Yeah, it started off like Hellblazer with the Dukes of Hazzard in the place of John Constantine. By season 6, it was becoming a soap opera. I checked out in the beginning of season 7.
Supernatural seasons 1-5 were gold. Top tier television. It was scary , heartfelt, fun , dark and epic. It embraced this “ southern gothic “ style with its atmosphere and cinematography. After that … Oof 😥. Season 8 was a welcome return. But that’s really all I can give credit for after season 5. Season 6 was messy and totally ruins the end of 5 but is watchable . Season 7 is goofy and over the top but it is fun and doesn’t deserve the hate.
I just got to season 5 and it’s already starting to lose me. I think the made the scope too big. I definitely enjoyed it a lot more when they were exploring a lot of different lore and stories, I didn’t mind when they initially started battling the demons but it just feels like a completely different show
@@Sognafarmost endings in supernatural are dumb and bad. They write some cool shit but don't know how to finish it. That's what a bad writer does, everyone can write cool shit, but not everyone can make sense and w good ending out of it.
@@DieEineMieze pretty fair assessment. The show is one of my faves just because of the shit it touches, but holy christ a huhe chunk of the show is terrible acting, great build up for the most dissapointing outcomes, and too many plotholes to get into.
Lack of consequences is probably one of the two reasons I stopped watching Supernatural. I started watching it when it was a dark fantasy show that could actually scare you a bit and it was my favourite show and the show I grew up with, but watching it now is just painful. There's no point worrying about characters, even less important ones. But the second reason and the one which eventually prompted me to stop watching was the show creating bigger and badder evils after season 5. I mean, the biblical apocalypse was supposed to the the ultimate scariest moment of the show, no? But then they created leviathans out of nowhere, then there was God's sister, which was so ridiculous I just gave up. Bloody Mary in season 1 was scarier than all of the antagonists after season 5. And the show also leaned into comedy too much. Angels and demons were scary once. Now every child with a fork can kill them. Lucifer (especially Jared's version) was genuinely creepy. They turned him into a whiny child. I will watch the ending on UA-cam, but I consider Swan Song the only one true Supernatural ending. Everything else is just making money for the sake of making money.
Swan song was amazing , what I felt was they introduced more interesting charecters after season 5 but disregarded the charecters they already had and the plot lines lost the touch when they kept dying every season
Great point. Early 5 seasons of Supernatural were filled with dread and hopelessness. You always felt like there's no happy ending, that these guys are facing against something way bigger than them. It really gave the show a unique edge that kept it great. After defeating Devil, I just couldn't care less anymore and worse writing was even more apparent.
Am I the only one whose upset that DEATH a creature that has been around for TRILLIONS and who is infinitely powerful is just killed by being tricked. REALLY
Not to mention Lucifer is a goof ball, God is scared of his sister, God actually has a sister, God is bratty, God the creator of everything everywhere is beatable. Crowley was a way better character than Lucifer. The creator of this UA-cam channel is absolutely correct.
season 15 so far is just like some poorly- written fan fiction. It makes me sad cuz it’s the last season and the writers are wasting time for fan-service filler episodes.
@@Pedro-ux2de agreed! The show doesn’t even bother to follow the original lore set up in seasons 1-5. My biggest gripe by far was Cain. That entire sub plot irked me because not once was it mentioned that Dean was his descendent despite it being the very reason why he and Sam were the main vessels for Michael and Lucifer in the first place. Ugh.
I like season 2 -8 because this writer named Ben edlund, he is very good at writing slick and smart cool dialogues, then he quit and started writing scripts for Gotham season one
As the show went on, every single character who was once terrifying has gone on to be a drinking buddy/friend of the boys. When Cas first showed up he burned Pam's eyes out!
@@jebus42069I am VERY familiar with all episodes of SN. Cass warned her NOT to look but she decided to anyway. Cass did not intentionally burn her eyes out. Her decision, her consequence...so yeah, it does contradict original comment. I suppose if you play the victim it would be Cass fault but if you take responsibilities for your actions then it would be Pam's fault. You could also say it was Sam and Deans fault for involving her or Bobby's fault for introducing the boys to Pam....etc, etc. Where each of us draw the line of blame can get out of hand so it just depends on your perspective of being a victim or taking responsibility.
My main gripes with the show is that 1) they kill characters off and bring them back over and over which takes away any impact of death 2) the show stuck with christianity and biblical threats instead of moving on from that in season 6 3) i feel like a show mainly about two brother shouldn't go on for 15 seasons especially if they don't increase the main cast
really? xD if anything, seasons 14 and 15 have fixed Castiel for me. He was unbearable since they used him as whatever the plot needed from seasons 7 through 13.
When they brought JACK into the season, my first thought was “wait... did they just forget about Jesse Turner? The first nephilim who appeared in season 5”
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Is that not a nephilim either? Sorry, IDK what the specifics of it was. I just thought whatever half demon or half angel with half human were somewhat the same to use the term nephilim.
@@TamaraKiska23 demons were humans that went to hell and eventually went truly dark. Angels were shown to be heavenly helpers/workers for God, they were not human at all. A nephilim is the combination of an angel and human.
I’m absolutely disappointed with the ending with the show. I can’t even look back now at previous seasons because of that ending. 15x20 was really a disappointment. I like to believe the true ending of the show was season 5. The show should have ended at 5x22.
Same! Everything after thar sucked. Aka Angel's becoming weak, God becoming evil, the unrealistic plot lines that is NOT what happened or what it was actually like at all.
You covered a lot of topics what some of the fans, even the most diehard of diehard fans, have been thinking quietly to themselves for a long time. Well done.
@@sciencesociety2919hey made a pointless Trump joke when they brought back the apocalyptic survivors. During the time when the we should all hate Trump was at an all time high. Yet we never got any Obama jokes.
@@KarltheBarlonce again, that kinda proves the other person’s point, cuz they never once made a direct joke or comment about Obama's two terms in office. I mean, I don't like Trump either, but fair is fair. If you make a joke about one, make a joke about the other too.
I stopped watching at the end of season 14 and honestly I became so tired out of the show. I think this show was strongest in the first 3 seasons when it was still grounded and focused on the two brothers hunting more “urban legend” type monsters. I think once the angels and demons stuff began in season 4 it raised the stakes which led to a snowball effect in future seasons where the writers had to continuously introduce bigger and bigger threats into the show, leading to more and more contradictions to previously established lore.
And the bigger and badder boss thing is so stupid, since it would mean that the bosses would be faster, stronger than anything, yet they always manage to kill them with a gun or something 🤣
Yeah for me the 3 first seasons was the Canon show that should have ended with the episode in 4 where Castiel gets Dean out of Hell, and I still love those seasons.
@@ALEXBIGBLUE Dean selling his soul for Sam and Castiel raising Dean from Hell should've been iconic moments, but the show ruined that after having Sam and Dean dying and resurrecting repeatedly. They made coming back from the dead look easy and it just ruined the legitimately memorable resurrections.
I didn't like how killing monsters became so easy. Starting in Season 5, you just stab any demon to death with a knife, which made the Winchesters stronger than demons. You'd think demons would be smart and skilled enough to adapt to combating that knife. And if Ruby made that knife, you'd also think other demons would've invented their own cutting edge weapons.
Season 5 was my favorite, especially the horsemen episodes. Reminds me, in Good God, Y’all (S5, ep 2) seconds before they ruthlessly hacked off Roger’s fingers, he said “you can’t kill War kiddos” which makes sense since the horsemen are concepts not beings. But under “season 15 logic” God could remove any of those concepts from the Earth including Death. Or can he?
Well, presumably, if he removed all life from the universe, he would necessarily remove all death from the universe. Further, the rest of the Horsemen are sort of “secondary” concepts. Death is a necessary implication of mortal life, whereas war, famine, and plague are not necessary implications of mortal life, at least not in the same way.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092yeah, in a way, war, famine, and plague are the offspring of death because they can cause death, but ultimately death is inevitable in all aspects of life, regardless of what the cause is.
That's precisely my I love the way the series ended actually. Obviously the show was in a decline, it NEEDED to end. They ended it the way everything was realistically bound to end: dying on a hunt.
I thought Chuck/God in season 11 was an interesting character. He was an a$$h@le but still had some morals and was mostly on the side of good. Making him a villain in seasons 14 and 15 was a terrible decision. Jack was sadly a failure of a character, I thought the actor was good but the writers had no idea what to do with him. Having him become the new god was dumb.
I just binge watched all the seasons after not watching it since season 6 and I really agree with your points. My main issue through the show was the lack of character development especially with Sam and Dean. Whenever they did experience some it would disappear a few episodes later. I even found myself disliking Dean in later seasons because of the inconsistencies with his character. Most of the time he was dismissive of other people and super angry but then for random one off "funny" episodes his personality would take a 360 where he would be cracking jokes, smiling lots etc. I found this really made it hard for myself to fully me immersed into what they were feeling through the show because they were no consistency. There's also the fact that they ruined some great characters (like crowley and cas) because they didn't know what to do with them so they gave them the most random or awful storylines.
So glad someone said this. I also hated what they did to crowley and cas. Wasted potential. They really became the Winchester's pets with a fraction of the power they once had. I really hated Dean in season 15. He was angry for losing Mary, a mom, which let's be honest, he shouldn't be able to remember. I dont remember what I did at 6 years old. She's not even with them half the time or spent time bonding 🤷♀️ idk too many cooks spoiled the broth. There were too many writers for any consistency.
20:08 the only reason Crowley died for good is because the actor got tired of the same shit and how his character was treated, so he left the show, btw.
What we were promised in a fight between Lucifer and Michael=" A hellacious , Earth shattering, knock down, drag out , spectacular battle, that would lay waste to most of the planet!!!" What we got when they finally fought=" A boring , poorly done, spat that somewhat damages part of one church."
Cas bringing Dean back, as part of the original story, had weight and consequences. It broke him, it made him finally think more about a life outside of hunting. Something he never thought of himself since he was busy being his father’s dutiful soldier. I don’t agree with the other seasons being better but to each their own.
I watched the show since way back in 2005 & it should have ended with Season 5. One of the most perfect finales in TV history. God it went downhill fast after that. Don't get me wrong it had a few decent Seasons after Kripke's tenure ended with the show. But it NEVER reached the levels of the first 5 Seasons. That could be because there were ZERO stakes in later Seasons. EVERY cast member, including recurring cast members had died & came back at one point before the show limped to the finish line. *Jumping The Shark* is a thing, in Supernatural's case they jumped the shark went back & shot it then f*cked its corpse
My wife and I were rewatching it recently. We got to season 8 and were like, "Why are we even still watching. It ends at season 5 for us. Characters stop making sense and hypocritical.
I absolutely loved and ADORED Supernatural. At one time, it was my favorite show. I really enjoyed the first 6 seasons. At the time, I was not a huge fan of S7, but look back on it w/more fondness than before though the Leviathan were not good enemies. For me, the Carver seasons 8-10 (I guess . . I quit the show sometime in S10) drove away all my love for the show. I hated the contrived, forced conflict btw the brothers. I hated that Carver made the stupid decision of not letting Sam look for Dean after S7, made up a rule btw them for that exact situation, but then endlessly had characters punishing and berating Sam for keeping their promise! It was complete and utter nonsense. Bad Boys in S9 was retconned trash! Dean was in that group home, wanting a normal life but then a few years later, he's upset w/Sam for wanting the same and not understanding why Sam wanted that!?!!? That made no sense and turned Dean into a massive hypocrite. Don't even get me started on how this most recent young Winchester episode further messed up the boys' history. Plus, every Carver season had some inexplicable, contrived drama btw the boys! It was beyond annoying. At the time, I remember thinking, they were each way too old to be hanging together if they couldn't stand each other! Just go your separate ways already! I didn't finish S10 and skipped all of S11. I heard Mary was brought back so I tuned in for S12. I came to HATE Mary. The BMOL were awful. And the rest of the seasons have been pretty much a blur. I have not been playing close attention. I often miss episodes and don't bother to try to re-watch them. So, I think the show started to decline in S8. Sera Gamble's seasons (6 and 7) were a good continuation of the story, but things began to decline in S8 and it's been a steady decline since, IMO.
Sera Gambles Era was super underrated. It was able to establish additions to the lore without compromising the consistency of its presentation in the earlier seasons or retconning. Not to mention Demons and Angels still acted like Demons and Angel's instead of corporate lackeys. Crowley was also at his peak Some of the character storylines (Cas's decent into villainy, Bobby's Death) were also much more engaging for me then what followed.
Agree quite a lot with you, for me, though, the greatest tragedy of this show is what they did to angels and demons, and how they nerfed them and made them into jokes. Before, angels and demons were scary and intimidating, especially angels, they were fearsome and nobody wanted to mess with them, whenever a single angel stood in a room with various other characters, the entire room had to keep on gaurd and hope they don't piss off the angel, now, the angels fight like idiots, they always turn their backs on their enemies for some reason, everyone can kill them, they started giving them a bunch of stupid weaknesses, teenagers can kick their asses etc, it just started to lose its way.
For me, seasons 1 through 6 were peak Supernatural, with seasons 1 through 5 being pure greatness, season 6 was great, but it wasn't exactly on the same level as the previous 5 seasons, season 7 was quite bad on Cable TV, but I forced myself through it, season 8 was good, season 9, however? Made me quit, I gave up on Supernatural for years after that, and didn't watch any other season until a few episodes into season 13, I remember season 13 starting off really strong, actually, but midway through, it devolved right back to standard post-season 6 goofy Supernatural nonsense, season 14 was alright, I guess, didn't care too much for Dean+Micheal, but we got it, and well, saw a few episodes of season 15 only because it was gonna be its last season, but couldn't finish it.
@@alltheworldsastage4785 My sister says that too! I agree w/you both. They ruined angels and demons but esp the angels! They were so powerful when they were first introduced but then became massive jokes! It was so bad.
They really didn't need to make God the evil demiurge they made him into. God could've stayed in the back ground and been hands off and "good but mysterious ways" and Jack could've been a sort of savior figure that God allows to be born in order to try and redeem Lucifer and show why choice is important, why he doesn't interfere with free will, but nooooo, can't explore a benevolent yet mysterious God....
End of s5 with sam going to the cage and dean living on. was the perfect ending and after that it started going downhill. the ending of s15 sucks. Not to mention I'm christian and I hate the way they wrote how Angel's are dicks and weak and God is evil and demons can easily best Angel's and cas is weak now. I think the best and most awesome plotlines were in s4 through 5 with the apocalypse and horseman were realistic and cool. Angel's were badass and powerful and realistic at that point and everything was how it should have been
I agree with you about the show should of ended in S5. But i like the idea that angels aren’t all perfect. Supernatural is not there to be faithful to a religion. The whole idea is to twist the idea on different beliefs.
It at least made sense in the earlier seasons beacuse they weren't objectively evil, and more so were a complex and nuanced faction with their own understandable goals. However I can agree with you in the middle and later seasons, as they're mostly just in as a source of drama and conflict. Plus adding god as an on screen character was an idiotic choice as his absence from the story was one of the most important parts of the plot itself.
@@kara_keegan_2242yeah, well even in he Bible angels aren't perfect. After all, 1/3 of them fell from heaven alongside Lucifer and became demons so it's not like they got the whole Angels are dicks thing wrong because some of them are. Btw I am a Christian too and I was emotionally checked out after they made god a villain too. Bare MAXIMUM (not minimum becuz we never go past this point), God should be an antihero/morally grey entity that still mostly aligns with the side of good. I only finished the show because I hate leaving things unfinished and season 15 had some good moments, but not enough to save it.
All the problems you mention are due to the fact they made it up as they went along... not a fixed ending like the wire or breaking bad where the story was pushed to a conclusion. Supernatural was milked for every penny and at some point not even all these filler episodes where they chased the beast of the week, was enough to cover up the fact that there was nothing left to be told anymore. Less truly is more ... I mean I remember when they introduced Castiel , he was a badd ass ( " I'm an angel of the lord") ... later he just got bitch slapped throughout every episode. Cool characters like Cain were barely used and dismissed/killed off very quick ...instead of weaving him into a larger plotline that actually makes sense ... heck even regular demons were formidable foes at one point. And don't get me started about these repetitive roundabout dialogues between sam and dean... luckily on these streaming platforms you can just skip that empty emo babble
I only ever watched the first few seasons which was all the way back in Middle School for me, I liked the monster hunting theme. Looks like it stopped being that for a long time.
some major issues i had with this show is the way they killed off dean so many fucking times it lost its emotional impact, the way they made deans character turn on cas in the last season, the fact that god was portrayed as a villian cause he would be so much better as a gray character, lucifer who was absolutely the most annoying character for me i literally could not stand him, and rowenas character being wasted
Season 9 was the one that made me think it was dying. I started watching during season 2 and was AVID. Still am on the older stuff lol. Season 9 made me quit watching the show all together because of they pretty much destroyed their characterizations, personal developments, mental ability, and previously established lore. Dean was a lying sloot, sam was an oblivious goodie, and cas was dumb and oooo sooooo funny now! Mainly because the best writers on the show got pushed out. I mean I could get passed the minor fuck ups (Dean as a kid and talking about creatures he hadn't know existed until he was an adult lol), but season 9 felt like a completely different cast of characters, unlikable ones at that. Not to mention that the show introduces actual good characters and then kills them ASAP for the lowest hanging fruit of emotional abuse. Bringing Mary back was dumb but thank God Mr. "I abuse my kids but it's for a good cause and I'm a great dad, I promise!" John didn't come back. I just want all 3 of the boys to have a good ending. ALL 3 OF THEM. I honestly feel like Cas is going to perma death, cause you know, the big sad. I've literally analysed this show too much
Ikr, I stop watching the show after season 9 also because my favorite writer named Ben edlund, he the one that writes the cool smart slick dialogues from season 2 to 8, then he quit and start writing scripts for Gotham season one
First of all, your music choices for this video were excellent, 10/10. 😂👌 Second of all, I love your analysis and your “this is a stupid show but I love it??” is very relatable. And third of all, PLEASE MAKE MORE SUPERNATURAL ANALYSIS VIDEOS! But I mean, only if you want to. 🥺
I watched this television show when it first premiered on television in 2005, I was so invested and in love with this show until the angels/demons stuff was introduced. The show lost everything it used to have, it was actually scary, funny, heaps of drama and risk for the characters. I stopped watching after season 6 and for me the show ended at season 5. Eric Kripke never intended it to go any further and it’s sad to see how shocking of a show it became. Not any different to any other show that outstayed its welcome, the walking dead, orange is the new black, game of thrones the list goes on. Breaking bad was the perfect show due to the creators and everyone involved accepting that the show was ready to finish and it’s critically acclaimed for what we as viewers have been left with. RIP, supernatural you were my favourite.
what was really weird to me is that why would Dean be vessel for Michael when he was clearly Cain and Sam was Abel, it should be Dean as Lucifer and Sam as Michael...
It was the whole older brother vs. younger brother dynamic that they were toying with. In both of those instances, you have Dean as the older brother being force to kill his younger brother.
@@SheevTalks Just saw it! I was really surprised at how kind you were to the finale. I pretty much agree with all of your criticism and none of the praise, but I guess I'm happy for you that you at least got something good out of it. Good video, even if I don't fully agree. I'll definitely check out more of your channel, I really like your style, voice and presentation.
I started losing interest with the introduction of leviathans, just felt it was losing its touch. Their disrespect to angels, specially Cass, was really started to bug me. I personally believe Supernatural should have stopped after season 5.
totally agree that the show should’ve ended after season 11. 12-15, besides some of 13, has been an absolute train wreck. the stories aren’t necessarily horrible, but the writers clearly don’t care anymore
Yup. Stopped watching after Season 11. When they introduced that brain-dead Dean/Amara deal, I lost interest completely. Only tuned in for the finale but that was also disappointing.
The story becomes weirder in Supernatural. Season 1 - 7 are great, but after that the stories of their enemies are so weird and predictable. They fought angels, they the beat Lucifer, and Metatron. Then they create God Sister as the next enemy, Then Michael, then God, If God has a father, he would have been their next foe!!! The Winchesters are unbeatable even against God! WtF??
I liked every single season except for the men of letters Arc, it was just so stupid, and I also disliked the finale of Season 15, like God is supposed to be above all things, so I thought it was stupid for him to just give the Winchesters a slap on the rist and gets beaten by a very unexperienced Nephilim, I just thought season 15 final was just so stupid, like if you could see the future, wouldn't you be able to see if you ever get beaten by someone and then come to prevent it? I know he was prideful at the end, but being God, evil or not, you'd still win, so I don't agree with the season 15 finale.
They did Chuck dirty all for Jack, one of the worst characters in the show. bad actor, bad writing. Justice for Chuck. And don't get me started on Mary, OMG she was so dam annoying. They should have ended on Season 5, that was the golden era of Supernatural. The final couple seasons were absolutely terrible, the retconning was in your face, my eyes are still rolling years later.
For me the show died somewhere late season 9. Just something after that it just didn't even feel like the same show. Not to mention they assassinated Dean's character, forgot about Sam and well, cas stopped being useful a long time ago. Doesn't change the earlier seasons from being amazing though.
Been watching supernatural every week since season 6. I noticed it was slowly losing quality. But only after the last episode, when I decided to rewatch the entire show, I noticed when it went truly downhill. Seasons 1 - 5: That's the golden age. SHould've ended here. Seasons 6 - 11: It's definitely worse them the first 5, but only after rewatching it after season 15, I was able to notice how GOOD it was compared to the last seasons (except the ending to season 11). I'm serious, rewatch season 11 and then go to season 12. You will immediately notice how different the script and pacing are. It went from ok to dumb. Season 12 - 15: Season 12 introduces Andrew Dabb as showrunner, and this guy SUCKS. Also, Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner, who always wrote some bad episodes, became executive producers in season 12. I came to appreciate seasons 8 - 11 after rewatching everything and being able to immediately compare the seasons. It's just sad what they did
I totally hate Billie I miss the old death these last few seasons of supernatural have been totally fan service retconned certain events that happened in the first few seasons characters that they should have brought back but didn't just a waste the last season finale of supernatural was season 10
Such a good video essay even though (and maybe especially) since it was made before the finale. They really dug themselves into so many holes with the lack of consequences and lowering the stakes on a lot of big lore/worldbuilding aspects. Like you said: God killing Jack could be undone, God killing Billie only meant another Reaper would be made Death, etc. "Really cool concept that opens up a lot of questions" is the best summary of it. I also totally agree Season 11 would've been a great ending point. While there's a lot about S11 I don't like, I LOVE the ending of it. "Don't Call Me Shurley" is one of my favorite episodes and was such a good way to introduce/reintroduce God into the story. And the fact that it ended with God & Amara talking and making amends and not just killing the big bad...that was HUGE. Every season seems so focused on killing or shooting the problem, but it would have been so much more satisfying (and creative) for it to it ending peacefully and with no bloodshed. That's hard to do right and they would've been able to pull it off. Dean's goodbyes before going to his almost-death in the S11 finale was so much more emotional than his actual goodbye in the series finale.
Yeah I didn’t like the whole killing God concept and making a new one, making God…”Evil” in general. That was weird and overall…kind of disrespectful to the religion.
One of the worst things was first, tricking death. An unimaginable old being. It doesn't even get tricked, it's just he get attacked with his own scythe and dies. So death isn't one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful being in the universe, but his old scythe is? It's like saying God is only strong because he has some magical item and if you take it, you could become god or while he still is god, you could kill him with this item. Thats the dumbest thing in the whole series. These incompetent dumb ass writers should have been sentences to life for that.
Death should’ve used that as his excuse to leave, not only had the brothers insane problems but he’s personally had to clean up their stupidity. Hell he even made a comment about leaving before the Leviathans were released. Have him “die” but show up in the last episode to do what he said he’d do: reap God.
@@thomasraines1396Death has lost it's meaning anyways in this show. How often did the brothers die and came back? Or just some random character brought back to life when the writes were out of ideas. Death is one, if not the most sacred consequences. Everyone can understand Death and what it means. If you let your characters make mistakes over mistakes, then die and always find a way to come back, you have made your story boring, full of plot armor and lacking of dire consequences. You always knew the brother would come back one way or another. And the end with fighting against God and winning is so absurd, I don't feel like writing and essay about that.
A bit late with this comment since this came out nearly 2 years ago but I've recently gotten back into supernatural and I have some things to say after it's ending. Firstly, I agree with every point made in this video especially regarding the consequences. Despite it's constant use I never found it unbearable, probably because I actually enjoyed/didn't mind seasons 4 -11, however seasons 12-15 took it to an extreme to a point in which by the finale season I was just annoyed. "Oh no Jack lost his grace!" He got it back. "Jack's dead?!" He's alive again. "Dean's possessed by Michael?!" Everything is fine and we're barely into the season. It got exhausting and I could barely take it seriously anymore. Season 15 as a whole felt like an entire Fuck You to everyone who actually gave a shit about the show and did take it seriously. I don't like season 12 but Crowley's death hurt like a bitch because of the fact he didn't come back, Castiel's death hurt a lot too but bringing him back so early felt a bit off to me, or the fact they brought him back at all. Don't get me wrong, I would've hated to see him gone but it would have actually had an impact on the audience and especially characters like Dean and Sam. Expanding on this, I actually didn't mind season 13 as a whole, we got Cas back, I enjoyed how innocent and Cas-like Jack was and the first few episodes where we watched Dean grieve hit like a ton bricks. Saying this, the reunion between the brothers and Castiel was very underwhelming to me especially since Dean had been an absolute wreck partially because of his death. But from then on, every reunion or emotional moment seemed stagnant to me and so far from the heartbreaking performances we used to get not even a few seasons prior. Cas returns to the bunker with the brothers, meets his child who he hasn't even seen before because he was dead, hugs him and then they go on a normal hunting trip. OK??? Lastly, I just wanna talk about Castiel and the shows constant disrespect towards him as a character (something I would have loved to hear your take on however this did come out before the ending so who cares) I only started watching supernatural in December of 2015, I vividly remember binging it all through new years with my family and it became a thing for me and my dad to watch. However, the reason I started watching it was because of Castiel specifically thanks to my friend talking about him a lot and me going on to watch clips of him on UA-cam. Obviously he ended up being my favorite (which remains true to this day.) So you can understand my disappointment of the way the show treated him towards it's ending. Yes I'm talking about 15x18. To say the confession scene surprised people is an understatement, I had stopped watching the show mid season 15 because of how unwatchable it got but as soon as I heard about THAT scene I had to watch it. And it was bad. Don't get me wrong, Misha's performance was great and you can tell now that he was putting everything into this finale goodbye to Dean and to the audience, but the implications of it and the episodes after it were downright disrespectful. What I mean by implications is that, whether you're a destiel shipper or not, to have a 'male' character confess their love to another male character and then have him immediately die is comical, not only this but I couldn't help but feel the writers did this in order to try and finally silence fans who they've been making fun of behind the scenes for years, so they could have their cake and eat it too. Honestly, despite how hilarious the situation was (and still is to me) I wouldn't have cared...I would have been ok with it despite everything as long as they acknowledged it in the next episode and we got to see the characters deal with the loss of somebody close to them. EXCEPT THAT BARELY HAPPENED There's barely any mention of Cas, barely any reaction from his close family and I guess you could say it's because they were still dealing with God and everyone disappearing, but after that's sorted he is still barely mentioned!! Deans reaction to Castiels death in the season 12 finale is leagues above season 15, and this time Cas doesn't even come back!!! This might just sound like an angry destiel shipper getting pissed off I didn't get the end I specifically wanted but that's just not true, I just wanted Castiel to finally be treated with respect by the writers after constantly being dealt a bad hand, hell they didn't even give cas/misha a public send off after his death just to keep fans waiting to see if he would return in the last episodes. I'm not even gonna go into the abysmal finale, probably because I haven't seen all of it but I just wanna briefly mention how utter garbage I think Sam and Dean's endings were. This could just be a nitpick but having a characters true ending, a character who has been hinted as suicidal more than once, be dying on a rusty nail baffles me. Not only that but Dean died the exact same way he would have if the events of the series had never happened, on a hunt. Sam died of old age after living a normal life, the same way he would off if he had never left college to go look for his dad with Dean. It's as thought all those years of character development were for nothing. I'm far from the only one who hates their endings, even Jensen has made it clear he doesn't like it but I still find it incredibly sad even a year later. Anyway that's my rant over. All in all I still look at this show fondly but also with vague distaste after it's heartless finale
I've always thought that it started to decline at around season 6 or 7, and that while the majority of writing from season 7 until now is unenjoyable for me it still has aspects I really like. Mostly it's just a few characters I actually like, and a few good moments with them.
I'm surprised that so few reviewers ever talk about what happened to the Sam and Dean's character towards the end of the show, which is what made the last few seasons a chore for me to watch. Contrivances and nonsense can be fine if the rest is entertaining, but with these characters? Sam leading an army of hunters as some sort of background event? Dean and his strange vendetta against a newborn child? Hell, if his whole fallout with Castiel was to make any sense, it should have been about him pulling a gun and intending to murder Jack, but both Cas and Sam seem to turn a blind eye to all of that for some reason? Cas flipflopping between acting like some sort of father figure to Jack and complaining when he has to "babysit". And don't get me started on the brothers manipulating people to get what they want and murdering vamps and werewolves indiscriminately these days. Nonsense is par for the course in Supernatural, but not liking the characters I used to love is what tips the scales for me.
I agree, stopping at season 5 would’ve made this series amazing! I started watching when season 2 was on tv and I unfortunately had to watch the quality decrease since season 6 on.
I just realized how many times a deus ex machina was used for plotting. Deus ex machina are cheap ways of getting a character out of an unsolvable plotline. Of course, Dean had plot armor as well.
Dean was always supposed to come back from hell that was the first seal and kicked off the plot for both s4 and s5 it is a giant plot point that was planned in advance. But that's the only one that doesn't fit into the no consequences argument 😁
My theory is that Chuck realized he could warp reality by just writing the story and just wrote himself to be God just to see if it would work. Like "Chuck Shurley becomes a Omnipotent God but still keeps his Mind and Personality" and that's why God can have a sister and why it started turning fan fictiony at the end he ran out of ideas and began skimming off the Forums. I imagine Jack becoming God was just so that the Winchesters would stop bothering him
I started Supernatural around season 6. As I made it around the last season, season 12 turned me away. But being a final season, I just accepted it and moved on so I could cry during the finale
Oh yeah there is one thing I genuinely think they should have done which is, end it at season 11 but have the whole final fight at episode 11 and have chuck show his true colours after the death of his sister, they wouldn't have just had jack there to basically insta kill the biggest supposed biggest threat of the show, They could have even used the fact that there was still lingering hatred that lucifer had for god and had him help them I just generally think it would have been a better ending but yeah.
Finally got through to Season 10 and every season since 5 has jut felt like a chore to get through. I think the show just never settled on what it should be - personally I find the angel stuff so so boring and groan every time they come on the screen. The writers have no idea what to do with Castiel who just appears and disappears and changes personality on a whim. The show for me was much better when they actually hunted monsters and not with the angel stuff.
Sam and Dean have probably killed more innocent people than the monsters they hunt (all the demons they killed with the demon blade also killing the innocent person the demon possessed) What I love the most is how they introduce these cosmic beings in Archangles and instead of having great magical power fights its like Michael vs Lucifer comes down to a knife fight.
Well that's assuming that the wear an tear the demon put their vessel through didn't already kill the person they were possessing. Remember what happened to Meg 1.0? As for the lack of epic battles, it was a CW show with next to no budget, it’s not like they shit gold.
Seasons 1 through 5 are still top quality despite it's issues and are why I'm still fine with having the dorkiest supernatural anti possession tattoo on me, since I'll always love those seasons. Season 6 was rough, I was barley engaged but pushed through hoping it was just a mid season due to having to follow such a strong act. But 3 episodes into season 7 and I gave up and never picked it back up. So it's interesting to hear it from the point of view from a fan who stuck with it to the end.
I stopped watching in season 7,things were so convoluted at that point that i simply didn't cared anymore. Season 1-5 is the quintessential and definitive Supernatural,what came after doesn't exist to me.
a feature length film Director ( not to toot the ol’ horn, but) Here’s what I would do to fix all this… Take things back to the basics and work with the strengths of the show. I would make a feature length film that took place after the events of Season 5 as an epilogue. Seasons 1-5 have a specific time that defined the show. It was scary, it was dark , it was heartwarming and it had STEAKS. There would be no “ End of the world or grand scale scenario”… You can’t outdo the final steaks of season 5, so you tell a personal story. The movie would address a 20 year time gap of Dean living his life with his new family and legitimately being happy, but is repressing his inner darkness regarding Sam’s fate in Hell, meanwhile Sam being trapped in the spirit realm on earth with other nasty ghosts. He was pulled from Hell due to his heroic sacrifice. Both Sam and Dean can’t move on u til they accept their Fates.
Honestly they should've never introduced archangels and God and entities of such sort unless they had a Marvel budget or something like that. Such entities are supposed to be light-speed, have the power to lift planets with their hands, be durable to everything and so on, unless they had Marvel budget to create those super-powers into scenes it shouldn't have been introduced in Supernatural. The idea of an Archangel being as fast as human is a joke, they should've had like 6-7 seasons max and the bosses of each season or of the final ones should've been some creators of evil like Azazel was. For example if they didn't introduce Misha and all this angel and demon bullshit the finale of the show at season 5 could've been some final boss that creates all the monsters that were on earth at that point and defeating him would've meant no more ghosts, no more wendigoos, werewolf's and so on, the ending could've been the same (Dean dying like a warrior and Sam living a happy life) but it would've been more realistic, but no, instead they made an Archangel have the speed of a human, what a joke.
Real. From season 4 they already took a really hard path of introducing angels. They should have never introduced demons inthe first place so that this wouldn't happen. That's why most of the fights are bad and stuff. Should have just made it monsters and stuff. Like if you introduced angels obviously next is god. Where are you even supposed to go from that. Although i still take it for what it is.
As someone who has binged the first five seasons in two months, I’m VERY apprehensive about continuing, as I adored the first five seasons. It made me fall in love with watching TV again and it’s a show that is right up my street as I’m a big horror fan. But I don’t know if I want to continue or not as I’m worried it’ll kill my love for the show.
@@katiebird6929 Yeah good luck haha. There's good and bad in all of them but you'll definitely start to notice them running out of ideas as it goes on. Have fun with the watch tho!
I literally commented about this 9 days ago, but I'm changing my mind, I just binge watched through all 3 end seasons of the show 13-15, and honestly wow. What a difference it has made, going back and watching the show a year or so after seeing the ending, first time around I hated it, worst ending to an even worse show in the end, it had become what I thought at the time a joke, something to laugh at and to become mind numbingly bored and frustrated with, but after going back and rewatching it with fresh eyes, the ending was honestly really good, the last three seasons had pretty much nothing wrong with them beyond minor annoyances, the detective work wasn't as lack luster as I thought in the end, they still showed the gore and overall it had the same DNA the show had back when it started, it didn't stagnate our ability to watch and enjoy it did, years of obsessing with the show for myself had ruined it, so it wouldn't matter what ending it had because I wouldn't enjoy it after binging it non stop for so long, in the end the show didn't get the fan appeal it deserved, I think it ended on a nice high note, they got everything they wanted, no more demons or monsters to fight, no more big bad, just Sam Dean, their mum and dad and Bobby and all of their other friends in heaven together for eternity, an eternal rest that they deserve after what, 8 in universe years of non stop battling and fighting and scraping by, this show was amazing, and the ending wasn't that bad at all, we all just got tired of the slight annoyances that built up season to season and cumulated into one big annoyance with the show.
I still love Supernatural.i didn’t love the British Men of Letters or they arc after Jack killed Mary. Also, don’t you mention Stargirl as CW bad, because it is very good and does not feel like a CW show. It gets dark man. Way better than any other show on the CW imo
@Prometheus_V99 I don't think so. I choose not to be critical when I watch something. It's my escape from the world. While there may be some things I don't enjoy or think are lame, it doesn't usually take away from my enjoyment of the show.
My other problem is the contradiction between the four appearances of God. I simply cannot see Chuck in Seasons 4, 5, 10 and 11 doing anything like he did in 14 and 15. It's like the real God disappeared with Amara at the end of season 11 and a false one showed up in his place. Though heaven before Jack fixed it was total crap and that was Chuck's design but still....it might have been a better story if the Chuck of seasons 14 and 15 HAD been an imposter....somehow I think they had too many different writers on this series and thus no real continuity
to be honest, i totally love season 8. Season 6,7,9, beginning of 10 were okay, but now i am in the middle of season ten and something begins to lack here. I'm personally happy about god having a sister, because finally a supernatural character with an uterus that isn't just Sam's dead girlfriend, but season 15 really is just an abomination (and i have only watched the highlights on youtube yet)
As far as I'm concerned, the series ends with Season 10, episode 3. The cliffhanger from season 9 is resolved, all ongoing plot threads are merely 'concerns' rather than crises (so we can easily imagine that they can be resolved now that the characters have time to breathe and think), and the afterlives have reached a new reasonably stable status quo for the first time since the season 5 apocalypse.
Lol Yeah we started watching around the same time, tho I was 8 when I started watching it (Turning 18 this year). But what I wanted to say was it's a pretty bug chunk of my life that i'd been watching it so I can't fault it, and I know it's basically me sitting there watching it with rose tinted glasses but I can't help but love it, it's just so nostalgic for me I remember watching after school (Again I started watching it when I was 8)
All seasons after 5 are bad. The characters other than dean become a back seat. Sam became a complete bitch and keep getting caught and being a Dansel in distress character. They seem to forget about Sam going to hell and being Lucifer, yet Dean gets the mark of Kane and it’s a bigger deal. I honestly think Sam should have been the one with the mark of Kane instead of Dean. Sam was the demon side of the Winchester family and Dean was the angle side of the family. Let’s just say I’ve bought every season within the first month of its release. I have yet to buy 15 and really have no desire to buy it. I only have watched seasons 6-14 once where I can watch seasons 1-5 over 15 times. This show is a prime example of fans wanting more is always not a good thing. They should have ended it after season 5 or at least take 4 years to write a more compelling story rather than make shit up on the go.
I disagree with your point about season 4 and 5. It got rid of the threat of physically dying, yes, but in exchange they're threatened by things much worse than that; the seals, both sides of the war fucking with their heads, their families, and their lives, and saying yes to Michael/Lucifer. Seasons 4 and 5 are all about Sam and Dean being small parts of the big picture. One of the most horrifying moments in the whole show for me was Sam telling Lucifer he'd sooner kill himself than say yes, and Lucifer just flippantly responding that he'd only bring him back to life. The idea of being unable to even kill yourself to escape what's happening because you'd just be brought back to life is much more terrifying than simply dying and being at peace. This is solidified by just how much the angels fuck with their heads while treating them as little more than insects. The fact that they'll go to any extremes without a care because Sam and Dean are nothing to them. On the contrary, season 4 and especially season 5 had much higher stakes than seasons 1-3. It shows us again and again that they aren't superheroes who're just going to defeat the bad guys and save the day like they always do. There's a building sense of hopelessness as each of their attempts fail miserably and they pay the price for it. Hell, Dean gives up and tries to say yes to Michael. For me, that was when the show was at its best. I never felt like the characters had plot armour, or that the writers were cheaply extending the story like they did in later seasons. The show promised us that the brothers wouldn't get out of it unscathed, and they didn't. Sam threw himself in the cage to be tortured by Lucifer and Michael for eternity, and that's where the show was supposed to end. It was final, and it's not Kripke's fault that they brought Supernatural back from the dead (ha) to make money.
Yeah, some dislike S4-5 for raising the stakes like that, but it was meant to be the final chapter. Overall, its clearly the best of the "world threatening" seasons by far.
I actually agree with almost all of this, which is really surprising cuz I feel like I don’t see a lot of people who I agree with? I watched Supernatural for the first time last year and immediately after the first ep I knew I was going to like it but then I binged the entire thing within like 3 months. I’m still obsessed. Season 1-5 are amazing, looking back at them. I got so mad with how slow it felt when I was first watching it (I’m not used to the ep by ep “monster of the week” format and that type of thing has never been my style) but I’m going through my first complete rewatch with a friend (we’re in season 4 rn) and I definitely did not give it enough credit back then because everything was built up and put together and foreshadowed so beautifully and it’s VERY well done. Season 6-11, while they definitely have their weak spots I think I actually enjoyed them WAY more the first time around than seasons 1-5 (which I feel like is considered heresy in this fandom, but it’s true). Sam losing his soul and the mystery that came with it was SO interesting to me, then the wall in his head, and him getting his memories back, and then eventually almost dying because of how much his hallucinations tormented him? That might’ve been one of my favorite plot lines from the entire show and I loved every second of it (except how it was resolved, I can’t believe basically 2 seasons of consequences were fixed so quickly, and HOW it was solved was so so dumb. Cas literally said “I can’t fix it… except that I CAN” and then literally only took the hallucinations, but none of his memories?? How does that even work? How did that even fix it?? That’s just my opinion tho) and then also Dean coming back from Purgatory with Benny was amazing, and then the trials was also one of my favorite plot lines ever. (Can you tell I’m a Sam girl? 😭) I think the finale where the angels were cast out of heaven might be the coolest season finale to EVER exist. Not only that but the idea of Gadreel possessing Sam without his knowledge or consent and Dean gaslighting him into thinking nothing wrong literally makes my skin crawl every time, and I think that plot line gave us one of the most interesting debates on who was right and who was wrong that I’ve seen in years. In general, while those seasons had some pretty low lows, the good moments were AMAZING. And then season 12-15… yeah. I think the video summed it up pretty well. I hate Mary with all my everything but I do think she played a very interesting role and I wasn’t against her coming back. I think it was the most extreme “never meet your hero” moment ever. But instead of ur hero it’s the person who you’ve been trying to avenge and who you’ve been fighting for and missing and loving and raging for ur ENTIRE life and then the illusion of this perfect mother is ripped apart right in front of ur face. I think that could’ve been SUCH an interesting idea if they’d done it right, but unfortunately I don’t think they did. And then Lucifer, I actually did like that they didn’t try to redeem him. After all the suffering and death he’s caused, I don’t think he deserved that opportunity. But the fight where he died was awful, and I hated every second. His character definitely overstayed its welcome, although Mark Pellegrino did an amazing job. The multiverse was very interesting and I think that might’ve been what brought me back and kept me hooked after all the bad tbh. Jack, while I hated the build up to his a character being born, I did end up liking. Only him as a person though, I don’t think any of the plot lines surrounding him really stuck with me or interested me at all. I loved the parallels we were able to have between Sam and Jack, Sam seeing himself in the kid and wanting to help his torturers son was such an insane twist I would’ve never guessed. And then the way that Dean just becomes a John 2.0 towards Jack was also very intriguing. But every plot centered around him (losing his soul, dying, trying to control his powers) all the rest of it didn’t interest me at all. And then lastly, Chuck as a villain, imo, was awful. Maybe it could’ve been done halfway okay but they did it so terribly. It contradicted so much that was previously established that it felt wrong and cheap. They used it as an excuse to cover up their mistakes and then the finale went against basically everything that the entire show stood for, everything they fought for, so what was the point of them killing Chuck to gain free will? Just so they could die the exact same way as they thought they would in season 1? I have a whole rant about the finale that I can’t even. But yeah, I agree with almost everything and hearing the hopeful “maybe the end will be better” was honestly depressing cuz oh boy does it only get worse. 😭
I have a personal connection to this situation: I am a screenwriter/storyboard artist and in 2010 I lived in LA. I sent SUPERNATURAL show-runner Eric Kripke a Dean&Sam storyboard sequence I wrote & rendered. Mr. Kripke called me and we talked for 3 hours. He loved my work (and offered me work on his next series that failed) but explained he was retiring after the 5th season. When I asked about his 5-year plan, he explained that the crew had become his friends over the 7 years it took to get the 5 seasons in the can. CW wanted a flagship show, so they made him and offer he couldn't refuse- EVERYONE made out like bandits, and all Kripke had to do was make sure the show didn't go off the rails. (It did- but it took a decade.) Understand that a Grip that made $60K/year (not much in LA) made $120K/year EXTRA in profit participation & residuals- that is how lucrative the deal was for everyone. Because Kripke did not want to leave them all unemployed, so they got rich when he was done with it, because they all took over and did a decent job as stewards. My point is also: if GAME OF THRONES show-runners, the idiots D&D had done the same thing, it would still be airing new episodes today, everyone would be unbelievably rich, and D&D would not be the laughingstock of Hollywood, and their STAR WARS trilogy of movies would have been made.
You either die a horror show or live long enough to become Days of Our Lives with demons
Lol.
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Yeah, it started off like Hellblazer with the Dukes of Hazzard in the place of John Constantine. By season 6, it was becoming a soap opera. I checked out in the beginning of season 7.
lmao damn
@@AliceBowieI respect you, but I adored the soap opera stuff.
It was a way to watch soap operas but still feel ever so slightly manly about it 😂
Supernatural seasons 1-5 were gold. Top tier television. It was scary , heartfelt, fun , dark and epic. It embraced this “ southern gothic “ style with its atmosphere and cinematography. After that … Oof 😥. Season 8 was a welcome return. But that’s really all I can give credit for after season 5. Season 6 was messy and totally ruins the end of 5 but is watchable . Season 7 is goofy and over the top but it is fun and doesn’t deserve the hate.
I just got to season 5 and it’s already starting to lose me. I think the made the scope too big. I definitely enjoyed it a lot more when they were exploring a lot of different lore and stories, I didn’t mind when they initially started battling the demons but it just feels like a completely different show
Broooo season 6 is so underrated my goddd😭
I unironically loved the leviathans, but the ending was 1/10
@@Sognafarmost endings in supernatural are dumb and bad. They write some cool shit but don't know how to finish it. That's what a bad writer does, everyone can write cool shit, but not everyone can make sense and w good ending out of it.
@@DieEineMieze pretty fair assessment. The show is one of my faves just because of the shit it touches, but holy christ a huhe chunk of the show is terrible acting, great build up for the most dissapointing outcomes, and too many plotholes to get into.
Lack of consequences is probably one of the two reasons I stopped watching Supernatural. I started watching it when it was a dark fantasy show that could actually scare you a bit and it was my favourite show and the show I grew up with, but watching it now is just painful. There's no point worrying about characters, even less important ones. But the second reason and the one which eventually prompted me to stop watching was the show creating bigger and badder evils after season 5. I mean, the biblical apocalypse was supposed to the the ultimate scariest moment of the show, no? But then they created leviathans out of nowhere, then there was God's sister, which was so ridiculous I just gave up.
Bloody Mary in season 1 was scarier than all of the antagonists after season 5.
And the show also leaned into comedy too much. Angels and demons were scary once. Now every child with a fork can kill them. Lucifer (especially Jared's version) was genuinely creepy. They turned him into a whiny child.
I will watch the ending on UA-cam, but I consider Swan Song the only one true Supernatural ending. Everything else is just making money for the sake of making money.
Swan song was amazing , what I felt was they introduced more interesting charecters after season 5 but disregarded the charecters they already had and the plot lines lost the touch when they kept dying every season
I agree! What they did with demons and angels was awful and Lucifer as well.
Yep..the bloody Mary episode is one of the creepiest episodes.
Yeah if they wanted more Comedy they should have just let the trickster/Gabriel be on the show more. That dude was funny
Great point. Early 5 seasons of Supernatural were filled with dread and hopelessness. You always felt like there's no happy ending, that these guys are facing against something way bigger than them. It really gave the show a unique edge that kept it great. After defeating Devil, I just couldn't care less anymore and worse writing was even more apparent.
Am I the only one whose upset that DEATH a creature that has been around for TRILLIONS and who is infinitely powerful is just killed by being tricked. REALLY
Do you mean the original Death or Billie, because Billie was only a reaper until Death was destroyed?
@@taraangel6221 the original death
Not to mention Lucifer is a goof ball, God is scared of his sister, God actually has a sister, God is bratty, God the creator of everything everywhere is beatable. Crowley was a way better character than Lucifer. The creator of this UA-cam channel is absolutely correct.
I mean.. That's how all of them died. It was the same bs every season.
Tbh how tf are you supposed to even Kill a being that's as old as God or perhaps even older?
Kinda wrote themselves into a corner there
season 15 so far is just like some poorly- written fan fiction. It makes me sad cuz it’s the last season and the writers are wasting time for fan-service filler episodes.
season 6-15 are all fan service
I'm glad you put down it was poorly written fanfiction and not just fanfiction
@@Pedro-ux2de agreed.
@@Pedro-ux2de agreed! The show doesn’t even bother to follow the original lore set up in seasons 1-5. My biggest gripe by far was Cain. That entire sub plot irked me because not once was it mentioned that Dean was his descendent despite it being the very reason why he and Sam were the main vessels for Michael and Lucifer in the first place. Ugh.
I like season 2 -8 because this writer named Ben edlund, he is very good at writing slick and smart cool dialogues, then he quit and started writing scripts for Gotham season one
As the show went on, every single character who was once terrifying has gone on to be a drinking buddy/friend of the boys. When Cas first showed up he burned Pam's eyes out!
no....he didnt. Pam was responsible for her own eyes being burned out.
@@jebus42069I am VERY familiar with all episodes of SN. Cass warned her NOT to look but she decided to anyway. Cass did not intentionally burn her eyes out. Her decision, her consequence...so yeah, it does contradict original comment. I suppose if you play the victim it would be Cass fault but if you take responsibilities for your actions then it would be Pam's fault. You could also say it was Sam and Deans fault for involving her or Bobby's fault for introducing the boys to Pam....etc, etc. Where each of us draw the line of blame can get out of hand so it just depends on your perspective of being a victim or taking responsibility.
@@jeffreyrigby2387No it doesn't. Cass was the reason her eyes burned out thus he burned her eyes out. It's that simple.
My main gripes with the show is that 1) they kill characters off and bring them back over and over which takes away any impact of death
2) the show stuck with christianity and biblical threats instead of moving on from that in season 6
3) i feel like a show mainly about two brother shouldn't go on for 15 seasons especially if they don't increase the main cast
Honestly just the disrespect towards Cas in season 15 is what is making me want to stop watching supernatural.
Me too castiel deserves better
really? xD if anything, seasons 14 and 15 have fixed Castiel for me. He was unbearable since they used him as whatever the plot needed from seasons 7 through 13.
@@franz8072 LOL ikr
@Idiot Destroyer Naw fam they brought him back cause views were down and once Castiel came back the view count went up
@@topaz_pigeon9563 well he is a fan favourite ... too bad he's been butchered beyond recognition
When they brought JACK into the season, my first thought was “wait... did they just forget about Jesse Turner? The first nephilim who appeared in season 5”
Actually Jesse is half demon half human 🤔
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Is that not a nephilim either? Sorry, IDK what the specifics of it was. I just thought whatever half demon or half angel with half human were somewhat the same to use the term nephilim.
He was the anti christ not nephilim
@@TamaraKiska23 demons were humans that went to hell and eventually went truly dark. Angels were shown to be heavenly helpers/workers for God, they were not human at all. A nephilim is the combination of an angel and human.
jesse is a cambion, not a nephilim.
“I wouldn’t say the show has become repetitive”
...it has though
I’m absolutely disappointed with the ending with the show. I can’t even look back now at previous seasons because of that ending. 15x20 was really a disappointment. I like to believe the true ending of the show was season 5. The show should have ended at 5x22.
Same! Everything after thar sucked. Aka Angel's becoming weak, God becoming evil, the unrealistic plot lines that is NOT what happened or what it was actually like at all.
15x19 was a good end too
@@FilmFan-iv7sz good end? Its the worst episode of the entire show
@@saintsfps5348 5x19 isn't even close the worst
Season 11 was the time to end it for me. I didn't like seasons 12-15 but I can still enjoy the other seasons especially the first 5.
You covered a lot of topics what some of the fans, even the most diehard of diehard fans, have been thinking quietly to themselves for a long time. Well done.
Leftist ideology ruined another show. Best part about chuck was his fair well song
@@BenDover-oc7vl How did politics have anything to do with this lol
@@sciencesociety2919hey made a pointless Trump joke when they brought back the apocalyptic survivors. During the time when the we should all hate Trump was at an all time high. Yet we never got any Obama jokes.
@@shayla106the jokes are always relevant to the year the show is being produced
@@KarltheBarlonce again, that kinda proves the other person’s point, cuz they never once made a direct joke or comment about Obama's two terms in office. I mean, I don't like Trump either, but fair is fair. If you make a joke about one, make a joke about the other too.
I stopped watching at the end of season 14 and honestly I became so tired out of the show. I think this show was strongest in the first 3 seasons when it was still grounded and focused on the two brothers hunting more “urban legend” type monsters. I think once the angels and demons stuff began in season 4 it raised the stakes which led to a snowball effect in future seasons where the writers had to continuously introduce bigger and bigger threats into the show, leading to more and more contradictions to previously established lore.
And the bigger and badder boss thing is so stupid, since it would mean that the bosses would be faster, stronger than anything, yet they always manage to kill them with a gun or something 🤣
Yeah for me the 3 first seasons was the Canon show that should have ended with the episode in 4 where Castiel gets Dean out of Hell, and I still love those seasons.
@@ALEXBIGBLUE Dean selling his soul for Sam and Castiel raising Dean from Hell should've been iconic moments, but the show ruined that after having Sam and Dean dying and resurrecting repeatedly. They made coming back from the dead look easy and it just ruined the legitimately memorable resurrections.
I didn't like how killing monsters became so easy. Starting in Season 5, you just stab any demon to death with a knife, which made the Winchesters stronger than demons. You'd think demons would be smart and skilled enough to adapt to combating that knife. And if Ruby made that knife, you'd also think other demons would've invented their own cutting edge weapons.
That finale had to be the worst fan service I've ever seen game of thrones season 8 type of dissapointing
I thought the whole season was pretty awful
@@dylanarruda8652 Havent even seen this season except the series finale.
I thought s15 was trash but I liked the finale
agree, the last episode was probably the worst in the entire show, imo
@@yodaonketamine5706 how, please tell me how
Season 5 was my favorite, especially the horsemen episodes. Reminds me, in Good God, Y’all (S5, ep 2) seconds before they ruthlessly hacked off Roger’s fingers, he said “you can’t kill War kiddos” which makes sense since the horsemen are concepts not beings. But under “season 15 logic” God could remove any of those concepts from the Earth including Death. Or can he?
Well, presumably, if he removed all life from the universe, he would necessarily remove all death from the universe. Further, the rest of the Horsemen are sort of “secondary” concepts. Death is a necessary implication of mortal life, whereas war, famine, and plague are not necessary implications of mortal life, at least not in the same way.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092yeah, in a way, war, famine, and plague are the offspring of death because they can cause death, but ultimately death is inevitable in all aspects of life, regardless of what the cause is.
SPOILER ALERT. yea Dean Legit dies by falling into a sharp object... no hero's death just... gets pushed into a sharp object 🤷🏻♂️
A nail of all things killed Dean 😂😂
@@12wer3wer9 ... HEAT! of the moment!
That's precisely my I love the way the series ended actually. Obviously the show was in a decline, it NEEDED to end. They ended it the way everything was realistically bound to end: dying on a hunt.
Umm. Logan?
He got tetanus from that nail and died rip 😔
The leviathans arc was the last watchable season. Everything after makes me want to put my head in a blast furnace.
Anyone remember Mick? I will forever be salty they killed him off after he was getting interesting.
Hate to be that person, but... who's Mick?
Mick was apart of the man of letters. He was killed by Arthur ketch. I think u would find him around season 12 maybe.
@@dylanarruda8652 Ah yeah. I vaguely remember him. That's not a good sign.
Just another addition to the list of wasted characters 😂
Yes! They should have kept Mick and killed Ketch.
God and Jack should never have been brought into it. God should have stayed a mystery.
I thought Chuck/God in season 11 was an interesting character. He was an a$$h@le but still had some morals and was mostly on the side of good. Making him a villain in seasons 14 and 15 was a terrible decision. Jack was sadly a failure of a character, I thought the actor was good but the writers had no idea what to do with him. Having him become the new god was dumb.
I just binge watched all the seasons after not watching it since season 6 and I really agree with your points. My main issue through the show was the lack of character development especially with Sam and Dean. Whenever they did experience some it would disappear a few episodes later. I even found myself disliking Dean in later seasons because of the inconsistencies with his character. Most of the time he was dismissive of other people and super angry but then for random one off "funny" episodes his personality would take a 360 where he would be cracking jokes, smiling lots etc. I found this really made it hard for myself to fully me immersed into what they were feeling through the show because they were no consistency. There's also the fact that they ruined some great characters (like crowley and cas) because they didn't know what to do with them so they gave them the most random or awful storylines.
I missed Crowley when they wrote him off. He was a great character. Strangely it was Sam that I found myself disliking.
So glad someone said this. I also hated what they did to crowley and cas. Wasted potential. They really became the Winchester's pets with a fraction of the power they once had. I really hated Dean in season 15. He was angry for losing Mary, a mom, which let's be honest, he shouldn't be able to remember. I dont remember what I did at 6 years old. She's not even with them half the time or spent time bonding 🤷♀️ idk too many cooks spoiled the broth. There were too many writers for any consistency.
20:08 the only reason Crowley died for good is because the actor got tired of the same shit and how his character was treated, so he left the show, btw.
What we were promised in a fight between Lucifer and Michael=" A hellacious , Earth shattering, knock down, drag out , spectacular battle, that would lay waste to most of the planet!!!"
What we got when they finally fought=" A boring , poorly done, spat that somewhat damages part of one church."
They could have done the fight in s5 but they didnt why??? Low budget??
Cas bringing Dean back, as part of the original story, had weight and consequences. It broke him, it made him finally think more about a life outside of hunting. Something he never thought of himself since he was busy being his father’s dutiful soldier. I don’t agree with the other seasons being better but to each their own.
The pandering to the fandom is what lost me.
Supernatural for me ended when they started the whole Jack son of Lucifer thing .
All I’m hearing: everything after season 5 was a mistake
It wasn't a mistake necessarily, but it definitely could have been handled better.
I watched the show since way back in 2005 & it should have ended with Season 5. One of the most perfect finales in TV history. God it went downhill fast after that. Don't get me wrong it had a few decent Seasons after Kripke's tenure ended with the show. But it NEVER reached the levels of the first 5 Seasons. That could be because there were ZERO stakes in later Seasons. EVERY cast member, including recurring cast members had died & came back at one point before the show limped to the finish line. *Jumping The Shark* is a thing, in Supernatural's case they jumped the shark went back & shot it then f*cked its corpse
My wife and I were rewatching it recently. We got to season 8 and were like, "Why are we even still watching. It ends at season 5 for us. Characters stop making sense and hypocritical.
I absolutely loved and ADORED Supernatural. At one time, it was my favorite show. I really enjoyed the first 6 seasons. At the time, I was not a huge fan of S7, but look back on it w/more fondness than before though the Leviathan were not good enemies.
For me, the Carver seasons 8-10 (I guess . . I quit the show sometime in S10) drove away all my love for the show. I hated the contrived, forced conflict btw the brothers. I hated that Carver made the stupid decision of not letting Sam look for Dean after S7, made up a rule btw them for that exact situation, but then endlessly had characters punishing and berating Sam for keeping their promise! It was complete and utter nonsense. Bad Boys in S9 was retconned trash! Dean was in that group home, wanting a normal life but then a few years later, he's upset w/Sam for wanting the same and not understanding why Sam wanted that!?!!? That made no sense and turned Dean into a massive hypocrite. Don't even get me started on how this most recent young Winchester episode further messed up the boys' history. Plus, every Carver season had some inexplicable, contrived drama btw the boys! It was beyond annoying. At the time, I remember thinking, they were each way too old to be hanging together if they couldn't stand each other! Just go your separate ways already!
I didn't finish S10 and skipped all of S11. I heard Mary was brought back so I tuned in for S12. I came to HATE Mary. The BMOL were awful. And the rest of the seasons have been pretty much a blur. I have not been playing close attention. I often miss episodes and don't bother to try to re-watch them.
So, I think the show started to decline in S8. Sera Gamble's seasons (6 and 7) were a good continuation of the story, but things began to decline in S8 and it's been a steady decline since, IMO.
Sera Gambles Era was super underrated. It was able to establish additions to the lore without compromising the consistency of its presentation in the earlier seasons or retconning. Not to mention Demons and Angels still acted like Demons and Angel's instead of corporate lackeys. Crowley was also at his peak
Some of the character storylines (Cas's decent into villainy, Bobby's Death) were also much more engaging for me then what followed.
Meg was hilarious on season 7
Agree quite a lot with you, for me, though, the greatest tragedy of this show is what they did to angels and demons, and how they nerfed them and made them into jokes.
Before, angels and demons were scary and intimidating, especially angels, they were fearsome and nobody wanted to mess with them, whenever a single angel stood in a room with various other characters, the entire room had to keep on gaurd and hope they don't piss off the angel, now, the angels fight like idiots, they always turn their backs on their enemies for some reason, everyone can kill them, they started giving them a bunch of stupid weaknesses, teenagers can kick their asses etc, it just started to lose its way.
For me, seasons 1 through 6 were peak Supernatural, with seasons 1 through 5 being pure greatness, season 6 was great, but it wasn't exactly on the same level as the previous 5 seasons, season 7 was quite bad on Cable TV, but I forced myself through it, season 8 was good, season 9, however? Made me quit, I gave up on Supernatural for years after that, and didn't watch any other season until a few episodes into season 13, I remember season 13 starting off really strong, actually, but midway through, it devolved right back to standard post-season 6 goofy Supernatural nonsense, season 14 was alright, I guess, didn't care too much for Dean+Micheal, but we got it, and well, saw a few episodes of season 15 only because it was gonna be its last season, but couldn't finish it.
@@alltheworldsastage4785 My sister says that too! I agree w/you both. They ruined angels and demons but esp the angels! They were so powerful when they were first introduced but then became massive jokes! It was so bad.
They really didn't need to make God the evil demiurge they made him into. God could've stayed in the back ground and been hands off and "good but mysterious ways" and Jack could've been a sort of savior figure that God allows to be born in order to try and redeem Lucifer and show why choice is important, why he doesn't interfere with free will, but nooooo, can't explore a benevolent yet mysterious God....
Yeah they went the most cliched route when it came to God.
End of s5 with sam going to the cage and dean living on. was the perfect ending and after that it started going downhill. the ending of s15 sucks. Not to mention I'm christian and I hate the way they wrote how Angel's are dicks and weak and God is evil and demons can easily best Angel's and cas is weak now. I think the best and most awesome plotlines were in s4 through 5 with the apocalypse and horseman were realistic and cool. Angel's were badass and powerful and realistic at that point and everything was how it should have been
@Damian 1998 ya there are some good episodes in the later seasons but the plotlines for the season were weaker and everything was all over the place
I agree with you about the show should of ended in S5. But i like the idea that angels aren’t all perfect. Supernatural is not there to be faithful to a religion. The whole idea is to twist the idea on different beliefs.
It at least made sense in the earlier seasons beacuse they weren't objectively evil, and more so were a complex and nuanced faction with their own understandable goals. However I can agree with you in the middle and later seasons, as they're mostly just in as a source of drama and conflict. Plus adding god as an on screen character was an idiotic choice as his absence from the story was one of the most important parts of the plot itself.
@@kara_keegan_2242yeah, well even in he Bible angels aren't perfect. After all, 1/3 of them fell from heaven alongside Lucifer and became demons so it's not like they got the whole Angels are dicks thing wrong because some of them are. Btw I am a Christian too and I was emotionally checked out after they made god a villain too. Bare MAXIMUM (not minimum becuz we never go past this point), God should be an antihero/morally grey entity that still mostly aligns with the side of good. I only finished the show because I hate leaving things unfinished and season 15 had some good moments, but not enough to save it.
All the problems you mention are due to the fact they made it up as they went along... not a fixed ending like the wire or breaking bad where the story was pushed to a conclusion.
Supernatural was milked for every penny and at some point not even all these filler episodes where they chased the beast of the week, was enough to cover up the fact that there was nothing left to be told anymore.
Less truly is more ... I mean I remember when they introduced Castiel , he was a badd ass ( " I'm an angel of the lord") ... later he just got bitch slapped throughout every episode.
Cool characters like Cain were barely used and dismissed/killed off very quick ...instead of weaving him into a larger plotline that actually makes sense ... heck even regular demons were formidable foes at one point.
And don't get me started about these repetitive roundabout dialogues between sam and dean... luckily on these streaming platforms you can just skip that empty emo babble
Captain Obvious: Supernatural was only successful because Sam and Dean were played by hot actors.
My read on the luck episode was that Chuck actually heaped bad luck on them because their ineptitude made no sense.
I only ever watched the first few seasons which was all the way back in Middle School for me, I liked the monster hunting theme. Looks like it stopped being that for a long time.
It should’ve ended in season 11 with Chuck playing “Fare Thee Well.”
Yeah. That would have been so good. That episode was lit
I will defend seasons 8-11, not perfect but still pretty damn good. 12-15 are a$$.
Jack was one of the worst characters ever. They mad Jack the attention of the show.
Yeah, I hate him
I actually liked Jack, but then they ruined him, like what the writers of Supernatural did to a lot of things after season 5.
A character that could have been great but they f@@ked up with him so many times.
It Didn't start off as sacrilegious. But it went Beyond that there at the end. It was good when it focused on the monsters.
Seasons 1-5 are literally perfect. In my head cannon I still consider the ending of season 5 to be the TRUE ending. Season 6-15 are just extra.
agree!
some major issues i had with this show is the way they killed off dean so many fucking times it lost its emotional impact, the way they made deans character turn on cas in the last season, the fact that god was portrayed as a villian cause he would be so much better as a gray character, lucifer who was absolutely the most annoying character for me i literally could not stand him, and rowenas character being wasted
Don't even get me started on the death of Mary. 1) I didn't care 2) I didn't care about the brothers drama 3) Poor Jack.
Season 9 was the one that made me think it was dying. I started watching during season 2 and was AVID. Still am on the older stuff lol. Season 9 made me quit watching the show all together because of they pretty much destroyed their characterizations, personal developments, mental ability, and previously established lore. Dean was a lying sloot, sam was an oblivious goodie, and cas was dumb and oooo sooooo funny now! Mainly because the best writers on the show got pushed out. I mean I could get passed the minor fuck ups (Dean as a kid and talking about creatures he hadn't know existed until he was an adult lol), but season 9 felt like a completely different cast of characters, unlikable ones at that. Not to mention that the show introduces actual good characters and then kills them ASAP for the lowest hanging fruit of emotional abuse. Bringing Mary back was dumb but thank God Mr. "I abuse my kids but it's for a good cause and I'm a great dad, I promise!" John didn't come back. I just want all 3 of the boys to have a good ending. ALL 3 OF THEM. I honestly feel like Cas is going to perma death, cause you know, the big sad. I've literally analysed this show too much
well if you end up finishing it, good luck now
@@angeleiek9663 yeah nope lol
John did come back for an episode in 15 and it was ridiculous.
Ikr, I stop watching the show after season 9 also because my favorite writer named Ben edlund, he the one that writes the cool smart slick dialogues from season 2 to 8, then he quit and start writing scripts for Gotham season one
Chuck said in season 11 “every time I created a new world she would destroy it “
So maybe this Amara’s doing the whole time!
First of all, your music choices for this video were excellent, 10/10. 😂👌 Second of all, I love your analysis and your “this is a stupid show but I love it??” is very relatable. And third of all, PLEASE MAKE MORE SUPERNATURAL ANALYSIS VIDEOS! But I mean, only if you want to. 🥺
I watched this television show when it first premiered on television in 2005, I was so invested and in love with this show until the angels/demons stuff was introduced. The show lost everything it used to have, it was actually scary, funny, heaps of drama and risk for the characters. I stopped watching after season 6 and for me the show ended at season 5. Eric Kripke never intended it to go any further and it’s sad to see how shocking of a show it became. Not any different to any other show that outstayed its welcome, the walking dead, orange is the new black, game of thrones the list goes on. Breaking bad was the perfect show due to the creators and everyone involved accepting that the show was ready to finish and it’s critically acclaimed for what we as viewers have been left with.
RIP, supernatural you were my favourite.
If you click on my channel you’ll see a supernatural video I uploaded over 15 years ago on the funniest moments of the show, this was the peak.
season 13 at one point tried to give Lucifer the personality of Crowley
I thought I was the only one who thought so lol. But no one can be Crowley lol
@@LadyOfTheEdits and they proved it. thanks , sometimes it's nice to find an ally
@@papajohnloki hehe likewise^_^
what was really weird to me is that why would Dean be vessel for Michael when he was clearly Cain and Sam was Abel, it should be Dean as Lucifer and Sam as Michael...
It was the whole older brother vs. younger brother dynamic that they were toying with. In both of those instances, you have Dean as the older brother being force to kill his younger brother.
I really want to see a follow-up to this video now
I made one
@@SheevTalks Just saw it! I was really surprised at how kind you were to the finale. I pretty much agree with all of your criticism and none of the praise, but I guess I'm happy for you that you at least got something good out of it. Good video, even if I don't fully agree. I'll definitely check out more of your channel, I really like your style, voice and presentation.
@@magiv4205 thank you very much
15x19 was fucking awful. Should I make a follow-up talking about the final 7 episodes?
Follow-up: ua-cam.com/video/w8tzgddoUhk/v-deo.html
Yes do it
15x19 was amazing. 15x20 was the shitiest shit of all shits. It's not canon. Spn ended at 15x19.
Yes please because fuck me, that ending was pretty lackluster...
Waiting for the 15x20 review
@@aaron6807 not sure how you felt about 15x20, but you might not like what I have to say
And anytime they would introduce a new character that’s actually likable, that character gets killed off...
I started losing interest with the introduction of leviathans, just felt it was losing its touch. Their disrespect to angels, specially Cass, was really started to bug me. I personally believe Supernatural should have stopped after season 5.
totally agree that the show should’ve ended after season 11. 12-15, besides some of 13, has been an absolute train wreck. the stories aren’t necessarily horrible, but the writers clearly don’t care anymore
Yup. Stopped watching after Season 11. When they introduced that brain-dead Dean/Amara deal, I lost interest completely. Only tuned in for the finale but that was also disappointing.
The story becomes weirder in Supernatural. Season 1 - 7 are great, but after that the stories of their enemies are so weird and predictable. They fought angels, they the beat Lucifer, and Metatron. Then they create God Sister as the next enemy, Then Michael, then God, If God has a father, he would have been their next foe!!! The Winchesters are unbeatable even against God! WtF??
I liked every single season except for the men of letters Arc, it was just so stupid, and I also disliked the finale of Season 15, like God is supposed to be above all things, so I thought it was stupid for him to just give the Winchesters a slap on the rist and gets beaten by a very unexperienced Nephilim, I just thought season 15 final was just so stupid, like if you could see the future, wouldn't you be able to see if you ever get beaten by someone and then come to prevent it? I know he was prideful at the end, but being God, evil or not, you'd still win, so I don't agree with the season 15 finale.
They did Chuck dirty all for Jack, one of the worst characters in the show. bad actor, bad writing. Justice for Chuck. And don't get me started on Mary, OMG she was so dam annoying. They should have ended on Season 5, that was the golden era of Supernatural. The final couple seasons were absolutely terrible, the retconning was in your face, my eyes are still rolling years later.
For me the show died somewhere late season 9. Just something after that it just didn't even feel like the same show. Not to mention they assassinated Dean's character, forgot about Sam and well, cas stopped being useful a long time ago. Doesn't change the earlier seasons from being amazing though.
Been watching supernatural every week since season 6. I noticed it was slowly losing quality. But only after the last episode, when I decided to rewatch the entire show, I noticed when it went truly downhill.
Seasons 1 - 5: That's the golden age. SHould've ended here.
Seasons 6 - 11: It's definitely worse them the first 5, but only after rewatching it after season 15, I was able to notice how GOOD it was compared to the last seasons (except the ending to season 11). I'm serious, rewatch season 11 and then go to season 12. You will immediately notice how different the script and pacing are. It went from ok to dumb.
Season 12 - 15: Season 12 introduces Andrew Dabb as showrunner, and this guy SUCKS. Also, Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner, who always wrote some bad episodes, became executive producers in season 12. I came to appreciate seasons 8 - 11 after rewatching everything and being able to immediately compare the seasons. It's just sad what they did
100% agree
Agreed
I have rewatched this show many times, but I only watch Season 1-7. Season 8 is were I feel the quality of the show slowly goes downhill.
Just imagine the legacy Supernatural could've carved for itself had it ended with Season 5 like it planned to
I totally hate Billie I miss the old death these last few seasons of supernatural have been totally fan service retconned certain events that happened in the first few seasons characters that they should have brought back but didn't just a waste the last season finale of supernatural was season 10
Such a good video essay even though (and maybe especially) since it was made before the finale. They really dug themselves into so many holes with the lack of consequences and lowering the stakes on a lot of big lore/worldbuilding aspects. Like you said: God killing Jack could be undone, God killing Billie only meant another Reaper would be made Death, etc. "Really cool concept that opens up a lot of questions" is the best summary of it. I also totally agree Season 11 would've been a great ending point. While there's a lot about S11 I don't like, I LOVE the ending of it. "Don't Call Me Shurley" is one of my favorite episodes and was such a good way to introduce/reintroduce God into the story. And the fact that it ended with God & Amara talking and making amends and not just killing the big bad...that was HUGE. Every season seems so focused on killing or shooting the problem, but it would have been so much more satisfying (and creative) for it to it ending peacefully and with no bloodshed. That's hard to do right and they would've been able to pull it off. Dean's goodbyes before going to his almost-death in the S11 finale was so much more emotional than his actual goodbye in the series finale.
Yeah I didn’t like the whole killing God concept and making a new one, making God…”Evil” in general.
That was weird and overall…kind of disrespectful to the religion.
One of the worst things was first, tricking death. An unimaginable old being. It doesn't even get tricked, it's just he get attacked with his own scythe and dies.
So death isn't one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful being in the universe, but his old scythe is?
It's like saying God is only strong because he has some magical item and if you take it, you could become god or while he still is god, you could kill him with this item.
Thats the dumbest thing in the whole series.
These incompetent dumb ass writers should have been sentences to life for that.
Death should’ve used that as his excuse to leave, not only had the brothers insane problems but he’s personally had to clean up their stupidity. Hell he even made a comment about leaving before the Leviathans were released. Have him “die” but show up in the last episode to do what he said he’d do: reap God.
@@thomasraines1396Death has lost it's meaning anyways in this show. How often did the brothers die and came back? Or just some random character brought back to life when the writes were out of ideas.
Death is one, if not the most sacred consequences.
Everyone can understand Death and what it means.
If you let your characters make mistakes over mistakes, then die and always find a way to come back, you have made your story boring, full of plot armor and lacking of dire consequences.
You always knew the brother would come back one way or another.
And the end with fighting against God and winning is so absurd, I don't feel like writing and essay about that.
@@DieEineMieze yeah they really lost their way as the show went on.
A bit late with this comment since this came out nearly 2 years ago but I've recently gotten back into supernatural and I have some things to say after it's ending.
Firstly, I agree with every point made in this video especially regarding the consequences. Despite it's constant use I never found it unbearable, probably because I actually enjoyed/didn't mind seasons 4 -11, however seasons 12-15 took it to an extreme to a point in which by the finale season I was just annoyed.
"Oh no Jack lost his grace!" He got it back. "Jack's dead?!" He's alive again. "Dean's possessed by Michael?!" Everything is fine and we're barely into the season.
It got exhausting and I could barely take it seriously anymore. Season 15 as a whole felt like an entire Fuck You to everyone who actually gave a shit about the show and did take it seriously. I don't like season 12 but Crowley's death hurt like a bitch because of the fact he didn't come back, Castiel's death hurt a lot too but bringing him back so early felt a bit off to me, or the fact they brought him back at all. Don't get me wrong, I would've hated to see him gone but it would have actually had an impact on the audience and especially characters like Dean and Sam.
Expanding on this, I actually didn't mind season 13 as a whole, we got Cas back, I enjoyed how innocent and Cas-like Jack was and the first few episodes where we watched Dean grieve hit like a ton bricks. Saying this, the reunion between the brothers and Castiel was very underwhelming to me especially since Dean had been an absolute wreck partially because of his death. But from then on, every reunion or emotional moment seemed stagnant to me and so far from the heartbreaking performances we used to get not even a few seasons prior. Cas returns to the bunker with the brothers, meets his child who he hasn't even seen before because he was dead, hugs him and then they go on a normal hunting trip. OK???
Lastly, I just wanna talk about Castiel and the shows constant disrespect towards him as a character (something I would have loved to hear your take on however this did come out before the ending so who cares)
I only started watching supernatural in December of 2015, I vividly remember binging it all through new years with my family and it became a thing for me and my dad to watch. However, the reason I started watching it was because of Castiel specifically thanks to my friend talking about him a lot and me going on to watch clips of him on UA-cam. Obviously he ended up being my favorite (which remains true to this day.) So you can understand my disappointment of the way the show treated him towards it's ending. Yes I'm talking about 15x18.
To say the confession scene surprised people is an understatement, I had stopped watching the show mid season 15 because of how unwatchable it got but as soon as I heard about THAT scene I had to watch it. And it was bad. Don't get me wrong, Misha's performance was great and you can tell now that he was putting everything into this finale goodbye to Dean and to the audience, but the implications of it and the episodes after it were downright disrespectful. What I mean by implications is that, whether you're a destiel shipper or not, to have a 'male' character confess their love to another male character and then have him immediately die is comical, not only this but I couldn't help but feel the writers did this in order to try and finally silence fans who they've been making fun of behind the scenes for years, so they could have their cake and eat it too. Honestly, despite how hilarious the situation was (and still is to me) I wouldn't have cared...I would have been ok with it despite everything as long as they acknowledged it in the next episode and we got to see the characters deal with the loss of somebody close to them. EXCEPT THAT BARELY HAPPENED
There's barely any mention of Cas, barely any reaction from his close family and I guess you could say it's because they were still dealing with God and everyone disappearing, but after that's sorted he is still barely mentioned!! Deans reaction to Castiels death in the season 12 finale is leagues above season 15, and this time Cas doesn't even come back!!!
This might just sound like an angry destiel shipper getting pissed off I didn't get the end I specifically wanted but that's just not true, I just wanted Castiel to finally be treated with respect by the writers after constantly being dealt a bad hand, hell they didn't even give cas/misha a public send off after his death just to keep fans waiting to see if he would return in the last episodes.
I'm not even gonna go into the abysmal finale, probably because I haven't seen all of it but I just wanna briefly mention how utter garbage I think Sam and Dean's endings were. This could just be a nitpick but having a characters true ending, a character who has been hinted as suicidal more than once, be dying on a rusty nail baffles me. Not only that but Dean died the exact same way he would have if the events of the series had never happened, on a hunt. Sam died of old age after living a normal life, the same way he would off if he had never left college to go look for his dad with Dean. It's as thought all those years of character development were for nothing. I'm far from the only one who hates their endings, even Jensen has made it clear he doesn't like it but I still find it incredibly sad even a year later.
Anyway that's my rant over. All in all I still look at this show fondly but also with vague distaste after it's heartless finale
I've always thought that it started to decline at around season 6 or 7, and that while the majority of writing from season 7 until now is unenjoyable for me it still has aspects I really like. Mostly it's just a few characters I actually like, and a few good moments with them.
I'm so glad that you don't hate season 7. Because it's one of my favs lol
I'm surprised that so few reviewers ever talk about what happened to the Sam and Dean's character towards the end of the show, which is what made the last few seasons a chore for me to watch. Contrivances and nonsense can be fine if the rest is entertaining, but with these characters? Sam leading an army of hunters as some sort of background event? Dean and his strange vendetta against a newborn child? Hell, if his whole fallout with Castiel was to make any sense, it should have been about him pulling a gun and intending to murder Jack, but both Cas and Sam seem to turn a blind eye to all of that for some reason? Cas flipflopping between acting like some sort of father figure to Jack and complaining when he has to "babysit". And don't get me started on the brothers manipulating people to get what they want and murdering vamps and werewolves indiscriminately these days.
Nonsense is par for the course in Supernatural, but not liking the characters I used to love is what tips the scales for me.
I agree, stopping at season 5 would’ve made this series amazing! I started watching when season 2 was on tv and I unfortunately had to watch the quality decrease since season 6 on.
I subbed yesterday, and now you came out with this. You’re a great channel.
I just realized how many times a deus ex machina was used for plotting. Deus ex machina are cheap ways of getting a character out of an unsolvable plotline. Of course, Dean had plot armor as well.
Dean was always supposed to come back from hell that was the first seal and kicked off the plot for both s4 and s5 it is a giant plot point that was planned in advance. But that's the only one that doesn't fit into the no consequences argument 😁
My theory is that Chuck realized he could warp reality by just writing the story and just wrote himself to be God just to see if it would work.
Like "Chuck Shurley becomes a Omnipotent God but still keeps his Mind and Personality" and that's why God can have a sister and why it started turning fan fictiony at the end he ran out of ideas and began skimming off the Forums. I imagine Jack becoming God was just so that the Winchesters would stop bothering him
The series finale could have come right at the end of Season 5 and you wouldn't even notice Seasons 6-15 ever existed.
imo it started going downhill after like season 3-4 castiel was one of my favorite characters but it all went downhill starting with his introduction
I started Supernatural around season 6. As I made it around the last season, season 12 turned me away. But being a final season, I just accepted it and moved on so I could cry during the finale
Oh yeah there is one thing I genuinely think they should have done which is, end it at season 11 but have the whole final fight at episode 11 and have chuck show his true colours after the death of his sister, they wouldn't have just had jack there to basically insta kill the biggest supposed biggest threat of the show, They could have even used the fact that there was still lingering hatred that lucifer had for god and had him help them I just generally think it would have been a better ending but yeah.
S11 would have been THE END
Finally got through to Season 10 and every season since 5 has jut felt like a chore to get through. I think the show just never settled on what it should be - personally I find the angel stuff so so boring and groan every time they come on the screen. The writers have no idea what to do with Castiel who just appears and disappears and changes personality on a whim. The show for me was much better when they actually hunted monsters and not with the angel stuff.
Dean dies on a small nail pole on the wall it was so stupid
And people wan't to actually agree that his death made since and it's what he wanted all along.
Sam and Dean have probably killed more innocent people than the monsters they hunt (all the demons they killed with the demon blade also killing the innocent person the demon possessed) What I love the most is how they introduce these cosmic beings in Archangles and instead of having great magical power fights its like Michael vs Lucifer comes down to a knife fight.
Well that's assuming that the wear an tear the demon put their vessel through didn't already kill the person they were possessing. Remember what happened to Meg 1.0? As for the lack of epic battles, it was a CW show with next to no budget, it’s not like they shit gold.
When Lucifer was making his rounds and Sam put him back in the cage everything seemed OK like it was going to get back on track. It never did.
Seasons 1 through 5 are still top quality despite it's issues and are why I'm still fine with having the dorkiest supernatural anti possession tattoo on me, since I'll always love those seasons. Season 6 was rough, I was barley engaged but pushed through hoping it was just a mid season due to having to follow such a strong act. But 3 episodes into season 7 and I gave up and never picked it back up.
So it's interesting to hear it from the point of view from a fan who stuck with it to the end.
I stopped watching in season 7,things were so convoluted at that point that i simply didn't cared anymore.
Season 1-5 is the quintessential and definitive Supernatural,what came after doesn't exist to me.
a feature length film Director ( not to toot the ol’ horn, but) Here’s what I would do to fix all this… Take things back to the basics and work with the strengths of the show.
I would make a feature length film that took place after the events of Season 5 as an epilogue. Seasons 1-5 have a specific time that defined the show. It was scary, it was dark , it was heartwarming and it had STEAKS.
There would be no “ End of the world or grand scale scenario”… You can’t outdo the final steaks of season 5, so you tell a personal story.
The movie would address a 20 year time gap of Dean living his life with his new family and legitimately being happy, but is repressing his inner darkness regarding Sam’s fate in Hell, meanwhile Sam being trapped in the spirit realm on earth with other nasty ghosts. He was pulled from Hell due to his heroic sacrifice. Both Sam and Dean can’t move on u til they accept their Fates.
The show was over after season 5. Whoever took over for kripke was a baffoon
I consider everything after season 5 to be mixed fan fiction. Seasons 1-5 were so good they tried another 10 seasons to try and recapture that magic.
Honestly they should've never introduced archangels and God and entities of such sort unless they had a Marvel budget or something like that. Such entities are supposed to be light-speed, have the power to lift planets with their hands, be durable to everything and so on, unless they had Marvel budget to create those super-powers into scenes it shouldn't have been introduced in Supernatural. The idea of an Archangel being as fast as human is a joke, they should've had like 6-7 seasons max and the bosses of each season or of the final ones should've been some creators of evil like Azazel was. For example if they didn't introduce Misha and all this angel and demon bullshit the finale of the show at season 5 could've been some final boss that creates all the monsters that were on earth at that point and defeating him would've meant no more ghosts, no more wendigoos, werewolf's and so on, the ending could've been the same (Dean dying like a warrior and Sam living a happy life) but it would've been more realistic, but no, instead they made an Archangel have the speed of a human, what a joke.
Real. From season 4 they already took a really hard path of introducing angels. They should have never introduced demons inthe first place so that this wouldn't happen. That's why most of the fights are bad and stuff. Should have just made it monsters and stuff. Like if you introduced angels obviously next is god. Where are you even supposed to go from that. Although i still take it for what it is.
As someone who has binged the first five seasons in two months, I’m VERY apprehensive about continuing, as I adored the first five seasons. It made me fall in love with watching TV again and it’s a show that is right up my street as I’m a big horror fan. But I don’t know if I want to continue or not as I’m worried it’ll kill my love for the show.
You made the right choice. That ending is perfect.
@@evanvaughn4295 I’ve got all 15 seasons now. How bad can it get? 😂😂 I’m going to watch them all just to at least give them a chance 🤓
@@katiebird6929 Yeah good luck haha. There's good and bad in all of them but you'll definitely start to notice them running out of ideas as it goes on.
Have fun with the watch tho!
@@evanvaughn4295 I will do 🤓
I literally commented about this 9 days ago, but I'm changing my mind,
I just binge watched through all 3 end seasons of the show 13-15, and honestly wow. What a difference it has made, going back and watching the show a year or so after seeing the ending, first time around I hated it, worst ending to an even worse show in the end, it had become what I thought at the time a joke, something to laugh at and to become mind numbingly bored and frustrated with, but after going back and rewatching it with fresh eyes, the ending was honestly really good, the last three seasons had pretty much nothing wrong with them beyond minor annoyances, the detective work wasn't as lack luster as I thought in the end, they still showed the gore and overall it had the same DNA the show had back when it started, it didn't stagnate our ability to watch and enjoy it did, years of obsessing with the show for myself had ruined it, so it wouldn't matter what ending it had because I wouldn't enjoy it after binging it non stop for so long, in the end the show didn't get the fan appeal it deserved, I think it ended on a nice high note, they got everything they wanted, no more demons or monsters to fight, no more big bad, just Sam Dean, their mum and dad and Bobby and all of their other friends in heaven together for eternity, an eternal rest that they deserve after what, 8 in universe years of non stop battling and fighting and scraping by, this show was amazing, and the ending wasn't that bad at all, we all just got tired of the slight annoyances that built up season to season and cumulated into one big annoyance with the show.
Lucifer was looking like the enemy of my enemy character unfortunately he has to always be the bad guy
I still love Supernatural.i didn’t love the British Men of Letters or they arc after Jack killed Mary. Also, don’t you mention Stargirl as CW bad, because it is very good and does not feel like a CW show. It gets dark man. Way better than any other show on the CW imo
I had a whole video planned on why Stargirl is bad, but this took precident
Sheev Talks Why don’t you like it? It’s definitely not the CW formula
@Prometheus_V99 I don't think so. I choose not to be critical when I watch something. It's my escape from the world. While there may be some things I don't enjoy or think are lame, it doesn't usually take away from my enjoyment of the show.
My other problem is the contradiction between the four appearances of God.
I simply cannot see Chuck in Seasons 4, 5, 10 and 11 doing anything like he did in 14 and 15.
It's like the real God disappeared with Amara at the end of season 11 and a false one showed up in his place.
Though heaven before Jack fixed it was total crap and that was Chuck's design but still....it might have been a better story if the Chuck of seasons 14 and 15 HAD been an imposter....somehow
I think they had too many different writers on this series and thus no real continuity
Reason number one: Never rely on fridgin' to keep your series going.
to be honest, i totally love season 8. Season 6,7,9, beginning of 10 were okay, but now i am in the middle of season ten and something begins to lack here. I'm personally happy about god having a sister, because finally a supernatural character with an uterus that isn't just Sam's dead girlfriend, but season 15 really is just an abomination (and i have only watched the highlights on youtube yet)
As far as I'm concerned, the series ends with Season 10, episode 3. The cliffhanger from season 9 is resolved, all ongoing plot threads are merely 'concerns' rather than crises (so we can easily imagine that they can be resolved now that the characters have time to breathe and think), and the afterlives have reached a new reasonably stable status quo for the first time since the season 5 apocalypse.
Lol Yeah we started watching around the same time, tho I was 8 when I started watching it (Turning 18 this year). But what I wanted to say was it's a pretty bug chunk of my life that i'd been watching it so I can't fault it, and I know it's basically me sitting there watching it with rose tinted glasses but I can't help but love it, it's just so nostalgic for me I remember watching after school (Again I started watching it when I was 8)
All seasons after 5 are bad. The characters other than dean become a back seat. Sam became a complete bitch and keep getting caught and being a Dansel in distress character. They seem to forget about Sam going to hell and being Lucifer, yet Dean gets the mark of Kane and it’s a bigger deal. I honestly think Sam should have been the one with the mark of Kane instead of Dean. Sam was the demon side of the Winchester family and Dean was the angle side of the family. Let’s just say I’ve bought every season within the first month of its release. I have yet to buy 15 and really have no desire to buy it. I only have watched seasons 6-14 once where I can watch seasons 1-5 over 15 times. This show is a prime example of fans wanting more is always not a good thing. They should have ended it after season 5 or at least take 4 years to write a more compelling story rather than make shit up on the go.
I disagree with your point about season 4 and 5. It got rid of the threat of physically dying, yes, but in exchange they're threatened by things much worse than that; the seals, both sides of the war fucking with their heads, their families, and their lives, and saying yes to Michael/Lucifer.
Seasons 4 and 5 are all about Sam and Dean being small parts of the big picture. One of the most horrifying moments in the whole show for me was Sam telling Lucifer he'd sooner kill himself than say yes, and Lucifer just flippantly responding that he'd only bring him back to life. The idea of being unable to even kill yourself to escape what's happening because you'd just be brought back to life is much more terrifying than simply dying and being at peace.
This is solidified by just how much the angels fuck with their heads while treating them as little more than insects. The fact that they'll go to any extremes without a care because Sam and Dean are nothing to them. On the contrary, season 4 and especially season 5 had much higher stakes than seasons 1-3. It shows us again and again that they aren't superheroes who're just going to defeat the bad guys and save the day like they always do. There's a building sense of hopelessness as each of their attempts fail miserably and they pay the price for it. Hell, Dean gives up and tries to say yes to Michael. For me, that was when the show was at its best. I never felt like the characters had plot armour, or that the writers were cheaply extending the story like they did in later seasons.
The show promised us that the brothers wouldn't get out of it unscathed, and they didn't. Sam threw himself in the cage to be tortured by Lucifer and Michael for eternity, and that's where the show was supposed to end. It was final, and it's not Kripke's fault that they brought Supernatural back from the dead (ha) to make money.
Yeah, some dislike S4-5 for raising the stakes like that, but it was meant to be the final chapter.
Overall, its clearly the best of the "world threatening" seasons by far.
I actually agree with almost all of this, which is really surprising cuz I feel like I don’t see a lot of people who I agree with?
I watched Supernatural for the first time last year and immediately after the first ep I knew I was going to like it but then I binged the entire thing within like 3 months. I’m still obsessed.
Season 1-5 are amazing, looking back at them. I got so mad with how slow it felt when I was first watching it (I’m not used to the ep by ep “monster of the week” format and that type of thing has never been my style) but I’m going through my first complete rewatch with a friend (we’re in season 4 rn) and I definitely did not give it enough credit back then because everything was built up and put together and foreshadowed so beautifully and it’s VERY well done.
Season 6-11, while they definitely have their weak spots I think I actually enjoyed them WAY more the first time around than seasons 1-5 (which I feel like is considered heresy in this fandom, but it’s true). Sam losing his soul and the mystery that came with it was SO interesting to me, then the wall in his head, and him getting his memories back, and then eventually almost dying because of how much his hallucinations tormented him? That might’ve been one of my favorite plot lines from the entire show and I loved every second of it (except how it was resolved, I can’t believe basically 2 seasons of consequences were fixed so quickly, and HOW it was solved was so so dumb. Cas literally said “I can’t fix it… except that I CAN” and then literally only took the hallucinations, but none of his memories?? How does that even work? How did that even fix it?? That’s just my opinion tho) and then also Dean coming back from Purgatory with Benny was amazing, and then the trials was also one of my favorite plot lines ever. (Can you tell I’m a Sam girl? 😭) I think the finale where the angels were cast out of heaven might be the coolest season finale to EVER exist. Not only that but the idea of Gadreel possessing Sam without his knowledge or consent and Dean gaslighting him into thinking nothing wrong literally makes my skin crawl every time, and I think that plot line gave us one of the most interesting debates on who was right and who was wrong that I’ve seen in years. In general, while those seasons had some pretty low lows, the good moments were AMAZING.
And then season 12-15… yeah. I think the video summed it up pretty well. I hate Mary with all my everything but I do think she played a very interesting role and I wasn’t against her coming back. I think it was the most extreme “never meet your hero” moment ever. But instead of ur hero it’s the person who you’ve been trying to avenge and who you’ve been fighting for and missing and loving and raging for ur ENTIRE life and then the illusion of this perfect mother is ripped apart right in front of ur face. I think that could’ve been SUCH an interesting idea if they’d done it right, but unfortunately I don’t think they did. And then Lucifer, I actually did like that they didn’t try to redeem him. After all the suffering and death he’s caused, I don’t think he deserved that opportunity. But the fight where he died was awful, and I hated every second. His character definitely overstayed its welcome, although Mark Pellegrino did an amazing job. The multiverse was very interesting and I think that might’ve been what brought me back and kept me hooked after all the bad tbh. Jack, while I hated the build up to his a character being born, I did end up liking. Only him as a person though, I don’t think any of the plot lines surrounding him really stuck with me or interested me at all. I loved the parallels we were able to have between Sam and Jack, Sam seeing himself in the kid and wanting to help his torturers son was such an insane twist I would’ve never guessed. And then the way that Dean just becomes a John 2.0 towards Jack was also very intriguing. But every plot centered around him (losing his soul, dying, trying to control his powers) all the rest of it didn’t interest me at all. And then lastly, Chuck as a villain, imo, was awful. Maybe it could’ve been done halfway okay but they did it so terribly. It contradicted so much that was previously established that it felt wrong and cheap. They used it as an excuse to cover up their mistakes and then the finale went against basically everything that the entire show stood for, everything they fought for, so what was the point of them killing Chuck to gain free will? Just so they could die the exact same way as they thought they would in season 1? I have a whole rant about the finale that I can’t even.
But yeah, I agree with almost everything and hearing the hopeful “maybe the end will be better” was honestly depressing cuz oh boy does it only get worse. 😭
It should have ended after they beat Lucifer the 1st time. Season 11 would have been a fine end as well.
I hated Castiel from the moment he appeared...Season 1-5 was genuinely great, though.
I have a personal connection to this situation: I am a screenwriter/storyboard artist and in 2010 I lived in LA. I sent SUPERNATURAL show-runner Eric Kripke a Dean&Sam storyboard sequence I wrote & rendered. Mr. Kripke called me and we talked for 3 hours. He loved my work (and offered me work on his next series that failed) but explained he was retiring after the 5th season. When I asked about his 5-year plan, he explained that the crew had become his friends over the 7 years it took to get the 5 seasons in the can. CW wanted a flagship show, so they made him and offer he couldn't refuse- EVERYONE made out like bandits, and all Kripke had to do was make sure the show didn't go off the rails. (It did- but it took a decade.) Understand that a Grip that made $60K/year (not much in LA) made $120K/year EXTRA in profit participation & residuals- that is how lucrative the deal was for everyone. Because Kripke did not want to leave them all unemployed, so they got rich when he was done with it, because they all took over and did a decent job as stewards.
My point is also: if GAME OF THRONES show-runners, the idiots D&D had done the same thing, it would still be airing new episodes today, everyone would be unbelievably rich, and D&D would not be the laughingstock of Hollywood, and their STAR WARS trilogy of movies would have been made.
Lazy waiting, enterprise suffered from the same fate. Lazy writers ruin good shows.