Upper hand is actually a really good move that no one is abusing in the current OU meta. With all the priority in the tier it’s such a good anti meta tech. I made a virizion team with SD, trailblaze, sacred sword, and Upper hand and man the team has surprised that crap out of me how much work it puts in lol.
The issue is that it's also similar to sucker punch.... but with harsher conditions. Like, it only works against priority moves... so if your opponent doesn't use one, you can literally waste a turn. It's more of a gamble than sucker punch was....
@@hanaki1996 protective pads brother to avoid the burns from moltres and volc and Rocky helmet. I’ve went toe to toe with ID skarm and corv and it’s hilarious to see opps ff because of it lmao oh and I run Tera poison but feel free to run something else based on your team.
@@TheDeathmail that’s kinda the point of it being Anti meta… it’s just to catch things off guard that don’t expect it. Once the opp sees it once then you gotta use your brain and get the 50/50’s correct
The Idea of being sitting duck and calling opponent to use priority moves is kinda great idea for moves like these. I am not much of competitive player but seeing pokemon & moves used like this is awesome 🔥
@@1NTEN7IONthey use Ogerpon because it's broken. I use Ogerpon because watching it skip to the loo and bonk the baddie is cute enough to kill Satan. We are not the same
I am genuinely shocked at how little I’ve seen Upper Hand used and talked about. It saved me in the DLC, but leave it to the GOAT Hayber to pick it up and run with it.
It’s not used very often because it’s VERY reliant on guessing correctly. It fails if the opponent doesn’t use a priority move, so if you try to call the priority move but they use a normal move, you get punished heavily. Not every Pokémon has a priority move, and not every Pokémon runs one, and not every Pokémon is going to use a priority move in every turn. It’s not a horrible move, just very, VERY situational.
@@Poptomist it depends on your knowledge of pokemon movesets and what they could be running. Ofc a good player will bluff you into thinking a priority move is coming and use aa normal move instead, but if you have the knowledge you can really see where the opponent is going with his switch
@@PoptomistThe thing is that because no one uses It will work at least once pretty much everytime (because of hitmonlee speed and 1 hp the oponent will use priority 99% of the time unless they dont have It, but you need to know which mons get priority I guess which should be easy). The next use Its a different story, you will need to make some reads.
I'm so happy to see Hitmonlee getting some love. He's always my choice at the Fighting Dojo in Kanto. He's always been luck based with High Jump Kick, so I love the dancing on the razor's edge and it literally being a coinflip at 1 HP on if your opponent uses a priority move or not. Very true to the nature of Hitmonlee.
I'm pretty sure it does! I think the reason it isn't used as much yet it because people think it doesn't. At least, the bulbapedia page says it works against priority-boosting abilities such as Gale Wings, I don't see why that wouldn't apply to Prankster too
@@BusinessSkrub only with offensive moves it works against brave bird boosted priority but not against roost. Since prankster only works with status moves they are unnafected by Upper Hand. Would be cool to have a way to deal with tornadus or grimsnarl who uses fake out and several support moves.
@@leonardohernandezcabrera7541 aww, it only works on attacking moves? Big sadge :( I can see it not working on Gale Wings Roost, but it wouldn't work on Prankster T-Wave for example, either?
I’ve been binge watching this a channel and just subscribed. I like the double battles format much more but have a soft spot for under used Pokémon. The subtle humor is gold though, my man is pretty darn funny 😂
In lower tiers upper hand is a wild move, upper hand ambipom is one of the few answers to fake out pressure in NU and is pretty much the #1 answer into other ambipom
The only reason this isn't abused is because Upper Hand becomes a guessing game once your opponent knows you have it. Really like the fact it out-prioritizes moves, loved the rock, paper, scissors people made with Hitmonchan too lmao
You can actually play rock, paper scissors with a friend just using Hitmonchan and the moves; Mach Punch, Upper Hand, and Focus Punch. Mach Punch>Focus Punch Upper Hand>Mach Punch Focus Punch>Upper Hand
I’ve used this exact set in OU a lot because no one really knows about it. It’s fun to one shot resists with a 200BP move, and most priority attackers are weak to fighting (or are just frail like Cinderace). Ghosts with Shadow Sneak is a big oof though.
@@ultimaterecoil1136Yup, and even if they live, it flinches for the turn and starts a wild game of prediction until one side faints. Common ones were Rillaboom and Raging Bolt.
Been lurking on your UA-cam channel for a couple of years and finally decided to support it. I always look forward to your vids, they're a genuine joy to watch. Keep up the amazing work! 😄
I run this same set with Blaziken, but instead of upper hand to deal with priority, I was using an indeedee to set terrain. I should add upper hand and free up the indeedee slot! The only problem is if upperhand doesn't kill, the next move is a game of who outplays who.
Without a move to hit ghost he gets cooked pretty often. Endure is actually a great move to scout what they wanna do but with rocks up might as well die. Also wrecked by rough skin and rocky helmet which are kinda common
I love Hitmonlee and hate how some older pokemon can't keep up with the new ones. This new moves proves that the old gen one pokemon can still pack a punch.
Finally got the chance to catch up on all the recent uploads after I got caught up editing some VGC stuff over the past week. Absolutely love this strat and the Drifblim one as well. The thumbnails are somehow getting cleaner too. Keep it up!!
It felt really awesome, upper handing an ampibom trying to stop my moxie, trailblaze heracross rampage (+1 Speed, +Attack), using its fakeout. The move would have failed because ampibom is faster but luckily I had 1 trailblaze speed up.
I got into comp pokemon through Showdown a few months ago after getting burnt out on mainline games around Gen 7 and mostly just playing ROM Hacks since then. I decided that to keep myself sane, I'd handicap myself by playing monotype in OU ladder and because I really like team building, I never so much as glanced at Smogon-- imagine my surprise when I discovered this move, one of the few new moves that doesn't feel like a direct upgrade to an existing move (looking at you, gen 9 starter signature moves!) and fits my mono-fighting setup perfectly. I proceeded to make the filthiest Hawlucha Red Card sweeper of all time and have been having a blast with it since then.
I feel like this will be one of the very few examples of upper hand being used as it’s a really niche move so thank you for showing this cool hitmonlee strat Hayden!
I found a new move that I didn’t even know existed, and I’ve been playing for 20+ years. Chilling reception it’s a ice move that starts snow and causes you to switch out
I discovered you recently, and I really like the way you edit videos to cut out the waiting. Your commentary is great and keeps me entertained even when nothing is happening onscreen. I'd like to see a video where Scizor gets a bigger role in winning games.
I used it on the Belly Drum swift swim poliwrath set. I swept so many teams by upper handing their Bisharp etc. I think this will get less effective over time though as people learn.
now that you brought it up, this totally works on salac berry + belly drum kommo o as well if it's set up correctly: no hp evs ensures kommo o can get to 1 hp with 2 substitutes and a belly drum. only problem is ur absolutely countered by ghost mons with shadow sneak :/
I remember hearing about japanese players playing hitmonchan rock paper scissors by giving the hitmonchans upper hand, mach punch, and focus punch, honostly pretty funny that the move made that possible
Just thought I would let you know Make it Rain only drops Gholdengo's Sp. Atk by one stage before that comes back and bites you one day. So after using it twice and a Nasty Plot it's only at normal Sp. Atk, not at -2 like you said.
If you ever do a double battle I have a fun strat for you to try it requires 2 things. 1)Flower Trick, Meowscarada 2)Anger Point, Fire Tauros I think you can see where im going with this and as a bonus Tauros gets Trailblaze so you can Trailblaze turn 1 and Flower Trick Tautos Turn 1 to deal +6 Trailblaze to whatever it hits and then get a speed boost.
So far I've been 10-0 on guessing when Upper Hand was gunna come out from my opponents. I go to click priority and just pause like "wait a minute... does this learn Upper Hand?... I can afford this sac/or use Protect to scout."
i have been playing around with the idea of upper hand speed boost blaziken... hard to slot another high damage non fighting move w/o flare blitz though and 1 hp the bait
Haydunn for UMBREON I’ve been playing with Calm Mind, Alluring Voice , Protect, Wish. If the team is mostly crippled UMREON has been my win condition a few times now.
Upper Hand is just "counter your counter with my counter that beats your counter"
There's a game out there. Two Hitmonchans with Focus Punch, mach punch, and upper hand. Creates a game of rock paper scissors
yo dawg I heard you like counters
Ikr like that’s so counter
"You activated my trap card !"
Hitmonlee at 1HP: "Do it, DO IT! C'MON KILL ME I'M HERE! C'MON DO IT NOW! KILL ME!"
Upper hand is actually a really good move that no one is abusing in the current OU meta. With all the priority in the tier it’s such a good anti meta tech. I made a virizion team with SD, trailblaze, sacred sword, and Upper hand and man the team has surprised that crap out of me how much work it puts in lol.
hey, may I ask what item you use on it? that sounds super interesting
The issue is that it's also similar to sucker punch.... but with harsher conditions.
Like, it only works against priority moves... so if your opponent doesn't use one, you can literally waste a turn.
It's more of a gamble than sucker punch was....
@@hanaki1996 protective pads brother to avoid the burns from moltres and volc and Rocky helmet. I’ve went toe to toe with ID skarm and corv and it’s hilarious to see opps ff because of it lmao oh and I run Tera poison but feel free to run something else based on your team.
@@TheDeathmail that’s when being a good player comes in buddy
@@TheDeathmail that’s kinda the point of it being Anti meta… it’s just to catch things off guard that don’t expect it. Once the opp sees it once then you gotta use your brain and get the 50/50’s correct
Anyone can put together a strong team. Anyone can cheese. I come to Haydunn for the contrived weird ass mind games.
You come to him? That's crazy
@@vanwangersyou dont?
"Men are hot too. I don't make the rules."
- SoundSmith
@@vanwangersI’m finna come to you
@@swagbutouchiha855 💦
Hitmonlee used Upper Hand
*Hitmonlee kicks*
He's trying his best.
I mean he does have the upper hand, and its a swift kick to the face.
The Idea of being sitting duck and calling opponent to use priority moves is kinda great idea for moves like these. I am not much of competitive player but seeing pokemon & moves used like this is awesome 🔥
Bro just explained the concept again 🗣️
Love the creativity. Sometimes the most fun you can have in Pokemon is using the random moves and mons that people forget
Absolutely, much better than clicking Moonblast with flutter mane and Ivy cudgel with ogerpon over and over and over and over again
@@1NTEN7IONthey use Ogerpon because it's broken. I use Ogerpon because watching it skip to the loo and bonk the baddie is cute enough to kill Satan. We are not the same
A good trainer can use strong pokemon to get a victory. A great trainer uses the pokémon they love to get the same results.
@@BusinessSkrubeverytime i use ivy cudgel i hear “bowong, bowong, PLUNK” like something from looney toons😭
My favorite forgotten move is Tickle😂
I am genuinely shocked at how little I’ve seen Upper Hand used and talked about. It saved me in the DLC, but leave it to the GOAT Hayber to pick it up and run with it.
It’s not used very often because it’s VERY reliant on guessing correctly. It fails if the opponent doesn’t use a priority move, so if you try to call the priority move but they use a normal move, you get punished heavily. Not every Pokémon has a priority move, and not every Pokémon runs one, and not every Pokémon is going to use a priority move in every turn. It’s not a horrible move, just very, VERY situational.
@@Poptomist it depends on your knowledge of pokemon movesets and what they could be running.
Ofc a good player will bluff you into thinking a priority move is coming and use aa normal move instead, but if you have the knowledge you can really see where the opponent is going with his switch
@@PoptomistThe thing is that because no one uses It will work at least once pretty much everytime (because of hitmonlee speed and 1 hp the oponent will use priority 99% of the time unless they dont have It, but you need to know which mons get priority I
guess which should be easy). The next use Its a different story, you will need to make some reads.
It’s Sucker Punch’s Sucker Punch
Suckerer Punch
It's Upper Hand's Upper Hand😂
I love how the animation for this move is a palm heel strike. It’s like you’re hitting them right in the nose when they try to pull a fast one. 😂
I'm so happy to see Hitmonlee getting some love. He's always my choice at the Fighting Dojo in Kanto. He's always been luck based with High Jump Kick, so I love the dancing on the razor's edge and it literally being a coinflip at 1 HP on if your opponent uses a priority move or not. Very true to the nature of Hitmonlee.
The back to back videos going crazy I love this.
That upperhand to the gambit felt like a therapy session 😂
When he said "Tera-fighting" I heard "terrifying "
And I was like "TRUUUUEEEEE"
Everybody was te-ra figh-ting
What do you call a Hitmonlee sweep? A Hit Mon SPREE!!!! 😂😂 Okay I’ll take my exit now. 😅
youre done for today sir.. XD
That actually made me laugh I’ll let it slide
You mean Hitmonsweep?
…please stop.
(Slow clap)
I would have liked that Upper Hand also have an effect on prankster ability would be a good way to punish so many prankster abusers
I'm pretty sure it does! I think the reason it isn't used as much yet it because people think it doesn't. At least, the bulbapedia page says it works against priority-boosting abilities such as Gale Wings, I don't see why that wouldn't apply to Prankster too
@@BusinessSkrub only with offensive moves it works against brave bird boosted priority but not against roost. Since prankster only works with status moves they are unnafected by Upper Hand. Would be cool to have a way to deal with tornadus or grimsnarl who uses fake out and several support moves.
@@leonardohernandezcabrera7541 aww, it only works on attacking moves? Big sadge :( I can see it not working on Gale Wings Roost, but it wouldn't work on Prankster T-Wave for example, either?
It's an excellent counter for triage Comfey, as you can outplay draining kiss.
I’ve been binge watching this a channel and just subscribed. I like the double battles format much more but have a soft spot for under used Pokémon. The subtle humor is gold though, my man is pretty darn funny 😂
My favorite builds are the ones that people don't expect. The out predictions to go/not go for upper hand was super satisfying
You have single Handedly made Hitmonlee my favorite pokemon. Wow
I’m gonna support every video you make Hayden, the effort you put into your videos is appreciated! Best of luck on 400k!
Thank you so much 🙏
In lower tiers upper hand is a wild move, upper hand ambipom is one of the few answers to fake out pressure in NU and is pretty much the #1 answer into other ambipom
The only reason this isn't abused is because Upper Hand becomes a guessing game once your opponent knows you have it. Really like the fact it out-prioritizes moves, loved the rock, paper, scissors people made with Hitmonchan too lmao
Can we talk about how Blastoise shell’s texture looks so good and his cannons are polished af?
He also looks much more menacing. His stance especially if looking at a smaller foe is all, what are you looking at, do you see the cannons
I really like the model but I can't take Blastoise seriously with the moves just kind of coming out of it's face or belly.
You can actually play rock, paper scissors with a friend just using Hitmonchan and the moves; Mach Punch, Upper Hand, and Focus Punch.
Mach Punch>Focus Punch
Upper Hand>Mach Punch
Focus Punch>Upper Hand
Haydunn definitely has about 45 hitmonlees in a box all named drumstick
Some of them are called KungFoot tbh
love the new thumbnails 👍🏻 been a fan since gen 6. Keep up the good work with these cool gimmick mons
I’ve used this exact set in OU a lot because no one really knows about it. It’s fun to one shot resists with a 200BP move, and most priority attackers are weak to fighting (or are just frail like Cinderace). Ghosts with Shadow Sneak is a big oof though.
Priority is more commonly ran on things that don’t already innately expect to outspeed which usually means bulky not frail
@@ultimaterecoil1136Yup, and even if they live, it flinches for the turn and starts a wild game of prediction until one side faints. Common ones were Rillaboom and Raging Bolt.
Hitmonlee, master of kicks and punches
Hitmonchan: "What the f*?"
Been lurking on your UA-cam channel for a couple of years and finally decided to support it. I always look forward to your vids, they're a genuine joy to watch.
Keep up the amazing work! 😄
Much appreciated!
I run this same set with Blaziken, but instead of upper hand to deal with priority, I was using an indeedee to set terrain. I should add upper hand and free up the indeedee slot! The only problem is if upperhand doesn't kill, the next move is a game of who outplays who.
I liked the first Hitmonlee set much more.
Without a move to hit ghost he gets cooked pretty often. Endure is actually a great move to scout what they wanna do but with rocks up might as well die. Also wrecked by rough skin and rocky helmet which are kinda common
I love Hitmonlee and hate how some older pokemon can't keep up with the new ones. This new moves proves that the old gen one pokemon can still pack a punch.
This was a fun watch and an interesting way to use the move.
Yo
This hitmonlee set is fire 🔥 litterally never seen upperhand used till now
Great idea the set looks very fun genuinely surprised of how good reversal is, brutally underrated
With power creep and such it’s so hype to see a Pokémon like hitmonlee doing stuff
Finally got the chance to catch up on all the recent uploads after I got caught up editing some VGC stuff over the past week. Absolutely love this strat and the Drifblim one as well. The thumbnails are somehow getting cleaner too. Keep it up!!
One thing haydun gonna do is make a hitmonlee video lmao
You know I keep that thang on me
I'm sad I didn't get to draft Hitmonlee in my Draft League to try this set out, perfect mon to have Upper Hand
Upper hand is such a neat mind games move
I see few people using upper hand on vgc I’m shocked a lil as I thought more people would use it.
I came here after watching the typhlosion video and you quoted Narnia. I see you were not kidding about the cracked Hitmonlee set.
It felt really awesome, upper handing an ampibom trying to stop my moxie, trailblaze heracross rampage (+1 Speed, +Attack), using its fakeout.
The move would have failed because ampibom is faster but luckily I had 1 trailblaze speed up.
I got into comp pokemon through Showdown a few months ago after getting burnt out on mainline games around Gen 7 and mostly just playing ROM Hacks since then. I decided that to keep myself sane, I'd handicap myself by playing monotype in OU ladder and because I really like team building, I never so much as glanced at Smogon-- imagine my surprise when I discovered this move, one of the few new moves that doesn't feel like a direct upgrade to an existing move (looking at you, gen 9 starter signature moves!) and fits my mono-fighting setup perfectly. I proceeded to make the filthiest Hawlucha Red Card sweeper of all time and have been having a blast with it since then.
I feel like this will be one of the very few examples of upper hand being used as it’s a really niche move so thank you for showing this cool hitmonlee strat Hayden!
Upper hand
*shows the pokemon known for kicking*
Upper foot
I found a new move that I didn’t even know existed, and I’ve been playing for 20+ years. Chilling reception it’s a ice move that starts snow and causes you to switch out
It’s a Gen 9 move
I discovered you recently, and I really like the way you edit videos to cut out the waiting. Your commentary is great and keeps me entertained even when nothing is happening onscreen.
I'd like to see a video where Scizor gets a bigger role in winning games.
love the Gen 1 OGs on these vids
This is by far my favourite set you've ever built. It's perfect *chef's kiss*
I used it on the Belly Drum swift swim poliwrath set. I swept so many teams by upper handing their Bisharp etc. I think this will get less effective over time though as people learn.
You deserve more. I use the flying tera type Muk I learned from watching your channel and it beasts on some Terrys. Lol
That Tera Fighting was bold, he could’ve Shadow Sneaked
Booster energy speed val literally never runs priority
Never thought I’d see a day where hitmonlee could ever sweep
It’s always been able to sweep with unburden lol
that first set was bonkers. you love to see Lee shining all these years later
“There’s the leftovers I was talking about boss” 😭
daamn that ohko with the resisted hit.
after stealth rock tho
now that you brought it up, this totally works on salac berry + belly drum kommo o as well if it's set up correctly: no hp evs ensures kommo o can get to 1 hp with 2 substitutes and a belly drum. only problem is ur absolutely countered by ghost mons with shadow sneak :/
I have never seen a Hitmonlee do this kind of damage! Whoa! I love the creativity
The irony of upper hand having a niche, and it's the kicking pokemon
3:50 underrated joke tbh.
Upper _Hand_ Hitmonlee is a pretty good bit in itself
I feel like this isn’t the first time I’ve seen Ghost-terra Porygon-Z has surprised someone
Just became a member for my first time ever because you're a real one.
I love how you use hitmonlee as your fighting type for most of your battles. You make hitmonlee look crazy good lol.
I remember hearing about japanese players playing hitmonchan rock paper scissors by giving the hitmonchans upper hand, mach punch, and focus punch, honostly pretty funny that the move made that possible
Just thought I would let you know Make it Rain only drops Gholdengo's Sp. Atk by one stage before that comes back and bites you one day. So after using it twice and a Nasty Plot it's only at normal Sp. Atk, not at -2 like you said.
Glad to know hitnonlee isn't useless. I caught so many hoping for one with way better stats, turns out he don't even need em.
By far one of my favorite strategies
This is a beautiful thing to share, thank you, very creative movesets
In three weeks, everyone is going to see this coming and the move will require a lot more finesse to pull off.
If you ever do a double battle I have a fun strat for you to try it requires 2 things.
1)Flower Trick, Meowscarada
2)Anger Point, Fire Tauros
I think you can see where im going with this and as a bonus Tauros gets Trailblaze so you can Trailblaze turn 1 and Flower Trick Tautos Turn 1 to deal +6 Trailblaze to whatever it hits and then get a speed boost.
Favorite set was kabtops with weakness policy kinda reminds me of that
Hitmonlee looking sick AF. No seriously, he’s all green and stuff
That Kingambit KO was so satisfying
The 50/50 mind games are amazing. I was hoping for the Haydunn special animated ending.
I love Hitmonlee, and I haven't seen anyone use Upper Hand yet! Great job!
1999 pokemon Japan champion cup all over again with these reversal... reversals
So far I've been 10-0 on guessing when Upper Hand was gunna come out from my opponents. I go to click priority and just pause like "wait a minute... does this learn Upper Hand?... I can afford this sac/or use Protect to scout."
i have been playing around with the idea of upper hand speed boost blaziken... hard to slot another high damage non fighting move w/o flare blitz though and 1 hp the bait
Hitmonlee out here kicking everyone's backside
I use to watch a lot of Pimpinite videos then I stop. Years later I came across this channel and it got me back to watching Pokémon battles again
I watch both Pimpmite and Haydunn. And I even play based on both of their playstyles
That first opponent is the antithesis of creativity.
When I saw the porygon i was like it would be funny if the same thing happened like last video and then sure enough saw it happen.
You should pool together your battles into a super cut
Haydunn out here hitting people with the "You've activated my trap card" move.
3:35 I think this didn't work because this whole team is Pokémon that no one sees or uses so why would he know about noivern flamethrower
Hitmonlee nearly solo the entire team on the first battle
This was so satisfying to watch!! Great matches :)
Rock Paper Scissor formet (Upper Hand vs Focus Punch vs Mach Punch)
Will toxicity work minus ability and magnetic flux? Does it get both boosts to defense and special defense?
Made a PU team after seeing this and hitmonlee is smashing everything
Haydunn for UMBREON I’ve been playing with Calm Mind, Alluring Voice , Protect, Wish. If the team is mostly crippled UMREON has been my win condition a few times now.
I didn't even know that such a move exists! You, good sir, are a mad genius!
They didn’t think this through at alllll
Upper Hand is the paper that beats Accelerock
together we live every second in this video, it never fails to amaze me with his way of thinking
Cinnabon is the winnabon made me laugh. He does look like that!
It’s from the Apple Jacks commercial guys.
I used that move on my doubles raichu its ultimate support for rain teams
Yup. Sneasler is slightly less notorious for this combo and it's so satisfying to see the mind games set in after that pop on the lip.
I was surprised at how much talk there was about upper hand before the dlc but after the dlc everyone stopped talking about it
To be fair there’s not a lot of mons with the pure strength threat of Hitmonle after a Leichi boost that force you into a guessing game.
@@antwanr5058 true