Are Fuel Additives Snake Oil?
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- Are fuel additives just expensive snake oil? We’ve heard people say they are, and invited Kyle from Hot Shot’s Secret to answer the question. Are they worth the money or is money wasted?
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Asking Kyle from hotshot secrets if hotshot secrets is snake oil… wonder what he’ll say!?!
Ya. While I'm sure there is a benefit to using Hot Shots. I'm not sure it's worth the cost.
I’m a user of hotshot secrets I have 12 months of experience with it now. I do have various accounts of higher mileage with the extreme diesel loads I do to clean injectors.
I plan on doing more research soon with mixing EDT with extreme.
I’m not happy with the winter EDT it doesn’t work well in - weather.
The Stiction remover works I use in my 2012 Audi that have ring issues it helped with the oil consumption.
@@rljessee8799what do you mean EDT doesnt work well? Did you gel up?
@dozerboyd8784 better than buying a new fuel pump, new injectors, new fuel rail or a new engine in an extreme situation.
@@xhawkeye8717 that's a big if that could never be proven. Nothing wrong with running them if it makes you feel better. But I know people that have done everything and still had failures of LB7 injectors and CP4 pumps. So additives won't fix a bad design/ poor QC.
How about Hot shot makes a bottle that doesn't spill all over when tipped over rolling around the truck bed???
Quick lesson I learned is just leave it at home and fill up and then top off with your edt.
How about a segment on additive packages mixed in at the refinery. This lets us truly understand the gap- maybe a UL Solutions comparison between the top-rated/used additive products.
Well about a decade ago my 05 6.0 was slowly beginning to start hard when cold and run poorly until it warmed up. Was told I need a couple grand in injectors. Finally it wouldn’t start at all. Finally got it barely started and dumped some marvel mystery oil in the fuel and 10 minutes of limping it around it got better and the next day it started. A trip to and from work that day and it’s ran perfect ever since. Finally started using a maintenance product and no further issues so I’d say in the right circumstances it can save you thousands.
I keep marvel around for when I'm out of diesel kleen. But I also use it with 2 stroke oil. 40:1 and then put marvel mystery oil in as if it makes it 32:1.
Im a diesel mechanic and yes alot of them are snake oil pretty much all engine oil additives are snake oil unless its chock full of zinc it just grates on me the false promises just be honest yes there is an advantage BUT The only real thing to gain from fuel additives is lubricity ULSD has fucked that up but you can even do that with 2 stroke oil I use the EDT and I did notice a slight improvement in balance rates BUT don't lie to people just tell the truth you are NOT going to gain mileage you are NOT going to "feel more power" the only thing "noticeable " might be a little less knock but the rest of it is just pure long game as far as how long the fuel system lasts just be honest with people it's good for lubricity maybe a little cetane boost and maybe some water dispersion but it's not doing all these other things companies claim including hotshot and im saying that as a diesel mechanic that actually uses it
Only thing you’re guaranteed with edt is anti gel is you have that in it and the lubrication. Which for me, unless using lx4 straight, best bang for buck with edt.
I swear by HotShots products!
Started using all three of these products!!! I drove from socal to Florida towing my toy hauler and moved to Florida I saw great fuel mileage using the additive and I used the stiction reducer cleaner haven't changed the oil yet but honestly my oil pressure went up a little bit and next oil change I bought the fr-3 I'm sold on these products now I drive a 08 Duramax lmm and let me the truck it's beautiful
Thing is biodiesel is junk so you need lubricity in diesel . It’s almost like it’s designed to fail with emissions.funny how that works.
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UA-camr Motor oil Geek has 300k views in 5 days for a video about motor oil additives with too much zddp causing extra wear, he says fuel additives work though. 10:15 minute mark. Not all additives are beneficial.
What tests do you perform that prove you reduce fuel oxidation or reverse fuel oxidation?
I run Optilube xdp and have had good results overall. Especially anti gel in winter with the truck sitting outside.
For my 1990 intercooled Cummins 1st gen., every time I'd hit this one bio-fuel station in Oregon, I'd fill up the tank with mostly #2 pump diesel, then top it off with no more than two gallons of B99 biodiesel. This might sound weird, but it would turn a 500 mile tank into a 600 mile tank of fuel. Apparently I hit a sweet spot, between lubricity and cetane.
What I'm really excited about is the new R99 "Renewable" diesel. Some areas in Oregon have this as the cheapest-priced diesel (According to Gas Buddy) in their area, even though certain stations in other locations charge more for this fuel. This stuff has removed all of the disadvantages of regular estherization B99, but still has the plant-based lubricity, as well ALMOST TWICE THE CETANE OF #2 pump diesel. The stuff looks like water, and burns way cleaner. Older diesels love it! Metaphorically, it's like Premier Protein for an old fart.
I have a big bottle of EDT , been using it for a couple of years now. Good stuff
What is the shelf life of it?
With all these "water in fuel" warranty void predicaments popping up, I wonder if it's a good idea to add fuel stabilizer every fuel up?
Great channel - great vid - great guest.
Yah there is always those few that say that you don’t need fuel additives…
My own opinion. -You don’t need fuel additives… but feel a little bit guilty now that I hit my calculator that it is .15 a gallon and I often shrug finding a better fuel price.
They need to make a tank feeder vs a bottle at a time additive - I just am not that consistent of a guy.
In many places in California it is already 100% renewable diesel for on-road applications. For off-road applications it's 95% renewable diesel 5% bio. Now this applies mostly to terminal distribution and not distributor level distribution. Now I make this differentiation based upon at the distributor level renewable diesel can be Blended to 20% biodiesel 80% renewable.
I have used EDT on a 2003 7.3L and while I don't know if I get more power as I have change out the turbo wheel, and i have a tuner on, but i do know I get avg 12.5 MPG towing a 30ft 8500 lbs RV in wind, snow, hills, etc.. close to 19 non towing. When in tow tune a 60 hp Tony Wildman product I get very little smoke with hard acceleration or pulling hills. Is EDT the best product.. maybe so, maybe not.. works for me and i can get in gallon to refill the smaller dispensary bottles which is easy.. how.. I screwed a 2.5" long sheetrock screw in the plug you see under the cap and pull it out.. then you can refill the bottle,, leave screw in and push plug back in till next time. easy peeze.
To clean the egr and DPF the only product that I know that works with the big Riggers is Pittsburgh power fuel catalyst.
I recommend the alliant power lubriguard
I've wondered about this for her long time. I just tried Hot Secret Stiction Eliminator on my Volvo d13. Seems like it doesn't do anything. For the $200 dollars I could have got so much extra fuel
Go to Section 3 of any MSDS. If Petroleum distillates are on the list of ingredients you are paying for kerosene, mineral spirits and so on. With just a squirt let’s say 0.01-0.03% of it is cetane or water dispersant.
So? Lots of products need delivery systems.
Hotshot secret junk!!!!!! Snake oil!!!!!
Clearance motor oil or ATF is $2 a quart. One quart per 20-30 gallons. (80:1 to 120:1 ratio.) Balance rates and mileage in my pre-emissions duramax have never been better. Surely a quart (32 oz) of lube oil adds more lubricity than an ounce of additive.
I would like to understand the differences between “diesel” vs #1 vs #2 vs blends. Which is best for an L5P directly from the pump? Can I buy the worst one and get all the protection from fuel additives?
#1 has less parrebum (wax) the biggest difference is the gel point is lower
@@haydendenard2693 is that a good thing?
@@haydendenard2693 My reply disappeared…
Is that good or a bad thing? What’s the point of blends? What do you recommend for a late model vehicle?
I have a dreaded 08 super duty 6.4 it's May of 2024. The mileage is 136K. Relatively low. Yes, I have done some needed mods. I have just started using fuel additives with an extra. I was at a rock crawler event. When I got talking with a knowledgeable fellow. He told me that if I don't want to change my HP fuel pump and if it's not too late all ready I should add 200cc of 2stroke fuel mix to every 16 gallons of fuel. I am now doing this. The engine seems quieter. I also at around the same time added a large catch can 4"X7" well baffled and packed with SS wool pot scrubbers. There is a 1.5 open chamber on the bottom to hold the collected CCV contaminants the catch can is fed by 1" ID tubing and there is a 3/8" ball valve on the bottom to drain the can. As you know 6.4's have excessive blow-by pressure. This could play hell with seals and gaskets if restricted so 1" ID tubing it is. The thing is since the addition of fuel treatment and the 2stroke fuel mix my CCV pressure seems to have dropped by 1/2. The oil filler cap doesn't dam near blow out of my fingers. ?. Because the can is so well-filtered it vents to the atmosphere. I'm stuck on the performance of a very scientific air-fuel mix in the combustion chamber and believe this should not be missed with by the possibility of CCV contaminants.
I use Hotshots EDT but I try convincing myself every time I use it that an ounce of this stuff could even be detected in 20 gal of fuel.
Why are these episodes not getting uploaded to podcast apps? I had to come to youtube to get this episode.
What is hot shot’s opinion on Renewable R99 bio-mass fuel(no bio-fuel in the chemical formula) as it’s a higher refined bio-mass.
I use it. It’s amazing. It burns much cleaner. According to Unocal and has 80+ Cetane where I buy it from.
Honest question, I run a fass system, does the pump return wash the additive out?
If the additive relies on solids bigger than my fine filter rating (2-3 micron) it's not an additive I'd be using.
Archoil did zero of the claims for me, but I have had good luck with Hot shots
If you want high Cetane? Buy renewable diesel/HVO
LOL...apparently you don't know it's rarely available. If you have access then good for you but 99% of people don't have access to it
Hey Kyle, goof ass from Phx over here that talked to you about the podcast at the nationals 🤙
From what I have read and research personally renewable diesel is far superior to any other diesel whether it be bio or Petro diesel when it comes to diesel fuel that is available on the West Coast. As far as additives go the Chevron terminals that I have loaded at use a product called Infinium r95 as a lubricity additive . Infinium r95 is a highly highly concentrated product where less than one gallon will treat 4000 gallons of diesel. With that said I have not been able to find any Baseline information on renewable diesels when it comes to lubricity right out of the production plant. What I have verified just by seat of the pants experience is that renewable diesel offers better cold weather protection at startup than any petrol diesel that I have ever ran
I find it humorous that guys will put engine oil into their trucks having no idea whatsoever what additive package it contains or why the additives are in their but they do know there are additives contained in their engine oil. Then they look at their fuel and say we don't need no stinkin additives it's all snake oil. Their trust in the government, the EPA and the individual gas stations is stunning. Makes no sense.
Nothing here supports the need for these additives other than turning a profit. Can’t tell you last time I heard a mechanic say,”if only you were using an additive.” 🙄. Heck they’ve even been able to scientifically show some new diesel oils are same or even still close at 15k miles.
I feel like there needs to be a clarification between biofuels and renewable diesel. Reason being is there's a big difference between the two.
Can you elaborate
Do you make anything to keep the EGR cooler clean?
Water/meth injection
@@leebo92_38 that actually might work. Thanks
@@ox-cetane4887 it’s like it steam cleans your intake manifold
@@leebo92_38 Diesel fuel has an air contamination problem. Ox-cetane improves the air release properties of the diesel fuel and the diesel fuel itself cleans out the carbon deposits. The engine experiences a restoration of power and performance. nothing else
While diesel fuel is not the best cut, it is not as bad as what was claimed on this video
Some of it certainly is. His point, and it's very valid, is that you have no idea what the quality the fuel is that gets put into your tank. Most of it from reputable stations is probably fine but it's playing Russian rulette as there is plenty of bad fuel out there especially if you travel away from major highways.
The sad thing is😢 you are regulated by epa.
At least if you're going to sell a fuel additive you should explain what problem you're correcting in the fuel then be able to prove it. Even the ASTM does not know what causes poor diesel fuel lubricity. This is obvious because the HFRR test the ASTM designed does not in any way duplicate the conditions that occur in a diesel fuel delivery system. The HFRR lubricity test is an abortion. Please define premium diesel fuel? no such thing.
What problem in the fuel is being corrected? Sorry Kyle you sound like a snake oil salesman
just asking but are you trying to make a point.. if so make it.. this sounds like keyboard sniping..
@@carl2591Well maybe the lack of explanation of how the product addresses the bad fuel scenarios.
@@carl2591 what the F**K is keyboard sniping? Either you really know something about fuel? Or your guessing. Kyle from Hotshots answers on diesel fuel were purely programmed. High school kids have better answers. I watch diesel podcast to learn something. Not to get sold Unscientific guesswork from the host and his guest.
Did you listen to the podcast? If you did then you must have heard the discussion about lubricity amongst several other things. No he didn't present scientific findings although the lubricity test results are on their website. Not sure how you missed the answer to your question
@@ox-cetane4887 Well, I guess I'm done buying fuel ox winter additives.
The term fuel additive suggests there is something wrong with the fuel you buy at the pump? Ok please state what the problem is in the fuel you buy at the pump? Said another way, what problem in the fuel are you correcting when you add your additive to the fuel? Lets take diesel fuel lubricity? Has anyone ever defined what the meaning of "diesel fuel lubricity" beyond just the words? Meaning what is the causal mechanism for poor diesel fuel lubricity? I would like to see Kyle truly explain the differences between the different diesel fuels? Maybe Kyle is not a snakeoil salesman? But he is selling hope in a bottle. But there is no hope.
There are wear standards and testing done on diesel fuel. Google "spicer diesel fuel additive test". The results are very dated, ut lots of good info in it.
@@dozerboyd8784 seen it the year it was published. The report is fine, but the testing protocols are bad. The HFRR rest designed by ASTM in no way duplicates any part of a diesel fuel delivery systems. The HFRR test is an abortion.
Amongst other things lubricity and cetane are documented and tested. Test results are published on their website. Not sure you can watch this podcast and not understand what is being addressed with their additive. If your asking for proof that's a different question. Some of the proof is shown on their website.
@@pat9125 The testing protocols of the tests themselves are bogus. Just because there are a few uninformed people who claim they have designed a proper test does not mean they are right. I have it in writing that ASTM has no idea what the causal mechanism is for poor diesel fuel lubricity beyond just the words. Send me an email to drfuelinstein at yahoo dot com and I will send you ASTM's admission in writing
@pat9125 this dude is all over every additive video on youtube in the comments.
Love me a good podcast that heralds education and knowledge in the diesel-bro 12"-wides moneybags mallcrawler marketing community.
14:50: Wait, did this guy just say sulfur was a lubricity additive in the fuel? Come on. This guy is our expert? Diesel-bro community idiots.
16:45 "Education and information is really helpful."
17:20 "My own education and knowledge."
How about read wikipedia rather than listening to false marketing spew on a podcast. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low-sulfur_diesel
Sulfur is not a lubricity component. Lack of sulfur is not the issue. It's the PROCESS used to remove the sulfur that lowers the lubricity of diesel fuel. It's not the sulfur. It's the sulfur removal process. It's hard to appreciate the technical and engineering merits of a product (if any) when the marketing guy blurs fact with fiction. I mean, have you seen a FASS video lately? If Chris is a tribologist and scientist, that's who you need as the face of your product.
Then you go to an event with a dyno. Your build as a responsible adult makes more power with little to no smoke and they show up 50 or more less hp rolling coal like they were spooling a big turbo. Or the mechanics that work on their stuff go "he asked me to help him make 700hp and 30mpg at the same time."