It is surprisingly difficult to find clearly outlined research on this model. Thank you for providing a concise framework for recovery that is easy to understand! This video is also helpful to consumers who want to find a recovery-oriented therapist to work with
If your model doesn't include the possibility for a COMPLETE recovery then you're failing your patients. I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, been through hell along the way, but I've managed to completely recover/cured. I haven't taken meds for years. Even went back to school and got my red seal electrician ticked. In order to recover as I have, I had to leave the "recovery" model we have here in Canada, which is very similar to the U.S.A. I had to walk away because all the experts did was deny me what I so desperately wanted: hope of a complete and full recovery. They didn't believe in that, but I did. So I went out and found it on my own.
It's true. They don't personally believe that we can recover. All they want to do is keep on us mind numbing medications as long as possible until the side effects from the meds destroy our bodies and we die off and then they don't have to worry about us anymore. They never told me about the side effects of Geodon: akathisia, tardive dyskinesia, worsened diabetes, cardiovascular damage. If a regular doctor gave me these meds, he would be guilty of malpractice. The only way I recovered was to get off the meds completely, and I read a lot of psychology text books for counseling majors: CBT, DBT, ACT, and Mindfulness. They gave me the coping skills I needed.
Thank you for sharing your story. I think a lot of proponents of this model want the client to define recovery. For you that meant absence of medication and symptoms, or management of symptoms without meds. They should have helped you reach that goal instead of telling you that it isn't possible.
@@DDW1263 Makes sense. And all I'm saying is that the possibility should be presented to the patient as well. That way they have all the options on the table to choose from. So it's still their choice as what recovery would look like to them. But they can't make an informed decision if they aren't informed of all possibilities, or options they have. I 100% agree that my doctor at the time failed me. I told him what changed within me that time that wasn't there all the previous times I stopped meds, but he didn't seem interested, nor sought to understand what happened. For the first time in about the 6 years into the diagnosis, I had insight into the condition of my mental state. What the hell happened? You'd think a psychiatrist would be interested in such a shift after so many years of doctors, family, friends, religious leaders, medications, ECT, all aiming to convince me of this exact realization. They all failed, and then one day I walked in and said, I got it! If I was a doctor I would want details. But the doctor was too sure of himself (no doubt thinking I was crazy) and failed to recognize the spark that was lit within me. Even if he didn't think this decision of mine would work he should've requested to walk it with me since I was so adamant about it, and could be there in the event I might need counsel or to go back on meds. I wanted to walk this path with him because I was going to show him how they failed to understand the nature of this illness, and that it can in fact be reversed. It absolutely makes no sense that they say it can't, or couldn't in my case and many others like me. Yet I did exactly that, and reversed it. Years later I tried contacting his office but no one called me back.
"The next X is coming..." "So *when* it does happen..." not even an *'if'*. For goodness sake would anyone dare say to an alcoholic, " ...*when* you slip up and have that bottle of vodka..." but then I guess they'll say that mental illness is different, right because for 20-29 years for example, life was relatively ok, then mental illness struck like the turning on of a light switch and now that switch is on... forever.... there's no going back, it's *going to* strike again, just wait for it. This is why I don't F with these medical doctors and I don't even swear! Now that I've got that out I'm so saddened by the dangerous words that these doctors spew.
You don't understand mental health or trauma then. Trauma changes your brain in a different way than addiction, and many mental illnesses are lifelong and largely predisposed by genetics or a manifestation of childhood trauma. We didn't know this decades ago but we do now. And yes, alcoholics relapse all the time. Do you want them to have the tools and connections to bounce back and continue recovery, or do you want to lie and say that relapse isn't a reality for many people?
I believe it stems from the "Anti-Psychiatry Movement" of the late 1970's; in which the shift from institutionalization to community-based care was taking place. During institutionalized mental health care (and before), many patients were treated like prisoners: injected with 1st gen neuroleptics/anti-psychotic medications that often came with more side effects than help (known as extra-pyramidal side effects), and mistreated in very dehumanizing ways. The Recovery movement is a person focused, not illness focused perspective on health care. I wish I could say "who" started it, but I'd say a variety of social/cultural factors (including the anti-Vietnam war movement) contributed to its emergence. People WITH mental health diagnosis were many of the architects of the Recovery Movement in the late 90's/early 2000's.
This is a perfect response David. I, myself am currently studying a Diploma of Counselling and I am all about the recovery model. I believe it's very effective in that it empowers the client to be head strong in their own recovery and make the decisions themselves based on the goal of living a positive and fulfilling life with a mental illness or in some cases, recovering completely from it and giving hope towards a better future.
No one created the recovery movement. It's a grass roots movement. I would like to know who is going to create the end to stigmatization and labeling movement.
I agree Morp, I have actually been a part of the mental health system as a patient over the past year including institutionalisation for severe postnatal depression and anxiety, there is no focus on recovery, it's simply - 'what can we do to manage your symptoms and how many medications should we put you through to get there'. There was no organising support for other aspects of my life such as counselling or motherhood support groups etc I had to do all that on my own and luckily I had the initiative to do it, others are not so lucky :(
It is surprisingly difficult to find clearly outlined research on this model. Thank you for providing a concise framework for recovery that is easy to understand! This video is also helpful to consumers who want to find a recovery-oriented therapist to work with
Love this guy. Gratitude.
Man, we need more of him! I'm so sick of these uninformed authorities who co-opt every term, principle and apply it themselves and their coworkers..
Thank you for the useful insight. The video is short but very inspiring.
If your model doesn't include the possibility for a COMPLETE recovery then you're failing your patients.
I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, been through hell along the way, but I've managed to completely recover/cured. I haven't taken meds for years. Even went back to school and got my red seal electrician ticked. In order to recover as I have, I had to leave the "recovery" model we have here in Canada, which is very similar to the U.S.A. I had to walk away because all the experts did was deny me what I so desperately wanted: hope of a complete and full recovery. They didn't believe in that, but I did. So I went out and found it on my own.
Good to know, thank you! I'm sure there are many others with a similar experience!
It's true. They don't personally believe that we can recover. All they want to do is keep on us mind numbing medications as long as possible until the side effects from the meds destroy our bodies and we die off and then they don't have to worry about us anymore. They never told me about the side effects of Geodon: akathisia, tardive dyskinesia, worsened diabetes, cardiovascular damage. If a regular doctor gave me these meds, he would be guilty of malpractice. The only way I recovered was to get off the meds completely, and I read a lot of psychology text books for counseling majors: CBT, DBT, ACT, and Mindfulness. They gave me the coping skills I needed.
Thank you for sharing your story. I think a lot of proponents of this model want the client to define recovery. For you that meant absence of medication and symptoms, or management of symptoms without meds. They should have helped you reach that goal instead of telling you that it isn't possible.
@@DDW1263 Makes sense. And all I'm saying is that the possibility should be presented to the patient as well. That way they have all the options on the table to choose from. So it's still their choice as what recovery would look like to them. But they can't make an informed decision if they aren't informed of all possibilities, or options they have.
I 100% agree that my doctor at the time failed me. I told him what changed within me that time that wasn't there all the previous times I stopped meds, but he didn't seem interested, nor sought to understand what happened. For the first time in about the 6 years into the diagnosis, I had insight into the condition of my mental state. What the hell happened? You'd think a psychiatrist would be interested in such a shift after so many years of doctors, family, friends, religious leaders, medications, ECT, all aiming to convince me of this exact realization.
They all failed, and then one day I walked in and said, I got it! If I was a doctor I would want details. But the doctor was too sure of himself (no doubt thinking I was crazy) and failed to recognize the spark that was lit within me. Even if he didn't think this decision of mine would work he should've requested to walk it with me since I was so adamant about it, and could be there in the event I might need counsel or to go back on meds. I wanted to walk this path with him because I was going to show him how they failed to understand the nature of this illness, and that it can in fact be reversed. It absolutely makes no sense that they say it can't, or couldn't in my case and many others like me. Yet I did exactly that, and reversed it. Years later I tried contacting his office but no one called me back.
any updates since 2012 would like to know
Someone is still profitting from stigma and labeling.
"The next X is coming..."
"So *when* it does happen..." not even an *'if'*.
For goodness sake would anyone dare say to an alcoholic, " ...*when* you slip up and have that bottle of vodka..." but then I guess they'll say that mental illness is different, right because for 20-29 years for example, life was relatively ok, then mental illness struck like the turning on of a light switch and now that switch is on... forever.... there's no going back, it's *going to* strike again, just wait for it.
This is why I don't F with these medical doctors and I don't even swear! Now that I've got that out I'm so saddened by the dangerous words that these doctors spew.
You don't understand mental health or trauma then. Trauma changes your brain in a different way than addiction, and many mental illnesses are lifelong and largely predisposed by genetics or a manifestation of childhood trauma. We didn't know this decades ago but we do now. And yes, alcoholics relapse all the time. Do you want them to have the tools and connections to bounce back and continue recovery, or do you want to lie and say that relapse isn't a reality for many people?
Who created the recovery movement?
I believe it stems from the "Anti-Psychiatry Movement" of the late 1970's; in which the shift from institutionalization to community-based care was taking place. During institutionalized mental health care (and before), many patients were treated like prisoners: injected with 1st gen neuroleptics/anti-psychotic medications that often came with more side effects than help (known as extra-pyramidal side effects), and mistreated in very dehumanizing ways. The Recovery movement is a person focused, not illness focused perspective on health care. I wish I could say "who" started it, but I'd say a variety of social/cultural factors (including the anti-Vietnam war movement) contributed to its emergence. People WITH mental health diagnosis were many of the architects of the Recovery Movement in the late 90's/early 2000's.
This is a perfect response David. I, myself am currently studying a Diploma of Counselling and I am all about the recovery model. I believe it's very effective in that it empowers the client to be head strong in their own recovery and make the decisions themselves based on the goal of living a positive and fulfilling life with a mental illness or in some cases, recovering completely from it and giving hope towards a better future.
No one created the recovery movement. It's a grass roots movement. I would like to know who is going to create the end to stigmatization and labeling movement.
In Aust it is still a deficit/medical model. And a crisis driven one at that.
Not totally. I am doing A diploma in case management and I have found out that the recovery method is used in Australia
Yes they all say they use it but you will find in reality they don't. Its just one of latest buzz words.
I agree Morp, I have actually been a part of the mental health system as a patient over the past year including institutionalisation for severe postnatal depression and anxiety, there is no focus on recovery, it's simply - 'what can we do to manage your symptoms and how many medications should we put you through to get there'. There was no organising support for other aspects of my life such as counselling or motherhood support groups etc I had to do all that on my own and luckily I had the initiative to do it, others are not so lucky :(