Ableton Live 12 is the Most MIDs Paid Update Ever!
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2023
- Ableton Live 12 was announced earlier today & I think it's mids at best. You would expect this company to come harder (pause) seeing Image Line dropped a bigger free update for FL Studio a few weeks ago.
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Meh! Most of the new features were already in Bitwig 2 years ago
I have so many recurrent issues with Live 11 and my M2, they are not even able to help my at Ableton I have to figure things out myself every single time. I am not gonna upgrade anytime soon. They also should hire better developper cause there are many small features that should be improve it's been years. Not buying
Don't agree. The major update that you're sleeping on is better Max for Live integration. This means the ecosystem for new MIDI tools is going to expand. V12 is demonstrating that Max for Live can now automatically generate and transform MIDI data in the clips. I'm a Max developer. I can now make very different tools with a different user experience more seamlessly in Live. That's big. Expect new Max For Live devices in the next several months.
@@theflowthru You're built like a 12 year old girl... relax lol
the full version for Max cost more money... The free version you get with Ableton Suite is only for using plugins... lol@@estevancarlos
I love so much of what they are updating because it's almost all stuff that just in general should have been there all along... but it does feel like it should have been a free update. 11.5 or something.
Nah. It's fine. I'm upgrading from 10 to 12 so I'm actually pretty happy with all of this. Get a handle on your GAS and FOMO and you'll be fine.
I was on Ableton 10 until last year, the only reason I got 11 was because I got a super discount. I won’t get 12 until there’s a major update with a major discount.
I would until a Black Friday, not this Black Friday mind you
Do you use Max For Live?
I'll save my money for a Bitwig switch. Everything I'd like Live to improve Bitwig already does, as of now just too lazy to learn yet another DAW
I had Ableton Live 8, 9, 10, skipped 11, now I’m on 12.
I updated today from 10 to 11 because they included the 12er update "for free" when its released in jan´24 . couldnt say no to the 159€ sale offer
I def agree ! I'm a pro Ableton user for 8 years. Hit us with a mid update we should have had years ago. They should work on simpler to have free time stretch like Serato and get rid of the 5X 10X dumb A%$ stretch feature. off the soap box. good day.
FL 22 will allow you to put a chip in your brain to make beats in your mind, Ableton 13 will update their nudge feature 💀
Lmaooo seem like they asleep at the wheel bro
Ableton is 10x ahead of fl so there isn’t much to improve
@@dystopia-0616abtelon trash
@@dystopia-0616 I don’t know about 10x above, but I agree there’s not much to improve. I’m an Ableton user btw. I just wish they’d give a little more if we are paying for it
@@superdopesamplesas an fl user ableton is way better
Ngl I was expecting more like stem separation but the improvements in workflow are a welcomed addition. But you’re right that those features could’ve easily been an 11.5 update 🤷🏻♂️
Should have been free. Ridiculous. NOT paid upgrade worthy, imo.
I wanted to disagree cause I use Ableton and it’s been good to me, but you presented a good case. You got my like. This should be a regular update imo.
and meanwhile, as the live 12 beta reviews already confirm - once you go 12 you can't go back, like it's too painful, you're spoiled rotten lol - so of course everyone will simply just get this update lol
@@studioshitaketakashita7093 Lol hilarious
I feel like the update makes Ableton seem and look more complex. What I like about Ableton is how simple it is to use.
Absolutely bang on.
having the mixer available while in arrangement view is clutch for when i’m trying to level my tracks after finishing my beats but i high key agree
@@censoredialogue so true. I might upgrade only for this reason.
They have to add these midi things for the folks that don't want to learn theory and run straight to FL. This is the right thing for Ableton to do.
Totally agree. What chaps my ass is it's like they were purposely holding back features, and then making yhe most needed ones payed.
Workflow wise, 12 is definitely worth buying when you are coming from 10 like myself, which is what I did.
>coming from 10
yeah that's a given, coming from 11 definitely not.
Same. I just bought 11 on discount, it comes with a free upgrade to 12.
@@bugglebegger143 Iam on beta and wont look back at 11, its fantastic. There si so many small updates in workflow which arent even mentioned that makes a big difference.
i'm on 11 = how much is the jump from 10 to 12, just wondering... thx
I don’t get why everyone compares Ableton to FL. They seem like 2 incredibly different things.
Yeah they are quite different, but as the two most popular DAWs the reality is that they are in competition, as lots of people getting into production will decide to go with one or the other
@@rorz999 I don’t know how many users are on FL and Ableton, but I would be surprised if Logic and ProTools didn’t have more users.
@@TheWorld_2099way more users on FL
@@isomaticidk about compared to pro tools
20 years BOTH were called toy joke daws by real producers
if you bought logic on the app store when it came out, you wouldn't have to pay a penny for any upgrades to this day
I bought Ableton Live 11 and tried to get into it, but I'm just too ingrained in FL Studio; been using it since 2008 and I still love using it. With that being said, there are some tools in Ableton that I like above FL. But now that FL has stem separation, FL Cloud, AI mastering, and on top of that their top of the line piano roll, why would I switch? For me, it's cool to mess around in Ableton here and there, but FL still my main.
they been had Granulator in Live, the new one is V3
Indeed. Why pretend like Ableton is selling this as a novelty? It is called Granulator III, the clue is in the name.
I'm fan-boying over seeing the mixer in arrangement. It took long enough.
Meh… could’ve been a free update
UA-cam asked me you review your comment lol.
I also agree with this statement!
Fl needs to get rid of that mixer window it’s a literal joke
Tracktion Waveform gave me all the Ableton features I needed for $100.
Ableton does not even have sand box ing (the ability to use 32 bit plugins in a 64 bit DAW without crashing) Bitwig, Renoise, and Fl Studio have sandbox ing)
I JUST paid off my ableton live 11 payment plan…
😟there’s a payment plan option?
😂😂😂😂
bro i updated from ableton 10 standard to 12 suite, well worth the $300 upgrade for me
Agree. It’s a welcome update, but it’s underwhelming. I’ve been a serious Live user 15 years, so I’m not a hater. But honestly, live 11 is buggy as hell and I’m not sure it’s all been ironed out, yet. Now they want money for quality of life updates that have been present in other DAWs for years?! I just bought 11 this summer after finally reading that it’s a bit more stable and they drop 12? Geez. I bought a full copy of FL Studio on a whim two weeks ago and I’m having fun with it, so I’ll just ride with that until further notice
it depends on your workflow but FL can be very repetiting when you start a session and that gave me anxiety back then lol
The tuning isn't about finding the key and scale, it's actually modifying the ratio of frequency from one note to the next.
We use equal tempered tuning, meaning every half step is the same amount from one note to the next. Ableton's tuning offers multiple different tuning scales. One example is something called just-intonation, which applies the overtone series in a continuous ratio across the octaves. It's also allowing other microtonal tunings so you have more notes available than the standard 12 with equal tempered tuning. This opens up an entirely new opportunity for composition which is otherwise unavailable without specific tunings for microtonal instruments. This is a huge offering. HUGE.
There are plenty of people who don't need stem separation. Ableton's main market isn't sample based producers.
This update is great for composition and production. It just doesn't appeal to sample based beat making.
I'm currently heading the production of a live band hip-hop album. The racks and general workflow of Ableton when including these in a real life situation is actually super practical.
Yeah you nailed the philosophical difference between the two DAWs perfectly, couldnt agree more
You’re right and that’s why I’m leaving 🫡
The mad thing is it was Ableton that started with serious sample manipulation via warping in the first place!
Seems like instead of improving that they want to “out Logic Logic” by becoming the best midi editor in the world.
But so many people used their tools to avoid midi and use samples to compose. It feels like they’re going backward somehow..
And how useful is all this with push? Are you really going to do that amount of midi editing on push standalone??
It’s all bit odd.
Hopefully I’ll change my mind when I try it for myself.
@@SuperALBSURE Well, they did just include a huge improvement on autowarping audio, which has been ridiculously useful for me. Their autowarping is still ahead of anyone else's time stretching or tempo matching, so I don't think it's a fair assessment to say they stopped developing sample editing. I personally could not care any less about stem separation 🤷🏻♂️ haha. I can see why that would be useful for some people, but that's a niche market overall.
I do think there is room for improvement when it comes to getting audio into drum rack or simpler.
But overall there is still really advanced and intuitive sample editing and manipulation via Simpler, Sampler, and Drum Racks, especially when paired with the ridiculously extensive creative potential of effects racks and macros. Also, the modulation routing is being improved so that's yet another great improvement. Nothing is moving backwards by any means for this sort of workflow, though.
The sort of improvement Ableton needed fundamental UI changes, which takes a lot of work. Should they have had comping and visible mixer years ago? Yeah, sure, but now they do along with other UI improvements that, when you put them into the context of completing demanding projects, prove to be highly practical and aren't actually "boring" upgrades. I see them as useful accomodations that enable a more practical use for Ableton as a DAW on the whole. When it becomes an issue in real life for me, I'd not waste a second to withhold criticisms if necessary, or just look for something that does work. I just personally see these improvements and highly useful. The only other DAW I think offers competition is Bitwig for my production style.
@@remyvegamedia I just think that so many people who use Ableton will not get anything out of the improvements here. Mainly because so many people drawn to Ableton in the first place were not people who understand music in an academic way at all. That’s why the ability to manipulate audio was such a big deal. If you can’t play it, you can manipulate something that someone’s already recorded and make it what you want it to be. Hence why stems are a big deal for lots of people because people have dreamed of re ordering a bass line from some obscure 70s recording where you wouldn’t have a clue how to recreate that sound etc
I’d love to know how many Live users even know what all these scales and tuning stuff actually is? Most music you hear is just standard 12 bar blues or whatever. That’s 95% of anything anyone hears on the radio.
It reminds me a bit of Reason where they got so carried away with being a sound designing creative tool they forgot that people want to solve actual engineering problems with their DAW and finish records.
Like if I’m in a studio and an artist comes in with an idea to sound like xyz record or use an old sample. And I need to manipulate that somehow or get the chords of the record out. Wouldn’t it be cool to separate the sounds and shape it to what the artist wants?
DAWs are (or should be) problem solving tools to finish records in. If you’re just about inspiration or composing you can use any music tool or program . But the DAWs is for finishing things. And that means solving problems. That’s why they cost so much. You should be able to complete a whole record of any style using everything inside it.
Ableton just lacks a lot of tools to make it competitive in that way. It’s just a surprise they don’t want to plug those holes.
And how much they are charging seems a bit nuts. Might as well go the whole hog and just rent it monthly or something.
dude! Come on Abelton? We need stem separation and global key like Serato Studio.
how did they overlook that
GLOBAL KEY!!!!!!!!
MY god, how does ableton not have that already???
Nevermind I just looked!!! IT actually does have a global key now!!!!!
Where you choose bar length at the top and between the loop buttons is a global drop down for the global key !!!!! AVE!!!!!!!!!! your gonna have to update your review my dude! :D
The MIDI tools alone are easily worth the upgrade price. Then you get an upgrade for the Granulator, a new MPE synth and a multi-stage distortion. Anybody bitching about the value has clearly not bought any eggs, chicken or timber lately.
I guess I can't complain because FL Studio style MIDI editing capabilities is exactly what I wanted in Ableton and now we have some of those abilities like note chopping and probability generation. Ultimately, I think this is a worthwhile upgrade for people that want to stay in the Ableton ecosystem and the new instruments and packs are pretty dope too. I don't think FL Studio having these features already takes away from how important these feature updates are for Ableton users and I'm just glad we have it.
I don’t know about y’all but this is the Ableton I’ve been waiting on, I don’t use FL and don’t want too but I’ve definitely been wanting slicing of midi notes , strumming of midi and too view the mixer while in the arrange view. Don’t know why your comparing it to FL anyway but that’s why you feel it’s mids,too someone who’s been using Ableton for years and doesn’t want to use something else the piano roll update alone is a great update!
they didn't highlight it but i saw they added note length options separate from grid and added option to record sustain pedal data as midi.
I bought FL after moving on from reaper and I really didn't like the work flow. Ableton just felt good and I see no reason to move from it. Sure FL has midi features for click and play musicians, but I play guitar and my theory is pretty good. Those features would just slow me down.
I'm perfectly happy with live 10 but I'm upgrading to 12 for a few reasons. At this point the features are for the marketers 90% of the time
I bought 11 not quite 2 years ago. It was a bit too buggy (including high processor usage) for my patience for a fair few months. So I will certainly hold off upgrading. But… there has been a few cool updates through 11, particularly Drift and MPE. I’m sure 12 will have more goodies to come. The “Top” Suite upgrade pre order with 20% discount is £143…. Its tempting but… nah! They gotta work a bit harder than giving me automatic music making tools… I’m not into that. I hit the notes like a rabid monkey and pick the best bits.
A better drum grid UI would be nice, and you’re right… Live’s piano roll is not the best, i find it tedious.
A problem Ableton the company got is that (more than) most the functionality needed is there already… particularly if you’ve been using peoples Max devices.
New users… they’re probably getting a great deal with 12. Its Close to 200 for me without the discount…. I’m gonna need more goodies thrown in.
Stay Safe Ave!
in the same boat
Ableton is an utter pig to use CPU wise, you almost need a desktop computer to run it
@@sawtooth808 which DAW allows you to "power use" on a laptop, pray tell? lol
My take is that Live 12 marks the beginning of a shift in the company’s profit and monetization strategy. That’s the focus and not so much this iteration of Live. In addition I see more flexibility and fluidity which will make way for smarter tools and ultimately some sort of a subscription model.
Mhh, what shift would you expect?
Eye Candy UI (It's already gotten better with 11 compared to any other version before, and even more so now with 12) better stability, VST plugin crashes don't crash the DAW and more fleshed out prepackaged Synthesizers instead of the Lego Brick Style of having to create your own synthesizers which takes up time/workflow and CPU usage.@@CrazyHorse151
You sound like a stock broker. Lol
What exactly are you saying? Where's the evidence for a shift in the company's profit and monetization strategy? They are still closely following past release patterns. There was a 3 year gap between Live 10 and Live 11. The same for Live 12. The content of the update is also not unusual.
Like all companies, if the focus switches from the product - to pure profits - they will slowly die. Also, musicians aren't the biggest fans of subscription models. At least not forced ones.
that's what fl's been doing - the cloud, the AI stems... come to think of it, having offered lifetime free updates since forever, it's amazing fl's making money...
I love the push 2 but do you know if there is an alternative for FL Studio?
Novation FL keys
Thanks Ave I’ll look into it 🤘🏻@@AveMcree
Akai Fire
Damn is Ableton becoming the Apple of daws??
Tuning should be complex thats the biggest thing I want them to add. native non 12edo is huge for microtonal artist. and it should be complex and adjustable.
I agree Ave , i would expect stem thing and also dynamic Eq ...You ve got my like.
That being said , i ve paid for the upgrade because i am a Live user ,maybe other features will apear on next year update.. (free ?)
I grab a bag of popcorn every time I see Ave is releasing a video about mids!
Besides stem separation, what would you like to see them add?
Auto-beatmaking
“Ableton, make a bad ass beat for me“ and have it give me five options.
😂
New sound engine, update for simpler. Basically it should sound better. All these new devices and workflow additions are pretty much redundant for the majority of users. The most used things stayed the same
I wish Ableton would have upgraded their audio effects rack like their EQ with dynamic compressor. Fix their delayed compensation issues, add chord features in piano rolls, mainly focus on recreating simpler, and changing UI on their instruments like Operator and Analog needs a massive update. Especially fixing their CPU issues and putting plug-in hosting & crash protection.
@@tommylloyd5119 now THIS is a solid critique…good stuff, which would all make a big difference.
@@tommylloyd5119 👍
fl stem ai mastering stemseperation + sample thingy isnt free?
I switched from Ableton to FL - #1 Piano Roll - #2 Stem separation - #3 Audio routing - #4 Pattern & Automation. Not that Ableton is bad, it's just faster and easier w/FL plus it's more cpu efficient.
Boi its about the integration of the tools and to be available in the program finally fully integrated...not what other DAWs have or dont...
I've been using Ableton since Live 6, and It’s been great. Both as a musician/producer and teaching music production at a university. Right now, with this update, I'm not quite sure if I will continue/upgrade or make a change, both for my self and what I recommend for my students. I really love Ableton...but this update actually made me doubt a bit. Some of the new features should have been fixed a while a go (and not as a paid upgrade). Other daw's would probably have made several of these updates without having to pay 1979 NOK (249 usd) for an upgrade, and this is with the pre-order 20% discount. This update is about the same (actually more) as buying a license for Logic, which includes future updates..
you're better off having invested in either fl or bitwig. heck for teaching at school maybe even do some Reaper
Maaaaaan wth lol needless to say this definitely should be a free update, not charge us, and how dare they not integrate stems and or AI mastering or SOMETHING of the sort when that's clearly the wave right now, did they miss the memo ? Hmm come one now smh I'm passing on this one 😂 I don't need it personally. This is why imageline have the goat sauce in every way you look at it hands down.
I been team Ableton from the start,13years on and I cannot get the updates that I need to speed up my workflow 😢. 1) one button to by pass all plugins so I can export all tracks for mixing .
2) plugin window in mixer view. Cubase, logic,Luna all got it Ableton reserves that space for DJs and the clips . I mean make a Dj version for them and another for mix engineers.
i just want to be able to quickly, sample straight into the simpler, just like an mpc or maschine
Very realistic perspective! I think that's why they released the Beta first to get peoples thoughts and later follow with the release next year sometime. I do hope Ableton gets stem separation like FL lol!!!
I've got the producer version of FL from a few years ago. I'll just use that instead for the stem separation. I almost pulled the trigger on moise based on your video, but I think FL will be enough for now
@@Kevinschart hard to bet against those *lifetime free updates* gotta say!
I only use Pro Tools and Ableton so now that you’re mentioning that FL have all those features already and free updates forever? I have to check it out
but it was interesting to see they dropped the price on the stand alone version of push 3 $400. dollars obviously for a limited time
I'm coming from Live 10, so this update seems awesome LOL
The changelog looks better than the announcement video imo.
I love Ableton's flow but I mostly go to FL, personally I think they should have released this update later with more new features for their most loyal users.
bought it ONCE during that covid sale, because i felt a bit obligated/guilted after bootlegging it for YEARS... i figured i'd wait out this round, and maybe update at version 13, but i hear you can't skip versions and still get the discount as a licensed user? if that's the case, it's back to bootlegging. i'm broke too!
I thought Ableton would be able to edit (correct) pitch on vocals and i can see what key it is in....kinda like Propellerhead Reason but better and Stem Seperation like Serato Sample better...but 🤷🏾♂️.
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The only DAW that has my respect with each update is Studio One, and it's because they have a poll system for new features and actually listen to producers and musicians.
they dropped rewire in version 6
Interesting take. I’m interested in the greatly improved piano roll, set to scale, and some midi generators. But I agree, they seem to wait to implement the ableton take on things like ai/stems. That was a mistake no amount of pretty helvetica is going to mask. I do have a lot of max for live tools I won’t give up.
i can see someone who's gone heavily into max 4 live to accomplish all the new "in-house" "new features" of 12 being most especially piqued by this - you make a very very good point
Agreed although I own all the main DAwS and keep them updated as new features are always welcomed. Free updates 4life❤
It feels like they're doing what MMORPG game studios do, which is withhold a multitude of QoL features that should have been in the base game or a free patch, and instead pack them into a lackluster paid expansion. I'm glad I chose to buy Bitwig recently. I'm getting way more enjoyment out of learning and pushing the limits of their ecosystem after 15 years of using Ableton than I think Ableton 12 could have ever provided.
As a "HUGE" Ableton head, FL is starting to look better with the dope free updates. If I can get pass FL Studio workflow, I would use it religously.
I’m wit ya Ave and I’ve been rocking with Ableton Live since 2009 smh … this update is lame and they are charging existing customers $180+ smh
10 years ago I escaped the crash fest that was 'Live9'. Having just bought an Akai Force, my MBP now being 11 years old, I thought I'd fire up 'Live' again. Found it to be the same old same old. Tried the demo of 11 and it's rock solid. Had thought about upgrading but this morning find the upgrade, which now includes12, will not run on 'Catalina', the last operating system my MBP will support. Thanks for that Ableton.
Well that’s unfortunately the point, of them doing major “under the hood“ updates. They didn’t do that to screw you, they have to optimize for the latest processors and operating systems.
It sucks because it’s expensive, and every few years, we have to update our machines.
@@TheWorld_2099 I understand that, but where I feel "screwed" is in the fact that a top of the range software product I paid a premium price for 10 years ago does not work. Well it works for 10 minutes the crashes. You can't blame the hardware. The Motherboard was replaced with no change. This also obviously cancelled out the software download/installation as a cause as well. To blame VSTs etc is also BS as they work fine with several other DAWs. To blame them is just to admit the software can't handle them. On top of that and given my main reason for upgrading Live8 Suite to 9 was to buy and run 'Push', in less that a year with no improvements to stability of the software, they wanted me to trade in my (apparently now obsolete) Push on a 'Push2', paying even more that I'd paid for Push(1) as well as give back the 'Push' I had paid top dollar for. Nah I don't think so. I think 'Live9' was the best thing that ever happened to 'Bitwig'. Personally I moved to 'Studio One'
@@Jazman342 I’m blaming the operating system….
But the hardware is related to that, because Apple updates their OS so much, they start stripping out older or 32 bit or Intel functionality, so then you need to operate under Rosetta
I hate to tell you guy but you’re going to have to update that computer. And I I get it (2012 MacBook Pro user here) and it works perfectly fine except for the fact that you can no longer update the OS, leaving my well working dinosaur behind…it sucks, but you can always look for a legacy download of your old copy and try to install that
@@feltfive322 looking at an m1 air atm. Just to host Live12 and vsts. Keeping the mbp as I need it to use my FireWire 800 digital mixer.. Sort of ending up with an oddball collection. Btw. Live11 was totally stable on the old mbp whereas 9 was still a total crash fest. Kind of strange. The only reason I updated from 8 was to buy Push, about the day it came out. Within a year, rather than Fix 9, Ableton released Push2..
They did make me the totally generous offer of trading in my Push and paying more than I paid for it originally EXTRA.. I’m like “ yeah nah”. Got into NI and Maschine after that followed by MPC and stand alone.
I hope the UI improvements was them paying down some technical debt and finally getting their house in order around the UI implementation, and we see better velocity going forward.
Overall it really is an update mostly consisting of making stuff that was bad good, instead of innovative new features.
I just hope that maybe there are some small workflow improvements that they actually didn't bother to mention in the video which would make this update worth the money.😂. One thing I hate about Ableton Live's piano roll is that I am unable to record MIDI directly into the piano roll. The option is greyed out, and instead, I have to record and overdub on a MIDI track. Why??? 🤯 It was not like this in previous versions of Ableton prior to 10 I believe!
I should of stopped at 9.7
Great take, Ave! Ableton has become super jealous of not just FL, but also Bitwig. And the "smart" choosing of samples looks suspiciously like the design of Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt 7. I like most of those features (though did we need yet ANOTHER MPE synth, since Drift is not even one year old?), but those should have been in there ever since Live 10, or even 9. And there have already been tons of granular devices for Max for Live for free, including a KVR tutorial on how to make one yourself! I didn't need stem separation that much tbh (since I use UVR). What I really needed was some sample editing features that literally every other DAW ever has, yet Live is stuck in the past. The new piano roll seems cool, but it seems they only added it last-minute because of pandering to the FL crowd.
Yeah bro adding new features and improving the piano roll is bad 😂
like cubase is trying to bring in studio one features, it's like the ableton guys are checking their notes of the rejected ideas from the dev's who split off to found Bitwig. all this MPE catch up. *suddenly it's important!* it wasn't important before, you canned those dev's and laughed them out of the building - and here you are a few years later suddenly putting those "scratched off bullet points on the backburner" now front and center! competition is good - keeps 'em honest - with the plethora of tut's out there on ableton, Bitwig is gonna have to now innovate some more to "keep their lead" otherwise it'll just be easier to resort to ableton - once it can do all the things Bitwig can do
Im ok with the update. Plenty of QOL additions which were needed. I have the suite so my upgrade price is a little steep considering I don’t use so much of it. Im not going to downgrade so I’ll suck it up and upgrade. Ableton looks like it’s back to annual updates which they moved away from years ago.
Ugh. You can tag everything! Roar is insane too, set it to multiband mode and you have a low latency band fx rack. The new synth has modes which aren’t available in most paid synth plugins.
There’s so much more too.
Yeah, there isn’t major upgrade level changes. A Live 11 update to fix all the things they broke and you can stick at 11 for the foreseeable future.
Personally I think those UI and piano roll update should be shipped when Ableton 11 released . That should be the case if Ableton`s team thinking about rewrote the codes and start adding new techs in future . I`m not sure what makes they suddenly thinking about rewrite the code right now not years ago ? I guess they`d underestimate what another DAW company will do in span of 3- 5 years or maybe Push3 really need those code overhaul to make work better .
BTW if you`re still in Ableton 10 , I believe you`ll be glad with A12 features , though I`m still not found video ( yet) about performances improvement in this version .
You’re kinda being too harsh on Ableton. But since Ableton values your input hopefully they’ll listen to you and others!
"Truth be told" is that making Live easier to navigate could have been done in a minimal update that could have been free - in 2013.
now i loooooooove the ableton midigrid/keabordroll and the way it look like an excel sheet, but still basicly agree with u on everything ._.
I just upgraded to Ableton 11 Suite in Sept. 22 and I’ll be damned if I’ll pay another $200 for the upgrade! Hell to the nah!!!🙏🏾♊️
They usually offer a free upgrade if you show that you paid money recently…
Ask Customer Service
If i would of known ableton 12 was comming early 2024 i would not have bought 11 a couple months ago.. everyone predicted 12 coming out in a few more years, i guess the internet was wrong. Dayum.
@4:02 It's Granulator III you got Granulator II in Live 11 suite...
Like you said & i agree: ABLETON NEED TO STEP THEIR GAME UP. They aren't listening to the community. I saw the video before i checked yours out & I seen MINOR features. I'm an Ableton head for 10+ years & I also have & love PUSH. But it's ONE thing that IRK TF outta me is: SIMPLER need to upgrade. PERIOD. I love it but it should be up to par with Serato Sample. Being able to interface with SS thru PUSH would be the biggest game changer. If they did that I would STFU & wouldn't ask of anything else.
Lots of things in the update are already in FL and Reason especially
THIS HIT SO CLOSE TO HOME , I HAD TO PULL THE SHADES LIKE CURTIS Mayfield
The update price is OK coming from Ableton 10 or earlier. After having paid for the 11 update it should be less than $80 or 60. If the Push could now do almost everything like a Maschine or if they had added stem separation, something like Shaperbox and included something like Melodyne Studio, that would be worth $200.
The price to update is ridiculous! $ 183 on sale , then it goes to.$229! From the suite.
It’s like $60 a year when you break it down. Really not that bad especially considering how lots of other creative suites are priced ($10 /mo, $120 a year).
I think they should adopt the Bitwig model where they have a yearly fee that allows you to get all updaters during that period. I kinda agree that it's not a massive jump into the future.
I own Live, Bitwig and FL Studio and I can honestly say that Bitwig is the future. It's so elegant and is getting better and better....
i must say, this is my biggest fear!! i hate that payment model sm
@@SurroundeR22 Bitwig really really had to backtrack last year on their proposed failed update scheme of Unity proportions - i'll be still teaching next spring at a college and thankfully the Bitwig edu pricing is the only reason they'll get me to return on the licence at this point - i've paid in too much to keep them afloat during the "wilderness years"
I agree. A lot of this stuff isn't that useful for me personally, and some of the stuff - like seeing mixer in arrangement view should already exist. Would love to be able to resize windows in free floating form like FL Studio, or at least see something like arrangement/session view at the same time. Once again, something that seems basic. As a long time FL Studio user though, nice to see the piano roll getting an upgrade...It's amazing how many people rag on FL Studio. It is an extremely powerful tool.
As an ableton user, this is 1000x valid. I wasn’t expecting live 11 when it came out 3 years after 10. This is way too soon for a paid upgrade and an underwhelming one at that
and kinda forcing you to go for 12 otherwise you'll be stuck with bad workflow like might as well cut off your turntable scratchin' arm 'n all lol = totally copied bitwig forcing you to pay for a significant workflow/quality of life update you kinda are gonna find it hard to ultimately live (see what I did there?) without
From them bitwig took it all 😂. And FL studio is way ahead .
A crossover daw of Ableton x FL studio might be the artificial dream for many of us .
Bitwig doesn't have rewire, and with live 12 dropping rewire I canceled my bankcard to save my live 11 license
I think music companies need to give more with out so many paid stuff and it’ll pay them back in the long run when more people can access creative tools with ease.
Definitely. That's the FL Studio model and so far it's worked for them. Ableton is so popular though that I don't think they care
The thing that make ableton superior to fl studio is the fact that inside fl to use warp markers to time warp you sample you need to put in inside newtime which add a bunch of manipulation for no reasons, they need to make warp marker available to use inside slicex like the mpc and also inside the playlist like ableton/studio one/ cubase etc..
but who needs to "warp" nowadays? ok you don't do it in original edm - oh ok remixers 'n shit - like Martin Garrix woulda really made it as a "somebody" if by god he'd only been able to um "warp" lol
come on man! keep your pointless opinion for someone else! @@studioshitaketakashita7093
Fair points, though I do think 12 is a bigger jump than that from 10 to 11. Can't remember anything of significance at all in Live 11! Perhaps 11 is the one that shouldn't have been released and if the current one was 11, then we'd be happier with all the improvements?
‘Am is’. New favorite saying. Subbed.
I agree with you 100%. Most of the Live 12 changes I've seen won't improve my workflow. I've already invested in theory plugins, Native Instruments, Arturia, Stem separation etc. Live 11 is good enough for what I do, or these seem like cosmetic changes for a paid upgrade. All these DAWs and proccessing power on the computers that run them are so good that most exsisting users won't upgrade for years.
But this isn't a knock. It just shows that the legacy DAWS already do everything they need to do. But they need a few new features for marketing. It's our responsibility to not buy things just because they exist.
Cant say nothing about controllers though Ableton has so many things that tie into the Ableton workflow. So many companies copy off their scene workflow. I dont really care so much about the new features. I know they'll be cool at first, but being practical I just bang out beats not study chords to draw them in on a scale then act like i know how to play lol. If it sounds good im fine.
FL I did like the ghost notes though to keep things in the same scale. I think when they nail stem separation its gonna be good though. They were the second to implement the audio to midi thing then i think Cubase with the help of melodyne doing it first. I dont mind waiting. It might be more detailed than a simple process/bounce. Besides stem separation what else do we want/need dobly atmos lmao?
Setaro DJ Lite is free and does stem separation. I agree with you, no excuse but to have this feature in a paid upgrade.
Agree. Don't they make us pay enough already 🙄
I just bought Ableton 11 and looks like im getting the updated for free idk.
I was excited to see Ableton 12 .. on the verge to splurge ..until I realized it was only 11.5....no WOW factor ..!!!!!! 2 DAYS LATER ..im still gonna get it !!!!
Two different platforms every Daw can’t be the same. I like Ableton
As far as ableton updates go this might be the best one yet.
I like your honest opinion and review. And I completely agree that most of the new features could be in some update.
The piano roll update alone does it for me tbh 👌🏽
No way man. As a Live user since 3 , this update is huge. Its their most feature/GUI revamping version to date.
Sure its paid, but folks need to eat, so its understandable. All that said, i probably wont upgrade, just because i hate the clip/sample view looks in 10 and 11. Yeah... Haha
Did Live 3 have midi or was it just clip launching? I started on Live 4 when they first got midi. I know you're a true Old school Live user because you call it Live instead of Ableton.
@TampaRedd Yep, It was mainly geared towards Dj's from version 1 to 3. 4 introduced midi and vsti. It was also cheaper and safer at the time for myself just to use samples. Live was great for warping and mangling audio clips. It was EVIL- LIVE . Hahaha.
granulator has been apart of ableton since ableton 9 you can tell hes really not that familiar with the program but i do agree these could have all been done ina minor update these arent major changes
Granulator isn’t new either. I’ve had it as a M4L since like Live 10
Updating from Ableton Live 9, this is pretty dope to me 😂😂
Agree,
I wish Ableton would have upgraded their audio effects rack like their EQ with dynamic compressor. Fix their delayed compensation issues, add chord features in piano rolls, mainly focus on recreating simpler, and changing UI on their instruments like Operator and Analog needs a massive update. Especially fixing their CPU issues and putting plug-in hosting & crash protection.
This should have been an 11.5 update from Ableton, but I like their Melt and Roar and randomizing of the midi feature
This will be dope if it transfers to the push 3
New instrument, more MPE, more max for live and the file system etc feels like a push 3 focused update for sure.
I'm an FL studio user since fl5 i Guess, and i love it to produce, love The work flow love gross beat plug , but to do live act Ableton is much better, image line should Invest more on performance mode
nah, this is way better than 11 was. They aggregated loads of features from other DAWs AND Loads of VSTs I was using. now i can shed those to use the push standalone easier
FYI Push 3 Standalone is $400 off right now with the sale.
What else can they do with their basically doa device. Ebay is full of standalones and 12 adds nothing new that would make it useful for anyone other than being an overpowered, overpriced controller
A paid update that should've honestly been free.
I think I'll rock the version of 11 I already own 😂😂😂
I might upgrade now & wait to give a stronger opinion when it drop publicly
yeah same no cap