchy in the travel. It sucks the energy out of my ride and is also harsh.
am i able to use my WP shock pump for my dirt bike on my mountain bike?
so is SAG only measured on the "external" part of the shaft? (what you can see and measure) as I understand part of the shaft is under the actual body of the shock. So as long as I measure that 30% only on that part I'm good? regardless of the make/model? thanks!
When checking sag, is the shock open, closed or in the middle?
Open, always open.
Yep. Open 👌🏼