without Brian, The Beatles likely would not have been famous beyond Liverpool. He's a very important figure in 20th century culture and basically doesnt get enough credit
@@philjames6206 Yes he was; probably with a number of other additives as well. Peter Brown tried to get him to cancel the interview, scared that Brian would embarrass himself but Epstein insisted. Slurring away, exhausted, but still kinda "there."
A very complex and sad death. We will never know exactly what happened that night. Brian was involved with some very dangerous people in London and was being blackmailed by serval rent boys. He got to far over his head and if The Beatles hadn't exsisted then one wonders if he would maybe still be alive ?
No one knew this but his death happened a couple weeks after his dad, Harry Epstein, died. Edit: Brian's death was accidental, he would never take his own life and upset his mother.
What a modest man, "I sold records over the counter" it's such a pleasure to hear from someone who isn't relentlessly boasting about himself. Then he deflects interest away from himself, talks admiringly of Jimi Hendrix. He recognized Jimi's genius, long before others did. What a kind man. I really wish he had not died so soon! I wish that he had lived longer, to an age when being gay didn't mean being in the closet.
@@backslang That's unfair. Clearly he is genuinely interested, his questions are very sincere. Unlike many interviews where the interview just rattles off a script and hardly listens to the answers.
I see both sides here, I too thought the interviewer was a bit too gabby toward the beginning, before I even realized it was Murray the K. But after awhile they settle into a good conversation and Epstein has plenty of time to speak.
This is just a fabulous piece of historical content! To get Eppys thoughts and vision for the beatles , pre sgt.pepper, and only months before his death is just soo good and interesting!
Yes, sadly it is likely he was in downers. He was still very articulate.His pill problem was getting worse that last year. He had a lot of stress with the Beatles not touring, his own contract too was up for renewal and he was insecure about it as he wasn’t quite sure of his position as manager of The Beatles post touring. Brian also was being blackmailed by one of the men he had a relationship with in NYC. Poor guy.
Seems like overall Brian was a great guy. Incredible guy to have on your side. Very sad he couldn't find any real happiness through all they accomplished.
The fact that Brian is talking about how important Jimi Hendrix is at this point just shows how great Brian always was ! And how he points out that Hey Joe is not representative of what Jimi can really do. Brian had Jimi play at his Saville Theatre in London several times and Jimi was playing there the day Brian was found dead
12:55 "because the album is going to be - well, I don't want to be particularly swanky about it - great" (referring to sgt peppers). The guy wasn't lying.
Only if he died before he could get permission to put all those people on the cover (he was having a panic attack about boarding a transatlantic flight). It should be noted that the next studio album they did --- they ran into image rights issues and put it in a plain white cover.
It is amazing how good his musical taste was, and how ahead of the times. After listening to this interview I looked up who he put on in his Savile theatre, and he was so sound in his tastes of who performed, Hendrix, Cream, Pink Floyd, The Who. Also interesting to hear him talk about Beatlemania as in the past, something they had moved on from.
Most definitely. She was John’s shadow during the recording of their last album. I’m surprised the boys allowed this to happen. And no, I am NOT a supporter of Yoko. Never was, never will be. Frankly I always found her irritating.
Listen to an early Brian Epstein interview, then listen to this again, and you'll notice the difference in Brians speech. In 67 it was slower & more slurred. Very sad he needed to turn to drugs. If he hadn't he might well be alive today!! RIP Brian.👍👍💖💕❤💗
In the photos, all four of them look very satisfied and secure with Brian. The only true manager for the Beatles. Only Brian could have hold them together as a team.
Poor Brian! Very troubled, and I reckon people tried to help him but didn't know how. I'm going through a Beatles mania learning their songs & reading about them, seems he got backed into a corner and couldn't get out.
I've just finished reading A cellarful of Noise and the part he talked about how stressed and exhaused was in early 1964 made me sad knowing what happened later. He probably got into heavier drugs and pill coctails around that time which got a lot worse by 1966 then 1967. He clearly sounds very tired in this interview, just months before he died. He was a very articulate and classy man who loved the Beatles enormously. Without him The Beatles wouldn't have happened and the history of pop-rock music would have become completely different. May Brian Epstein rest in peace.
Murray the K's breathing (that nose whistle) freaks me out. It's nice to hear Brian in 1967. I thought it was going to be a shambles, he sounded so out of it at the start. His speech doesn't have its usual cadence etc. And then he got together. He's the regular Brian Epstein towards the end of the interview.
dummytree Back then the breathing and mic handling noises were muffled by the limited clarity of AM radio. Add to that the sound of a moving auto or the strain of a transistor radio trying to pull in the signal and pump it through a speaker that was less than an inch in size...All we knew was we were hearing about the Beatles which was cool! My thought is that the sound of the lighter, cigarette paper igniting, the first puff, THOSE are as much the sound of the Sixties as any record or artist mentioned here. It was very visceral to hear all these incidental noises and really took me back. I agree with your observances otherwise; Brian Epstein, weary at first eventually got into the interview.
I do remember AM radio :) Being from another continent though, I only heard Murray the K years later when researching about the Beatles, the Beach Boys and so forth.
Surprisingly good interview for an American DJ who obviously brushed up his Ps & Q's to interview a British gentleman, which he was. John told Brian to count the money & leave the music to them, which he did but must have hurt him to be told to stay away from Abbey Road. The Beatles in hindsight should have been more considered to Brian & realise he now felt rejected by those he moved heaven and earth to get them a record contract & planned their every move out of the studio. They were lucky to have him & should have been more grateful really.
People can criticize some of the decisions he made regarding the Beatles in business (Often undersellling merchandise rights etc) BUT, he never deliberately ripped them off like so many managers of the time. He loved them and they he. When he died it was like the heart was ripped out of The Beatles. As John Lennon said about when he died. "I just thought - we've fucking had it now!" They may not have lasted for many many years after 1970 but I am sure he would guided them away from some of their mistakes and their break up would probably not have been so bitter.
First of all, thanks for the upload matooli - and the wonderfully varied pictures that accompany it. Brian is indeed fighting the effects of sedatives at the beginning of the interview, but recovers well as his mind begins to open on various subjects. Murray The K is beyond criticism here as he was easy friends with Epstein - and must've realised that he was in a fragile chemical state...he gently pulls him back to reality and the interview turns out great. It illuminates the tragedy of his loss because it's clear that the man could easily have had a very interesting career in the future - both with the Beatles and all his other projects.
At times Brian is trying to talk, to get a word in edgewise, and this guy just talks right over him, as though they're in a regular conversation, rather than an interview situation. TWICE Brian tried to break in and speak to John's Christ statement, but the interviewer talked right over him. Unbelievable. He did make some good points, but to talk OVER the guest repeatedly -- we want to hear BRIAN'S take on things!
Brian near the end of his life. He sounds weary here . The Beatles had come off the road and day to day had to rely on him less and less. Sgt Pappers had yet to be released and was actually being recorded at the time of this. Interesting is that he mentions Jimi, then unknown at 4:40
When Paul McCartney visited San Francisco in April him and his Fiance Jane Asher stayed with The Jefferson Airplane and Jack Cassidy asked him what the music scene was like in England and Paul Said" That there was this left handed guitar player (Jimi Hendrix) was taking the country by storm".The funny thing about that is that Jimi and Jack Cassidy became very good friends.
@@jamesb.9472 PeterBrown trash-talked Lennon -- AFTER Lennon was dead and couldn't talk back. Lennon had said that "The Beatles" breaking-up pissed off the gravy train -- especially Peter Brown, who he said was a late-comer.
Kinda sad to hear how his voice changed over a cpl of years. In all of the 1964 interviews, he sounds strong, clear and articulate. In these later interviews he sounds like he's 80 years old.
He wasn't the first manager in Rock n Roll music but he was fairly good at keeping an eye on " the boys ",He was careful bootleg music, the image( people copying. their image for sale , bowing after finishing a set, smoking on the stage,and speaking out of political unrest.All this what helped propell them in the music industry.He said if you surround them with the elite it well help with their sucess.Hre was very much unlike Col.Tom Parker.Yes he was green and he could have made The Beatles and himself as far as making more money.It also his private life being a homosexual in the50's and 60's very much taboo and against the law.He was troubled by this of course.I don't believe he committed suicide after listening to this interview.Thank you for this post Greatly appreciated!!!
Nice little capsule of where the music world was at in early 1967, at the crossroads of Beatles and Hendrix. Interesting to think that Magical Mystery Tour might have emerged as a worthy contender had Brian Epstein lived. I don't think we would have got the raw genius of the White Album, however. #endwriter
The 'white album', the official title of which is actually just 'The Beatles'. Although so much of the public think it's actual title IS 'The White Album'.
We who grew up with "The Beatles" don't at all short change Brian Epstein. There were two "Fifth Beatles" -- Brian for business, George Martin for music.
In the September 1971 interview in the St.Regis hotel John said that he had nothing against George Martin but that George had recently given an interview where he overstated what he did with their music. But George Martin always said that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people,and he said they both were extraordinarily talented song writers and both great singers and he said he had never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles. And he produced many music artists after them,but he never had the same success as a producer before or after producing them. John also said that Brian Epstein was more of a theatrical man more than a business man,and that in the early days they were the talent and he was the hustler of it. I'm pretty certain that if it hadn't been Brian Epstein that discovered The Beatles some other very lucky business man would have with talent as rare,natural and extreme as John and Paul's it just would may have been a few more years later. Both Brian Epstein and George Martin got very lucky to have discovered them because they never had nearly as much success until they did.
Good interview by Murray. But I'm hoping to find a tape of one of his old AM radio shows, "Murray the K on the Swingin' Soiree" with non-stop Olatunji in the background, Mee-a-surry language, "music for submarine race watchers" and the whole schtick. As a kid I often thought I should tape such stuff but assumed that somebody else would.
Finally someone besides me , gives Olatunji and the Drums of Passion a mentio , especially everyone remembers the war chants but not who Murray gave credit to for them ! He was the Best ever Paul , he made Radio a lesson of life and Fun !
Being interviewed by Murray the K, must have been torture. The guy LOVES to hear himself talk. He can turn a simple question into a soliloquy, so he can hear himself drone on and on. I think this interview drove brian to kill himself.
A girl named Karen I had dated after I went into the Air Force in 1965 , from my HS in NYC worked for his NY Company NEMS , I always thought it was Nemser Enterprise but it only shows NEMS in articles. I agree Jimi was better then HEY JOE , I saw him play with someone at TRUDE HELLERS in the Village on 6th Ave. and 9th or 10th St.before he really got famous ! Karen would get all kinds of Promo albums and gave me some , I remember the one most of all was by THE BEE GEES ! BTW, TYVM for this blast from the past interview ! Shame Brian was un-able to handle his sexuality , but tolerance has just only reached a sensible understanding in this new Millennium !
It's sad Brian never lived to see one of his other bands at that time The Bee Gees rise to Ultra stardom selling hundreds of millions of records far far more than the who or the cream combined ever sold.I wonder what he wold have thought about Saturday Night Fever and The Bee Gees moving to Contempary R&B/soul.
Mr E a lovely soul. Unable to be free and express himself under the laws of the day. The Beatles gave him some respite. Without Mr E would the Beatles ever have been known?
MTK certainly enjoys pontificating, but he's never dull and in the context of the times, correct in much of what he says, but it would have been nice to hear more from Brian, wasted or not.
Epstein was a financial disaster for The Beatles, they lost a massive amount through his mismanagement, they were continually ripped off to a ludicrous degree because he had no idea how to negotiate, no idea as to what percentage they could actually get and he would not delegate to those who did.
I'm surprised they still had anything nice to say about Maureen Cleave. Her original article read like a hit piece. It was very unflattering, to say the least.
You can hear in his voice he is not long on this earth, the fire is gone..no tours, nothing to do, the Beatles long stopped obeying him or needing him for that matter and in fact as the Beatles gained knowledge they found out how bad Brian was at business how naive, how many millions of dollars Brian cost them - and they let him know it, too. He dies a few weeks after this. 🎬
Brian sounds so out of it here, its unreal. John states in a much later interview that he felt responsible for introducing Brian to drugs, we all know how that ended....
Actually it was George Martin, not Brian, who first suggested that Pete was not up to par as the group's drummer. George did not like was Pete brought to one of the group's recording sessions, and lobbied for a new recording session drummer.
Murray the K hit the nail on the head --they were looking for something to tarnish the Beatles with, because they played loud music and were thought to be a bad influence on their kids, just the same as Elvis in his day. But the Beatles were HUGE and their influence was wide and seemed untouchable, and it scared them. So they manufactured this misunderstanding of John's comment to reduce Beatles' influence.
In those days people didn’t take rock music seriously. The Beatles were looked down upon by the highbrows. Brian Epstein was considered a small person, not the giant he is now. Same for the Beatles of course. The first inkling of a sort of reconnaissance came with George Melly’s analysis of Eleanor Rigby. Before that the Beatles were incrrrredibly successful but were considered as crap by the adults. Never forget this.
George Martin Says In This book his biography,All You Need is Ears,There's No Doubt Lennon and McCartney Were good Musicians,They Had Good Musical Brains and The Brain Is Where Music Originates,It Has Nothing To Do With Your Fingers,As It Happened They Could All Play Their Own Instruments Very Well,And that Paul is an excellent music all- arounder, probably the best bass guitar-player there is, a brilliant guitarist,a first class drummer and a competent piano player. George Martin said in The Beatles early days he tried to learn to play the guitar in order to have a better musical communication between him and The Beatles,but he couldn't learn it and gave it up,but he says that John and Paul learned to play the piano far more quickly than he was able to master their instrument.
Interesting he suggests there would be a television show "around the album" (Pepper) and then a film. Neither of these came into fruition, even though Brian was alive when the album was released.
I love Ringo 4ever but it's hilarious when Brian says during their pre-Pepper break that Paul wrote a film score, George went to India, John acted in a film...and Ringo sat in contemplation.
So Sad ! for a guy as genuine as Brian Epstein, and as knowledgable, of musical talent, Not only did he mould the Beatles into a public acceptance , with the mop hair and suits, but he was bang on the money about Hendrix, Hey joe was no where near his best work,and He was right.And the four tops.of course, This guy knew his stuff.
Brian Epstein had *nothing* at all to do with The Beatles hair styles, before they ever even met Brian they got those Beatle hair cuts while they were playing in the Hamburg German clubs from 1960-1962 by their German friends Astrid and Jurgen Vollmer who had this hair cut first.
Brian Samuel Epstein (Liverpool, 19 de septiembre de 1934-Londres, 27 de agosto de 1967), fue un hombre de negocios británico, conocido principalmente por su rol como representante del grupo de rock The Beatles, puesto que llevó a que fuera nombrado en numerosas veces como "El quinto Beatle".
1.5x makes Brian sound as if he is speaking at a normal pace. Its unbelievable how slowly this man spoke compared to the people of his day except for the other wealthy British people. I'd love to see comment from an older person from those days confirm what I'm saying. This interview that is 1 hour is only 30 mins at 2x and completely easy to understand.
People are often taught that talking slowly is the best way to be understood. You have to remember that Epstein was from Liverpool, the RP accent probably wasn't natural to him.
To think he would be dead five months later, this stands as a very important interview. Unfortunately Murray the K, instead of giving the spotlight to Eppy, goes on way to much with his own perspective and analysis, when he should have just asked his questions and let Brian go.
without Brian, The Beatles likely would not have been famous beyond Liverpool. He's a very important figure in 20th century culture and basically doesnt get enough credit
+peacemonger1967 I have to strongly agree with you. Liverpool has its Beatles tours, but they never visit Brian's grave.....
If it wasn't for Andrew Loog Oldham and Peter Grant The Stones and Led Zeppelin would not have been famous.
He also lost them millions. As Paul said later Brian was green.
True. It was Epstein who went everywhere asking for their record to be heard. He came upon George Martin, who decided to take a listen.
well you're a moron, so what can you expect
Brian has one of the most relaxing voices I've ever heard.
All that protein he has swallowed
Agree, and his choice of words. Very classy.
Ripped on Seconal.
@@philjames6206 Yes he was; probably with a number of other additives as well. Peter Brown tried to get him to cancel the interview, scared that Brian would embarrass himself but Epstein insisted. Slurring away, exhausted, but still kinda "there."
We all speak like that in the UK, annnnd sleep..😴.
He was only 32 when he died...so young, so sad
A very complex and sad death. We will never know exactly what happened that night. Brian was involved with some very dangerous people in London and was being blackmailed by serval rent boys. He got to far over his head and if The Beatles hadn't exsisted then one wonders if he would maybe still be alive ?
Yeah, he went out in the same car crash as Paul. Neither had noticed that the lights had changed.
No one knew this but his death happened a couple weeks after his dad, Harry Epstein, died.
Edit: Brian's death was accidental, he would never take his own life and upset his mother.
Oddly he was only about 6-7yrs older than them but such was the gulf of pre & after Elvis era that he was viewed more like a father.
I wonder if he had a pill cocktail, similar to Heath Ledger.
It’s a complete shame that he died so young.
What a modest man, "I sold records over the counter" it's such a pleasure to hear from someone who isn't relentlessly boasting about himself. Then he deflects interest away from himself, talks admiringly of Jimi Hendrix. He recognized Jimi's genius, long before others did. What a kind man. I really wish he had not died so soon! I wish that he had lived longer, to an age when being gay didn't mean being in the closet.
Unlike Murray the k who loves sound of his own voice,wish he shut up and let Brian talk,
@@backslang That's unfair. Clearly he is genuinely interested, his questions are very sincere. Unlike many interviews where the interview just rattles off a script and hardly listens to the answers.
I see both sides here, I too thought the interviewer was a bit too gabby toward the beginning, before I even realized it was Murray the K. But after awhile they settle into a good conversation and Epstein has plenty of time to speak.
He sounds like a genuinely decent person. If he had not died, the music industry would have destroyed him.
I LOVE Brian Epstein's accent. He's so posh.
Media in march of 1967: "They are breaking up!" May of 1967: They release Sgt. Pepper.
This is just a fabulous piece of historical content! To get Eppys thoughts and vision for the beatles , pre sgt.pepper, and only months before his death is just soo good and interesting!
Brain was an amazing individual. On the 1st January 1992 I stood at his grave in Liverpool, and remembered......
Nice to honor Mr. Epstein that way.
It must have been unlocked as it is locked most of the year unless there is a funeral
Sadly, only 5 months before he died. Some excellent, rare photos here too.
😢😢😢 a alma dos Beatles
"When Brian died, I thought, 'We've f**kin' had it.'" --John Lennon
Sir u are correct, he say's those very words in a radio interview, my fellow Beatle Lover, ;-))
Well he wasn't wrong. :P
Brian died in 1967. The White Album, Abbey Road and Let it Be followed. They hadn't quite had it.....
Tony Laughlin True, but Brian's death was the first crack to appear in the eventual break-up of the Beatles.
he should've said that when yucky ono stuck her ugly head on the scene. if not for her, lennon wouldn't have been killed.
A true gentleman, Brian Epstein. Very sad he died so young.
I'm from Liverpool
and a lot of us here think he was muRdered.
....🎼 ca'baal;(((
rip Brian 🤍🕊️🙏
😢😢
One would have to agree ❤
all beatles fans need to hear this
its great a gift to hear his views before his death
Best relax and educated man's voice ever
Brian sounds utterly tired and depressed here. Heavily tranked.
Yes, sadly it is likely he was in downers. He was still very articulate.His pill problem was getting worse that last year. He had a lot of stress with the Beatles not touring, his own contract too was up for renewal and he was insecure about it as he wasn’t quite sure of his position as manager of The Beatles post touring. Brian also was being blackmailed by one of the men he had a relationship with in NYC. Poor guy.
That's what I hear too. Compare this to an interview from just a few years prior. Much different.
Barbiturates, sadly the cause of his ultimate demise :(
Thanks to whoever shared this recording not to mention these amazing photos
It is a brave thing, to give this interview, when you are actually very depressed - correct me if I’m wrong.
Wow, thank you so much for sharing. Brian Epstein's responses are fascinating. He was such a gentleman.
Seems like overall Brian was a great guy. Incredible guy to have on your side. Very sad he couldn't find any real happiness through all they accomplished.
Twotontessie Sadly i think it had to do with his sexuality. If it wasn't for Brian i dont think the beatles would be the beatles we know today.
@@mariahmmm1845 true
The fact that Brian is talking about how important Jimi Hendrix is at this point just shows how great Brian always was ! And how he points out that Hey Joe is not representative of what Jimi can really do. Brian had Jimi play at his Saville Theatre in London several times and Jimi was playing there the day Brian was found dead
Brian is a great man he is the father of Beatles career
If anyone was The Fifth Beatle, it was Brian.
12:55 "because the album is going to be - well, I don't want to be particularly swanky about it - great" (referring to sgt peppers).
The guy wasn't lying.
Drenwickification Brian's request for sgt pepper was a brown paper bag.
Only if he died before he could get permission to put all those people on the cover (he was having a panic attack about boarding a transatlantic flight). It should be noted that the next studio album they did --- they ran into image rights issues and put it in a plain white cover.
One of the greatest understatements ...
The 'white cover' album was NOT a decision made due to "image rights issues".
@@CAVERN1234 Yes because he didn't like the sgt Pepper cover at all.
The interviewer talks so much that Brian has to interrupt him from time to time to answer the never ending questions.
It is amazing how good his musical taste was, and how ahead of the times. After listening to this interview I looked up who he put on in his Savile theatre, and he was so sound in his tastes of who performed, Hendrix, Cream, Pink Floyd, The Who. Also interesting to hear him talk about Beatlemania as in the past, something they had moved on from.
7:51 "The hostess, who was very pretty and very nice."
Brian trying to be straight. Nailed it 👌
Gay guys still notice if a woman is pretty
Wow, this is JUST before Hendrix's explosion; Brian was already well versed in Jimi's movements in NYC prior to going to UK! Brian was brilliant!
Great to hear this stuff, that is, where Brian was during these very interesting times and near the end of his life. Thanks for posting!
If he had lived we would have 3 or 4 more album masterpieces and he would have kept yoko out of the recording studio
Mark Drouin he would also have eventually had a really fulfilling life, I believe.
@Marc Bell He would have been too smart to have anything to do with Yoko. Cilla Black to Yoko ????....I don't think so.
Why did you have to die, Brian? We had to deal with Yoko and her lack of talent! Why?!!
Ah, facile sexism for the daft
Most definitely. She was John’s shadow during the recording of their last album. I’m surprised the boys allowed this to happen. And no, I am NOT a supporter of Yoko. Never was, never will be. Frankly I always found her irritating.
Listen to an early Brian Epstein interview, then listen to this again, and you'll notice the difference in Brians speech. In 67 it was slower & more slurred. Very sad he needed to turn to drugs. If he hadn't he might well be alive today!! RIP Brian.👍👍💖💕❤💗
Sgt. Pepper released on 1 June, 1967. Just for context
In the photos, all four of them look very satisfied and secure with Brian. The only true manager for the Beatles. Only Brian could have hold them together as a team.
I love listening to his voice. So relaxing
great interview, thanks for posting
Brian knew music period ❤❤❤❤❤❤
This interview is from March, he died later this year in August.
Thanks for the perspective, I was wondering.
Fascinating interview, description and selection of pix thanx nice one Matooli ❤🎉
Poor Brian! Very troubled, and I reckon people tried to help him but didn't know how. I'm going through a Beatles mania learning their songs & reading about them, seems he got backed into a corner and couldn't get out.
mulvavroop he was a good man.
Excellent interview! Thanks for posting this!!!
excellent piece off history.I read about it,but,of course,never heard the interview meself.thnaks so much for the upload.
I've just finished reading A cellarful of Noise and the part he talked about how stressed and exhaused was in early 1964 made me sad knowing what happened later. He probably got into heavier drugs and pill coctails around that time which got a lot worse by 1966 then 1967. He clearly sounds very tired in this interview, just months before he died. He was a very articulate and classy man who loved the Beatles enormously. Without him The Beatles wouldn't have happened and the history of pop-rock music would have become completely different. May Brian Epstein rest in peace.
Murray the K's breathing (that nose whistle) freaks me out. It's nice to hear Brian in 1967. I thought it was going to be a shambles, he sounded so out of it at the start. His speech doesn't have its usual cadence etc. And then he got together. He's the regular Brian Epstein towards the end of the interview.
dummytree Back then the breathing and mic handling noises were muffled by the limited clarity of AM radio. Add to that the sound of a moving auto or the strain of a transistor radio trying to pull in the signal and pump it through a speaker that was less than an inch in size...All we knew was we were hearing about the Beatles which was cool! My thought is that the sound of the lighter, cigarette paper igniting, the first puff, THOSE are as much the sound of the Sixties as any record or artist mentioned here. It was very visceral to hear all these incidental noises and really took me back.
I agree with your observances otherwise; Brian Epstein, weary at first eventually got into the interview.
Meanwhile, I found Epstein's breathing soothing...god that sounds weird.
He was jet lagged. The plane was late getting into New York and he no time to sleep before the interview.
I do remember AM radio :) Being from another continent though, I only heard Murray the K years later when researching about the Beatles, the Beach Boys and so forth.
Surprisingly good interview for an American DJ who obviously brushed up his Ps & Q's to interview a British gentleman, which he was. John told Brian to count the money & leave the music to them, which he did but must have hurt him to be told to stay away from Abbey Road. The Beatles in hindsight should have been more considered to Brian & realise he now felt rejected by those he moved heaven and earth to get them a record contract & planned their every move out of the studio. They were lucky to have him & should have been more grateful really.
thanks for the upload
People can criticize some of the decisions he made regarding the Beatles in business (Often undersellling merchandise rights etc) BUT, he never deliberately ripped them off like so many managers of the time.
He loved them and they he. When he died it was like the heart was ripped out of The Beatles. As John Lennon said about when he died. "I just thought - we've fucking had it now!"
They may not have lasted for many many years after 1970 but I am sure he would guided them away from some of their mistakes and their break up would probably not have been so bitter.
You are being a trifle naive: Eppy gave all the Beatles merchandise rights over to his American cousins for free...
He did do things behind their back, John said he ripped them off like anyone else would and was made an Angel after death
First of all, thanks for the upload matooli - and the wonderfully varied pictures that accompany it. Brian is indeed fighting the effects of sedatives at the beginning of the interview, but recovers well as his mind begins to open on various subjects. Murray The K is beyond criticism here as he was easy friends with Epstein - and must've realised that he was in a fragile chemical state...he gently pulls him back to reality and the interview turns out great. It illuminates the tragedy of his loss because it's clear that the man could easily have had a very interesting career in the future - both with the Beatles and all his other projects.
That sounds right.
Murray the K was a SELF-promoter. He's obnoxious.
It's so funny, when you're notified of a comment you wrote three years ago...! (You can't remember it, but still agree with the sentiments...) :-)
The song Murray can´t remember at 14:15 is "For No One".
love that one, a very special song
OH MY it gets on my nerves that murray is talking so much
Murray the K promoted himself as being "The Fifth Bestles". He hleped brea "The Beatles" in the US, so they tolerated him.
Yeah right, just skip to the question and shut up Murray the EGO.
I like the photo at 6.30 during the Shea Stadium concert 23 august 1966 and at 31.10 with Paul.
Man this guy is longwinded. He takes forever to spit out a question. Epstein sounds like he's sighing with frustration
At times Brian is trying to talk, to get a word in edgewise, and this guy just talks right over him, as though they're in a regular conversation, rather than an interview situation. TWICE Brian tried to break in and speak to John's Christ statement, but the interviewer talked right over him. Unbelievable. He did make some good points, but to talk OVER the guest repeatedly -- we want to hear BRIAN'S take on things!
Typical of American broadcasters, not very articulate!
Brian is saying at the end that this interview was one of the best he ever had.
love the fact that he was a record store owner.. he was 'all in ' pursued his passion ,pursued his untapped talent as an agent...voila.
Brian near the end of his life. He sounds weary here . The Beatles had come off the road and day to day had to rely on him less and less. Sgt Pappers had yet to be released and was actually being recorded at the time of this. Interesting is that he mentions Jimi, then unknown at 4:40
When Paul McCartney visited San Francisco in April him and his Fiance Jane Asher stayed with The Jefferson Airplane and Jack Cassidy asked him what the music scene was like in England and Paul Said" That there was this left handed guitar player (Jimi Hendrix) was taking the country by storm".The funny thing about that is that Jimi and Jack Cassidy became very good friends.
@@jamesb.9472 PeterBrown trash-talked Lennon -- AFTER Lennon was dead and couldn't talk back. Lennon had said that "The Beatles" breaking-up pissed off the gravy train -- especially Peter Brown, who he said was a late-comer.
Kinda sad to hear how his voice changed over a cpl of years. In all of the 1964 interviews, he sounds strong, clear and articulate. In these later interviews he sounds like he's 80 years old.
Was the drugs and exhaustion....
The first sensible comment 👍
Probably the most consequential death in rock and roll history. So sad.
He wasn't the shrewdest manager, but he was honest and loyal to the end. Being closeted probably contributed to his suicide.
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Was it a suicide or a cocktail of pills by accident?
He wasn't the first manager in Rock n Roll music but he was fairly good at keeping an eye on " the boys ",He was careful bootleg music, the image( people copying. their image for sale , bowing after finishing a set, smoking on the stage,and speaking out of political unrest.All this what helped propell them in the music industry.He said if you surround them with the elite it well help with their sucess.Hre was very much unlike Col.Tom Parker.Yes he was green and he could have made The Beatles and himself as far as making more money.It also his private life being a homosexual in the50's and 60's very much taboo and against the law.He was troubled by this of course.I don't believe he committed suicide after listening to this interview.Thank you for this post Greatly appreciated!!!
Nice little capsule of where the music world was at in early 1967, at the crossroads of Beatles and Hendrix. Interesting to think that Magical Mystery Tour might have emerged as a worthy contender had Brian Epstein lived. I don't think we would have got the raw genius of the White Album, however.
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The 'white album', the official title of which is actually just 'The Beatles'.
Although so much of the public think it's actual title IS 'The White Album'.
We who grew up with "The Beatles" don't at all short change Brian Epstein. There were two "Fifth Beatles" -- Brian for business, George Martin for music.
In the September 1971 interview in the St.Regis hotel John said that he had nothing against George Martin but that George had recently given an interview where he overstated what he did with their music.
But George Martin always said that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people,and he said they both were extraordinarily talented song writers and both great singers and he said he had never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles.
And he produced many music artists after them,but he never had the same success as a producer before or after producing them.
John also said that Brian Epstein was more of a theatrical man more than a business man,and that in the early days they were the talent and he was the hustler of it.
I'm pretty certain that if it hadn't been Brian Epstein that discovered The Beatles some other very lucky business man would have with talent as rare,natural and extreme as John and Paul's it just would may have been a few more years later.
Both Brian Epstein and George Martin got very lucky to have discovered them because they never had nearly as much success until they did.
Good interview by Murray. But I'm hoping to find a tape of one of his old AM radio shows, "Murray the K on the Swingin' Soiree" with non-stop Olatunji in the background, Mee-a-surry language, "music for submarine race watchers" and the whole schtick. As a kid I often thought I should tape such stuff but assumed that somebody else would.
Finally someone besides me , gives Olatunji and the Drums of Passion a mentio , especially everyone remembers the war chants but not who Murray gave credit to for them ! He was the Best ever Paul , he made Radio a lesson of life and Fun !
Murray takes a long time to make his point if he has one
The Four Tops are phenomenal performers.💕💕💕💕
Being interviewed by Murray the K, must have been torture. The guy LOVES to hear himself talk. He can turn a simple question into a soliloquy, so he can hear himself drone on and on. I think this interview drove brian to kill himself.
Who knows the long drone may have been a hypnotic trance inducing that very reality.
@John Get a grip, John…😂
wow! build a tv show around the album! I'm looking forward to that!
5 months before he died. He talks about Sergeant Pepper, John's comments about Christ, The Monkees, Cream, the Who, Hendrix, possible breakup, etc
A girl named Karen I had dated after I went into the Air Force in 1965 , from my HS in NYC worked for his NY Company NEMS , I always thought it was Nemser Enterprise but it only shows NEMS in articles. I agree Jimi was better then HEY JOE , I saw him play with someone at TRUDE HELLERS in the Village on 6th Ave. and 9th or 10th St.before he really got famous ! Karen would get all kinds of Promo albums and gave me some , I remember the one most of all was by THE BEE GEES !
BTW, TYVM for this blast from the past interview ! Shame Brian was un-able to handle his sexuality , but tolerance has just only reached a sensible understanding in this new Millennium !
It's sad Brian never lived to see one of his other bands at that time The Bee Gees rise to Ultra stardom selling hundreds of millions of records far far more than the who or the cream combined ever sold.I wonder what he wold have thought about Saturday Night Fever and The Bee Gees moving to Contempary R&B/soul.
I’m sure he would be over the moon about it, & also not surprised cause he trusted his instinct. 😊
Mr E a lovely soul. Unable to be free and express himself under the laws of the day. The Beatles gave him some respite. Without Mr E would the Beatles ever have been known?
Brian struggling to recall the song"For no one" haha.....what a tremendous guy......rip Brian,
What a find!Without Brian there would be no Beatles.
MTK certainly enjoys pontificating, but he's never dull and in the context of the times, correct in much of what he says, but it would have been nice to hear more from Brian, wasted or not.
AGGHHHH CHRIST, MURRAY THE K'S NOSE WHISTLE IS DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!
Someone mentioned it might be from cocaine - didn’t the djs get payola back then?
if he had lived, the band wouldn't have had such business problems 🎉
Epstein was a financial disaster for The Beatles, they lost a massive amount through his mismanagement, they were continually ripped off to a ludicrous degree because he had no idea how to negotiate, no idea as to what percentage they could actually get and he would not delegate to those who did.
I'm surprised they still had anything nice to say about Maureen Cleave. Her original article read like a hit piece. It was very unflattering, to say the least.
Brian was such a nice guy wasn't he a friend to the beatles
yes, I think he was best man at John's wedding; and he and John took a trip together after Cynthia had Julian. Brian definitely was one of the guys.
While Murray the K could be a bit annoying, overall this was a great interview. Too bad Bill Murray the K never got to interview him.
You can hear in his voice he is not long on this earth, the fire is gone..no tours, nothing to do, the Beatles long stopped obeying him or needing him for that matter and in fact as the Beatles gained knowledge they found out how bad Brian was at business how naive, how many millions of dollars Brian cost them - and they let him know it, too. He dies a few weeks after this. 🎬
That whole “Jesus comment controversy” wore him out.
Brian sounds so out of it here, its unreal. John states in a much later interview that he felt responsible for introducing Brian to drugs, we all know how that ended....
Eppy's one true unrequited love, John Lennon :(
Actually it was George Martin, not Brian, who first suggested that Pete was not up to par as the group's drummer. George did not like was Pete brought to one of the group's recording sessions, and lobbied for a new recording session drummer.
Great interview by a DJ who normally is obnoxious to British ears.
He’s very in intentional asmr
Murray the K hit the nail on the head --they were looking for something to tarnish the Beatles with, because they played loud music and were thought to be a bad influence on their kids, just the same as Elvis in his day. But the Beatles were HUGE and their influence was wide and seemed untouchable, and it scared them. So they manufactured this misunderstanding of John's comment to reduce Beatles' influence.
And Murray the K was certain to hap on the controversy in effort to stir up noise. He was a SELF-important ASS.
In those days people didn’t take rock music seriously. The Beatles were looked down upon by the highbrows. Brian Epstein was considered a small person, not the giant he is now. Same for the Beatles of course. The first inkling of a sort of reconnaissance came with George Melly’s analysis of Eleanor Rigby. Before that the Beatles were incrrrredibly successful but were considered as crap by the adults. Never forget this.
That's totally untrue but I can't post all of the great strong information that debunks this right now.
George Martin Says In This book his biography,All You Need is Ears,There's No Doubt Lennon and McCartney Were good Musicians,They Had Good Musical Brains and The Brain Is Where Music Originates,It Has Nothing To Do With Your Fingers,As It Happened They Could All Play Their Own Instruments Very Well,And that Paul is an excellent music all- arounder, probably the best bass guitar-player there is, a brilliant guitarist,a first class drummer and a competent piano player.
George Martin said in The Beatles early days he tried to learn to play the guitar in order to have a better musical communication between him and The Beatles,but he couldn't learn it and gave it up,but he says that John and Paul learned to play the piano far more quickly than he was able to master their instrument.
Without Brian Epstein we would not be talking about the Beatles in 2023. Brian died 5 months after this interview may god rest his soul.
Interesting he suggests there would be a television show "around the album" (Pepper) and then a film. Neither of these came into fruition, even though Brian was alive when the album was released.
I wonder if that sort of evolved into Magical Mystery Tour after Brian's death. I'm curious now and have to do a bit more Beatle research.
The film ended up being Yellow Submarine which was in the works at the time Brian died.
I love Ringo 4ever but it's hilarious when Brian says during their pre-Pepper break that Paul wrote a film score, George went to India, John acted in a film...and Ringo sat in contemplation.
So Sad ! for a guy as genuine as Brian Epstein, and as knowledgable, of musical talent, Not only did he mould the Beatles into a public acceptance , with the mop hair and suits, but he was bang on the money about Hendrix, Hey joe was no where near his best work,and He was right.And the four tops.of course, This guy knew his stuff.
Brian Epstein had *nothing* at all to do with The Beatles hair styles, before they ever even met Brian they got those Beatle hair cuts while they were playing in the Hamburg German clubs from 1960-1962 by their German friends Astrid and Jurgen Vollmer who had this hair cut first.
It sounds like Murray is chewing gum?! 🙄 Oh brother....or am I wrong? Haha 😄
He sounds like aldous huxley. Can we just take a moment too grasp that it is 2021, we are listening to a recording on a handheld device.
What other managers do people know?
Very interesting this.....
Brian Samuel Epstein (Liverpool, 19 de septiembre de 1934-Londres, 27 de agosto de 1967), fue un hombre de negocios británico, conocido principalmente por su rol como representante del grupo de rock The Beatles, puesto que llevó a que fuera nombrado en numerosas veces como "El quinto Beatle".
excellent!!
3:27 great picture
The sounds of Murray puffing, panting and slopping away in the background annoys the f#@kin s%&t out of me!
Murray the K has always annoyed me haha! 😉😁
Could be the cocaine from Payola- too early for that- 1967?
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Sadly Murray the K died kind of young too in 1982 from cancer at only age 60.
1.5x makes Brian sound as if he is speaking at a normal pace. Its unbelievable how slowly this man spoke compared to the people of his day except for the other wealthy British people. I'd love to see comment from an older person from those days confirm what I'm saying. This interview that is 1 hour is only 30 mins at 2x and completely easy to understand.
I think there is some truth in what you are saying.
His voice is soothing. I want him to whisper in my ear.
Also, it has to do with his personality.
People are often taught that talking slowly is the best way to be understood. You have to remember that Epstein was from Liverpool, the RP accent probably wasn't natural to him.
Sadly Brian died only 5 months later from a drug overdose at only age 32.
Don't get me wrong, I admire the man because he was a visionary
To think he would be dead five months later, this stands as a very important interview. Unfortunately Murray the K, instead of giving the spotlight to Eppy, goes on way to much with his own perspective and analysis, when he should have just asked his questions and let Brian go.
Epstein was tall. He did work hard. It was too much. He ODed. Sad.
Don Diego Vega wait, what does his being tall have to do with anything?