That's kinda the point. They realized early on that half the band was wasted during their shows, which could've crippled their revenue if it spilled into the studio where album sales were starting to dwindle. I think replacing ZP and making Vadim sober up was a smart decision. While their studio work is still a bit dated, they sound INCREDIBLE live.
i think Herman's G string went flat during that first solo after the chorus. you can tell, plus you'll see Herman go up a fret attempting to get a better sound
Yeah dragonforce isn’t the same without ZP theart (vocals 2003-2010),the keyboardist (I forgot his name 2003-2018) and Frederic Leclerc (bass 2005-2019) but Marc is a good singer but he can never be better than ZP
@V. S. Werejester he used triggers. Most metal drummers use triggers these days as it makes the double bass stand out more. I dont think it helps the drummer anyway. If anything you hear mistakes more clearly.
If ZP didn't smoke and drink, his voice would probably be as epic as it is on the album. I can't imagine why a power metal vocalist would think it's a good idea to smoke considering what it does to the voice.
I like ZP to death but Marc is the better vocalist because he has a better range. But for personally myself I like ZP more but Marc is the better Vocalist
@jenz269 It's just being clever, really. Most songs from the ZP era, are really vocally challenging, even for a classical trained tenor. Add to that performing said songs for however many nights in a row. That will put a strain on anybody. Especially if party as hard as DF did in those days
Yoshi, yea I'm sure people love to spend money on tickets only to find out the band members are drunk while playing and it sounds like crap. That's real fun
Lots of ripping on D-Force here. Having followed them ever since Valley of the Damned, they surely don't sound like their studio recordings. But no metal band does these days. In the Ultra Beatdown tour, ZP was really sharp and I had more fun at that show than any of their other tours. And Herman and Sam kill the entire songs live. They aren't perfect, but if you've ever tried to play one of their songs, a single one would take out the wrist of most guitar players. The fact that they can do it continuously for nearly 2 hours is superhuman. Dragon force forever.
+grswindl Oh, and to boot, when I saw them in MN, Herman played the solo to this song while crowdsurfing. Get that through your skulls, all your guitar players. People grabbing on his arms and he can nail this floating along on a gropey wave.
+Northern Gardener But Dream Theather guys didn't drink as much as Dragonforce (And it is a fact, that some Asians get drunk faster and easier than Europeans or Americans)
I like how people are saying that the performance here was terrible. The thing is, this was during a time period where the old singer was at the end of his time with this band. Plus, because of how high his vocal range was and how much he abused during concerts, he eventually started struggling to hit certain notes within his range. And to try and counteract that, they tuned down the guitars to a lower scale, but that still didn't help. Other than that, it was a good performance.
People who hate on this band should think twice, dude they don't call them selfs more skilled than any other band, they are just shredding pretty much constantly wich I think is kinda cool, most of the haters probably knows nothing about metal either. These guys are pure power metal, on speed.
I remember seeing them on this tour in late 2008 and they all drank straight up Heinekens and jager bottles attached to their mic stands lol even had a roadie hold drinks with a straw for their drummer to drink. ZP didn’t smoke though so his voice didn’t suffer as much. They played incredible that night though ngl I was beyond impressed
This is definitely my favourite live performance of Through The Fire and Flames. I have to admit, I like ZP Theart way more than Marc Hudson. Both singers are awesome, but ZP is definitely better in my books. :)
Many people complaining about the presentation, that they didn't played it 100% right... Bro, when u are a metal rockstar, there are much more things more important than play YOUR MUSIC like in album record. I probably would be so drunk and happy as they are.
Baiano Frôm Réu this is so true, my last metal concert before the pandemic, the crowd were just happy the band was playing the song while we’re moshing around. It’s really living in the moment
Its dec. 2019 and i came back at drunkforce. I missed them. Ahaha. I told myself that i wanna see them live but it seems the original members will never be together again. Thou dragonforce is evolving now.
god i read all these comments about how it dont sound like the studio stuff im sorry but it it all sounded the way it does in the studio it would suck live i mean i would probably still go cause zp kicks ass but it wouldnt b the same as this i thought it was amazing zps voice is just astounding i love it no complaints here zp forever
On a cold winter morning, in the time before the light In flames of death's eternal reign, we ride towards the fight When the darkness has fallen down, and the times are tough all right The sound of evil laughter falls around the world tonight Fighting hard, fighting on for the steel, through the wastelands evermore The scattered souls will feel the hell, bodies wasted on the shores On the blackest plains in hell's domain, we watch them as they go In fire and pain, now once again, we know So now we fly ever free We're free before the thunderstorm On towards the wilderness, our quest carries on Far beyond the sundown, far beyond the moonlight Deep inside our hearts and all our souls So far away, we wait for the day For the lives all so wasted and gone We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days Through the fire and the flames, we carry on As the red day is dawning And the lightning cracks the sky They'll raise their hands to the heavens above With resentment in their eyes Running back through the mid-morning light There's a burning in my heart We're banished from a time in a fallen land To a life beyond the stars In your darkest dreams see to believe Our destiny this time And endlessly we'll all be free tonight And on the wings of a dream, so far beyond reality All alone in desperation, now the time has gone Lost inside, you'll never find, lost within my own mind Day after day this misery must go on So far away, we wait for the day For the lives all so wasted and gone We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days Through the fire and the flames, we carry on Whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh Whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh Now here we stand with their blood on our hands We fought so hard, now can we understand? I'll break the seal of this curse if I possibly can For freedom of every man So far away, we wait for the day For the lives all so wasted and gone We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days Through the fire and the flames, we carry on
Years ago i watched a live version of this song on youtube, Graspop Festival 2006. That was the best live performance ive ever seen of this song, and for years i havnt been able to find it anywhere, as if it got wiped from existence.
Jack Penn I wouldnt say he is shit, he definitely doesn't fit Dragonforce and i refuse to listen to new Dragonforce but if he had his own solo band i bet it would be great
You guys should give Skid Row a chance if you haven't already, a well seasoned band with a well seasoned new singer. I got to see them live with ZP and he stole the show.
@@chazzlovette5519 both singers are average at best imo. ZP is the one i prefer since he uses a wider range of vocals. Marc has such a boring voice id rather just not have him sing at all but thats just me
Through the drunks and flames
Through the dunks and beers
LocosCL through the drinks and smokes
Through the sh*tty puns
@@DiscontinuedChannelOne ye lol
i miss drunkforce
hahahaha...
Atlas Hell yeah
Atlas The best kind of force
Atlas yeah, they take things too serious now
That's kinda the point. They realized early on that half the band was wasted during their shows, which could've crippled their revenue if it spilled into the studio where album sales were starting to dwindle. I think replacing ZP and making Vadim sober up was a smart decision. While their studio work is still a bit dated, they sound INCREDIBLE live.
Notes hit:
Guitars: 85%
Drums: 100%
Bass: 90%
Vocals: 70%
Keyboard: 80%
Guitars: 90%
Drums: 100%
Bass: 90%
Vocals: 55%
Keyboard: 95%
ドラゴンフォースマイク bass doesn't even need to hit the right notes. Nobody would notice anyway
@@64siskat96 Questionable...
@@64siskat96 can't agree with you
i think Herman's G string went flat during that first solo after the chorus. you can tell, plus you'll see Herman go up a fret attempting to get a better sound
I missed DF and their old members. These guys were the first to impress us all with Through the Fire and Flame!
U were right
Yeah dragonforce isn’t the same without ZP theart (vocals 2003-2010),the keyboardist (I forgot his name 2003-2018) and Frederic Leclerc (bass 2005-2019) but Marc is a good singer but he can never be better than ZP
@@MarquisRoblox69 Marc is 100x better than ZP live that's for sure
4:47 ONE PUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNN CH
LOL
LUUUUUUUUUUL
dude you made my fucking 2020. I don't remember the last time I laughed so fucking hard. good one.
😆😆
haaaa haaa haa haaa haaaaaa
I like how the drummer can't drink because his hands are full
Meaning he's the only one who could perfect it live
The guitarists are fine for the most part. It's really just the singer that really brings it down. Thankfully he's no longer with them.
@ObviouslyKieran Can't argue with that.
ZP leaving was the best thing that ever happened in this band
yea
@@joshuasexton4170 except his replacement sucks and has no presence or power to his voice
Guitar: 90%
Bass: 95%
Drum: 100%
Vocals: 75%
Keyboard: 80%
Beer: 10000000000000000%
how did you go from watching kpop to this?
Lol
😂😂@@xtragum6810
They play it on easy i guess
Hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂
No, they just failed on Expert
I'm the 1k Like... congrats!
@@alexisvicencio4327 thank you very much alexis
considering how much alcohol they drank that day that´s not even a bad performance
Hi 7 years older commenter
@@MarcusCollins69 hey how are you?
@@eryonzane good, just making people re visit their old comments
Bruh :0
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4:46 wtf?! ZP sing more like that man. fucking awesome!
he can hit this note but not “we feel the painnnn”
3:05 their bassist just smilin like we sound fucking awesome
The drummer is the only person that's sounds identical to the recording but the solo sounds fine to me
Dave is a fucking machine
Drums always sounds the same, it is not like guitar where you could optimize the sound
@@uvuvweweossas2232 i think he's also counting the drumming speed
@@reareau1545 I dont think he is actually counting but probably listening to a metronome
@V. S. Werejester he used triggers. Most metal drummers use triggers these days as it makes the double bass stand out more. I dont think it helps the drummer anyway. If anything you hear mistakes more clearly.
If ZP didn't smoke and drink, his voice would probably be as epic as it is on the album. I can't imagine why a power metal vocalist would think it's a good idea to smoke considering what it does to the voice.
What are you, his fucking mother?
@@gibsondanny What?
@@gibsondanny he is right, ZP's voice is so rare, although Marc performance can hit those high keys, however his voice didn't beautiful as ZP
Danny he has a point. As a power metal voice you need your upper range, smoking will detereate it.
If even better. His highest notes on this are epic.
Welp, the drummer is the only one who didn't mess up lol
The drummer in any group is the only member not allowed to mess up!
you got that right he's a good machine.
+Adam Bradley only lars Ulrich can fuck up the band lol
bcuz hes a norwegian boii
and probably one who didnt drink
most hyperactive keyboard player ever...
You must see and listen Minami from FALILV.. 👍
@@generisme rammstein too
And now he is Christian person
@@matiascontrerasinostroza634 I honestly have no idea wtf is up with him now. I looked through his twitter account it’s fucked up
ZP and your powerful voice , I miss a lot this old dragonforce
"we got one song then we'll gtfo!"
Damn he was honest....
5:57 AAYYY
Why tf did that make me laugh?
6:54 Yeah, he must have been really drunk to change that lyric...
I think they did that pretty often with zp
7:23 just imagine owner whatching this 10 tears later and thinkin "damn, thats where my wallet"
Ikr its sad lol but at least u got a cool story to tell
that happens if you drink, smoke pot and cigarrets before doing your job.
Kyr Ydonas that happens when you're having fun on stage
Thats what happens when you cant handle smoking and drinking 'fore a job. Don't smoke if you can't work
So you can play the guitar like a god and get some pussy?
Okay, lets try this!
i thought they did a good job
True. Very sad to see / hear them
like this...
4:47 When you step on a Lego
ZP was an amazing performer
What a batshit insane performance.....I love it!!!
3:02 the most metal move ever
Lmao😂
after listening to a dragonforce song i feel like going out and saving the world
Did you save the world yet?
I hope you kept your promise.
the world really needs some saving right now
I'm going back to your time
I miss ZP. DragonForce ain't the same without him.
They play better live you mean? 😆
@@jorgeherrera1074 real
Marc is a good lead singer to but zp has that good vocal
I like ZP to death but Marc is the better vocalist because he has a better range. But for personally myself I like ZP more but Marc is the better Vocalist
@FrenchFryG0d I actually agree with you there both good singers
This iteration of the band was fun.
This singer should have never left the band, he was great.
They transposed the song lower so he can sing it live. What’s so great about that.
@@sensacionsombria5125 great performer
You mean singing off key is great?
Yeah i agree but Marc has a better vocal range. But hey i prefer ZP over Marc but they are both great vocalists.
@jenz269 It's just being clever, really. Most songs from the ZP era, are really vocally challenging, even for a classical trained tenor. Add to that performing said songs for however many nights in a row. That will put a strain on anybody. Especially if party as hard as DF did in those days
I don't know man. People can say whatever but these guys put up a damn good show
To be honest, ZP gave Dragonforce a unique sound. Long live ZP Dragonforce!
03:06 where was that voice come from??
From his penis
Just like sebastian
It came from the bottom of a bottle of scotch.
Thas vince neil
@@hernanayala9118 lol it was vince haha
Hudson is another story. In live sessions, and in studio sessions. But We all miss Drunk Zp❤️
hahahahaha the bassist at 3:03
Kristijan Kovče lol
Too many alcohol
I saw ZP with Skid Row a couple of days ago. He was amazing🤘❤️
I miss Wacken 2009 so much and this Era.
00-2010 was something else
Studioforce forever
OmegaStarScream1 Wahahahha
Not anymore tho lol they got their shit together
Keep talkin
Rather Drunkenforce. Since Marc joined, they stopped drinking onstage, and let's just say they actually are Dragonforce playing live.
branlopgar don’t tell me that even Sam stopped drinking on stage. That would be a huge surprise to me
4:12 that face by guatarists when mosh/circle pit starts. Lol
Omg hahaha
They're like : ":O"
Its like they never seen one before
I didnt know Thorin Oakenshield was in dragonforce.
Top Kek
Bro that’s legendary!
i died reading this comment
The acoustic guitar... zp... the memories 😂
1:20 the keyboard guy lmfao 🤣
😂🤣🤣
4:59 best part
to be honest i miss when they were drunk because their shows were funny, now they take their job really seriously, but they sound great
It is better when they dont drink... for us and for them too...
uhhh .... they aint no comadians lmao their job is to give perfect musics
7:24 lmao
@@ConanObrien22 sleight of hand my friend
@@Jaiwho if they steal enjoying life and aren't hurting others
Who are you to judge?
Don’t know why, but clicked on this video and was looking forward to hear the vocals as they’re used to be...
does the keyboardist play anything lol. Love the pants tho
Keyboardist is troll 😂😂😂
Right 🤣
7:29 hooooooly hell that was sick
HAHAHA they used to suck live, but i saw them back in 2013 in Argentina and they were fuckind badasses!
ESTOY AL PEDO cuz they had Marc instead of zp
drunkforce=
messing up
Drinking too much
singer cant hit the high notes
too much cursing
Zombie Warrior fuck me
Jokie u gotta admit drunkenforce is awesome tho
you sound like a fun person
Yoshi, yea I'm sure people love to spend money on tickets only to find out the band members are drunk while playing and it sounds like crap. That's real fun
>cursing
>too much
pick one
Lots of ripping on D-Force here. Having followed them ever since Valley of the Damned, they surely don't sound like their studio recordings. But no metal band does these days. In the Ultra Beatdown tour, ZP was really sharp and I had more fun at that show than any of their other tours. And Herman and Sam kill the entire songs live. They aren't perfect, but if you've ever tried to play one of their songs, a single one would take out the wrist of most guitar players. The fact that they can do it continuously for nearly 2 hours is superhuman. Dragon force forever.
+grswindl Oh, and to boot, when I saw them in MN, Herman played the solo to this song while crowdsurfing. Get that through your skulls, all your guitar players. People grabbing on his arms and he can nail this floating along on a gropey wave.
+Northern Gardener But Dream Theather guys didn't drink as much as Dragonforce (And it is a fact, that some Asians get drunk faster and easier than Europeans or Americans)
I like how people are saying that the performance here was terrible. The thing is, this was during a time period where the old singer was at the end of his time with this band. Plus, because of how high his vocal range was and how much he abused during concerts, he eventually started struggling to hit certain notes within his range. And to try and counteract that, they tuned down the guitars to a lower scale, but that still didn't help. Other than that, it was a good performance.
I can't believe there's no phone in the air
Vincent Widjaja Phones back then sucked so there was no point in putting them in the air! XD
itu bukti kalo fans metal bukan alay gan. -\m/
metalheads aren't sissy
Siap gan
DrunkForce forever
A real concert. Thas how it must be, plus back then there were not cell phones with good quality camera.
This is missing something...
Stevie T’s triangle.
😂😂
Lol
incorrect... sobriety
TheTeaTV forgot to add that
And this is also missing notes
50% ZP voice > 125% of that Marc
i really respect those musician who are their own instrument's masters
somebody tune that vocalist
People who hate on this band should think twice, dude they don't call them selfs more skilled than any other band, they are just shredding pretty much constantly wich I think is kinda cool, most of the haters probably knows nothing about metal either. These guys are pure power metal, on speed.
In both versions of Through The Fire and Flames live, the drummer us the only one who didn't mess up once
i think they were really energetic in this live performance! \,,/
Zp was so fuckin good. I miss this dragonforce.
I remember seeing them on this tour in late 2008 and they all drank straight up Heinekens and jager bottles attached to their mic stands lol even had a roadie hold drinks with a straw for their drummer to drink. ZP didn’t smoke though so his voice didn’t suffer as much. They played incredible that night though ngl I was beyond impressed
love the original DF lineup. ZP ftw
Best singer they had
This is definitely my favourite live performance of Through The Fire and Flames. I have to admit, I like ZP Theart way more than Marc Hudson. Both singers are awesome, but ZP is definitely better in my books. :)
Dude has a voice of an angel
How dafuq does the camera crew manage to miss like, idk, ALL OF THE SOLO?!
they were just as drunk as the band members
Many people complaining about the presentation, that they didn't played it 100% right...
Bro, when u are a metal rockstar, there are much more things more important than play YOUR MUSIC like in album record.
I probably would be so drunk and happy as they are.
And honestly, 90% of who is complaining never even held an guitar in life.
Baiano Frôm Réu this is so true, my last metal concert before the pandemic, the crowd were just happy the band was playing the song while we’re moshing around. It’s really living in the moment
Something about ZP’s stage presence man. Miss it.
It's the hair lol
Its dec. 2019 and i came back at drunkforce. I missed them. Ahaha. I told myself that i wanna see them live but it seems the original members will never be together again. Thou dragonforce is evolving now.
Best through the fire and the flames live ever
Nice Norway flag I sew from one of the crew I live there so if come over I will love to book a ticket to see them
Smoking...drinking...cursing...and killing it!!!!!
Guitar hero 3 legends of rock xD
......
Lol they were so drunk it's amazing how they were still standing
This concert looks like a fun time.
7:50 "I made it" or "iron maiden" ??? :D
I think that Iron Maiden might have played next
Esse dia foi foda, pena que não colocaram o dvd completo
Vc tava lá?
Wow they have been growing in playing this song live! Nice done guys!
I think Marc is arguably the better singer, but ZP's voice just fits this band so much better.
I met zp at a meet and greet in 2009 also my first concert ever really nice dude and good person
The excitement is unreal
0:20 is that a corona 🤔
nope. that's being drunk
Didn't think they would play the solo so well live, I was wrong :)
god i read all these comments about how it dont sound like the studio stuff im sorry but it it all sounded the way it does in the studio it would suck live i mean i would probably still go cause zp kicks ass but it wouldnt b the same as this i thought it was amazing zps voice is just astounding i love it no complaints here zp forever
On a cold winter morning, in the time before the light
In flames of death's eternal reign, we ride towards the fight
When the darkness has fallen down, and the times are tough all right
The sound of evil laughter falls around the world tonight
Fighting hard, fighting on for the steel, through the wastelands evermore
The scattered souls will feel the hell, bodies wasted on the shores
On the blackest plains in hell's domain, we watch them as they go
In fire and pain, now once again, we know
So now we fly ever free
We're free before the thunderstorm
On towards the wilderness, our quest carries on
Far beyond the sundown, far beyond the moonlight
Deep inside our hearts and all our souls
So far away, we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames, we carry on
As the red day is dawning
And the lightning cracks the sky
They'll raise their hands to the heavens above
With resentment in their eyes
Running back through the mid-morning light
There's a burning in my heart
We're banished from a time in a fallen land
To a life beyond the stars
In your darkest dreams see to believe
Our destiny this time
And endlessly we'll all be free tonight
And on the wings of a dream, so far beyond reality
All alone in desperation, now the time has gone
Lost inside, you'll never find, lost within my own mind
Day after day this misery must go on
So far away, we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames, we carry on
Whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh
Whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh, whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh
Now here we stand with their blood on our hands
We fought so hard, now can we understand?
I'll break the seal of this curse if I possibly can
For freedom of every man
So far away, we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames, we carry on
Acho que já assisti esse vídeo umas duzentas vezes e não consigo abusar
“Through the fire and the flames but it’s a complete shit show” - Magik Mike
Spot on!
Their live show has improved so much, I saw them in Cincinnati Ohio in 2006 and they were so trashed and I absolutely loved it 😂
what the fuck are you talking about? it was brilliant live show.
I wish he could actually do that lol
awesome band, awesome music...
Sound way better now live without alcohol or cigs..
sgtstreetmeat are you kidding me ???
sgtstreetmeat Yeah they do
Its... different . Really pro... but... quite Cold.
@Jon Jones that Japan one from a few years ago is so weak. Doesn't have half the energy this video does.
that sounds so metal
Years ago i watched a live version of this song on youtube, Graspop Festival 2006. That was the best live performance ive ever seen of this song, and for years i havnt been able to find it anywhere, as if it got wiped from existence.
They exist in a japanese website and facebook as far as i know (if you cant find it its probably deleted)
Going to Germany and drinking fucking Corona on stage, now this is wild...
Alessandro Padoan so true
Alessandro Padoan in front of thousands of drunk ppl
This aged like fine wine
Corona lol look at now
Does anybdy thinks the same as i do?ZP voice simply the icon of Dragonforce?
+巴士呀叔 I stopped listen to dragonforce when ZP come out. I'm feeling like you bro. :(
+Domenico “PanicOX” Iacona anyone with taste did.
That new guy is shit
Jack Penn I wouldnt say he is shit, he definitely doesn't fit Dragonforce and i refuse to listen to new Dragonforce but if he had his own solo band i bet it would be great
You guys should give Skid Row a chance if you haven't already, a well seasoned band with a well seasoned new singer. I got to see them live with ZP and he stole the show.
Don't said that broo, it hurt me so much..
We can't move on from ZP Voice..
there is a time traveler from the 80s playing the some keyboards and running all around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The audience is so epic, not too bad live.
6:06 I want too. I love that man, and I miss those times with ZP
Only stop to think a moment how many moments like this the quarentine has ruined.
Put in 1.25 speed and sit back
i miss this singer ..he´s really so much better than the new one...so powerfull voice...the new one sounds like a kid growing up
Literally Marc Hudson is twice the singer ZP was. So sounds better in the studio but live Marc js way better
@@chazzlovette5519 both singers are average at best imo. ZP is the one i prefer since he uses a wider range of vocals. Marc has such a boring voice id rather just not have him sing at all but thats just me
Tbh i rlly dont care what whos better or not both are good in my book, thats just my opinion tho
I miss this formation. Legend🔥
I MISS IT, DAMMIT!! I WANNA BACK TO THE PAST!!!!
HOLY SHIT I MISS THIS DRAGONFORCE