I watched this video, and the original, after the shooting in Maine where 18 people were killed in 2 gun-free zones (both businesses were placarded so no CCW allowed). I never carry at work, simply because I don't work in a high or even low crime area. However, everywhere else I go, sign on the door or not, I carry discretely. I realize that what I'm doing is technically illegal, but my life is not going to be in jeopardy because of a sign on the door that the mental-case with a gun isn't going to even look at before mowing down as many people as he can. Your video really made me think though. I commend you for sharing it.
Internet comments on personal experiences usually fall into the genre "blame the victim when you've never walked a mile in their shoes." As you get older, there's more of a chance someone will want to victimize you and you'll need that firearm, but at the same time, the impact of a loss of a job is greater than it's ever been. That seems to escape some people.
You are the only one on yt I have ever seen talk about this. I'm outta the corporate world now but, I do appreciate you talking more about this issue that normally gets dudebro'd over
Continue to shout this message from the mountain top! It’s too important for people not to understand the implications behind the decision. The experience of losing a job is devastating enough. Losing a source of employment while potentially impacting future employment, having to provide for a family, while also dealing with the social fallout hits differently.
Great how you tell your story how it is no sugar coating it. I will take this to heart since i am in the exact same situation. I installed a gun safe in my car to avoid coming in the office with a gun.
A common issue with strong proponents of any political ideology, including concealed carry, is the tendency to focus on the ideal and ignore practical realities. I appreciated your original video because it pushed back against the ideals of concealed carry with a real-life experience. People can flex their intellectual and moral superiority all they want, but unless they have actually and consciously chosen to lose a job rather than hang up the gun, it’s just empty words.
@The Suited Shootist It's an interesting subject for me. I have to work in absolutely dangerous neighborhoods at all hours and the "company policy" says no guns. Your videos bring up a ton of valid considerations and possible consequences. Our company actually fired a contractor for defending his life with a handgun against a crack head with a 12guage.
@mattr918 that's a dramatically higher risk profile Yunnan mine. Were I in a position like that, it may very well change my math on the thought process.
Great video. It’s like some people like to parrot their views and opinions anywhere they can and then just turn off their eyes and ears to anything that may contradict their beliefs
Keep putting out the message, everyone needs to hear it. So much of gun culture is too surface-level, too bumper sticker, and it grossly ignores the circumstances of much of the gun-buying public, especially the newest gun owners who are dominantly urban or semi-urban folk looking to protect themselves. Everyone wants to volunteer you to be the test case but wouldn't dare do it themselves. We need to be honest with ourselves. We need to be better
To me. This solidifies my following the FIRE community (financial independence retire early). Like. Save and invest so much friggin money that you can live for months or years without a job no problem or otherwise don’t need to make money (because your massive investment and low spending needs) and can tell an employer to suck it (otherwise known in the FIRE community as FU money). I don’t feel one is truly free until either 1) you are your own boss 2) you have enough money you don’t NEED to work, or can get by working any jobs. So many folks make $100,000+ and spend every dime and go into debt further. I like to say, especially at those levels… live on half your salary, invest the other half. You’ll be financially independent in under 2 decades. And everyone, at that level, can live on half what they make…. Someone out there already DOES live on half! Also, thank goodness for work at home for certain jobs… can carry all day then!
Two of my coworkers were shot and one died at work recently. Thank you for offering a differing opinion to the ones you listed as common in gun culture. I'm still a bit torn on what to do, but I greatly appreciate you sharing your experience as it is helping to guide my decision.
Honestly, I would probably have found a good way to secure the pistol in my car for the duration of the work day, like a lock box bolted to the frame or something.
A good follow up video would be to discuss what people can do if they choose not to carry at work (or other areas) to maximize their chances for protection against threats (with emphasis on active shooters).
I honestly avoid focusing too much on the active shooter problem for 3 main reasons. 1) While it's a very sexy and sensational topic, it's well outside the arena where concealed carriers should arguably be focusing most of their training efforts. 2) I'm personally disinclined to seek out and destroy a spree killer. The circumstances under which I'd engage one is if they're between me and an exit or a loved one. 3) It's outside my lane. The extent of my training on the subject was a 4 hour lecture I attended where Ed Monk gave his presentation. I have touched on it in other videos, but I do like the idea of a dedicated episode on workplace options. Thanks!
Totally respect your position. You gotta put food on the table. I think that companies that create "no self protection zones" need to be civilly liable for serving up unprotected victims for would-be crazies. That might help to allow people who carry the ability to protect themselves in more environments
You know people that talk down about it probably don't carry in the first place nor have they ever been in the situation besides hind site always 20/20 and keyboard cowboys always talk out the wrong side lol you have given me personally great insight and pointers to where my carry much more comfortable so thank you
Thank you for sharing everything you've learnt to help us avoid these kinds of issues. It's certainly helpful. Just curious, and perhaps you may have addressed it in the original video but I don't remember - at this point have you more or less recovered from the financial/career trajectory setback from carrying? Just wondering if carrying episode is a bad stain that never goes away and always follows you around employment-wise, or it just means you had to start from scratch but you don't have to bring it up to employers if you don't want to.
It didn't really have any lasting effects. I may not have been entirely forthcoming in some interviews, but to the best of my knowledge, it wasn't a hindrance
Hey man, I REALLY appreciate you sharing this perspective. The youtube gun "community" is fucking nuts, and is it's own best argument for gun control. This space needs more nuance, and less dudebros yelling about issues that they fundamentally do not grasp. Everyone who shoots for fun is suddenly a constitutional scholar and armed self-defense consultant. The reality is there are consequences to every action, and *sometimes* guns are not answer to every question. IF you care about "protecting your family", you must consider that simply "adding guns" does not automatically accomplish that.
I got fired from Walmart today for concealed carrying registered weapon no cpl in my car wasn't pulled over at Walmart they pulled me over in town an two days later they came to my work waited for me to get out an said I had a warrant for my arrest spent the night in jail an I was pulled over with this weapon before multiple times an they let me go an now all of a sudden it's a problem didn't give them no problems told them they could search my car an I had a weapon in the back seat.
I'm happy that you're coming out the other side. Did you find yourself lessening your involvement with firearm activities that were normal for you before this incident? If so, was it feelings of guilt for the situation that your family was left in? I am in a similar situation, and I often think about the ramifications of getting caught. I think that my wife would be less than understanding if I want to go to the range after such an incident.
I work remotely now, so it's kind of a non-issue. If someone is subject to search and they still choose to carry, they'd be well served to keep everything contained within the swimsuit area.
I feel sad that the man went through the dirt just because he’s complying with the Second Amendment but then again companies don’t care 2 inch folding pocket knife is a dangerous object
I wonder if you kept it in your vehicle, would they have transitioned to searching your vehicle if nothing was found on your person or bag area. I have wrestled with this concept for a long time. I concluded that carrying on body or off body in a work establishment that is "gun free" is way too risky. But the transitional spaces, especially if you have a longer commute and not through a nice area, is where the problem lies. While workplace violence is rare but not unheard of, you are far more likely to encounter danger outside the confines of the work grounds, especially if it has any "security."
In Texas the vehicle is an extension of your home, so that wouldn't have been subject to search, at least not how MY employee agreement was written (since I didn't work on a controlled or sensitive industry)
Funny too how so many “you gotta carry all the time or else you are ….” Types probably only shoot their ARs and never practice their CCW. Like if you are dedicated to carry every day you know good and well 95% if any DGU you get into will be with that pocket/micro compact pistol. Yet they spend 95% of their range time blasting with their range toys. The guy who shows up to a match with his actual CCW piece and normal clothes gets my respect. Not the weekend warrior who shows off his battle belt full size appendix carry “EDC” (eight days carry) and Gucci AR blasting at paper at 25 yards and in (which stays locked up at home).
“A distinction without a difference…”. There is a difference though. Pride has value, even if it’s not monetary. If that pride comes from refusing, so be it. If that’s not your thing, that’s fine too. I believe that’s where most of the criticism is coming from on that point. What’s done is done and can’t be changed. Monday morning quarterbacks and all that jazz. I hope you make enough from telling the story to dwarf whatever your ex employer denied you.
I'm a bit more of a pragmatist when it comes to that. Pride certainly does have value in certain circumstances, but it wouldn't have made the fallout of these events any different. I appreciate the encouragement. The more subscribers & views the channel gets, the more value it has for monetization. Thank you for the support!
I like you, I like your channel and I appreciate your videos. Do you know Jesus? Have you heard how he died on the cross as payment for your sins, and if you accept his gift of everlasting life by faith you are forgiven! Jesus is calling you to his kingdom. Life without fear begins with Jesus.
Some people just don't understand how important this message is. But you are reaching a TON of people, and your hard work is greatly appreciated.
Thanks buddy
I watched this video, and the original, after the shooting in Maine where 18 people were killed in 2 gun-free zones (both businesses were placarded so no CCW allowed). I never carry at work, simply because I don't work in a high or even low crime area. However, everywhere else I go, sign on the door or not, I carry discretely. I realize that what I'm doing is technically illegal, but my life is not going to be in jeopardy because of a sign on the door that the mental-case with a gun isn't going to even look at before mowing down as many people as he can.
Your video really made me think though. I commend you for sharing it.
Internet comments on personal experiences usually fall into the genre "blame the victim when you've never walked a mile in their shoes." As you get older, there's more of a chance someone will want to victimize you and you'll need that firearm, but at the same time, the impact of a loss of a job is greater than it's ever been. That seems to escape some people.
You are the only one on yt I have ever seen talk about this. I'm outta the corporate world now but, I do appreciate you talking more about this issue that normally gets dudebro'd over
Continue to shout this message from the mountain top! It’s too important for people not to understand the implications behind the decision. The experience of losing a job is devastating enough. Losing a source of employment while potentially impacting future employment, having to provide for a family, while also dealing with the social fallout hits differently.
Great how you tell your story how it is no sugar coating it. I will take this to heart since i am in the exact same situation. I installed a gun safe in my car to avoid coming in the office with a gun.
A common issue with strong proponents of any political ideology, including concealed carry, is the tendency to focus on the ideal and ignore practical realities. I appreciated your original video because it pushed back against the ideals of concealed carry with a real-life experience. People can flex their intellectual and moral superiority all they want, but unless they have actually and consciously chosen to lose a job rather than hang up the gun, it’s just empty words.
Your video really made me think thank you for creating it and now I can see flaws in some of my day-to-day activities.
Glad I could help!
Your the only guy that talks alot about this. Great info
I appreciate that!
I just want people to learn from my experience.
@The Suited Shootist It's an interesting subject for me. I have to work in absolutely dangerous neighborhoods at all hours and the "company policy" says no guns. Your videos bring up a ton of valid considerations and possible consequences. Our company actually fired a contractor for defending his life with a handgun against a crack head with a 12guage.
@mattr918 that's a dramatically higher risk profile Yunnan mine.
Were I in a position like that, it may very well change my math on the thought process.
Great video. It’s like some people like to parrot their views and opinions anywhere they can and then just turn off their eyes and ears to anything that may contradict their beliefs
Yuuuuup.
To steal a line from my friend Cecil Burch (again) "Your micro is not everyone's macro"
I appreciate your openness.
Keep putting out the message, everyone needs to hear it. So much of gun culture is too surface-level, too bumper sticker, and it grossly ignores the circumstances of much of the gun-buying public, especially the newest gun owners who are dominantly urban or semi-urban folk looking to protect themselves. Everyone wants to volunteer you to be the test case but wouldn't dare do it themselves. We need to be honest with ourselves. We need to be better
To me. This solidifies my following the FIRE community (financial independence retire early). Like. Save and invest so much friggin money that you can live for months or years without a job no problem or otherwise don’t need to make money (because your massive investment and low spending needs) and can tell an employer to suck it (otherwise known in the FIRE community as FU money).
I don’t feel one is truly free until either 1) you are your own boss 2) you have enough money you don’t NEED to work, or can get by working any jobs.
So many folks make $100,000+ and spend every dime and go into debt further. I like to say, especially at those levels… live on half your salary, invest the other half. You’ll be financially independent in under 2 decades. And everyone, at that level, can live on half what they make…. Someone out there already DOES live on half!
Also, thank goodness for work at home for certain jobs… can carry all day then!
Two of my coworkers were shot and one died at work recently. Thank you for offering a differing opinion to the ones you listed as common in gun culture. I'm still a bit torn on what to do, but I greatly appreciate you sharing your experience as it is helping to guide my decision.
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Obviously, that level of risk needs to be factored in.
I'm sorry to hear about that.
Once again, thank you for talking about this and the real consequences of what happens.
So the question is, what would you do differently? Would you not carry at work knowing what you know now?
Honestly, I would probably have found a good way to secure the pistol in my car for the duration of the work day, like a lock box bolted to the frame or something.
@@TheSuitedShootist literally what i did 3 vehicles all have a gun safe
A good follow up video would be to discuss what people can do if they choose not to carry at work (or other areas) to maximize their chances for protection against threats (with emphasis on active shooters).
I honestly avoid focusing too much on the active shooter problem for 3 main reasons.
1) While it's a very sexy and sensational topic, it's well outside the arena where concealed carriers should arguably be focusing most of their training efforts.
2) I'm personally disinclined to seek out and destroy a spree killer. The circumstances under which I'd engage one is if they're between me and an exit or a loved one.
3) It's outside my lane. The extent of my training on the subject was a 4 hour lecture I attended where Ed Monk gave his presentation.
I have touched on it in other videos, but I do like the idea of a dedicated episode on workplace options.
Thanks!
Totally respect your position. You gotta put food on the table. I think that companies that create "no self protection zones" need to be civilly liable for serving up unprotected victims for would-be crazies. That might help to allow people who carry the ability to protect themselves in more environments
You know people that talk down about it probably don't carry in the first place nor have they ever been in the situation besides hind site always 20/20 and keyboard cowboys always talk out the wrong side lol you have given me personally great insight and pointers to where my carry much more comfortable so thank you
Thank you for sharing everything you've learnt to help us avoid these kinds of issues. It's certainly helpful. Just curious, and perhaps you may have addressed it in the original video but I don't remember - at this point have you more or less recovered from the financial/career trajectory setback from carrying? Just wondering if carrying episode is a bad stain that never goes away and always follows you around employment-wise, or it just means you had to start from scratch but you don't have to bring it up to employers if you don't want to.
It didn't really have any lasting effects.
I may not have been entirely forthcoming in some interviews, but to the best of my knowledge, it wasn't a hindrance
Hey man, I REALLY appreciate you sharing this perspective. The youtube gun "community" is fucking nuts, and is it's own best argument for gun control. This space needs more nuance, and less dudebros yelling about issues that they fundamentally do not grasp. Everyone who shoots for fun is suddenly a constitutional scholar and armed self-defense consultant. The reality is there are consequences to every action, and *sometimes* guns are not answer to every question. IF you care about "protecting your family", you must consider that simply "adding guns" does not automatically accomplish that.
I got fired from Walmart today for concealed carrying registered weapon no cpl in my car wasn't pulled over at Walmart they pulled me over in town an two days later they came to my work waited for me to get out an said I had a warrant for my arrest spent the night in jail an I was pulled over with this weapon before multiple times an they let me go an now all of a sudden it's a problem didn't give them no problems told them they could search my car an I had a weapon in the back seat.
Why did you consent to a search?
Bro if they fired you for carrying it's not the kind of place you wanna work
It's not always that simple, unfortunately.
You can talk about firearms with coworkers, just say that you leave it at home 🤷🏻♂️
I'm happy that you're coming out the other side. Did you find yourself lessening your involvement with firearm activities that were normal for you before this incident? If so, was it feelings of guilt for the situation that your family was left in? I am in a similar situation, and I often think about the ramifications of getting caught. I think that my wife would be less than understanding if I want to go to the range after such an incident.
I saw your deep carry videos with the enigma, do you carry at work now since you have it essentially undetectable under the belt line?
I work remotely now, so it's kind of a non-issue.
If someone is subject to search and they still choose to carry, they'd be well served to keep everything contained within the swimsuit area.
I feel sad that the man went through the dirt just because he’s complying with the Second Amendment but then again companies don’t care 2 inch folding pocket knife is a dangerous object
I wonder if you kept it in your vehicle, would they have transitioned to searching your vehicle if nothing was found on your person or bag area. I have wrestled with this concept for a long time. I concluded that carrying on body or off body in a work establishment that is "gun free" is way too risky. But the transitional spaces, especially if you have a longer commute and not through a nice area, is where the problem lies. While workplace violence is rare but not unheard of, you are far more likely to encounter danger outside the confines of the work grounds, especially if it has any "security."
In Texas the vehicle is an extension of your home, so that wouldn't have been subject to search, at least not how MY employee agreement was written (since I didn't work on a controlled or sensitive industry)
Alex if the early comments are any indication, you may need to make a third video. 🙂
Funny too how so many “you gotta carry all the time or else you are ….” Types probably only shoot their ARs and never practice their CCW.
Like if you are dedicated to carry every day you know good and well 95% if any DGU you get into will be with that pocket/micro compact pistol. Yet they spend 95% of their range time blasting with their range toys.
The guy who shows up to a match with his actual CCW piece and normal clothes gets my respect. Not the weekend warrior who shows off his battle belt full size appendix carry “EDC” (eight days carry) and Gucci AR blasting at paper at 25 yards and in (which stays locked up at home).
“A distinction without a difference…”. There is a difference though. Pride has value, even if it’s not monetary. If that pride comes from refusing, so be it. If that’s not your thing, that’s fine too. I believe that’s where most of the criticism is coming from on that point. What’s done is done and can’t be changed. Monday morning quarterbacks and all that jazz. I hope you make enough from telling the story to dwarf whatever your ex employer denied you.
I'm a bit more of a pragmatist when it comes to that.
Pride certainly does have value in certain circumstances, but it wouldn't have made the fallout of these events any different.
I appreciate the encouragement. The more subscribers & views the channel gets, the more value it has for monetization. Thank you for the support!
I like you, I like your channel and I appreciate your videos. Do you know Jesus? Have you heard how he died on the cross as payment for your sins, and if you accept his gift of everlasting life by faith you are forgiven! Jesus is calling you to his kingdom. Life without fear begins with Jesus.