@@MentalOutlaw all that takes about 50 minutes to compile on newest Ryzen desktop processors. 14 minutes fo chromium source, Gentoo becomes the Power User's best choice especially with Power User's hardware :)
Just works distro: Automatic transmission Arch: Manual transmission Gentoo: building the car from scratch using some Dr. Seuss machine looking transmission system
@@evildragon1774 watching Linux FS videos are like watching those videos of the random dudes build huts and pools out in the middle of the jungle by hand
Not really, "from scratch" is actually LFS a book titled "Linux From Scratch" Gentoo was made to avoid LFS. Gentoo isn't installed from scratch you just decompress a tarball and run some commands, and then you compile only the packages that you want, if you want Xorg well you compile Xorg. And then whatever WM or Desktop that you want.
Mental Outlaw really deserves our crypto donations. So much great shit on this channel. Gentoo and 3D printed weapons on the same channel, both the ultimate symbols of freedom.
Just installed Linux Manjaro, which is supposed to be Newbe-friendly but I'm struggeling as a 15 year Windows user. My biggest problem rn is that I have to be located right next to the router to get a WIFI connection, whenever I am in another room the symbol in the task bar tells me I am connected, but the websites wont load. So I thought, alright maybe I will try Ubuntu as thats supposed to be the go to Linux disto for newcomers, but I cant find out how the hell I get it to boot from my USB stick. I actually really love the features and design of Manjaro, but if I cant access the web from another room thats a hard no. Never been a problem with Win 10. If anybody has any tips on any of the points in this little rant, Id appreciate it.
@@Roman-tj4bl You really need to check your Wifi drivers. In linux usually manjaro installs all non-free drivers too but in some cases you might be using all open source drivers which gives you very poor performance in some hardware which have obscure hardware. So your best bet might be to find your actual wifi card and search if you have option to install non-free driver for your card if not then buy a usb wifi dongle which has good linux support.
Forgot to mention a few things. Gentoo was created by Daniel Robbins to be an alternative to LFS not to Debian, with the goal to have options in every step of the process, and this includes to offer default binaries or compile from source code. Compiling from source code is the preferred because is the one that allows for more options. Gentoo is not the first distro that Robbins made, Robbins made another distro I think it was Enoch and he followed LFS to make it, then while working on Enoch he tried FreeBSD to see what was about it, then he fell in love with the port system of FreeBSD and that it was a lot more UNIX than Linux. So then Daniel retook Enoch rename it to Gentoo and made Portage. Gentoo also became famous because included a lot of patches to the kernel that made it faster than any other distro. Eventually all distros incorporated this patches and the "advantage" was lost. Gentoo kept growing until 2 events happen. 1. Ubuntu came out 2. the loss of the original Gentoo wiki the original Gentoo wiki was so good that it was the default reference for all things Linux. then without the wiki and with Ubuntu lots of users got tired to deal with the continuous issues with Portage and the USE flags and its multiple files to configure everything and the lack of proper documentation.
So is the old gentoo wiki a lost media?? What has been saved from it? I'm a newcomer to linux but I'm willing to learn how everything works in depth so I can get to more complex distros like Arch and understand what I'm doing and precisely what is my system. Are there any other wikis similar to the old gentoo? Or just, what should I search to get that knowledge?
@@leothehuman_9476 I sent another comment which linked to a reddit post saying that the gentoo wiki (which was actually an unofficial fan project) was almost completely recovered and that it's only a commonly held urban legend in the Linux community that it had been lost. I guess it didn't send because sending links gets caught in spam filters now.
@@leothehuman_9476 yes, I don't remember exactly what happen I think the og Gentoo wiki was hacked and the wiki was deleted, some other Gentoo users had partial back ups and they were able to restore the wiki partially, but is no where near what it used to be, like the trust of the community in keep editing the Gentoo wiki was lost. And yes, the Arch wiki took that place, because when Arch came out, they liked the idea of Gentoo but they wanted a binary first distro, and in a way they are correct because right now Gentoo can't offer a lot of compilation options because -o3 is broken if you compile your Gentoo with that thing you are going to get an unstable system that is going to crash a few more times, not terrible really is still usable but is annoying have to reboot the machine, and defeats the purpose of super-optimizing the system. So Arch eventually gained the trust of the community but is still not up to par to what the og Gentoo wiki was, because the Gentoo team kept some guidelines to make it easier for newbies that really made Gentoo accessible to a lot of people. you can still optimize in terms of the size of the binaries by carefully using the use flags per package and add or remove integrations to other packages. Now if you wanna learn Linux deeply, I think following the book of LFS in tandem with Gentoo/Arch is going to be a great starting point. The best tool you are going to need is persistence and frustration management. To me that is the real barrier, every distro is good for newbies the only problem is that most people lack persistence and frustration management.
As a TA I had to help several students install gentoo for a class. Gentoo is a great distro. Although, compiling massive packages for hours does take a toll. Gentoo discourages trying new software with a lot of dependencies if you are constrained on time. But I do respect it and will switch to it when life settles down.
Gentoo was my first Linux experience back in the mid 2000s as a teen. I had an extra thick install instruction manual and spent hours getting it set up. Good times
@@realdomdom No but I can imagine how painful that must be, haha. I might give Gentoo another try some day in the distant future when I feel like I need some extra pain in my life.
@@adolphin9288 how ironic that i've gotten this reply during my gentoo instalation. at this moment im struggling with mental outlaws video about gentoo instalation. first of all, how the f am i supposed to use the wifi drivers like this
LFS is thousand times painful becaz it doesn't have a package manager. Nice for servers but not for desktop users needing various regularly updated applications... Gentoo on the other hand is simply the Painless LFS.
@flim I'm talking about things like compiling your own kernel, compiling programs from source with specific features enabled, changing the coreutils, etc.
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Could you make a video about init systems like OpenRC and runit compared with SystemD?
I would just start to install Gentoo on Virtual machine and start to play with it. Figuring out what things are actually important to learn is really hard at first. Majority of USE flags for example are useless and there are just too much to learn. After getting Gentoo to work and after managing it awhile, then I would just go and install it to on real hardware, assuming you have secondary computer at hand. You can always configure it more later. Gentoo is interesting in the sense that it seems hard for awhile, but then suddenly you realize you know the system. One day you feel there's endless amounts of hard things to learn, and the next day you feel that you handle the majority of the system. Don't give up, because in the end you will feel more comfortable with your system than with any other system, and that feeling is something that's quite impossible to describe.
You dont need a vm for that. If you already in linux, just download the stage3 and follow the guide as if you booted from their boot media. you dont need to boot into their boot thingie to do chroot. you can even google how to gentoo windows wsl and do it in windows.
You're absolutely right. I myself switched over from Windows directly to Arch and it was the best thing I ever did, even though it was really really hard and exhausting at the beginning but I learned so much interesting and beautiful things and also found my new love named Linux ;D The key to succeed in such a journey is to simply never give up as you already said but I also do think such a distro is not for everybody, so if you don't feel the joy and thirst for knowledge after a certain amount of time, it doesn't make much sense to further force yourself into learning this distro because you heard or read on UA-cam that it's so fulfilling and great.
@@FABESTAH With Gentoo I would say that you are most likely not going to feel joy in the same way that you'll feel with Arch. In the beginning I mean. There's certain period that needs to be pushed through and then it's going to get joyfull. I would say it's kind of like starting to go to gym (except that we all know that gym will work, here you don't know it) where in the beginning you don't see any results for a while and it's really only painful physically and mentally. Gentoo most likely isn't for people who aren't interested in the premise itself. Just the performance improvements (which are plenty) or security benefits etc. are probably not enough to overcome the disadvantages unless the idea of having the system build by yourself is not something that you like. Though Gentoo might be great for systems like Threadrippers etc. as if you config the kernel and have really great compiler config, then you truly can get software running faster on systems with lots of cores. And the compiling itself on those systems is fast. Also if you run distcc server you can use fast computer for compiling Gentoo for old hardware, and you can have Gentoo running fast on absolutely ancient machines, create old laptops for browsing etc. create old desktops as media center machines etc.
I run it with dual core laptop. No problems. You only need to change the attitude towards updating and allow it to happen on the background or when you are not using your computer. Any other patience really isn't needed as the system is exactly as I want, thus I don't need to be patient with BS that other distros would force upon me.
LS memes aside, this is why I stuck with Artix. It does take time and effort to use Gentoo, which currently I'm focusing into other things. Maybe in a couple of years I'll revisit it.
Many tests have been run and show that those compile tweaks only result in very minor improvements, which are not visible from a human's experience. Especially if you have a top-notch CPU to compile your system in a reasonable time, like many commentators on this thread are saying. And compiling at night may be good, but waking-up to an error message with emerge and a broken computer for the day is definitely not that great... However i think installing and maintaining it for a while is a great learning experience for getting to know Linux.
Arch is not for bragging rights. In many ways it is easy mode Linux. Installing most software is a breeze and you have access to all the latest and greatest. No PPA or SNAP BS. You just have to be a more experience Linux user for the occasion it breaks. You don't even have to be that experienced if you are willing to reinstall once or twice a year. (keep a separate HOME partition, boys and girls) BTW, I used Gentoo for a year or two back in the aughts, before switching to Ubuntu until that was ruined by Gnome 3 and Unity. Gentoo is great in theory, but in practice the tradeoffs are just not worth it. Good for learning though.
True! Used to think that arch is very hard to use, so I stuck with Linux mint, and a few distro hopping for a while. But I'm quite annoyed with some files being there that I don't use at all, so I tried arch, oh damn I actually appreciate how arch lets me compile stuff, not too easy and then sacrificing some freedom to compiling, but not too hard for me to cry for days trying to compile. It even has a heavily detailed wiki and yt videos instructions (even archinstall) The experience helped me understand how linux works as a whole. Definitely not going for Gentoo though as main, but for experiencing within VB, sure.
The Gentoo install I did ~15 years ago was a nightmare, but I learned a lot. Back then Linux was just for learning for me, I just wanted to learn as much as I could about Linux and computers.
When I was in high school I attempted to install Gentoo. It didn't work out very well (I couldn't install any packages because portage was broken), but I learnt a lot in the process.
For me, I'm able to install a bare-minimum setup. But just got stuck and gave up on installing xorg + DE. I might also revisit it when I have a lot of time.
But that's the point with Gentoo. It's not about being able to install a fully functional os, the point is how much you learned during the process even if you don't exactly end up with a functional os.
@@nd_otd I ran into the same issue. when I did a few years ago the documentation for getting there in the handbook was both incomplete and outdated(a lot of the commands simply didn't exist anymore), I had to jury-rig a patch work of BS from like 8 different videos/sites, to even get to a DE. It sadly broke after an update the next day. i'll never do it again. too painful. I gained a greater appreciation for Arch 🤣
I'd like to try Gentoo for maximum minimalism to get the most out of old hardware like ancient Thinkpads or cheapo ARM SBCs, but those platforms would also take the longest to compile anything, so it's kind of self-defeating (unless you cross-compile on your desktop/VM for deployment on weaker platforms).
I love Gentoo for automatically including local patches from /etc/portage/patches when building packages. I have maybe half a dozen packages where I've tweaked them with local packages, and thanks to Portage, it keeps my patches when the package is updated, and I only have to worry about it when the upstream changes enough that my patches fail to apply or compile.
I have Gentoo on my machine and i probably wont ever migrate away from it. The software is literally compiled for your hardware and nothing else. This removes alot of bloat and allows u to only build for your PC. It is the most stable system i have ever installed. It never freezes, never crashes. I use musl hardened selinux profile and use Sway. Using lto-overlay, my whole system is also compiled with gcc graphite and lto. I have the newest GNU Icecat for my browser compiled with pgo and lto optimizations. Youll learn alot from the installation and it will take time but you will have a superior end product with total control of how the software is built. Its worth it
thanks for this really informative video. I am new to Linux and I heard about Gentoo before. but I understood that Gentoo is probably not suited for users like me whose workload is much much lighter than the machine they have access to. but installing Gentoo does look like a fun project to know more about computers in general.
With gentoo you had to know how your system works. But there is ability to understand as much as you need. There are already profiles with configured packages sets for popular desktop environments. Also it has precompiled binary kernel. Some packages are both binary and sorce code so you able to avoid recompiling some huge things as java and firefox. Gentoo is useful if you want to choose drivers in your kernel, if you want to configure network components from scratch, if you want to have full control over the system. Also it is unique with portage package management which allows you to compile as much as you need excluding some modules as said in video. And you can also extend your system with some flatpack applications if you need. Gentoo is suitable for building minimalistic systems. There are a number of windows managers such as i3 and etc. And you don't need to remove old desktop environment to install it.
I assume it would be possible to have a dedicated compiling rig on your network. Maybe set up some monitored folders so that when you drop a package in a given folder it gets compiled with a certain set of flags for a specific machine. The resulting binary gets sent to a local repository where the target machine can see it. You could also then archive those binaries to simplify reinstalling if needed. That gives you the flexibility and control of Gentoo with some of the convenience of a lesser distro.
Your have a great, smooth, soothing recording voice. Some Linux content creators have such a grating voice and I know I shouldn’t judge who I listen to based on that but it’s hard wired ...
Honestly that's the best way to go. Im a proud distrohopper. I thought Arch was cool until it fucked itself because of a bug, Arch hates XFCE and doesnt play nicely with it. An entire evening of work, wasted. Ubuntu doesn't shit-the-bed and waste your time like Arch does.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 That might just be a person experience. I have never had arch break once unless I explicitly did something and arch didn’t like it. I have also used xfce on arch and never had a problem. Of course it’s been a couple years since I switching to a tiling window manager so it could be a newer bug but my point still stands that everyone will have a different personal experience.
@@evildragon1774 I'm certainly not on my early days anymore but still consider myself a novice/casual user, I did distrohop until I reached the Arch Linux on laptop meme, when they moved to systemd I moved to Archbang but never felt comfortable enough so after staying for years on Linux Mint Debian I moved to Ubuntu mostly because Mint stopped offering MATE oob
@@hedgeearthridge6807 I think when moving between Linux branches the best way to get your feet wet is by trying a novice friendly fork of it; I did try Manjaro and it isn't harder to install than Ubuntu but we need to understand that things are done in a different way
Mint is based off Ubuntu but does have a Debian edition. In fact, the Debian edition is considered THE most stable distro there is because of how stable and tested Debian is and Mint uses the previous Debian edition for extra stability. LMDE is actually a nice distro (and yes I'm a Windows user as well as Linux).
For me at least, fixing a system you messed up is just part of the package with a do-it-yourself distro (even Arch which doesn't have the compile times but can still be a PITA to re-setup). Especially since Windows breaking was the first catalyst i had into installing my first distro (Ubuntu) , and then my progression onto learning more about Linux after I managed to break something low level.
Thank you. I last used Gentoo about 11 years ago and liked it but went back to Debian based. By the way, as a Canadian I always thought it was "Pore-tahj". Jes suis desole.
Long time Gentoo user on and off (depending on want/need/time). Still my absolute favorite distro. I always struggle getting these key points across or even worded clearly. Now I'll just link them here. Nailed it. :)
Thank you thank you thank you. Every surface level explanation I have found on Gentoo either starts and ends with "Gentoo good" or is "Gentoo full install guide and setup (play time 2 hours and 50 minuets)"
i like gentoo, and some day I'll start using it. right now i use debian and i compile most packages/tools i use from source. usually i add -march=native and -O3 to the compiler flags. so far it's been great
I'm sorta new to GNU/Linux and I'm trying it out right now and I'm enjoying it. The main reason why I trying Linux is that I want to learn how it works and how to use it. My first distro is Arch Linux because I like the concept of customizing your OS so you're aware of what's running and what's on your system. I'll try out Gentoo if learn enough about Linux in general but for now I'll continue to use Arch. PS: Thank you for teaching me how to install Arch.
I installed gentoo and let me tell ya it's definetely a time sink. The process itself is not that hard but if you get down the rabbit hole of USE flags you will be down there a while. Gentoo is the closest thing to being a distro maintainer in the sense that you are building the packages and determining which USE flags to use and how to customize everything. IMO for a Desktop user it's way too much but for someone who wants to REALLY learn GNU/Linux and learn about computer hardware it's a great distro to have. Even Arch Linux is much easier to maintain day to day than Gentoo. With Arch is pretty easy to have up to date packages while with Gentoo you know that any big update means a long emerge session.
Nice informative vid as always. I like my LMint for now, over a year using it. I wish I was a bit better on using the Terminal. I use Zorin OS for my extra PC as entertainment on my TV. Linux is free and fun really.
Gentoo makes me remind of Android custom roms, where it takes several hours to compile the OS, the Kernel, and the apps depending on the computer specs.
The main structural growing pains gentoo emerge/ebuild/portage need to solve are: 1. Reproducibility by removing build entropy as many other distros have done for build caching and supply chain assurance security reasons 2. Add a shared public global build cache for build acceleration with random % spot rebuilds for security reasons.... there is no reason for identical environments to rebuild the world and then not share and reuse resulting output artifacts for others to use 3. Messy bleed-through (lack of precise isolation based on dependency declaration) of build and runtime environments 4. Better arm64 (aarch64) support 5. Faster stabilization and modernization of gentoo portage & guru packages, preferably with less emphasis on patching and more emphasis on driving fixes including configuration support upstream. AI might be useful here to propose incremental updates.
“Gentoo is the linux endgame” - i run gentoo, but i disagree. If there is such a thing, it is probably one of the declaratively configured operating systems like nix or guix. I’d like to try nix out but i’ve been too happy with gentoo. I’ve read a lot of nix documentation and the package/config ideas behind it are fascinating.
All those things you listed are all possible to do in other distros like void, artix or even debian. It just takes extra time and it's not baked into the install process.
Except that if you compile things from scratch on other distros that are distributed as binaries through the package managers, you will typically have to manually check for updates or at least write your own script instead of something like "sudo pacman -Syu" or "emerge --sync" and other emerge commands
What do you think about running your own private ports server that would automatically build all your packages with appropriate use flags and cflags so that when you need to rebuild your desktop you could just download precompiled packages optimized for your specific system? It's not like either of those things changes very often.
Damn, seeing Linux Mint, brings back nostalgia. When the whole Linux ecosystem was new to me and there was a shit ton of stuff to explore. Now it's like a game you've played for too long. It's not exciting in the slightest anymore. I also have very nice memories of XFCE on Gentoo and FreeBSD.
I don't think there's a better distribution than Gentoo. But I have been playing with NixOS for the Nix language (unfortunately, it uses Lennartware). Maybe a video on NixOS in your series on distributions of the the GNU+Linux system?
What I truly hate about Gentoo is it behaves like Windows. It will only work on the machine it is installed on, you wish to migrate the hdd/ssd to another computer? It won't work, you have to reformat. What I love about Linux is its general sense a "portable OS", where the OS drive can be migrated to other machines without the need to reinstall it again from scratch.
Depends on the useflags and compiler options you use. You could also compile bloat binaries (and there are even precompiled binaries if you want to skip compiling the big packages) but Gentoo shines in optimizing your Distro and Kernel to your system. And you can port your Gentoo to a new System. I updated my system for years and I did not reinstall you only need to change your flags / Kerneloptions cpu flags etc.
Use OpenZFS or BRRFS or LVM to create snapshots before doing system package updates for easy point in time system resore points that can easily be rolled back to should something go wrong that will take a while to fix especially if time is a problem.
@Mental_Outlaw Official Linux support for the apple M1 MacBooks is coming in the next kernel patch (v5.13); I would love to see a simplified tutorial on how to switch over to Gentoo on Apple Silicon!
Artix OpenRC (Xfce) is near perfection for me. But wishing ZFS was native :( Timeshift for daily (especially before updates/config changes) backups is awesome :)
I mainly use Gentoo because it's the only thing that supports my Sun T5240; current Solaris on it is unsupported. It's still rough on the edges, even for Gentoo.
first linux install I've ever tried was gentoo, I can fondly remember ending up with a broken install without a DE and a bricked system after that I tried ubuntu and that worked out a bit better
Last time I used Gentoo to save time I ended up using a pre-built kernel and installing most of what I used via Flatpak or Toolbox (Fedora's podman/buildah container utility). After a few weeks of that I started questioning what was even the point of using Gentoo for me and went back to another distro. Though if you want a really minimal core with container based user space it seems like Gentoo might be a pretty good choice.
I wonder how many dependencies can be stripped from Pianobar on Gentoo, because on Homebrew/MacPorts it is a hell of the graphic libraries and codecs for something that is just console Pandora client.
Linux Mint is for newbs who just want something that works Ubuntu is for people who want a nice middle ground Arch is for people who like customization but dont wanna spend 8 hours getting a single package to work Gentoo is for people that want to know everything that goes on in their system Linux from scratch is for- uh... hmmm... just write your own kernel at that point- it's easier.
Install Gentoo on Virtual machine, don't stop until you have it configured the way you want. That's the easiest way of doing it, you can do it on the pace you want, have browser open in the next window and read the manual, and duckduckgo for the answers for possible problems. It seems hard as phuck to everyone in the beginning, but that steep learning curve stops suddenly. There really isn't that much you need to learn, even though it seems that way all the way up until it doesn't. To me it took couple of weeks to feel secure with my system, and perhaps two months when I felt completely at ease with it. I would say it's like giving up smoking, pretty much anyone can do it if they have the willpower. And once you have suffered for couple of weeks to couple of months, you will be forever grateful that you did it.
@Nadeko After you learn Gentoo it really doesn't take time to maintain, at least it haven't for me. Updating takes time, but you can update on the background, or update when you are not using your computer. If you only have one computer, then just install it in virtual machine. And I would encourage that route anyway, as you get to pause the install process, have snapshots during your progress, and have browser open on the side. Then if you choose you can install it without worries. Updating takes time, or compiling takes time, updating works as well as within other distros. You can update on the background, or when you are not using the computer. That really isn't a problem, you get used to that different paradigm quite fast. Arch is great, though Gentoo gives you so much, and it gives you things you just couldn't know in advance. The feeling it gives is just superior.
what a nice looking distro, hopefully it doesn't take 70 hours to install it
Nah, even my 1k packages with LTO Graphite and 03 settings only takes about a day to compile on a 4790k
What if 69 hours tho
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@@MentalOutlaw What about a 4 core laptop pentium @ 1.7GHz?
@@MentalOutlaw all that takes about 50 minutes to compile on newest Ryzen desktop processors. 14 minutes fo chromium source, Gentoo becomes the Power User's best choice especially with Power User's hardware :)
@@greatcanadianmoose3965 What about a 2 core celeron @ 1.6GHz and 4GB RAM?
Just works distro: Automatic transmission
Arch: Manual transmission
Gentoo: building the car from scratch using some Dr. Seuss machine looking transmission system
Linux from scratch: building a home by using your own buit tools.
@@evildragon1774 watching Linux FS videos are like watching those videos of the random dudes build huts and pools out in the middle of the jungle by hand
Just works is Automatic transmission with manual mode when needed
TempleOS:
Blessing every Brick of the Holy Temple with "Holy Holy Holy" 33 times before laying it down.
Not really, "from scratch" is actually LFS a book titled "Linux From Scratch" Gentoo was made to avoid LFS.
Gentoo isn't installed from scratch you just decompress a tarball and run some commands, and then you compile only the packages that you want, if you want Xorg well you compile Xorg. And then whatever WM or Desktop that you want.
gentoochads workout while compiling so they are always buffed
this is actually not a bad idea
They workout their Doritos addiction
Every time you need to compile, you do one push-up.
@@aprender1952 30 push-ups in a day
This is genius.
You probably see the lowest youtube adsense revenues because your audience actually knows how to install an adblocker!
Some of us have YT Premium, so hopefully he gets enough money to be worth it :)
Well I'm watching this on mobile in bed, so that's revenue for our boi
@@blyaticon8190 If you have an android you can block sponsors and ads on your phone using vanced
Mental Outlaw really deserves our crypto donations. So much great shit on this channel. Gentoo and 3D printed weapons on the same channel, both the ultimate symbols of freedom.
I watch most of his videos on my phone.
I have newpipe but only use it to download music.
My mom(previous Windows user) is using Linux Mint, and she didn't even noticed that(I applied a Windows 10 theme on Cinnamon)
Not relevant to the video
Just installed Linux Manjaro, which is supposed to be Newbe-friendly but I'm struggeling as a 15 year Windows user. My biggest problem rn is that I have to be located right next to the router to get a WIFI connection, whenever I am in another room the symbol in the task bar tells me I am connected, but the websites wont load. So I thought, alright maybe I will try Ubuntu as thats supposed to be the go to Linux disto for newcomers, but I cant find out how the hell I get it to boot from my USB stick. I actually really love the features and design of Manjaro, but if I cant access the web from another room thats a hard no. Never been a problem with Win 10. If anybody has any tips on any of the points in this little rant, Id appreciate it.
@@wp6007 Mental Outlaw literally mentioned Linux Mint on the video, so yes it is relevant to the video.
@@Roman-tj4bl You really need to check your Wifi drivers. In linux usually manjaro installs all non-free drivers too but in some cases you might be using all open source drivers which gives you very poor performance in some hardware which have obscure hardware. So your best bet might be to find your actual wifi card and search if you have option to install non-free driver for your card if not then buy a usb wifi dongle which has good linux support.
@@antonyjr.devlogs5957 not open source not non-free as the software that is proprietary is still "free" (might be stealing data who knows)
Forgot to mention a few things.
Gentoo was created by Daniel Robbins to be an alternative to LFS not to Debian, with the goal to have options in every step of the process, and this includes to offer default binaries or compile from source code. Compiling from source code is the preferred because is the one that allows for more options.
Gentoo is not the first distro that Robbins made, Robbins made another distro I think it was Enoch and he followed LFS to make it, then while working on Enoch he tried FreeBSD to see what was about it, then he fell in love with the port system of FreeBSD and that it was a lot more UNIX than Linux. So then Daniel retook Enoch rename it to Gentoo and made Portage.
Gentoo also became famous because included a lot of patches to the kernel that made it faster than any other distro. Eventually all distros incorporated this patches and the "advantage" was lost.
Gentoo kept growing until 2 events happen.
1. Ubuntu came out
2. the loss of the original Gentoo wiki
the original Gentoo wiki was so good that it was the default reference for all things Linux.
then without the wiki and with Ubuntu lots of users got tired to deal with the continuous issues with Portage and the USE flags and its multiple files to configure everything and the lack of proper documentation.
So is the old gentoo wiki a lost media?? What has been saved from it?
I'm a newcomer to linux but I'm willing to learn how everything works in depth so I can get to more complex distros like Arch and understand what I'm doing and precisely what is my system.
Are there any other wikis similar to the old gentoo? Or just, what should I search to get that knowledge?
@@leothehuman_9476 The Arch wiki seems to have taken that spot.
@@redcoat4348 I have already read it and it didn't help so much, but well anyways in the end I've managed to install Arch (btw).
@@leothehuman_9476 I sent another comment which linked to a reddit post saying that the gentoo wiki (which was actually an unofficial fan project) was almost completely recovered and that it's only a commonly held urban legend in the Linux community that it had been lost. I guess it didn't send because sending links gets caught in spam filters now.
@@leothehuman_9476 yes, I don't remember exactly what happen I think the og Gentoo wiki was hacked and the wiki was deleted, some other Gentoo users had partial back ups and they were able to restore the wiki partially, but is no where near what it used to be, like the trust of the community in keep editing the Gentoo wiki was lost.
And yes, the Arch wiki took that place, because when Arch came out, they liked the idea of Gentoo but they wanted a binary first distro, and in a way they are correct because right now Gentoo can't offer a lot of compilation options because -o3 is broken if you compile your Gentoo with that thing you are going to get an unstable system that is going to crash a few more times, not terrible really is still usable but is annoying have to reboot the machine, and defeats the purpose of super-optimizing the system. So Arch eventually gained the trust of the community but is still not up to par to what the og Gentoo wiki was, because the Gentoo team kept some guidelines to make it easier for newbies that really made Gentoo accessible to a lot of people.
you can still optimize in terms of the size of the binaries by carefully using the use flags per package and add or remove integrations to other packages.
Now if you wanna learn Linux deeply, I think following the book of LFS in tandem with Gentoo/Arch is going to be a great starting point. The best tool you are going to need is persistence and frustration management. To me that is the real barrier, every distro is good for newbies the only problem is that most people lack persistence and frustration management.
As a TA I had to help several students install gentoo for a class. Gentoo is a great distro. Although, compiling massive packages for hours does take a toll. Gentoo discourages trying new software with a lot of dependencies if you are constrained on time. But I do respect it and will switch to it when life settles down.
World woud be prettier with fewer dependencies
Gentoo was my first Linux experience back in the mid 2000s as a teen. I had an extra thick install instruction manual and spent hours getting it set up. Good times
Ever installed Gentoo on the Wii? It's the reason I hate SquashFS.
@@realdomdom No but I can imagine how painful that must be, haha. I might give Gentoo another try some day in the distant future when I feel like I need some extra pain in my life.
@peter.johnson idk man. Like sure knowing excel at that age like I did was something intensive and stuff but I doubt you actually did that
@@sresshowdown installing gentoo is just reading, copying and pasting commands, its not really difficult
@@adolphin9288 how ironic that i've gotten this reply during my gentoo instalation. at this moment im struggling with mental outlaws video about gentoo instalation. first of all, how the f am i supposed to use the wifi drivers like this
"Pretty much the Linux endgame":
LFS would like to have a word with you
@flim Shut up
LFS is thousand times painful becaz it doesn't have a package manager. Nice for servers but not for desktop users needing various regularly updated applications...
Gentoo on the other hand is simply the Painless LFS.
@flim shut it gentoo noob
@flim Gentoo is a distribution for noobs. Everything Gentoo can do you can do on other distributions easier.
@flim I'm talking about things like compiling your own kernel, compiling programs from source with specific features enabled, changing the coreutils, etc.
Could you make a video about init systems like OpenRC and runit compared with SystemD?
That would be nice
I'd wanna see that
Yes please
Would like to see this too!
Runit boots faster than SoystemD.
I would just start to install Gentoo on Virtual machine and start to play with it. Figuring out what things are actually important to learn is really hard at first. Majority of USE flags for example are useless and there are just too much to learn. After getting Gentoo to work and after managing it awhile, then I would just go and install it to on real hardware, assuming you have secondary computer at hand. You can always configure it more later.
Gentoo is interesting in the sense that it seems hard for awhile, but then suddenly you realize you know the system. One day you feel there's endless amounts of hard things to learn, and the next day you feel that you handle the majority of the system. Don't give up, because in the end you will feel more comfortable with your system than with any other system, and that feeling is something that's quite impossible to describe.
You dont need a vm for that. If you already in linux, just download the stage3 and follow the guide as if you booted from their boot media. you dont need to boot into their boot thingie to do chroot. you can even google how to gentoo windows wsl and do it in windows.
Oh yes, I felt the same thing 4 months ago
Thats like playing hitman for the first time not knowing anything vs playing the level for the 100th time killing everyone in one run
You're absolutely right. I myself switched over from Windows directly to Arch and it was the best thing I ever did, even though it was really really hard and exhausting at the beginning but I learned so much interesting and beautiful things and also found my new love named Linux ;D
The key to succeed in such a journey is to simply never give up as you already said but I also do think such a distro is not for everybody, so if you don't feel the joy and thirst for knowledge after a certain amount of time, it doesn't make much sense to further force yourself into learning this distro because you heard or read on UA-cam that it's so fulfilling and great.
@@FABESTAH With Gentoo I would say that you are most likely not going to feel joy in the same way that you'll feel with Arch. In the beginning I mean. There's certain period that needs to be pushed through and then it's going to get joyfull.
I would say it's kind of like starting to go to gym (except that we all know that gym will work, here you don't know it) where in the beginning you don't see any results for a while and it's really only painful physically and mentally.
Gentoo most likely isn't for people who aren't interested in the premise itself. Just the performance improvements (which are plenty) or security benefits etc. are probably not enough to overcome the disadvantages unless the idea of having the system build by yourself is not something that you like.
Though Gentoo might be great for systems like Threadrippers etc. as if you config the kernel and have really great compiler config, then you truly can get software running faster on systems with lots of cores. And the compiling itself on those systems is fast.
Also if you run distcc server you can use fast computer for compiling Gentoo for old hardware, and you can have Gentoo running fast on absolutely ancient machines, create old laptops for browsing etc. create old desktops as media center machines etc.
gentoo is void/arch for people with a lot of CPU cores and a lot of patience
I run it with dual core laptop. No problems. You only need to change the attitude towards updating and allow it to happen on the background or when you are not using your computer. Any other patience really isn't needed as the system is exactly as I want, thus I don't need to be patient with BS that other distros would force upon me.
@@juzujuzu4555 or you can have a life and switch to a superior os like FreeBSD or even arch.
@@player-8740 "wow this program/os has 2 features i dont use, must be bloat!"
@@mrherpes2971 BSD is a cuck OS
@Asshaker "i use arch btw"
It's such a little thing, but I really like that you said "Enjoy the rest of your day". Thank you!
Loving these frequent uploads
if gentoo is so great where's genthree
how 'bout genone
how about gendeez
Hey, I don't know who you are but I hate you from deep in my heart.
@@cosmic5934 deez nuts
@@cosmic5934 and what of genutz?
i love this kind of big picture videos about linux stuff /
LS memes aside, this is why I stuck with Artix. It does take time and effort to use Gentoo, which currently I'm focusing into other things. Maybe in a couple of years I'll revisit it.
Many tests have been run and show that those compile tweaks only result in very minor improvements, which are not visible from a human's experience. Especially if you have a top-notch CPU to compile your system in a reasonable time, like many commentators on this thread are saying. And compiling at night may be good, but waking-up to an error message with emerge and a broken computer for the day is definitely not that great...
However i think installing and maintaining it for a while is a great learning experience for getting to know Linux.
Arch is not for bragging rights. In many ways it is easy mode Linux. Installing most software is a breeze and you have access to all the latest and greatest. No PPA or SNAP BS. You just have to be a more experience Linux user for the occasion it breaks. You don't even have to be that experienced if you are willing to reinstall once or twice a year. (keep a separate HOME partition, boys and girls)
BTW, I used Gentoo for a year or two back in the aughts, before switching to Ubuntu until that was ruined by Gnome 3 and Unity. Gentoo is great in theory, but in practice the tradeoffs are just not worth it. Good for learning though.
True! Used to think that arch is very hard to use, so I stuck with Linux mint, and a few distro hopping for a while. But I'm quite annoyed with some files being there that I don't use at all, so I tried arch, oh damn I actually appreciate how arch lets me compile stuff, not too easy and then sacrificing some freedom to compiling, but not too hard for me to cry for days trying to compile. It even has a heavily detailed wiki and yt videos instructions (even archinstall) The experience helped me understand how linux works as a whole. Definitely not going for Gentoo though as main, but for experiencing within VB, sure.
I would love to know about your overall experience in Gentoo though.
The Gentoo install I did ~15 years ago was a nightmare, but I learned a lot. Back then Linux was just for learning for me, I just wanted to learn as much as I could about Linux and computers.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHEN YOU’RE GONNA UPLOAD.
GOD HAS BLESSED ME
Praise the sun.
When I was in high school I attempted to install Gentoo. It didn't work out very well (I couldn't install any packages because portage was broken), but I learnt a lot in the process.
For me, I'm able to install a bare-minimum setup. But just got stuck and gave up on installing xorg + DE. I might also revisit it when I have a lot of time.
But that's the point with Gentoo. It's not about being able to install a fully functional os, the point is how much you learned during the process even if you don't exactly end up with a functional os.
@@mikopiko
The OS where having a working OS is not the point
@@nd_otd I ran into the same issue. when I did a few years ago the documentation for getting there in the handbook was both incomplete and outdated(a lot of the commands simply didn't exist anymore), I had to jury-rig a patch work of BS from like 8 different videos/sites, to even get to a DE. It sadly broke after an update the next day. i'll never do it again. too painful. I gained a greater appreciation for Arch 🤣
@@imzesok yeah, that was the time I stopped hopping into other distros and just stuck with Arch
I'd like to try Gentoo for maximum minimalism to get the most out of old hardware like ancient Thinkpads or cheapo ARM SBCs, but those platforms would also take the longest to compile anything, so it's kind of self-defeating (unless you cross-compile on your desktop/VM for deployment on weaker platforms).
distcc gang rise up
@@universallyepicnarwhal9102 i cant figure out distcc lmao
well i dont think you will ever be using gentoo
We miss your gentoo video. Excited to see it
I love Gentoo for automatically including local patches from /etc/portage/patches when building packages. I have maybe half a dozen packages where I've tweaked them with local packages, and thanks to Portage, it keeps my patches when the package is updated, and I only have to worry about it when the upstream changes enough that my patches fail to apply or compile.
I have Gentoo on my machine and i probably wont ever migrate away from it. The software is literally compiled for your hardware and nothing else. This removes alot of bloat and allows u to only build for your PC. It is the most stable system i have ever installed. It never freezes, never crashes. I use musl hardened selinux profile and use Sway. Using lto-overlay, my whole system is also compiled with gcc graphite and lto. I have the newest GNU Icecat for my browser compiled with pgo and lto optimizations. Youll learn alot from the installation and it will take time but you will have a superior end product with total control of how the software is built. Its worth it
Starting with gentoo today :) Thank you for the introduction =)
thanks for this really informative video. I am new to Linux and I heard about Gentoo before. but I understood that Gentoo is probably not suited for users like me whose workload is much much lighter than the machine they have access to.
but installing Gentoo does look like a fun project to know more about computers in general.
With gentoo you had to know how your system works. But there is ability to understand as much as you need. There are already profiles with configured packages sets for popular desktop environments. Also it has precompiled binary kernel. Some packages are both binary and sorce code so you able to avoid recompiling some huge things as java and firefox. Gentoo is useful if you want to choose drivers in your kernel, if you want to configure network components from scratch, if you want to have full control over the system. Also it is unique with portage package management which allows you to compile as much as you need excluding some modules as said in video. And you can also extend your system with some flatpack applications if you need. Gentoo is suitable for building minimalistic systems. There are a number of windows managers such as i3 and etc. And you don't need to remove old desktop environment to install it.
I assume it would be possible to have a dedicated compiling rig on your network. Maybe set up some monitored folders so that when you drop a package in a given folder it gets compiled with a certain set of flags for a specific machine. The resulting binary gets sent to a local repository where the target machine can see it. You could also then archive those binaries to simplify reinstalling if needed. That gives you the flexibility and control of Gentoo with some of the convenience of a lesser distro.
Your have a great, smooth, soothing recording voice. Some Linux content creators have such a grating voice and I know I shouldn’t judge who I listen to based on that but it’s hard wired ...
and here I am feeling all nerdy with my Ubuntu server base + some DE on top
Honestly that's the best way to go. Im a proud distrohopper. I thought Arch was cool until it fucked itself because of a bug, Arch hates XFCE and doesnt play nicely with it. An entire evening of work, wasted. Ubuntu doesn't shit-the-bed and waste your time like Arch does.
Ah yes, my early days. I use to flex my linux to my friends eventhough they don't give a damn about it
@@hedgeearthridge6807 That might just be a person experience. I have never had arch break once unless I explicitly did something and arch didn’t like it. I have also used xfce on arch and never had a problem. Of course it’s been a couple years since I switching to a tiling window manager so it could be a newer bug but my point still stands that everyone will have a different personal experience.
@@evildragon1774 I'm certainly not on my early days anymore but still consider myself a novice/casual user, I did distrohop until I reached the Arch Linux on laptop meme, when they moved to systemd I moved to Archbang but never felt comfortable enough so after staying for years on Linux Mint Debian I moved to Ubuntu mostly because Mint stopped offering MATE oob
@@hedgeearthridge6807 I think when moving between Linux branches the best way to get your feet wet is by trying a novice friendly fork of it; I did try Manjaro and it isn't harder to install than Ubuntu but we need to understand that things are done in a different way
Mint is based off Ubuntu but does have a Debian edition.
In fact, the Debian edition is considered THE most stable distro there is because of how stable and tested Debian is and Mint uses the previous Debian edition for extra stability.
LMDE is actually a nice distro (and yes I'm a Windows user as well as Linux).
For me at least, fixing a system you messed up is just part of the package with a do-it-yourself distro (even Arch which doesn't have the compile times but can still be a PITA to re-setup).
Especially since Windows breaking was the first catalyst i had into installing my first distro (Ubuntu) , and then my progression onto learning more about Linux after I managed to break something low level.
Thank you. I last used Gentoo about 11 years ago and liked it but went back to Debian based. By the way, as a Canadian I always thought it was "Pore-tahj". Jes suis desole.
Long time Gentoo user on and off (depending on want/need/time). Still my absolute favorite distro. I always struggle getting these key points across or even worded clearly. Now I'll just link them here. Nailed it. :)
Can you explain why people are obsessed with making their computer experience as difficult and strenuous as possible?
@Christopher Wiggins yeah but you cant even play valorant or fornite
@Marie ♥ I joined the Linux fascists. Typing this on Gentoo right now.
Oh dear
>seven hours of emerging firefox on my old thinkpad
@@nonetrix3066 because i use 32bit kernel
@Rei Damn we really live in a time where people define you by the devices you own lmao
Thank you thank you thank you. Every surface level explanation I have found on Gentoo either starts and ends with "Gentoo good" or is "Gentoo full install guide and setup (play time 2 hours and 50 minuets)"
i like gentoo, and some day I'll start using it. right now i use debian and i compile most packages/tools i use from source. usually i add -march=native and -O3 to the compiler flags. so far it's been great
"Gentoo is the Linux endgame"
that's all I needed to hear
As linux user and web developer, thank you for explaining why gentoo is not for me.
what were your turn offs in relation to web dev?
@@flowers-for-the-end There wasn't turnoffs really, it's more lack of turn ons. Linux based OS I am using is straightforward for web dev.
@ but gentoo has a beautiful neofetch
Kenny, have you done a video on how you discovered Gentoo? And when you realized it was the distro you would use?
I installed Gentoo on my granny's PC and she's loving it
Where is the hannah montana linux tutorial?
We need this
But Genthree when 😳
NixOS :>
I'm sorta new to GNU/Linux and I'm trying it out right now and I'm enjoying it. The main reason why I trying Linux is that I want to learn how it works and how to use it. My first distro is Arch Linux because I like the concept of customizing your OS so you're aware of what's running and what's on your system. I'll try out Gentoo if learn enough about Linux in general but for now I'll continue to use Arch.
PS: Thank you for teaching me how to install Arch.
Same
I installed gentoo and let me tell ya it's definetely a time sink. The process itself is not that hard but if you get down the rabbit hole of USE flags you will be down there a while. Gentoo is the closest thing to being a distro maintainer in the sense that you are building the packages and determining which USE flags to use and how to customize everything. IMO for a Desktop user it's way too much but for someone who wants to REALLY learn GNU/Linux and learn about computer hardware it's a great distro to have. Even Arch Linux is much easier to maintain day to day than Gentoo. With Arch is pretty easy to have up to date packages while with Gentoo you know that any big update means a long emerge session.
Agreed. To me, it seems a huge investment in time and effort for a slight gain. I shall stay with Debian server and Arch/Mint desktops.
4:09 I hear Baldi in each of this guys videos recently
every copy of Gentoo is personalized
Nice informative vid as always. I like my LMint for now, over a year using it. I wish I was a bit better on using the Terminal. I use Zorin OS for my extra PC as entertainment on my TV. Linux is free and fun really.
Gentoo makes me remind of Android custom roms, where it takes several hours to compile the OS, the Kernel, and the apps depending on the computer specs.
Hands down best Linux UA-camr ever
The main structural growing pains gentoo emerge/ebuild/portage need to solve are:
1. Reproducibility by removing build entropy as many other distros have done for build caching and supply chain assurance security reasons
2. Add a shared public global build cache for build acceleration with random % spot rebuilds for security reasons.... there is no reason for identical environments to rebuild the world and then not share and reuse resulting output artifacts for others to use
3. Messy bleed-through (lack of precise isolation based on dependency declaration) of build and runtime environments
4. Better arm64 (aarch64) support
5. Faster stabilization and modernization of gentoo portage & guru packages, preferably with less emphasis on patching and more emphasis on driving fixes including configuration support upstream. AI might be useful here to propose incremental updates.
Very kool. I like your efforts and articulation mate!
Excellent. That is the best explanation i have had out of all the others. Thank you.
“Gentoo is the linux endgame” - i run gentoo, but i disagree. If there is such a thing, it is probably one of the declaratively configured operating systems like nix or guix. I’d like to try nix out but i’ve been too happy with gentoo. I’ve read a lot of nix documentation and the package/config ideas behind it are fascinating.
All those things you listed are all possible to do in other distros like void, artix or even debian. It just takes extra time and it's not baked into the install process.
Except that if you compile things from scratch on other distros that are distributed as binaries through the package managers, you will typically have to manually check for updates or at least write your own script instead of something like "sudo pacman -Syu" or "emerge --sync" and other emerge commands
Maybe the real Gentoo was the packages we built along the way...
Seems like a good distro for gaming!
What do you think about running your own private ports server that would automatically build all your packages with appropriate use flags and cflags so that when you need to rebuild your desktop you could just download precompiled packages optimized for your specific system? It's not like either of those things changes very often.
Damn, seeing Linux Mint, brings back nostalgia.
When the whole Linux ecosystem was new to me and there was a shit ton of stuff to explore.
Now it's like a game you've played for too long.
It's not exciting in the slightest anymore.
I also have very nice memories of XFCE on Gentoo and FreeBSD.
I'm looking forward to compiling everything so that I can learn programming looking and editing at source code that I really have to use
Last time I was this early, Kenny was reviewing Windows
I don't think there's a better distribution than Gentoo. But I have been playing with NixOS for the Nix language (unfortunately, it uses Lennartware). Maybe a video on NixOS in your series on distributions of the the GNU+Linux system?
"Lennartware" I don't understand the hate for Pottering to this day.
Having done one or two sysinit scripts and systemd service files, I find systemd easier.
Hopefully I can install it on a older laptop, the goal is to have something that's as stripping down as possible, to use for something specific.
What I truly hate about Gentoo is it behaves like Windows. It will only work on the machine it is installed on, you wish to migrate the hdd/ssd to another computer? It won't work, you have to reformat.
What I love about Linux is its general sense a "portable OS", where the OS drive can be migrated to other machines without the need to reinstall it again from scratch.
Depends on the useflags and compiler options you use. You could also compile bloat binaries (and there are even precompiled binaries if you want to skip compiling the big packages) but Gentoo shines in optimizing your Distro and Kernel to your system.
And you can port your Gentoo to a new System. I updated my system for years and I did not reinstall you only need to change your flags / Kerneloptions cpu flags etc.
My windows worked fine when i moved the ssd from my laptop which screen got cracked to my desktop.
Great Video!
Very Informative and Helpfull.
With build servers it is good variant for old hardware
i use gentoo have done that sence september last year loveing it so nice:)
Mental Outlaws videos are good as podcast
okay, nicc. i might start running gentoo now, ty
Say what you want TempleOS will always be my number 1
Took me 6 hours to install and fully configure it to the point i can run Steam games and VFIO vm's
Use OpenZFS or BRRFS or LVM to create snapshots before doing system package updates for easy point in time system resore points that can easily be rolled back to should something go wrong that will take a while to fix especially if time is a problem.
BTRFS...
I was a 15 y Gentoo power user until EAPI 6, iirc. But I switched to Manjaro to save time and power.
If only I had time to set it up
@Mental_Outlaw Official Linux support for the apple M1 MacBooks is coming in the next kernel patch (v5.13); I would love to see a simplified tutorial on how to switch over to Gentoo on Apple Silicon!
I once tried upgrading GCC, by uninstalling the old first.... And that's where my problems started. LOL
Artix OpenRC (Xfce) is near perfection for me. But wishing ZFS was native :(
Timeshift for daily (especially before updates/config changes) backups is awesome :)
greate explaination this is a perfection video for what i was looking for
Chroot is the real mvp of gentoo
Good demonstration. It seem like a cool distro and i like it but no way i use it😂 normal distro already take up much time for me
My first ever Linux install was gentoo.. It took me about 2 weeks to get my ISDN modem years ago to connect to the internet to finish the install
I mainly use Gentoo because it's the only thing that supports my Sun T5240; current Solaris on it is unsupported. It's still rough on the edges, even for Gentoo.
Thinking of installing it on my ancient desktop that contains only 2GB RAM and a Dual Core Pentium Processor. Currently a Debian user.
13 years to compile firefox
my mid term plan is to install artix on my laptop and use that. once i graduate from uni, then ill try out gentoo
first linux install I've ever tried was gentoo, I can fondly remember ending up with a broken install without a DE and a bricked system
after that I tried ubuntu and that worked out a bit better
Last time I used Gentoo to save time I ended up using a pre-built kernel and installing most of what I used via Flatpak or Toolbox (Fedora's podman/buildah container utility). After a few weeks of that I started questioning what was even the point of using Gentoo for me and went back to another distro. Though if you want a really minimal core with container based user space it seems like Gentoo might be a pretty good choice.
Why would you want container based userspace if you are using Gentoo?
Even so you do not need Gentoo. Apline Linux is just fine and a lot easier.
I use arch with a custom kernel :)
Funtoo Linux Important Details Explained. Plz
My first distro was Debian
I found it very easy to set up
I wonder how many dependencies can be stripped from Pianobar on Gentoo, because on Homebrew/MacPorts it is a hell of the graphic libraries and codecs for something that is just console Pandora client.
Linux Mint is for newbs who just want something that works
Ubuntu is for people who want a nice middle ground
Arch is for people who like customization but dont wanna spend 8 hours getting a single package to work
Gentoo is for people that want to know everything that goes on in their system
Linux from scratch is for- uh... hmmm... just write your own kernel at that point- it's easier.
Can you talk about linux phones or "smart"phones in general and which are the least spooked ones to choose from?
When his wild guess about linux mint users is 100% a match to your own.
*He's a **-wizard genius-** interlectual*
Ahaha, im still trying to figure out wtf I'm doing with arch. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll need to be a bit more tech savvy tho
Install Gentoo on Virtual machine, don't stop until you have it configured the way you want. That's the easiest way of doing it, you can do it on the pace you want, have browser open in the next window and read the manual, and duckduckgo for the answers for possible problems.
It seems hard as phuck to everyone in the beginning, but that steep learning curve stops suddenly. There really isn't that much you need to learn, even though it seems that way all the way up until it doesn't. To me it took couple of weeks to feel secure with my system, and perhaps two months when I felt completely at ease with it.
I would say it's like giving up smoking, pretty much anyone can do it if they have the willpower. And once you have suffered for couple of weeks to couple of months, you will be forever grateful that you did it.
@@juzujuzu4555 Once I learned Arch enough (installed it a few days ago) I might consider to switch to gentoo, so I really know whats going on on my pc
@Nadeko After you learn Gentoo it really doesn't take time to maintain, at least it haven't for me. Updating takes time, but you can update on the background, or update when you are not using your computer.
If you only have one computer, then just install it in virtual machine. And I would encourage that route anyway, as you get to pause the install process, have snapshots during your progress, and have browser open on the side.
Then if you choose you can install it without worries.
Updating takes time, or compiling takes time, updating works as well as within other distros. You can update on the background, or when you are not using the computer. That really isn't a problem, you get used to that different paradigm quite fast.
Arch is great, though Gentoo gives you so much, and it gives you things you just couldn't know in advance. The feeling it gives is just superior.
Mental senpai, what is your preferred Gentoo backup solution?
Arch FTW!
Don't kill me please
if you change FTW to BTW, I might snap you🤣
@@bestledisthe no, I don't think i will.
this but replace Arch with Artix!
Love Gentoo….btw, how did you actually fix the kernel panic?
Hey mental ive become a big fan recently and im wondering do you have like a discord or something i can talk to you in?
@@cybergizmo6902 because i want to ask him questions and meet other people that are into this stuff
@@TeslaBitcoinFree The Arch wiki and Gentoo forums is al you need.