I would argue the same, but the problem is that it would be a win-win situation for Rob. If he win, let's call it a defence, if he loses, he won't lose his belt due to Romero's inability to make championship-weight. Essentially, Rob had no stake in the fight
I think his sick kid along with the bone marrow transplant must have knocked some of the wind out of his sails too. Which you couldn't blame the man for either of course.
Yoel wasn’t eligible to win the title, however, he also wasn’t eligible to win the interim title against Rockhold. Yet it was still a title fight for Rockhold. The same logic should’ve been applied here. It should have been a title defense for Rob but not a title fight for Yoel. At the end of the day, Rob is still competing at 185 and proving he’s the best at that weight. If he loses, fair enough he still keeps the title because his opponent wasn’t at the same weight. But if he wins he still defends his title at 185.
It can't count as a defence of the title if Bobby knucks would still be champ if he lost if the title became vacant if he lost then I'd count it as a defence
Khamzat Chimaev is in that trajectory. But I highly doubt he'll beat Usman or fight him within one year. considering Usman is fighting edwards next and is rethinking to fight conor
@@Bibins_ im not gonna lie, i dont think CURRENT khamzat can beat usman yet, give it 2 more years.. Usman is a different kind of beast right now and id hate to see khamzat overextend himself and get sent to the shadowrealm like masvidal...
@@Bibins_ The Burns fight was a wake-up call for him. Yes he did win, but he faced so much adversity in that fight its clear he has work to do before challenging for the title, let alone double-champ status. It was probably the best thing to happen for Khamzat as he knows he's not invincible, can be beaten and needs to fight smarter and more technical in the future. If Khamzat just ran through Gilbert Burns like many expected him to, there's a very good chance Usman would have exposed him. For Khamzat, he needs at minimum one more fight before we can consider giving him a title shot. Everyone is saying Colby and I agree with this, the only question is whether Colby will agree to fight him. He'd be stupid not to.
@@Bibins_ lmao the UFC don't give a fck about Leon, if they wanted that fight they'd have announced it by now, Usman said he wants to retire soon and him vs khamzat would be ten times bigger than him vs Leon, ppv numbers would be huge he'd be stupid not to secure the bag I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if that happened, Leon's been on the side lines for over two years now with one win against unranked Diaz he can get fcked hahaha
Who would actually make that list? Most of the time when a champion has that perception around them, their title reign doesn't actually last long (defense wise) I suppose Nunes might fit on that list, as well as Chris Weidman but once Chris went up against someone his own age, he lost. Perhaps Robbie Lawler as well. Although to be fair, he was dubbed the Mike Tyson of MMA before his first downfall started and then his amazing career turn-around. For the most part, it seems like the ones that are not expected to last long, just don't. lol
@@venomousstriker4715 I guess it's strange to me because I was convinced Volkanovski was going to be champion way before it happened, as well as DC and Usman. I was complaining for about 2 years as I felt like the UFC was intentionally giving Max easier fights to boost his longevity as champion by keeping Volk away from him. I always said Usman was like Tyron 2.0 a bigger, faster, younger, and more dominant version of Tyron Woodley. With DC, he was undefeated and a Strikeforce champion, as well as King of the Cage champion. I've been wrong plenty of times, but I always felt those 3 were destined to have long reigns as champions.
Crazy how McGregor won two titles and never even attempted to defend either one. Just held onto them for dear life until he was striped. Dana White kissed his ass but only for so long.
Uhh.. yeah.. because Conor made them money…. Top 10 Biggest ppv sales for the UFC are almost all with his name attached to it… its called selling a product man.
@@luckyhodcastellana3366 it also calls itself a sport. If they let messi or Ronaldo play in every cup final even if they or their team didn't earn it, would be called into question - you're being disingenuous
@@stekelly9182 it would be disingenuous if the two sports were even remotely similar. Im surprised you would make that argument at all. MMA is an individual sport, fighters are individual contractors not belonging to a team and these fighters, are under one organization. Soccer is vastly different. And the organizations know for a fact they cannot allow players or other teams, (which are also organizations under the supreme organization) to contact, woo or tempt them in to joining their team. Im not clear on soccer never cared for it but if i had to guess they have something similar to the NFL and NBA, which is a trade deadline during the season put in place where teams cannot trade or pick up any free agents after the deadline, or as others would call it bringing in a ringer. Teams would lose their most valuable players to teams just for a chance to win a super-bowl or the NBA championship. All that shit goes out the door with fighting. The UFC has the problem of needing to make fights that both make sense in the rankings to be fair to those that earned it, and also make the fights that the majority fan base want to see. And when the most popular fighter ever in your company’s history and all of the fight game, by a vast margin wants to move up and become a champ champ instead of defending… yeah… you’re gonna do it. The casual fan is disingenuous in not caring or paying any attention to the myriad of great fighters and highlight reel killers that exist in every weight class and they only want the ones who are most known to them to be on their television. But, What’s also disingenuous are the hardcore fans and their self righteousness and lack of wisdom for not understanding that the UFC has to market and make money too. And fighter’s that can’t capture the public by hustling to grab their attention that falls on them also. That age old saying “you can’t please everyone”. You also forget the timing in which Conor got his fight at 155 and what the UFC was going through. Remember they were really at the time only fighting in Vegas and some other places around the world but they could never get into New York. Once they finally got licensed to put on a show at the garden who did they need to put a stamp on their entrance into MSG? Oh that’s right… their most iconic and popular fighter ever.. thats smart business. What is ignorant, self righteous, and hypocritical, are fans who decry stuff like that and pretend to hate it, yet they buy the ppv or watch it all of which is supporting the ufc. They’re not boycotting it. If that was the case they wouldn’t still be using Conor as a money making machine. But what’s worse, is sitting around judging them on what they’re doing which if any fan found themselves in that position they would be doing the same thing. Making the fights that make money for the company.
@@stekelly9182 he earned the fw title shot fair and square and smoked Aldo. Yeah he cut the line at lw but still dominated Alvarez, proving that he belonged in there. At the end of the day, you only get to be the champ if you beat the champ.
@@chad5577 can't disagree with that but the fact he remains in contention when his skills have clearly diminished is more evidence the anti competitive nature of decision making in mma. It doesn't reflect well on the idea of it being a true sport, which it publicly declares itself to be
Yeah and he defended it against a guy who couldn't make championship weight and went in bigger and healthier than he should have. It's worth more than just one title defense
No belt was on the line since Rob couldn't lose it. If a champion can't lose their belt in an upcoming fight, its not a title defence. It makes no sense that a champion can defend their belt and pad their record when they have no chance of losing it to begin with as the challenger was ineligible to win it. At the end of the day, Rob's win over Yoel is not and should not count as a title defence.
@@madgavin7568He certainly *could* have lost the fight though, against someone who was more difficult than the person he should have defended against. You get me?
@@madgavin7568 oh get over yourself. Had Romero won, everyone knows what would have happened. That Cuban freak was unprofessional; not Rob's fault. He trained for 5 rounds to defend his title against Romero. He fought 5 rounds against Romero. Not his fault his opponent was heavy. Rob did his job. Even if he didn't "officially" defend his title, he damn well defended his title, and you know it.
Triple C is Bw/FlyW 🐐 He did everything Mighty Mouse couldn’t do. Beat Mighty Mouse, defended against Tj (what DJ didn’t want to do), went up to win BW Gold and also beat former BW Goat Dom Cruz (what DJ couldn’t do)
It was just bad luck that Yoel missed weight that resulted in his bout with him not being a title defence. But had he lost that fight he would have gotten an immediate rematch anyway for the actual belt so he could have potentially defended his title.
Even as a GSP fan, I highly doubt it he would fight Whittaker or any of the top middleweights at that time even if he was healthy. He cherry picked Bisping as the easiest fight, and it was a smart decision: made money, won a belt in another weight and get out.
@@definitelynosebreather Fact. Seeing what success Bisping was having before the knockdown and sub, Robert would've definitely beat that GSP. Gastelum too.
@@definitelynosebreather he messed the middleweight division during that time, because it was suppose to be whittaker and bisping after he beat romero smh
@@bfk4276 PFP is *pound* for *pound* . Conor beat Max at 145, And max Had zero power at 155. While McGregor has only lost to Khabib, and DP at 155. both of which who either beat Max or would beat him. Unfortunately at their absolute best, it's *McGregor*
@@devinburkett9036 Connor didnt beat the best version of Max tho? I would say Max as a striker now is a way better striker than he was when he faced Connor
@@devinburkett9036 max was like 3-2 in the ufc and in his early 20’s with NO striking coach when he fought Conor. Don’t act like he beat the max on the record win streak lol
I feel so bad for Cody man. Lost to a roided up dillashaw and never seemed to recover. Who knows what would happened to his career had he not been cheated like that
It definitely does suck cody was on a great run! But usada keeps an A And B sample from every test they've ever taken for each fighter. They tested all tj's samples all the way back to the Dominick cruz fight and never found the EPO metabolites that they found when he was busted against Triple C. So technically he was clean when he beat Cody
Cody lost because of his own flaws as a fighter. You could see his atrocious defense and limited offensive game way before he fought TJ. He had one GOAT level performance vs. Cruz but that's him performing above his standards and level
For real, I don't think it's that big of a mistery what would've happened if Mir never had the accident. He would've dominated until Brock arrived and even then, who knows if Brock would've beating him without the experience of, well, losing to him before the title fight. Mir would be UFC HW goat and prime him vs prime Fedor would be one of the biggest what ifs ever.
Yeah, Hendricks had trouble making weight right after the UFC started doing more to test for PEDs and in those competitions he looked really, really bad, lacking the endurance *and* strength that had previously marked his success. My brain refuses to see that as coincidence.
A lot of people seem reluctant to admit how many of their favorite fighters had drop offs in their mma career coincidentally as these new rules with USADA were implemented.
A lot of people are making fun of Rockhold but in Middleweight this guy was a machine, incredible skill and dedication, had one of the most frustrating career in the UFC history : to this day I'm still hoping for a good comeback.
Too bad Rockhold couldn’t back it up. KARMA Killed his Title Run, and I’ll always thank Bisping & Romero for making Rockhold the “humbled Loser” he is in UFC History.
yup. this channel won't admit Jones lost to Gustafsson and Reyes but will convince anyone that GSP lost to Hendricks lol. I love this channel but they are always bias towards Jon Jones.
@@eetfuk3571 I disagree. This channel literally made an entire video calling out Jones over his flaws. Plus are you honestly unconvinced that GSP actually lost? The Gustafson fight was honestly could’ve gone either way but you’re right Jones clearly lost against Reyes
@@jay_1212 there's no way GSP lost against Hendricks. busted face don't equivalate to a loss and GSP got the edge of him but there's no doubt that the fight is highly contested.
this video popped up in my recommended today after I just heard about Jiří Procházka's shoulder injury and title vacation, hope he gets the belt back in the future and is able to get a defense
Tony Ferguson is number one he’s the only champion who had the most potential in history. Just couldn’t defend his legacy anymore because father time… rip your legacy will live on forever champ El Cucuy wooooo :(
@@Dan-oo8kg Problem is, Tony's been looking faint-hearted and gunshy ever since getting pounded by Gaethje. He seems to have lost the fire after his winning streak was shut down. He may recover, but some fighters never recover from a beating like that, and it seems Tony won't, as much as I hate to say it. Also, Jan and Glover are also bigger. The smaller you are, the more important speed and technique are, and those things disappear quicker with age than the skills needed for heavier weightclasses.
@@viljamtheninja love your accurate response! Age is actually a good thing at higher weight classes. And you were right about Tony. Except he was looking great until Chandler caught him with that front kick 😬
Also reminds me why I'm glad I don't build my fandom off of athletes who seem like real winners after a short run based on how hard the UFC sells them. The UFC has been selling Conor so hard over the years, but his failed submission offense and defense shows that MMA isn't his thing. With better cardio, boxing would have been a better home for his striking and his chicken legs would be safe from harm! Edit: I am on the Khamzat hype train, for shame.
As far as I’m concerned Bisbing lost the title when he refused to fight Romero and Whittaker. Everyone knew Hendo and GSP didn’t deserve the title shot over Rob and Yoel. GSP knew Bisbing was the easiest shot he had at getting the MW strap that’s why he didn’t fight any of the other MW champs.
@@PeterGriffingigity scared to fight Khabib but fights him 2 years later...... *Try* *harder* next time. *EVERYONE* was afraid of *Tiramisu* *TONY* THOUGH!!!
@@devinburkett9036 He finally got the ball when he saw how wack Khabib's striking abilities against Iaquinta and thought with some trash talk he will get into his head, Only to get a rude awaken when Khabib knocked him down and mauled his a. S. S. Stay mad McSaIty fanboy
Frank was the 1st person to beat brock, even though it was kind of a fluke, and frank was the only 1 to beat brock before the whole diverticulitis problems.
Bobby cleaned out all the killer's in the division and protected a couple champs like chuck did for Tito. He already had the hardest fights on his way there.
Easy to say when it never materialized, but for what it's worth, I doubt it. RDA's loss to Eddie wasn't his first loss and wasn't his last. He was very much a beatable fighter
@@CoachOutah "styles make fights" is the most cliched thing to say and means nothing. RDA had 7 losses prior to Eddie. Conor only had 3 and one was avenged. RDA was ready to lose and lost again to Tony right after to prove it.
I went over the Adesanya vs. Bobby Knuckles fight again in slow mode, and according to the rules, Knuckles actually should have won their second bout, in my opinion. IDK if he will even get a third shot. Sucks for him man.
I don't care what anyone says, that Romero rematch was a title defence for Whittaker in my eyes, it's such a stupid unfair rule. Robert made weight & Yoel missed weight by 0.2lbs, had the roles been switched Yoel would've still been eligible to have the title won, so it's only fair if Robert was eligible to have his title defended.
Its still not a title defence. If Rob lost to Yoel he would not have lost the belt. Its because of that very rule/standard that its not considered a title defence.
@@madgavin7568 I see ur point but what I say to that is, why is it that if a champion misses weight then he is ineligible to have a win officially listed as a title defence but is eligible to have a loss officially listed as a title loss. Using that same precedent, wouldn't Robert still be "defending" a stake (his title)
@@adz3654 If the champion misses weight, hell if anyone misses weight the title is not on the line period. It becomes a non-title bout. If the champion loses, they don't lose the belt but still have an official loss on their record and you can almost guarantee that there will be a rematch for the title.
I think if BJ would have stayed in the UFC and never left, giving the company a chance to catch up to him and his body a chance to rest in between bangers, i think he would have been far greater than he was for way longer. All the punishment from bouncing around instead of just training and getting better cost him dearly, but he is still one of the best to ever do it in my eyes.
Though Tecnically Bobby didn’t defend against Yoel, he still trained for a defense, he had his mind set on the defense and if Yoel had gotten the decision, that would’ve been quite an awkward situation for it
That's not a title defence. And why is this? Because its a win-win situation for Rob regardless of what happened. If he lost to Yoel he would not have lost his belt.
Seen the title and cover of Rob and was ready to comment about it but nice to see everyone defending him in the comments. Extremely unfair to classify Rob on here due to the fact Yoel didn’t make weight.
Afraid? He just saw more money and went after it. Why starve to stay at featherweight when you beat the champ, Max Holloway and Dustin Poirier. He went up to welterweight because he didn't want to stay inactive since RDA got hurt lost came back won then beat the lightweight champ to become a 2 weight champion. Left to fight Floyd and made 100m for it. He also made multiple companies. Came back and lost to Khabib. Not defending a title isn't a coward thing if you can do other things for more money.
Chris Weiman beat Silva cause Silva was playing around the first time they fought the 2nd time Silva broke his leg, so I really don't know why he's got this hype behind him if he really never beat Silva in a real fight
He legit beat Silva both times though dude. Its been almost a decade, time to get over it. Doesn't matter if Silva was "playing" or not, you take your opponents seriously or you lose. And Silva lost.
Oh wow, you're still making excuses over that fight? FFS, Weidman had Silva's number. He won IN SPITE of Silva's taunting, not because of it. Silva won many fights prior by taunting and dancing around. Read Jack Slack's article 'How Chris Weidman killed the king at UFC 162', its everything you need to know what happened. Stop the excuses.
I don't think Conor really cared to be a champion for the reasons most MMA fighters do, he just wanted the leverage to cash in on it. Can't blame him if that was his goal cause he made his paper, he'll just always be a paper champion in the history books.
If anything Conor has displayed he is a fighter more than anyone. How many other fighters would stick around if they were worth 200 million??? If he only wanted money he would have stayed in boxing... You are a paper champ if you inherit or win a vacant title... PLENTY of fighter's i don't like but i don't live down there achievements as a result.
that utter bullshit lol. Stop changing the narrative to defend him. he was a 2 hit wonder that came in at the right time and faded into obscurity when real competition came into the game.
You can call him a paper champ at 155 but not 145. He beat a murderers row (porier, halloway, mendes) then fought the guy who everyone said was unbeatable and KOed him. 155 was a decent win but khabib should've gotten a shot before conor amd conor lost to Khabib so I could see why someone would call him a paper champ there
@@mpforeverunlimited Bro your just using what terms make you feel good. That's not what a paper champ is. Mcgregor may not have been a good champ for the division but he was not a paper champ. He was the legitimate champ, then the UFC stripped him and he wasn't the champ from then forward.
@@carphucker2973 yes Izzy won the fight on the judges score card, but Whittaker should have actually won the fight. He dominated the last three rounds. It's not hard to understand what's insinuated as it's written clearly, you just have a hard time understanding what it means.
@@madgavin7568 what this tells me is that you either: 1) didn't watch the fight 2) have no idea how to score a fight. Rob 4 takedowns. Definitely won round 2 with all the control on the ground and clinch. There is no other deciding round. Rob won 2,4 and 5 without any doubt. You just hop on nuts and wait till they bust and the new guy cums along? Serious questions...who do you believe won Usman vs Convington 2? Poirier vs Halloway 2? Halloway vs Yair?
Johnny didn't beat GSP go rewatch the fight, Dana saying he lost after the fight because he was pissed off influenced the narrative alot, just like he did to Sterling when he beat Yan 2 weeks ago
Johnny was a cheat, he was on juice. I remember in an interview close to fight day GSP offered to pay for Johnny's drug test. By no surprise Johnny declined the offer....go figure.
@@heveycreations4197 Yeah and then GSP signed the contract on the condition that Johnny would take a VADA test, both him and the UFC agreed on it but 2 weeks before the fight Johnny ended up refusing to take the test. The UFC pressured GSP into fighting anyway so that they wouldnt have to cancel the card. They went on to fight and I honestly think GSP won 3 rounds, Johnny did land heavy blows and GSP was wearing them but GSP has a condition that makes him wear the damage quickly on top of being pale white. We cant score a fight on who looks worst.
@@noahk6498 I know you don't mean it which is the funny part. Say all you want but it's not true. You're just trying to defend your boy. And it's cute...... guess
Conor didn't fight Nate Diaz twice for no reason. He fought Nate Diaz twice to duck rematches with Aldo and Max Holloway. He knew the Aldo fight was a fluke and that Max with more seasoning would smoke him.
I don’t care what anyone says, the second Yoel fight should count as a defense for Whittaker
Completely agree, Robert made weight which means that he had upheld his part of the contract for the title fight. It's a weird one honestly.
I would argue the same, but the problem is that it would be a win-win situation for Rob. If he win, let's call it a defence, if he loses, he won't lose his belt due to Romero's inability to make championship-weight. Essentially, Rob had no stake in the fight
YES. Romero is a steroid cheat
Still not a defense tho.. Never was on the line
The belt wasn’t on the like so how is it a defence...
Kinda unfair to Rob, not his fault Romero didn't make weight.
When Izzy moves up he’s gonna run those defenses up
Life unfair like that, no on is blaming Rob for York missing weight but he still didn’t defend the belt
It is unfair but the fact is it wasn’t a title defence
I think his sick kid along with the bone marrow transplant must have knocked some of the wind out of his sails too.
Which you couldn't blame the man for either of course.
Probably why he’s 10 🤷♂️
Yoel wasn’t eligible to win the title, however, he also wasn’t eligible to win the interim title against Rockhold. Yet it was still a title fight for Rockhold. The same logic should’ve been applied here. It should have been a title defense for Rob but not a title fight for Yoel. At the end of the day, Rob is still competing at 185 and proving he’s the best at that weight. If he loses, fair enough he still keeps the title because his opponent wasn’t at the same weight. But if he wins he still defends his title at 185.
@1:42 the lady on the right of the screen is Pecker Checkin on Romero😂
It can't count as a defence of the title if Bobby knucks would still be champ if he lost if the title became vacant if he lost then I'd count it as a defence
@@Manuelabor1978 bro I read this and instantly had to watch. 🤣 lost my spot in the video lol
How could you defend a title when the title fight was waived before the fight
@@Manuelabor1978 she wants that Cuban missile
the rob yoel 2 to me still was a title defense in my eyes
Yoel really won though
It’s not… he wasn’t defending the title - u can’t defend it if it’s not on the line
The people’s champ Yoel got robbed
Mero Mero The Soldier was robbed from that victory very badly 😔♥️🇨🇺🏅
If bobby knuckles lost he would've kept the belt how is that a title defence?
Hearing the Cody one year story, let's get top 10 fighters who went from unranked to champion in the shortest amount of time.
Khamzat Chimaev is in that trajectory. But I highly doubt he'll beat Usman or fight him within one year. considering Usman is fighting edwards next and is rethinking to fight conor
Lesnar would be 1 on that list
@@Bibins_ im not gonna lie, i dont think CURRENT khamzat can beat usman yet, give it 2 more years.. Usman is a different kind of beast right now and id hate to see khamzat overextend himself and get sent to the shadowrealm like masvidal...
@@Bibins_ The Burns fight was a wake-up call for him. Yes he did win, but he faced so much adversity in that fight its clear he has work to do before challenging for the title, let alone double-champ status. It was probably the best thing to happen for Khamzat as he knows he's not invincible, can be beaten and needs to fight smarter and more technical in the future. If Khamzat just ran through Gilbert Burns like many expected him to, there's a very good chance Usman would have exposed him. For Khamzat, he needs at minimum one more fight before we can consider giving him a title shot. Everyone is saying Colby and I agree with this, the only question is whether Colby will agree to fight him. He'd be stupid not to.
@@Bibins_ lmao the UFC don't give a fck about Leon, if they wanted that fight they'd have announced it by now, Usman said he wants to retire soon and him vs khamzat would be ten times bigger than him vs Leon, ppv numbers would be huge he'd be stupid not to secure the bag
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if that happened, Leon's been on the side lines for over two years now with one win against unranked Diaz he can get fcked hahaha
Let’s do the reverse of this list, title holders who we didn’t think we’re gonna hold the belt for long but became all time greats
First place goes to Aljo
@@Dash101 nah man too early to say all time great I was thinking lawler, usman, volkanovski, and even DC
Who would actually make that list? Most of the time when a champion has that perception around them, their title reign doesn't actually last long (defense wise)
I suppose Nunes might fit on that list, as well as Chris Weidman but once Chris went up against someone his own age, he lost. Perhaps Robbie Lawler as well. Although to be fair, he was dubbed the Mike Tyson of MMA before his first downfall started and then his amazing career turn-around. For the most part, it seems like the ones that are not expected to last long, just don't. lol
@@panspermiapancakes yeah chris weidman is one, maybe cejudo another one
@@venomousstriker4715 I guess it's strange to me because I was convinced Volkanovski was going to be champion way before it happened, as well as DC and Usman. I was complaining for about 2 years as I felt like the UFC was intentionally giving Max easier fights to boost his longevity as champion by keeping Volk away from him. I always said Usman was like Tyron 2.0 a bigger, faster, younger, and more dominant version of Tyron Woodley.
With DC, he was undefeated and a Strikeforce champion, as well as King of the Cage champion. I've been wrong plenty of times, but I always felt those 3 were destined to have long reigns as champions.
Crazy how McGregor won two titles and never even attempted to defend either one. Just held onto them for dear life until he was striped. Dana White kissed his ass but only for so long.
Uhh.. yeah.. because Conor made them money…. Top 10 Biggest ppv sales for the UFC are almost all with his name attached to it… its called selling a product man.
@@luckyhodcastellana3366 it also calls itself a sport. If they let messi or Ronaldo play in every cup final even if they or their team didn't earn it, would be called into question - you're being disingenuous
@@stekelly9182 it would be disingenuous if the two sports were even remotely similar. Im surprised you would make that argument at all. MMA is an individual sport, fighters are individual contractors not belonging to a team and these fighters, are under one organization. Soccer is vastly different. And the organizations know for a fact they cannot allow players or other teams, (which are also organizations under the supreme organization) to contact, woo or tempt them in to joining their team. Im not clear on soccer never cared for it but if i had to guess they have something similar to the NFL and NBA, which is a trade deadline during the season put in place where teams cannot trade or pick up any free agents after the deadline, or as others would call it bringing in a ringer. Teams would lose their most valuable players to teams just for a chance to win a super-bowl or the NBA championship. All that shit goes out the door with fighting. The UFC has the problem of needing to make fights that both make sense in the rankings to be fair to those that earned it, and also make the fights that the majority fan base want to see. And when the most popular fighter ever in your company’s history and all of the fight game, by a vast margin wants to move up and become a champ champ instead of defending… yeah… you’re gonna do it. The casual fan is disingenuous in not caring or paying any attention to the myriad of great fighters and highlight reel killers that exist in every weight class and they only want the ones who are most known to them to be on their television. But, What’s also disingenuous are the hardcore fans and their self righteousness and lack of wisdom for not understanding that the UFC has to market and make money too. And fighter’s that can’t capture the public by hustling to grab their attention that falls on them also. That age old saying “you can’t please everyone”. You also forget the timing in which Conor got his fight at 155 and what the UFC was going through. Remember they were really at the time only fighting in Vegas and some other places around the world but they could never get into New York. Once they finally got licensed to put on a show at the garden who did they need to put a stamp on their entrance into MSG? Oh that’s right… their most iconic and popular fighter ever.. thats smart business. What is ignorant, self righteous, and hypocritical, are fans who decry stuff like that and pretend to hate it, yet they buy the ppv or watch it all of which is supporting the ufc. They’re not boycotting it. If that was the case they wouldn’t still be using Conor as a money making machine. But what’s worse, is sitting around judging them on what they’re doing which if any fan found themselves in that position they would be doing the same thing. Making the fights that make money for the company.
@@stekelly9182 he earned the fw title shot fair and square and smoked Aldo. Yeah he cut the line at lw but still dominated Alvarez, proving that he belonged in there. At the end of the day, you only get to be the champ if you beat the champ.
@@chad5577 can't disagree with that but the fact he remains in contention when his skills have clearly diminished is more evidence the anti competitive nature of decision making in mma. It doesn't reflect well on the idea of it being a true sport, which it publicly declares itself to be
Not Rob's fault Romero was unprofessional. He absolutely defended his belt.
Yeah and he defended it against a guy who couldn't make championship weight and went in bigger and healthier than he should have. It's worth more than just one title defense
No belt was on the line since Rob couldn't lose it. If a champion can't lose their belt in an upcoming fight, its not a title defence. It makes no sense that a champion can defend their belt and pad their record when they have no chance of losing it to begin with as the challenger was ineligible to win it. At the end of the day, Rob's win over Yoel is not and should not count as a title defence.
@@Ssonelol Still not a title defence if the champ can't lose it.
@@madgavin7568He certainly *could* have lost the fight though, against someone who was more difficult than the person he should have defended against. You get me?
@@madgavin7568 oh get over yourself. Had Romero won, everyone knows what would have happened. That Cuban freak was unprofessional; not Rob's fault. He trained for 5 rounds to defend his title against Romero. He fought 5 rounds against Romero. Not his fault his opponent was heavy.
Rob did his job. Even if he didn't "officially" defend his title, he damn well defended his title, and you know it.
Speaking of the greats like GSP, Spider, and Bones…how quickly we forget to mention…Mighty Mouse!
Absolutely rediculous that he still doesn't get any respect..
I really want that trilogy fight with Cejudo,doesnt matter where
Mouse is the only one close to GSP in GOAT debate. A martial artist straight out of dreams. Perfection.
@@timbbo2122 wouldn’t say it’s rediculous but it definitely is ridiculous
Triple C is Bw/FlyW 🐐
He did everything Mighty Mouse couldn’t do. Beat Mighty Mouse, defended against Tj (what DJ didn’t want to do), went up to win BW Gold and also beat former BW Goat Dom Cruz (what DJ couldn’t do)
Robert Whittaker is always gonna be clowned on in retrospect for “zero title defenses” when he did nothing to deserve this
It was just bad luck that Yoel missed weight that resulted in his bout with him not being a title defence. But had he lost that fight he would have gotten an immediate rematch anyway for the actual belt so he could have potentially defended his title.
Mcgregor gotta be #1
Edit: List is legit.
It ain’t number one he never really lost them in the cage like the others
@@rootpooty23 Stop defending your daddy under every comment
@@rootpooty23 If Sterling retired one month ago he would be the GOAT by your standard
@@elbarto8282 mctapper fangirls have 1 braincell
@@rootpooty23 The list is literally undefending champs, he never defended. It's funny because he was so good.
Luke Rockhold- million dollar talent, ten cent head.
I can't be the only one who caught Tommy calling Rob's title reigh "welterweight" :D
Yeah mistakes like this happen.
Glad it wasn't just me haha
Its crazy how close we came to seeing GSP vs Whittaker or GSP VS Adesanya.
Even as a GSP fan, I highly doubt it he would fight Whittaker or any of the top middleweights at that time even if he was healthy. He cherry picked Bisping as the easiest fight, and it was a smart decision: made money, won a belt in another weight and get out.
@@definitelynosebreather Fact. Seeing what success Bisping was having before the knockdown and sub, Robert would've definitely beat that GSP. Gastelum too.
@@definitelynosebreather he messed the middleweight division during that time, because it was suppose to be whittaker and bisping after he beat romero smh
Rob would have pulled out, he doesn't have the heart for the game
I'm glad we didn't, his CTE would be off the charts if that happened. CTE suhks,
And this kids is why despite having wins over both, Conor is absolutely NOT above Aldo and Max in the 145 GOAT discussion
who do you feel wins pfp conor vs holloway
@@adityachhabra3492 at 145? Max
@@bfk4276 PFP is *pound* for *pound* . Conor beat Max at 145, And max Had zero power at 155. While McGregor has only lost to Khabib, and DP at 155. both of which who either beat Max or would beat him. Unfortunately at their absolute best, it's *McGregor*
@@devinburkett9036 Connor didnt beat the best version of Max tho? I would say Max as a striker now is a way better striker than he was when he faced Connor
@@devinburkett9036 max was like 3-2 in the ufc and in his early 20’s with NO striking coach when he fought Conor. Don’t act like he beat the max on the record win streak lol
I feel so bad for Cody man. Lost to a roided up dillashaw and never seemed to recover. Who knows what would happened to his career had he not been cheated like that
It definitely does suck cody was on a great run! But usada keeps an A And B sample from every test they've ever taken for each fighter. They tested all tj's samples all the way back to the Dominick cruz fight and never found the EPO metabolites that they found when he was busted against Triple C. So technically he was clean when he beat Cody
@@eddietapia3247 this^^^^
Cody fans will never understand this. TJ beat him clean
Cody lost because of his own flaws as a fighter. You could see his atrocious defense and limited offensive game way before he fought TJ. He had one GOAT level performance vs. Cruz but that's him performing above his standards and level
I instantly thought of “welcome to the Machida Er”..ror 😂🥶
I feel like everyone forgets how much of a beast Frank Mir was.
Until he met the beast.
For real, I don't think it's that big of a mistery what would've happened if Mir never had the accident. He would've dominated until Brock arrived and even then, who knows if Brock would've beating him without the experience of, well, losing to him before the title fight.
Mir would be UFC HW goat and prime him vs prime Fedor would be one of the biggest what ifs ever.
Frank was snapping limbs off for a long time
Still the most submissions in heavyweight history
Brock has never won legit. He was on steroids every fight.
Moreno win felt like a big deal too. Not really in terms of skills but just a pure heart and vibes ya know
Coleman had a nearly unstoppable double leg takedown. Only he could stop it by gassing out.
Yeah, Hendricks had trouble making weight right after the UFC started doing more to test for PEDs and in those competitions he looked really, really bad, lacking the endurance *and* strength that had previously marked his success. My brain refuses to see that as coincidence.
Same as Vitor and Overeem, all you have to do is look at the muscle loss , especially the sagging of Belfort
A lot of people seem reluctant to admit how many of their favorite fighters had drop offs in their mma career coincidentally as these new rules with USADA were implemented.
Yeah this one was strange cuz he even lost his ko power too
Yeah total head scratcher
@@jcam320 It's almost like his power came because he was *chemically enhanced* and when deprived of that enhancement his performances fell apart! :)
Hard to claim Rob didnt defend his belt because he fought an opponent that missed weight.
So technically he defended his belt against a light heavyweight, that sounds way more badass
When the other guy misses weight, you technically defended your title on weigh-in day. Anyone that has cut weight knows that it is a battle in itself.
And that opponent really beat him
@@jax9254 Stop. Yoel lost both fights. Get over it. Rob literally broke his eye socket
@@Wyatt_Riley na Yoel won the second and nearly won the first
I still remember not believing my eyes watching Cody have Cruz’s number the whole fight. Just jaw dropped
But Cruz won 2 rounds tho
Dominick went into that fight with an foot injury and he’s been fighting on bum wheels since 2014.
A lot of people are making fun of Rockhold but in Middleweight this guy was a machine, incredible skill and dedication, had one of the most frustrating career in the UFC history : to this day I'm still hoping for a good comeback.
Too bad Rockhold couldn’t back it up.
KARMA Killed his Title Run, and I’ll always thank Bisping & Romero for making Rockhold the “humbled Loser” he is in UFC History.
4 months later his comeback was kind of impressive but he still lost. I think he gained a lot of respect with that performance.
Hendricks fell off a mountain because he couldn't roid as hard anymore after testing became more strict.
yup. this channel won't admit Jones lost to Gustafsson and Reyes but will convince anyone that GSP lost to Hendricks lol. I love this channel but they are always bias towards Jon Jones.
Surprised that wasn't mentioned
@@eetfuk3571 I disagree. This channel literally made an entire video calling out Jones over his flaws. Plus are you honestly unconvinced that GSP actually lost? The Gustafson fight was honestly could’ve gone either way but you’re right Jones clearly lost against Reyes
@@jay_1212 there's no way GSP lost against Hendricks. busted face don't equivalate to a loss and GSP got the edge of him but there's no doubt that the fight is highly contested.
@@jay_1212 GSP won that fight.
The rise and fall of Cody no chin Garbrandt is a truly sad story
@Sean 😂😂
Nah its hilarious
@Sean That line is so fucking good
Not really
It’s a Shakespearean tragedy 🎭
Ric Flair: To be the man! You gotta beat the man!!!
Lawler: split the difference with the split decision.
Once the IV’s were gone Johnny Hendricks’ career was over
I was actually thinking about this today! Great list, thanks mate 👍
Mcgregor was the inspiration for this video
this video popped up in my recommended today after I just heard about Jiří Procházka's shoulder injury and title vacation, hope he gets the belt back in the future and is able to get a defense
Hearing tommy after like a week is like hearing the voice of Poseidon in the desert
I hope Luke goes back to middleweight. He definitely could hang well in that division with his size and skills.
Just needs to keep his hands up.
He’s a bit old now. He would have still been good if he retooled a lot earlier and didn’t take years off
Tony Ferguson is number one he’s the only champion who had the most potential in history. Just couldn’t defend his legacy anymore because father time… rip your legacy will live on forever champ El Cucuy wooooo :(
Ever heard of gsp and at what age he won the title?
Jan and Glover are both older than Tony, Jan defended against Izzy aswell so you're talking shit there mate
@@Dan-oo8kg Problem is, Tony's been looking faint-hearted and gunshy ever since getting pounded by Gaethje. He seems to have lost the fire after his winning streak was shut down. He may recover, but some fighters never recover from a beating like that, and it seems Tony won't, as much as I hate to say it.
Also, Jan and Glover are also bigger. The smaller you are, the more important speed and technique are, and those things disappear quicker with age than the skills needed for heavier weightclasses.
@@viljamtheninja love your accurate response! Age is actually a good thing at higher weight classes. And you were right about Tony. Except he was looking great until Chandler caught him with that front kick 😬
This list is a bitter pill to swallow. As a fan of the sport of MMA, it was entertaining still.
Also reminds me why I'm glad I don't build my fandom off of athletes who seem like real winners after a short run based on how hard the UFC sells them. The UFC has been selling Conor so hard over the years, but his failed submission offense and defense shows that MMA isn't his thing. With better cardio, boxing would have been a better home for his striking and his chicken legs would be safe from harm! Edit: I am on the Khamzat hype train, for shame.
These videos are so spot on I cant help but ti applauded the research and fandom that goes into these videos. The narration is just the best
Cody No Chin, from unranked at 24 to world champ by 25, to washed by 30. Let’s go Suga show 🐐
Cody was world champion though. O'Malley isn't ever making it into the top 5😂
I love robby lawler, and really wanted him to win the second fight with hendricks, but I was shocked at that decision.
Giving me a lot of good fights to go back and re watch
Coleman had 3 consecutive wins at UFC tournaments.
I would call that defending, although technically it's not.
As far as I’m concerned Bisbing lost the title when he refused to fight Romero and Whittaker. Everyone knew Hendo and GSP didn’t deserve the title shot over Rob and Yoel. GSP knew Bisbing was the easiest shot he had at getting the MW strap that’s why he didn’t fight any of the other MW champs.
A lot of the guys on this took a shit ton of damage in their careers as well. Mir is lucky to be alive rn.
Hooters exploding killed me lol
12:48 “Lady Gaga does not tweet about too many fights 😂
*Thank you Conor McGregor for inspiring this video.*
This video was more directed to those who won the title then actually lost it not stripped
@@rootpooty23 He was stripped because he was scared to defend it against Tony and Khabib. That's even worse than losing it in a fight.
@@PeterGriffingigity scared to fight Khabib but fights him 2 years later...... *Try* *harder* next time. *EVERYONE* was afraid of *Tiramisu* *TONY* THOUGH!!!
@@PeterGriffingigity or he wanted to make 100 million dollars lol
@@devinburkett9036 He finally got the ball when he saw how wack Khabib's striking abilities against Iaquinta and thought with some trash talk he will get into his head, Only to get a rude awaken when Khabib knocked him down and mauled his a. S. S.
Stay mad McSaIty fanboy
We all know Connor is on top of this list just by the title
Literally
With no title defenses?
@@MaineOnMMA yes?
Very nicely done guys!! 👊🏼
that spiderman edit got me good lmfao.
Of course Whitaker didn't have a welterweight title reign...😂
Sorry just had to laugh at that tiny mistake @0:48 seconds in
Frank was the 1st person to beat brock, even though it was kind of a fluke, and frank was the only 1 to beat brock before the whole diverticulitis problems.
Bobby Knuckles having a welterweight title reign Tommy 😲😋 Love your stuff dude 😎
Think its important to mention how close whittaker vs adesanya 2 was. These are clearly the top two guys
Hendrix never looked the same after usada stepped in
Same can be said for TR… I mean Vitor Belford
Already knew who’s number one. It’s Johnny Knoxville
Bobby cleaned out all the killer's in the division and protected a couple champs like chuck did for Tito. He already had the hardest fights on his way there.
So Frank Mir is my mma coach. Having more perspective on what happened definitely gives me more understanding on his personality.
Mc Gregor 😂
Hot take, RDA would of smashed Conor
Easy to say when it never materialized, but for what it's worth, I doubt it. RDA's loss to Eddie wasn't his first loss and wasn't his last. He was very much a beatable fighter
Conor ko
@@Dukeflyhawker and Conor is also a very much a beatable fighter. styles make fights. Could very easily see RDA by arm Triangle.
Keep dreaming
@@CoachOutah "styles make fights" is the most cliched thing to say and means nothing. RDA had 7 losses prior to Eddie. Conor only had 3 and one was avenged. RDA was ready to lose and lost again to Tony right after to prove it.
Garbrandts rise and fall is the craziest ufc history. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it lol
Bruh the thumbnail for this video 😂 you guys did Bobby knuckles dirty lol that like Boy Scout pose
It's crazy how much McGregor was right about all that gym stuff with TJ "snake in the grass", Cody and Faber with team alpha male
Whittaker was the welterweight champion???
*Middleweight* *Champion,* altho he did win *TUF* Welterweight Tournament. but he was *Undisputed* at *185!*
@@devinburkett9036 that’s the joke tommy said welterweight champ
I went over the Adesanya vs. Bobby Knuckles fight again in slow mode, and according to the rules, Knuckles actually should have won their second bout, in my opinion. IDK if he will even get a third shot. Sucks for him man.
i literally learned english with ur voices! thanks guys... big fan from iran
Wake up mma on point posted
I don't care what anyone says, that Romero rematch was a title defence for Whittaker in my eyes, it's such a stupid unfair rule.
Robert made weight & Yoel missed weight by 0.2lbs, had the roles been switched Yoel would've still been eligible to have the title won, so it's only fair if Robert was eligible to have his title defended.
By .2 pounds, technically he made weight. Robert was gifted the belt and was just there to warm it up for Adesanya.
Afaktuyurmader Anime boi.
No
Its still not a title defence. If Rob lost to Yoel he would not have lost the belt. Its because of that very rule/standard that its not considered a title defence.
@@madgavin7568 I see ur point but what I say to that is, why is it that if a champion misses weight then he is ineligible to have a win officially listed as a title defence but is eligible to have a loss officially listed as a title loss. Using that same precedent, wouldn't Robert still be "defending" a stake (his title)
@@adz3654 If the champion misses weight, hell if anyone misses weight the title is not on the line period. It becomes a non-title bout. If the champion loses, they don't lose the belt but still have an official loss on their record and you can almost guarantee that there will be a rematch for the title.
So many Spider-Man references hahahah. I love it.
I think if BJ would have stayed in the UFC and never left, giving the company a chance to catch up to him and his body a chance to rest in between bangers, i think he would have been far greater than he was for way longer. All the punishment from bouncing around instead of just training and getting better cost him dearly, but he is still one of the best to ever do it in my eyes.
At least frank mir won the interim title after the accident
I love Maurice Smith and as a 15 year old I was rooting for the striker but that Coleman is one of the worst decisions in MMA history
You are confusing with the Pedro Rizzo fight
Robert Whittaker got robbed in that second fight with Izzy it was supposed to be 3-2 Robert I don’t know what fight judges be looking at.
Though Tecnically Bobby didn’t defend against Yoel, he still trained for a defense, he had his mind set on the defense and if Yoel had gotten the decision, that would’ve been quite an awkward situation for it
Rob Defended his belt against Yoel for the second time.
That's not a title defence. And why is this? Because its a win-win situation for Rob regardless of what happened. If he lost to Yoel he would not have lost his belt.
Unpopular opinion: BJ Penn was and still is overrated.
Hey, you leave the kewpie mayo baby alone.
I agree, that's a super unpopular opinion
The abundance of Spider-Man 3 clips 😂💀
Rob defended his title once against Romero they fought twice lol
Cody was just android 19. Built to beat one opponent (Goku) useless after that
Cody “no chin” gotta be on here
he is
Cody Noguardbrandt
Seen the title and cover of Rob and was ready to comment about it but nice to see everyone defending him in the comments. Extremely unfair to classify Rob on here due to the fact Yoel didn’t make weight.
Bobby Knuckles been done dirty here
Conor is on another coward level.he is afraid to defend his title and leave
Afraid? He just saw more money and went after it. Why starve to stay at featherweight when you beat the champ, Max Holloway and Dustin Poirier. He went up to welterweight because he didn't want to stay inactive since RDA got hurt lost came back won then beat the lightweight champ to become a 2 weight champion. Left to fight Floyd and made 100m for it. He also made multiple companies. Came back and lost to Khabib. Not defending a title isn't a coward thing if you can do other things for more money.
I don’t think anyone that fights in the UFC is a coward mate 😂
Agreed, He preferred to lose and then fight fornit latet on than trying to defend, Just that so he can convince his manlovers that he dIdNt LoSe iT
@@fr0gy Stroke victim?
How about Uncle Chael? He let Silva keep the belt after beating him in both fights. A true gentleman and warrior, undefeated and undisputed.
This was a great list
Another video idea: craziest title reigns. Like Robbie Lawler’s defenses against Condit and MacDonald. Not length but entertainment value
Chris Weiman beat Silva cause Silva was playing around the first time they fought the 2nd time Silva broke his leg, so I really don't know why he's got this hype behind him if he really never beat Silva in a real fight
The whole Weidman thing is totally beyond me.
He legit beat Silva both times though dude. Its been almost a decade, time to get over it. Doesn't matter if Silva was "playing" or not, you take your opponents seriously or you lose. And Silva lost.
@@carphucker2973 legit 😂
Oh wow, you're still making excuses over that fight? FFS, Weidman had Silva's number. He won IN SPITE of Silva's taunting, not because of it. Silva won many fights prior by taunting and dancing around. Read Jack Slack's article 'How Chris Weidman killed the king at UFC 162', its everything you need to know what happened. Stop the excuses.
@@madgavin7568 facts isn't a excuse you fan boy
I don't think Conor really cared to be a champion for the reasons most MMA fighters do, he just wanted the leverage to cash in on it. Can't blame him if that was his goal cause he made his paper, he'll just always be a paper champion in the history books.
If anything Conor has displayed he is a fighter more than anyone. How many other fighters would stick around if they were worth 200 million??? If he only wanted money he would have stayed in boxing...
You are a paper champ if you inherit or win a vacant title... PLENTY of fighter's i don't like but i don't live down there achievements as a result.
that utter bullshit lol. Stop changing the narrative to defend him. he was a 2 hit wonder that came in at the right time and faded into obscurity when real competition came into the game.
You can call him a paper champ at 155 but not 145. He beat a murderers row (porier, halloway, mendes) then fought the guy who everyone said was unbeatable and KOed him. 155 was a decent win but khabib should've gotten a shot before conor amd conor lost to Khabib so I could see why someone would call him a paper champ there
@@mpforeverunlimited Bro your just using what terms make you feel good. That's not what a paper champ is. Mcgregor may not have been a good champ for the division but he was not a paper champ. He was the legitimate champ, then the UFC stripped him and he wasn't the champ from then forward.
@@mpforeverunlimited poirier and holloway werent even in their primes lol. But yeah he beat mendes fair and square.
Whittaker couldn't stay healthy, 2 plus years between becoming interim champ and losing a unifying title fight.
Still crazy to think that Conor has literally never defended a belt in his combat career
Yoel missing weight.
Izzy somehow getting 3-2 rounds the second fight.
Unfortunate for Rob.
Izzy won the fight, so not really what you're insinuating there.
@@carphucker2973 yes Izzy won the fight on the judges score card, but Whittaker should have actually won the fight. He dominated the last three rounds. It's not hard to understand what's insinuated as it's written clearly, you just have a hard time understanding what it means.
@@slydemise5349 Rob did not win that fight. I'm sorry you feel that way.
@@slydemise5349 The fact you think Rob dominated any portion of the fight means your opinion can be discarded.
@@madgavin7568 what this tells me is that you either: 1) didn't watch the fight 2) have no idea how to score a fight.
Rob 4 takedowns. Definitely won round 2 with all the control on the ground and clinch. There is no other deciding round. Rob won 2,4 and 5 without any doubt.
You just hop on nuts and wait till they bust and the new guy cums along?
Serious questions...who do you believe won
Usman vs Convington 2?
Poirier vs Halloway 2?
Halloway vs Yair?
Conor 'zero title defense' McGregor
The old man at the end said he is "reacting to colin mcgregor " and i think that is very important.
Johnny didn't beat GSP go rewatch the fight, Dana saying he lost after the fight because he was pissed off influenced the narrative alot, just like he did to Sterling when he beat Yan 2 weeks ago
Johnny was a cheat, he was on juice. I remember in an interview close to fight day GSP offered to pay for Johnny's drug test. By no surprise Johnny declined the offer....go figure.
@@heveycreations4197 Yeah and then GSP signed the contract on the condition that Johnny would take a VADA test, both him and the UFC agreed on it but 2 weeks before the fight Johnny ended up refusing to take the test. The UFC pressured GSP into fighting anyway so that they wouldnt have to cancel the card. They went on to fight and I honestly think GSP won 3 rounds, Johnny did land heavy blows and GSP was wearing them but GSP has a condition that makes him wear the damage quickly on top of being pale white. We cant score a fight on who looks worst.
McGregor is the true champ, never lost the title😌 alongside Nicco Montano😁
I take two belts and 100Ms over a few title defenses. Yall stay salty tho
😂 Yeh OK sure if you say so.
@@carphucker2973 I do say so. Glad you agree
@@noahk6498 I know you don't mean it which is the funny part. Say all you want but it's not true. You're just trying to defend your boy. And it's cute...... guess
@@carphucker2973 I do mean it. But go ahead and keep calling other men cute ig
Conor didn't fight Nate Diaz twice for no reason. He fought Nate Diaz twice to duck rematches with Aldo and Max Holloway. He knew the Aldo fight was a fluke and that Max with more seasoning would smoke him.
The entire 205lb division
I knew Rashad was a phony the 1st time I saw him. His best highlight , the head kick. Look at that dude, tomato can Sean Salmon 😂
I just love how I can see a title to the video and know it’s gonna be a TTH video.
7:06 Johnny also was being heavily regulated by USADA as this time after he won the title
Tommy = instant LIKE