Typical installation of Ubuntu vs Arch vs Gentoo Linux...
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Make sure you have some liquid nitrogen before installing Gentoo!
This video is the comparison of Ubuntu Linux installation experience with Arch Linux install & configuration and finally Gentoo compilation.
Music by: Kevin MacLeod; me; Mick Gordon
Video sources:
Ubuntu - • How to Install Ubuntu ...
Arch Linux - • Arch Linux with Xfce i...
Gentoo - • Gentoo linux installat... (a really good video)
And the cute bird is from "Winged Experience" channel
I made a 10-in-1 programming tutorial - ua-cam.com/video/0mXJISfgVEY/v-deo.html
Ubuntu: Here's an easy GUI installer, it'll do everything for you
Fedora: Here's a GUI installer but feel free to customize whatever you want either with installer or with terminal or something else like gparted
Arch: Haha screw you and learn all my CLI tools
Gentoo: *compile from source mortal*
Also Arch: Use archinstall 🗿
The Ubuntu graphical installer also allows you to customise whatever you want. It doesn't tell you how, but it allows it.
Gentoo is easier and more straightforward to install and use than Arch. But yes, it compiles everything from source, which takes time and electricity, and, like Arch, it is rolling release, which means compile from source everyday. But the USE flag is without compare. Gentoo is great for clusters, or for building distributions from scratch; not so great for laptops.
busybox: figure out how to get the sources first, you bloaty beeing!!!
lfs be like making a compiler from scratch to compile a cross compiler to compile a compiler that will compile the GCC
@@elektra81516 a hate archinstall
You missed the part where Ubuntu decides to break itself just because it felt like it.
Don't install too many programs with apt install :-))
@@ran2wild370 This doesn't make any sense. If the repository packages break the installation, that means it's not well tested.
@@GustavoGuedin And definitely not ready for my 6000 packages
@@ran2wild370 And that's why flatpack is used
@@simonecatenacci726 open a terminal and type
lsblk | wc -l
Then reread your comment.
the reason most Arch users are so in your face about using it is because most of them installed it before the scripting came out and faced literal hell, so them always saying "hey I use Arch Linux for my computer btw" is something equivalent to "hey I fought and slayed a dragon and now hold it's head on my mantlepiece but it still doesn't connect to bluetooth btw"
Yo, that bluetooth one, I thought I was alone 😭😭😭
"Literal hell"
Partition
Pacstrap
Chroot
Update three or four configs
Grub and grub-install
Done.
@@jorios550 I think that stuff came after the scripting?
EDIT: unless scripting is just archinstall specifically
Oh dude for Bluetooth for me I have an Asus bt 500 and the only way I could even get that working was by downloading the driver from asus's website and running the install script. I wish I was joking but there was nothing in the AUR for this. Arch isn't hard in general, even that, but in this case arch didn't properly support those drivers and I went through Bluetooth hell.
Oh god creating the UEFI partition is hell
Installing Ubuntu is unironically easier than installing Windows.
Tell that to a first time installer that has only used windows their whole life 😭
@@TriflingToad F*** the privacy “options” though! Microsoft doesn’t care about privacy and is H A P P Y to support a dictator who also doesn’t care about other countries’ sovereignty… Yes I’m talking about the spyware that’s made to read everything you do in the most intrusive & inefficient way possible…
@@TriflingToad As an ex windows user, I can confirm that Ubuntu and Mint are way easier to install than any Windows
Yes, that's right.
Kali is a nightmare
Gentoo taught me how to install Arch better than Arch did. I don't know if it was because of experience, but I installed Arch better than I used to from Gentoo.
Yeah, Gentoo improves Linux skills a lot
Crap, does this mean I need to install Gentoo now just for the experience? I've deployed arch on a couple of machines several years ago, but I've never dabbled with Gentoo.
@@Kin2InuYasha no it dues have a more user readable wiki
Gentoo taught me SO much when it comes to Linux, Arch seems like a cake walk now. The weird thing is, the more I learn about Linux, the more "curated" distros make my head hurt, because they break any time you try to do anything outside of their "vision".
@@Virbox real
In my view, Gentoo is about learning the internals of packages and know how to troubleshoot and solve errors. And the knowledge is mostly transferable to any distro after that. I am the one everybody calls when their Linux distro fails to boot and they need hardcore recovery.
Arch is about being able to say that you use Arch. (It also has the coolest logo)
@@ano_nym ye and arch isnt even that hard to use
@@itzlqmer6084 yeah, once installed it's even one of the easier to use. As you have the AUR which makes install of many more programs easier.
@@itzlqmer6084 I changed to Gentoo a couple of years ago cause my toolchain destroyed itself too much on updates. And you can repair Gentoo even in the most absurd stages of destruction.
@@EloNaj timeline where timeshift doesn't exist
Dude install an os every time he boot his computer, what a chad ...
his name is litterally virtualbox its a vm rly why are you even watching
You gotta give Ubuntu (or any other relatively easy to install distros like Fedora or openSUSE) credit; they might not be the best/fastest/smallest distros around, but you have to admit installing them is - in 90% of cases - really intuitive and leaves you with a default installation that would satisfy most "I have to work _at_ my PC, not _on_ it" users. Sure, getting the perfect install _for your specific needs_ isn't gonna be just the Ubuntu defaults, but it's still admirable to try and make it as easy as possible for the largest number of users with varying levels of skill.
Also Ubuntu: I'm just going to ignore where you selected to install grub.
Using gentoo is not necessarily to achieve a smaller or faster system. Its to achieve a system that you can administrate without the choices made by distro maintenance teams.
@@Draggobuttboi one of the reasons why i dont recommend ubuntu to new people just use debian also very easy to use and setup but is far more reliable
The best install is debian, it's intuitive and can be tailored to your needs if you want to. It's not hard locked like Ubuntu, and not stupid like Arch.
The only "issue" is with non-free packages, but that's just one command you need to put in.
@@Schultz3 as stable as debian is i prefer to use arch, im a lot more used to it
I like the fact that you pick "The only thing they fear is you" for Gentoo
Arch users feeling like top tier hackers after merely copy pasting every step on the wiki and not even understanding what or why they’re doing it 😂
haven't even touched Arch yet but I had a feeling it'd be like that
Copying is completely fine cause the wiki is meant for it, and you also don't want to screw up your machine. But bragging rights come with understanding each of those steps.
you only get to brag when you do it from memory B)
@@chevvvv nowadays it comes with archinstall so it got a lot simpler
I mean you just create, format and mount partitions and use packstrap to install the things needed for a working system.
i once installed gentoo on a core 2 duo thinkpad with 2 gigs of ram on an old hdd.
I also made breakfast & dinner on the laptop whilst it was compiling everything
talk about multi tasking
You know you have gone to far, when you want to install gentoo to relax.
damn
yeah everybody knows that freebsd is clearly superior to gentoo
Unironically I find installing Gentoo to be therapeutic. After you've done it a few times, you get familiar - nothing about it is scary and it becomes routine. So I actually find doing a Gentoo install with a new target goal (maybe another DE, maybe another init, let's try musl, etc.) to be a good way to unwind while solidifying my Linux skills and probably learning a new thing or two while I'm at it.
@@degastar my dad sometimes looks over my shoulder and says, how do you remember all that. I had the same when he was working with floppy disks.
Ive looked in the docs of Gentoo and its nice. If you take your time to read and have worked with linux before, you will figure it out.
Although ive worked with Parrot, blackarch and kali in the past to test my LAN, i personally found a automated and minimalist design more pleasant, but to each there own.
Gentoo: what windows users think linux users do
Arch: what linux users tell windows users they do
Ubuntu: what linux users actually do 90% of the time
🤓Not trueeee 😢I use arch btw
ubuntu for begginers
@@niko.records"People only say Ubuntu is for beginners because they want to feel superior. I *also* say Ubuntu is for beginners, because I *also* want to feel superior."
I went ubuntu then hated canonical so I used debian sud but this year the updates froze to make the testing stable so I went msnjaro and used aur and broke my system... So I installed arch..... Now I proudly say I use ARCH btw...
@@uoooooooohbasic logic
It is the fact that he installed Arch off the top of his mind and proceeded to ask about closing the terminal for me
I'm using Gentoo (with custom kernel config, not some genkernel) daily as my work machine. Yes, it took about 3 months to configure and tweak everything, but it's also as fast as slim as I can probably make it.
You know you can use genkernel to automate the installation and run --menuconfig to configure it before compiling, right?
@@bruxotlaloc wdym by automating installation? I wanted to make sure I'm only using kernel flags required by my hardware and use cases, and nothing more.
@@Liaret by automating install I meant executing all the commands (make, make modules, make modules_install, cp vmlinuz /boot...). You can use genkernel to do that (command is genkernel all). And you can run genkernel with --menuconfig which will prompt the ncurses menuconfig to run before compiling so you can set up your kernel.
@@bruxotlaloc Ah, thanks, good to know! I guess I'm still glad I got thru that experience back then, if anything I had to learn more the inner workings of linux and unix OS's. But I'll def use genkernell all in the future.
@@Liaret I did too! I'm from the time were we didn't have many options to set up stuff. But I'm glad we do have these options today so we can cut a few corners. You might also like to know that you probably have a few kernel configurations in /etc/kernels/ and that you can do make localmodconfig to strip away all unneeded modules from the kernel build. Good luck!
I first used Linux in the late 90s, when I bought a magazine with Slackware 3.5, after that I always believed that Linux only get easier to use with the years.
and you were right! Even the harder distros to use back then are easy to install now. Even slackware nowadays can be installed with ease
I only use Gentoo at home. I have a Gentoo server on my personal network so it refreshes and compiles every day at a specific time, my computers x64_86 immediately pick up when their build is ready via simple scripts. I also have other automatic builds for ARM32&ARM64 along with other builds that demand small amount of space. I've always managed to get more space on the internal disks with super small builds.
In 2014 I spent 2 weeks to install gentoo and since then my knowledge of linux has almost always increased. Only a year ago I installed this system on my PC as the only one and I can confidently say that it is well configured, works stably and if something breaks I have no problem fixing it, no problem setting up kvm/bluetooth/wifi/clang+musl+libcxx/zfs and a bunch of other stuff. Almost everything shown in the video I either remember by heart or know how to find in a couple of minutes.
I sincerely sympathize with people who get into this without proper motivation and a good base. If I wasn't an enthusiast, I'd spit on everything myself and use Windows :D
Am I the only to think Arch installation is pure art? That is a Linux in its most refined form, a black screen and almost zero resources wasted. Like an empty canvas ready for whatever you want to put in it
That would be gentoo
Arch now has a scripted installer on the iso, you don't have to do all this manually anymore. all you had to do was run 'archinstall', and you just choose your options via the procedural menu, and you're done relatively quickly.
this would have been nice to know a month ago
@@groundfx5733 It had been there for a very long time, just a little less fancy and working. Yeah, but it was pretty impossible to find before it got an update and was hyped up. And that happened in like, May? I have used that older version and it could not install a DE, so I had to do a minimal install, and then install a DE myself. It was certainly buggy, but it did the job without me needing to spend hours on the Wiki page.
Yeah, sad times :/
archinstall never worked for me.
It gives me a ton of errors every time.
I heard they made it better since I tried last time, so I tried using it a few days ago. I ended up dicking around with it for literal hours, just the install script crashing and me having to enter the same values again. I then decided to f it and just did it manually. Was done in like half an hour.
@@jort93z Have you submitted the bug report?
Gentu -> One step above Linux-From-Scratch.
The upper level the more exp you need between levels. To install LFS you will need twice your exp if you already tried Gentoo
3:07 Wait a minute he's using Linux Mint
its cinnamont desktop not mint
@@tminhThem80I told Mint because the menu has the Linux Mint Logo
pretty sure its easier to install gentoo from a existing linux os than the install medium
True sigma installs ubuntu, then uses ubuntu as runtime environment to install gentoo. Booots into gentoo to install the ultimate OS, arch linux.
arch makes you feel good that you did a thing when you (eventually) set it up right and the way you want it.
Installing Gentoo has gotten much easier since you don't need to configure and compile a kernel anymore (you can still do it yourself, though). If you just want a running gentoo system and follow the handbook, I guess you could be done installing the base system in about 30-45 minutes; this would leave you with a minimal installation with no desktop environment, no office suite and so on.
Installing those would of course take a while, depending on your processing power and RAM.
I have successfully install gentoo, it took 4 weeks as the compiling took so long at each emerge that that I went away and lived my life, and then eventual remembered.... hmmm I wonder what's next on that install, days could go by between 'teaks' on a plain vanilla install, go away now the law, sleep go to work, one back hmmm, only had one stuff up in the Fstab file, it was pretty plain sailing if Sloooooooowwwwww, old intel Nuc it was,... then tried to install a GUI, plasma, And got a 4 way circular dependency, so at this point I got the gentoo taxidermied and mounted it above the fireplace,
NGL, I don't really see the point installing gentoo without manual kernel configuration, that is one of the main points for using it.
he literally used genkernel. but yeah some aspects of gentoo have gotten easier over time. even from 1 year ago til now.
Ok, you loose some swag points for using ext4 instead of btrfs (ext4 is ok, but looses on swag), you didn't create a user for gentoo, therefore after reboot you will be stuck at the login and clearly your make.conf USE flags missed pipewire or pulseaudio (and don't tell me it's a soundless sever, you added alsa). However 9.99/10.
ALSA alone works just fine 😎
After reboot, I can login as root and continue configuring.
I check if btrfs really better, though
@@Virbox you can login with root? You didn't gave root a password. (I'm just messing with you at this point, it was an aweasome video)
@@fcolecumberri The password doesn't matter - the PC burnt out 🔥
@Xspire why not grub
@@bacalhau_seco Because it isn't swag. It's all about the swag, bro
This video is actually a good install guide lol
make more like this please. seeing installation in some different speeds makes you feel agitated but enjoyed.installation is an art with its all completeness.
Gentoo = stable
Arch = bit less stable
Ubuntu: breaks every second
> Uses iwctl to connect to a network but cfdisk to partition
Nmcli is also good to connect network kid
Cfdisk gives you a visual representation which is much nicer to have for something like disk partitioning. Wifi is super basic so just using cli is pretty good
@@aarohgokhale8832 Disk partitioning is also pretty basic, so you might as well go all the way
@@anshiksingh4130 Or wpa_supplicant
Following the magnificent arch wiki installation guide is not hard. It looks hard, but it's not. And it's insightful. I learned so much about how my computer works simply by installing it myself. I know this doesn't make me a developer or a big nerd able to do everything by myself, but at least it gives me the impression to know my machine.
Honestly, how hard it is entirely depends on how well you know the terminal. The hard part is not really following it, its troubleshooting, You have to actually know what the commands do to know how to figure out what you messed up. BUT, if you know your way around the terminal, then yes, it really isn't that bad.
Arch Linux also features archinstall, which is like any of your standard installer, but in CLI.
Not quite, it's pretty customizable and you can use it as a python library to create your own installer.
The reason unbuntu is used in educational institutions.
What? Because you learn NOTHING while installing?
@@seancondon5572 you know, some people just want to use their computer.
@@AaronTechnic those people should be using windows then.
@@AaronTechnic Mint is better for that than Ubuntu is. Especially if you're using Nvidia
@@seancondon5572 So you're saying that Linux users must learn how to use the terminal?
Ah, I get why you didn’t include LFS. We’d be here for actual hours even sped up.
of course he could have done it and just saved a lot of our time by starting the chroot, and the jump to a screen saying "one eternity later..." and then jump to the final reboot into LFS. 🤣
A Gentoo installation is the first thing our apprentices have to do :) Most of them never used a terminal before.
I feel sorry for them but I feel even more sorry for you, if you're the one teaching
@@TheBoostedDoge Tbh, If you read carefully, and have a motivation to solve problems, it's not that hard. The documentation is really good and the process gives me a lot of feedback about that person. also I want them to ask questions or consult me if they stuck. I just lead them to the answer. I just hate that most of them really stop trying after they fail, and don't even bother to read further or ask.
@@PascalxSome My problem was that I used to hate reading and I'm kinda slow.
Fortunately my Linux tutor (I'm taking a network\sys admin course) is one of those people who if they see potential in you he won't give up on you.
I said I feel bad for you bc in my class there are a lot of people who after 50h of straight up linux seems like they haven't learned anything and simply refuse to make a legitimate attempt to learn.
The thing is, and it's what they don't realize is that it's like you said, if you bother to read and interpret the documentation, it's all there
Anyway man, best of luck with your apprentices I hope you can get some motivation into them.
@@TheBoostedDoge Thanks, also good luck to your journey! Yeah hope they will too, it can be lots of fun too
Even manually installing Kubuntu on a ZFS filesystem is less effort than installing Arch or Gentoo.
Just used archinstall script yesterday, took like 1 min to set up and 5 mins to copy files, result is fully working OS with video drivers and gnome/kde
1:24 real men use fdisk
Or some Neanderthals (ms-dos 3 times)
Nuooo
Somehow the sounds played as you were displaying the logos of the distros felt very accurate 😂
Okay, now I know my frustrations with iwctl is universal. Every time I go to install Arch, I feel like I will never be able to connect to my internet every again.
when you have to run iwctl several times in a week, it tends to get baked into your brain haha. you end up remembering the commands after awhile. or at least that's my experience.
@@zer0pointnothing iwctl station [station] connect [ssd]
Is that right? I won't bother checking.
@@shambhav9534 pretty much. and if you know most of the network's name, TAB complete can make it even easier.
Unrealistic Ubuntu didn’t spontaneously combust for no reason
Це найкраще відео-порівняння яке я міг бачити за весь час використання мною Arch і Gentoo. Дуже повеселило. Дякую
Я радий, що вам сподобалося!
I love how Gentoo promises efficiency while also burning shitload of energy to achieve it
Arch install can be terrifying the 1st times, but after running modded steam games having everything mounted correctly is so satisfying xD
0:52 the 1337 detail
Love how this is so accurate
Stop it, you're giving me The Craving for a new Gentoo build
the weak password is a nice touch
“Minimal” my guy that was like 20 packages you installed, minimal arch is like 6 at most.
I really like your videos 😂😂😂
Both educational and funny and you don't waste time on anything 👌🏻❤️ (other than installing arch btw 😁)
installing arch can be easy too. for those new users of linux who may take this meme a bit too much literal
Me starting my Linux journey: Oh boy I should use Ubuntu/Mint because I am new
Me getting deeper into Linux: Let me try out Fedora.
Deeper: Okay Arch Linux.
D E E P E R : I got some spare time, Gentoo and NixOS let's see what the hype is about
Now: I'ma just use Ubuntu.
Ubuntu with Liquorix kernel is actually pretty snazzy for my usecase. I am not on Mint because I like Ubuntu's UX a lot personally.
Assuming that you don't have another os installed or mutliple disks, archinstall should help you a lot. Unfortunately, it very often isn't the case...
archinstall is only an issue when you want to dual boot on the same drive, since I believe os-prober can still be run and GRUB can be reconfigured after archinstall is done installing on the drive you told it to. But if you are trying to dual boot on one drive, you''re pretty much on your own lol. Correct me if I am wrong, though.
@@zer0pointnothing I'm pretty sure that you can't choose a single partition in there, only a single drive, so if you want to dualboot off one, you need to do a manual installation, it won't take much longer compared to archinstall if you know what to do
@@B1rtek That's what I meant. On a dual boot situation, you can't use archinstall as easily, because you don't have something like cfdisk, making it less user friendly.
Though you technically can, using a built in tool, but for someone who's not used to something like that, it's near impossible.
As a Gentoo user I can confirm I update my system when my room is cold
Arch has the archinstall since a bit...this is piece of cake now!
The misclicks and changing settings to the default is pretty top tier for Ubuntu
I do not blame you for seemingly using a VM for Gentoo.
I love it how the arch hax0r is 'messing with the mirror list'😃 Gentoo music is accurate. 😂
as a gentoo user can confirm thats true
I am now officially watching from my brand new Gentoo install (It's the first time I ever installed linux). Used systemd and kde plasma, it was a fun experience for sure! Now I just gotta wait for steam to compile lol
gentoo + systemd sounds illegal
@@aratof18 I'm not bothering with openrc. It takes much more effort to set up and there's no difference in performance anyway
Bro, Arch feels like a full-blown main-quest line with several side-quests
2 days ago I just decided that it would be fun to make a gentoo VM, it’s my first time with it, howly cow
I'm guessing it's still compiling
@@plebisMaximus You probably fell for the meme because you wanted to feel superior.
Arch, Gentoo, that's cute, i learned how to install Crux :3
crux is not difficult to install just follow the manual 💀
@@redrush-hp9li I did, the manual contradicts itself for VM use :D
installing gentoo can be helpful if you want to learn how to develop your own operating system
The first time I installed Ubuntu, after having messed with Susé and Mandrake in the past, it went so smoothly and quickly I called BS.
Turned out I was wrong. Everything actually _was_ fine.
Time to install Linux from scratch now
I am watching this while my kernel compiles.
It's not a real Arch install until "ILoveCandy" is activated.
How did I know from the title there would be doom metal....I just knew.
1st half a second was the ubuntu install process, rest was waiting for the mouse to move.
Sick riff playing on the gentoo one
Wake up, Neo.
Am i the only one to notice that he pinged BAIDU to test the internet connection
As an Arch user i must tell you that you forgot about problems with installing grub in UEFI mode. Literally, I couldn't get my computer to install grub on UEFI. And on BIOS - no problems
you forgot the part of the linux installation where you forget to install NetworkManager and sudo and have have to go back to the usb drive to install it
installing Arch is fun, only took 6-7 tries 💀
I now reconsidered installing arch
what hacker movies use when "hacking".
Just the other day I saw some "hacker" b-roll footage, which just showed someone installing vim. It's pretty epic.
@@plebisMaximus i saw some movie where a hacker was printing his ping to a server repeatedly 🤣🤣
When did they stop using Enlightenment?
Just doing "ls --color /usr/bin" is enough for things to look like the Matrix to mere users.
Being and arch user (Cause I use arch btw) talking about Gentoo feels like being heavy in the TF2 meet heavy video
When I installed Gentoo first time, it took me like 2 days. I mean seriously. Even with UA-cam tutorial on phone.
Installing arch seems fun!
You have too much time = Gentoo. Time is infinite = LFS. Got wife and kids = Ubuntu.
is the penguin pigeon in the thumbnail from winged experience lol
Maybe 👀
i love that channel
u earned a sub
Thanks and welcome! :D
watching this while compiling my kernel
What is the arch linux installer song?
Should have added parts where the camera jumps from the screen and there is some random demon slaughter and then returning back to definitions.
Gentoo = "The Only Thing They Fear is You"
Only Doom fans will get this joke.
The funny thing about the Arch process is that running archinstall would have sufficed. You don’t have to do a majority of this stuff, and there’s still people insisting on using broken shovelware like Manjaro instead of proper Arch.
As a manjaro user, i agree, manjaro is broken, sometimes it just uh, forgets the taskbar exists and erases ir
Yeah, I tried Manjaro for a while and it's still kinda bad. I was a fool for not using the superior distro all along:
Slackware.
everyone knows pacman -Syu is the real clench moment
Why they make so hard to install?
As an arch and avid linux user I definitely just ran arch-install
Have not you build Red Hat kernels back in the days? :) Nice video.
I'm using Gentoo now, by the way. 😁
Same. Been using it for years. I started Linux with Slackware.
you fell for the meme. 💀
>tries to customize kernel config
>Uses genkernel
Noticed that too. You’re not fooling the Gentoo users UA-camr. 😁
i somehow managed to mess up ubuntu on a vm so bad it couldnt find an os to boot from 😬
God I love computers so much I wish they were harder to use
Hahaha
as a wise person says: gentoo is HOT! I use gentoo and I 100% agree lol
0:18 pix city soundtrack wow, fucking nostalgic
Installing Arch or Gentoo seems more complicated, but you only have to do it once. (Re-)installing Ubuntu is just part of using Ubuntu 😅