Live Reaction to - bts and "k-pop without the k"
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2024
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I'm not a MOA, but even as a surface level fan, I know that TXT are a very, very successful band.
That’s me. I don’t listen to them, but I support them and I like the few songs I have heard.
Watched their concert....so amazing.
Basically people talking about a band they know nothing about because they want clicks and want to push their opinions. Someone should teach them what Eminem once said, "The funny thing about opinions is that they don't matter."
That’s right no little box around BTS. Look how skillfully they dole out content for us throughout their enlistment! They know what they are doing, and we appreciate them.
I love the blipping sound! Boracity said: No free promo! 🤣
I appreciate that she addressed this and brought all the receipts. I find that Boracity is such an exceptional voice of reason. Girl really did a verbal mic drop to end her piece. Go Boracity!
❤❤❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏I think She is like Yoongi everything My Yoongi does she's does the same thing I have noticed
She still has that Jungkook video full of antis up.
Oh btw, I understand where that comment abt idol is coming from, but you should really check out "idol explained" bc there's so much more thought into everything in that MV that meets the eye. Xceleste has a video on it and so does DKDKTV. Thanks for reacting to this one so quickly, I had already heard abt this podcast dumbster fire and when I saw the title and thumbnail from boracity's premiere I was like "oooh she's abt to cook those podcast kpop 'experts' lmao" Borahae 💜
Well he did say they were "poking fun" at that concept of throwing random things because that's what haters were saying about their MV's (which is ridiculous to be frank) and they were being a bit ironic or satirical with that MV visually speaking even tho we know everything meant something. And John did watch an explained by DKDKTV on Idol. Sadly there are reactors that don't take the time or advice to do that and don't get that the mv is crazy cuz they are kinda poking fun at over the top kpop mv's. I watched one where they literally laughed through out the MV despite watching all their MV's before that knowing that it's not the norm for BTS MV's to be cgi over the top fests so it didn't click for them that that was the whole point BTS were making with the mv (and more of course)
@@roguechevelle yeah, I totally understand the message in between the lines abt K-pop and the criticism they were getting that BTS was sending with the visuals of that MV. Do you have a link to John reacting to the explanation from DKDKTV? Bc I did check before I made my comment recommending it and didn’t find it.
He should also watch the old video essay from ByStorm. It goes into detail about the traditional instruments, dance, and cultural philosophy. He comes to a conclusion that is just lovely - solidifying the BTSxARMY connection with a concept that is thousands of years old. I'll look for a link.
BTS has always been fearless!
I always watch Boracity's videos when they first come out. She's savage in this one. I love it. IDOL was BTS making a point with their music video. They used over the top everything, but it all had meaning, and it was a message to their haters. The explanation video explained it well.
Thank you for this reaction John and bravo Boracity! It was so entertaining watching her shine a light on the ignorant, misinformed and just plain spiteful and silly comments by this podcaster and guest and totally demolish their assertions. I didn't know K-pop even existed because I was listening to rock and pop greats (Beatles, Moody Blues, Bowie, Queen etc). I was hooked on BTS when I heard their version of "Fix You", so no, I didn't know k-pop. I just knew BTS and that they're Koreans. And I just love how they transcended language and genre as their creativity evolved. I thought that the guest was just trying to belittle BTS because of her xenophobia (you know, the only good Asian is a poor, struggling Asian?) Boracity's concluding statement is right on the nose and good on her for not pulling her punches!
Thank you so much for expressing your feelings - which mirrors mine exactly. I find her very petty and bitter. Your comparison between her and how siblings lose interest when a young sibling likes the same music is spot on. I don’t understand why she was a guest because there was no added information or professionalism from her. It was all her opinions masquerading as fact. And her saying Jk’s album is not Kpop - I mean… yes??? Is she mad than a kpop artist broke down walls and entered mainstream when BBang did not? So Taylor Swift should have remained a country singer? And how about Beyoncé now doing country? And honestly, I never EVER heard or listened to Kpop until I accidentally saw BTS and became obsessed. I tried listening to other KPop groups to see if I’ve been missing out on other bands, but they realized I only like BTS. Whatever label you may want to put on them… nothing will change that I like BTS - no matter their hair color, the genre, the language, etc. They always make amazing music which is rare in artists. Remember those vinyls you had to buy but really only like one song? I’m grateful that BTS albums don’t have “skip” songs.
Same. I tried listening to other groups and I very occasionally like a song but no other group clicked for me. An issue too is that ever since 2017 (and even before then) other companies have studied BTS and started doing things in attempt to match there success but most took the wrong lessons from it. They would copy the style or sound or a phrase even (like love yourself or love myself) in hopes they would make their groups successful but at the same time doing everything in their power to diminish BTS or tear them down (which is silly cuz they've been their meal ticket so to speak so why try to get rid of the one who makes the trends you follow? it doesn't make much sense). I don't understand who many kpop fans like the guest don't seem to want kpop to be mainstream but also want their favs to go mainstream by desperately wanting them to be recognized by the west by re-writing history like make your minds up. Nobody is denying that no other kpop group didn't try to break in to the western market before or that they didn't have some amount of success in a way but no one has smashed through like BTS has but they did so never changing who they are and have been, they have always branched out trying new sounds but they still do songs rooted in their core hip hop sound too.
What I’ve come to accept is that all critics or western AND Korean journalists talk to their perspective and NOT the truth. Some are very biased. But, as an Army I don’t give them any credit, because regardless, I love them as Artists and great human beings. They have and will continue to work hard do what they love and ARMY will continue to love them. It is what it is, LOVE THEM!!
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TRUST BTS. 💜
I love your reaction, John. 😂 we are with you. Go K-pop. ( go BTS ) yes BTS not a “boy band”,…
BTS have said multiple times that they aren't K-pop, so I don't know wtf dumb fans still think they're kpop bc they sing in korean, they are a lot of korean artists that aren't kpop and BTS are one of them
I find it funny for the guest to say that Hybe/Bighit needed money to refund the cancelled concert...like seriously?. I saw an article saying that Bighit operating profit for 2019 is $85M and if that number is not reliable, see Forbes' annual list of highest celebrity earnings for 2019. BTS is #43 with $57M and they still need money to refund?😅🤣. My math is not mathing here.
Even though TXT is called BTS’s little brothers I never thought of them as a BTS replacement. They are very different groups. Unlike Blackpink that is pretty much a copy of 2ne1, and now Baby Monster who is younger version of Blackpink 😅
I love BTS and all that they stand for extremely talented time caring passionate men BTS forever ♾️
Okay, so they wanted someone who is an “expert” on kpop, but a known critic of BTS on their podcast to talk about BTS, fair enough. I’m sure that there are people who feel that way. But they should have also had a Kpop “expert” who was a fan of BTS on at the same time so that there could be some kind of balance to this discussion. Because as is, you are only hearing one side of the argument that is being presented as facts given by an “expert.” Which is actually just belittling and downplaying BTS’s achievements without anyone to defend them or give ARMYs point of view, because there are tens of millions of ARMYs out there and are these people on the New York Times podcast trying to tell us that we’re all delusional and have bad taste in music?
The problem too is their "expert" doesn't exactly have any real credentials other then being twitter stan/ blogger that barely has anyone read their articles. There are journalists that have been writing for "reputable" publications for several years and that actually have interviewed kpop groups in person, mind you there is still those with extreme biases there and clearly don't like BTS but they have more credentials then this person has. There's even professor's and academics that have studied the subject of kpop, given lectures or written published papers that I think are more qualified then this person.
My first introduction to K-Pop is Wonder Girls during 2008-2009... My little brother is obsessed with their music during those times 😅... Especially he loves "Tell Me" so much there's a time I got fed up with him for the constant everyday looping of that song and some of their songs during that time as well ,😆
Re: NYT - honestly for years and years, I feel like the investigative journalists writing about news are good, but all of their "opinion" and "critic" folks are an incredible trash fire. Lots of racism, xenophobia, transphobia, people using the opinion pages to generalize their disastrous personal lives and call it general advice, etc etc....
I’m almost 70 and am so thankful that I love almost all music. Of course there are some things I don’t like, but I love Pop, R & B, Jazz, etc. I have heard A LOT of BTS songs and so far there is not even one song I don’t like… even the raps. I didn’t like rap before BTS, and actually BTS is about the only rap I like. I don’t like it when people think they are too sophisticated and above things like Pop. If someone doesn’t like it, that is fine, but don’t act as though it is beneath.
Do these people not realize how racist it sounds to say you’d rather hear the next Justin Beiber try to sing a Korean song than to hear Jung Kook sing an English song… or that there is basically no place for JK to sing English songs because they already have JT. There are LOTS of pop artists and I guess only JK shouldn’t be allowed to.
Moral of the story bts exist people hate cause the group they stan can’t compete, it’s not a drag it’s true. Every group has their own success, no one should be compare to anyone and just be proud of their groups journey and achievements. I only like bts but I get really excited when I see groups do well, but I see a lot of the groups fandoms start comparing to bts or black pink.. you don’t need to hate .. don’t need to compare just be proud. There is no next Beatles, no next bts, no next black pink, no next stray kids, not next Justin Timberlake, no next Michael Jackson. They are the next them and hating on any group just is weird especially when majority of these guys are fans of each other and look up to each other. 💜 Side note though I hate when people just hate on a song cause it doesn’t have this deep rooted meaning… let people make music they like 😭 and with jungkooks album “theirs no K-pop in this album” that’s the point he made a pop album. MORAL OF MY RANT be proud of your group without dragging others down and bts will never be confined into just K-pop, they are also hip hop artist, rappers, pop stars, r&b artist ect and your hate towards them won’t change it.
Amen! …about the main stream… and yes. Loud minority 😊
Haha…biting out tongues 😂
Being honest she was just jealous BTS success
Yes and she ex-fan🤡of course she is kpoper who hate and jealous BTS😂classic kpopies😂
@@jackcomeback1758 A lot of kpop fans say that but what they mean is they were superficial fans of them to begin with only liking them for 1 or 2 title tracks never having listened to any of their albums and for their looks, as a causal fan. Or they were never actual fans at all and are just lying about that to seem more creditable saying "they've changed" or "they're about the money now" etc
@@roguechevelle yes, really😂
@@roguechevelle its all about "im army but...", "im ex-army but..."😄
Well is not BTS fault if they keep put them in the kpop category even when they release pop music or japanese pop music. They are not thinking about the "k" in pop when they create their music. They could realese spanish music and the industry still will name it a kpop song just bc. They want to be free to realese everything they want like every other artists in this world. American artists can't relay bc they don't want to sing in other languages unless are mixed nationality. As a non american all this talk leaves me perplexed. Italian artists sing in english or spanish when they want to promote themselves outside Italy and no one making such a fuss about it. There is almost a collective obsession with categorizing kpop.
Exactly! It's not like BTS are the one who wanted it. Both Kpop and American Industry are just jealous of BTS and keep trying so hard to downplay them and salty that their favs can't exceed BTS greatness. But keep trying, you can't beat genuine artists.
Well not strange to hear this ecpected.
Whats true is that many americans think they are the best in the world of anything, how is it possible to only have 2 candidate for president one is 77 the other 81 thats their best😂😂😂
Just enjoy music and its sad how they are against BTS that never reacts with bad attitude
Why can’t it just can’t be a pop album, r& b album, hip hop album etc. because they are korean its supposed to be k pop
This is an issue we've been having for a long while now, the western music industry is now using the label k-pop to other Korean or Asian artists and keep them in a box away from their artists. It's become a tool they can use to exclude them from main categories against western artists. Every major American Music Awards (except the Grammy's) now has a kpop category and just like BB pulled in 2023 with nominating BTS members to only kpop categories I suspect AMA will do the same in 2024 (the AMA actually skipped 2023 entirely).
Позитивные , веселые , классные танцоры , красиво поют ...это БТС !!! Всегда хочется наслаждаться их творчеством !!!
БТС , БРАВО !!! БТС , БИС ....!!!👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍🔥🤝😄🥰♥️♥️♥️🫶🫶🫶🎇🎂💓🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹✌️🇹🇩
you are so red!!! i felt the same way when i watched this. ugh. 💜💜💜
Yes, I saw Big Bang via UA-cam with their song Blue. .. and that got me interested in K-pop.
And of course I’m Army 😂❤
@@luvsign1 awesome!
That unknown person who pretends to be an expert of k-pop when she just shameless unprofessional Big bang stand and hater of BTS is so annoying ..thank to Boracity Magazine to call them out ..all her contents are just amazing..thank you John 💜💜💜
Im not a k pop fan. Still not a k pop fan. Bts has never been like a traditional k pop fan
Exactly. It's strange cuz I view BTS almost like a venn diagram where kpop is a much smaller circle inside the big circle that is BTS. Sure it's a part of their story and what they do but it's only a small part while they are so much more then that.
Okay as a Brit and European I've never heard 'ring dong dong' as an expression it's 'Ring Ding Ding' or 'Ring Ding Dong'
Love Throgagym also! ❤
John ....you can react at History of kpop in 20.min..by dkdktv ...plizzz
Come on!
Yeah the premise to start off with is wrong like it's not kpop fans that have a problem with BTS releasing a handful of English songs. It's you. It's her personally and to get a platform on New York times podcast to talk about how she has a problem with BTS is wild to me then to also act like it's BTS selling out and not the bigger problem being the way that the American music industry determines what is mainstream is also being willfully ignorant in my mind
If BTS is such a try hard, common and not special at all, then where are the so called "better kpop groups than BTS" now? BTS is in military, this is the chance for other kpop groups to shine but they still can't beat BTS as a group nor as a solo. So what now?🤷
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Pleaseeeeee react to Hurricane by Jeremy Jordan in Death note musical
what can we do about this podcast ...it made me so nervous ..I was wondering if we could complain. ..?everything he said is so wrong ...and false
When it came out (some months ago) I searched it up on Spotify and gave it the lowest rating possible with a critical review if the content
@@mybiasisot7779 Same. actually maybe I should recheck that because I did that for a goodreads review for that BTS comic "biography" that came out (so so many issues with that like the boys drawn looking like white people and the military enlistment romanticized etc. It was a fanfic written by a white man who doesn't even like BTS and wanted to make a buck off army) but found out later goodreads deleted by review & score so I had to rewrite a review for it. So I wonder what the score is now for the podcast.
The most stupid thing that podcast girl told was that BH wanted to replace BTS with TXT. So a company that only has 1 group at all, would as a business consider to replace the biggest group in the world with a new group, that noone knows yet, and that a way different style? Like make it make sense.
Not that TXT was in the making for years, because no company should rely on just 1 artist to make them money, one stupid accident or else and it could be over. And also, TXT is successful in their ways as a Kpop group, one of the 2 leading boygrous of 4th gen, which would also be further down their career if illnesses shortly before their 1st comeback and then Corona didn't cut them off from live concerts and collecting experience. They were never intended to be another BTS, Bang PD is too smart to actually think that way, he like us fans and TXT themselves know, that BTS is an absolute outlier, a one in some decades kind of artist. Noone in their circle talks about another BTS, it's always those from the outside constantly yapping about that.
Still, as ARMY, I could tell BTS doesn't like someone to speak so bad about BIG BANG. BTS members genuinely admired BB, unfortunately were some issues. I was Big Bang fan in 2012-2013, I loved CN Blue, Shinee, DBSK and more, and I am still listening their music. The relation with BB was complicated, can't be reduced like this and I don't think now BB members think the same as some are saying. Competition is normal in this field and dirty games are there too. BB, DBSK, Shinee, FT Island, CN Blue and others were good, their music is still good. BTS is better. If a really good new rock band comes out now and breaks records, it means I won't listen to Scorpions, or AC&DC, or Bon Jovi, or Guns & Roses, or...... ?
Hello
I have said this time & time again ... KPop, its style & sound, was never inherently Korean. It is western musical construct this whole time, 3 decades of it. In fact, it is more than 3 decades, it is rather at least 15 decades, in the grander scheme & scale. Yes, 15 decades. Maybe even 20 decades. So when BTS starts singing in full English & continuing to make music in 12TET, et al, that means they are paving the way back to the origin of KPop, which is the United States & western culture. That is one reason why KPop, & specifically BTS (but also BigBang, BlackPink, etc), resonates with global fans, is because the world had also been inadvertently forced & subjected upon western constructed music.
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No I didn't I never even heard of anything 'kpop'. I only looked into kpop because of BTS and rejected kpop very quickly except for odd songs which I now realise is what happened with the majority of ARMY.
What is wrong with bts korean song they r better than their eng song music is music regardless of language why make eng song when americans r already making it people were interested in kpop beca it is kpop bts become big beca they r kpop
I'm sad to have missed the live Johnny but maybe it's good because this kind of stuff is so MADDENING! If someone is going to have a segment on a topic, how are they not doing research? No one is unbiased in this world, we get that... but they just come across as foolish, regardless of the topic. Boracity does a good job with her videos and ALSO makes it clear where her loyalties and biases lie. Integrity is so so lacking in podcasts and such with no oversight, but the NY Times?? WTactualF bruh. (My face when they compared mic drop to one direction and the jo bros --> 🤔🫠 )