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Why does Obi-Wan think Luke is the Chosen One?
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2017
- This video discuses the belief by Obi-Wan Kenobi that Luke Skyalker, and not his father Anakin, was the chosen one... as seen in the Rebels Episode: Twin Suns
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Anakin was the chosen one his son was the catalyst
It was clear Anakin fullfilled the prophecy at the end when he threw Sidious into that pit. Sidious was gone and in doing so even if Vader wasn't turning back to the light the lighting that was being thrown killed him so he literally killed the last two sith lords as well as figuretivly by returning to the light. He just needed to fall and then have his son bring him back to do it.
GrimmShadows and luke is obviously both dark and light. so balance is achieved with the last jedi.
GrimmShadows wouldn't luke be the chosen one because he turned Vader back to the light which in turn had Vader throw the emperor into the pit? Now they have more movies but like also found and trained a new bunch of Jedi. I don't know the chosen one is sorta stupid sense their wasn't any mention of it in the original trilogy
Chris Gardner there was no need to bring it up after the dark times....after the empire. Why do the same thing to Luke that they did to Anakin and tell him of the prophecy and pit more pressure on the kid?
GrimmShadows but Luke also helped facilitate that. It's almost like both of them are.
Thor Skywalker, you minimalist approach to your channel is AWESOME! No flashy green screen background or effect. No music playing in the background. Just a well thought out and presented explanation of the title subject.
Dude, You make it seem easy lol
Swoldier_ Boi I agree! Thor is great at this!!
No joke !
Thank you again... one of the things that surprised me when I started doing this is no one ever commented on how they didn't like my "low budget approach", if you will, because it was basically just me talking and some relevant pictures to go with it. I just figure that if what I'm saying can't hold the audience, adding a lot of cool effect and epic music won't do the trick either.
Thor Skywalker dude, engaging and thought provoking content beats flashy but boring channels any day
I am a different profile and a month late with my reply lol. I totally agree with you dude.
On another hand, I also see the skywalker family as "the chosen ones".
Honestly, I believe that Obi Wan truly BELIEVED that Luke was the chosen one instead, and I'll explain why. First, Obi-Wan after defeating Anakin, he said "you WERE the chosen one!" And left. Then later, in episode 6 the ghost of Obi Wan told Luke that he's twisted and evil, and more machine than man, meaning that there's no good in him. But, this wasn't true, and the true chosen one, Anakin, fulfilled the prophecy.
Anakin really was the chosen one. Since the Clone Wars cartoon is considered canon, there is an arc where he, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka meet celestial beings that were the embodiment of the light and dark side of the force and the father who maintained the balance between the 2. Anakin was asked to become the successor to the father to oversee the 2 children, the light and dark side embodiments
That was the Mortis story arc, and yes it was all but confirmed there that Anakin is indeed the Chosen One.
Not sure if you've touched on this, but what's interesting to me is that in Return of the Jedi, Yoda clearly thinks that Anakin is the chosen one by telling Luke that only a fully trained Jedi with the Force as his ally could defeat the emperor. To me, Yoda was speaking about the redemption of Anakin, not Luke, because Luke wasn't anywhere near fully trained they even keep telling you that i.e. Jada's palace hand where he states He's no Jedi. His mission was clear and that was to bring Anakin back to the Light side thus earning his Jedi status. @@thorskywalker
Obi-wan has a history of distorting the truth... Luke was the Catalyst that got "the chosen one" to fulfill his destiny.
I totally agree that Luke played a part, being the catalyst, that helped the Chosen One fulfill the prophecy.
1:15 Is it just me, or does it look like Mace Windu has an iPad?
Nice Topic to chew on. From my point of view, the "Chosen One" refers to the Skywalker bloodline. To understand this,we must first unlearn what we have learned. It wasnt until the Prequels where we discover Anakin is the chosen one of Prophecy. The Clone War was perfect motivation for the Jedi to endure a war that slowly changed their long standing principles,for the worse. This Prophecy and their belief in it,was the only thing keeping their morality intact,albeit blind to the true nature of its fufillment. It is proven Anakin was no doubt the Chosen One,as he gave us a sample by taming the Fathers children on mortis,he is the living embodiment of balance. He has constantly manipulated both aspects of the Force to achieve his goals before he bacame Vader. The truth of Prophecies,is they are unclear as to how it will all play out,and i feel Anakin played his part the way he was meant to. Having children was key to fufilling his true destiny,something we never knew when there was only the Original Trilogy to go on at the time.Obi-Wan,and Yoda had the time to rethink their old perspective of how the Prophecy would be fufilled,understanding the children of the Chosen One would help destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force,so from Kenobis point of view,Luke was the chosen one,in this time,to help fufill Anakins Destiny.
I think you may be on to something. I think the Skywalkers are the chosen ones... that they are, in a sense, the living embodiment of balance. And it's not just one in particular. I'm even trying to put together a video that discusses this very idea and hope to have it done and up in the next day or two.
I think the biggest problem I see in this debate is the idea that there is simply a chosen "ONE" but that there can't be a new chosen one to follow. I see no reason why they can't both be the chosen since Anakin was created for a purpose, though by the Sith, yet did end the Sith as prophesized. Afterwards when the dark side remerges (new sequel trilogy) Luke may now be the "chosen one" for a new role, that being to bring about the new wave of Jedi.
In any case ObiWan's view of Luke being the chosen one, new chosen one, or however he sees Luke at the time between ROTS and ANH he believed Anakin was indeed dead or gone and would not be coming back. He did not consider redemption or turning back to the light a possibility for Anakin therefor, in his mind, Luke was the only hope left. So maybe chosen one is not quite right, he saw Luke as the New Hope they needed. When Maul was dying in his arms it was more fitting to just say it that way than to go into a lengthy explanation about the actual chosen one that is now a Sith lord but that there's this new kid that can turn things around if all goes well, blah, blah, blah. Just tell Maul the short version that's accurate enough before he dies already.
On another note, why Luke and not Leia? Well that's a topic for another discussion but I must presume that ObiWan must have had enough knowledge of Leia to tell that she was only mildly force sensitive, at best, whereas he must have interpreted what he saw in Luke's character and piloting skills, etc. to see evidence that he was following in Anakin's foot steps.
Von Glover I totally agree that's how I perceived it as well.
+Thor Skywalker Upon re-visiting this topic I am thinking rather than you doing a video on this perhaps Von should. I think his words here said it very well but I know only a portion of us read what's down here in the comments section. Most people can't even be bothered to give a thumbs up :).
Also, while I'm here, I'm not really sure that Luke's mission was as much about re-creating the Jedi Order as it may be to end the whole Jedi vs. Sith issue completely. I don't know if the Sith made a come back first or if that only happened after Luke began training new Jedi but either way it has always seemed to me that balance has to be derived from a universe with both or neither. The idea of the light without the dark (or visa versa) somehow equaling balance has never made any sense to me. Maybe we will see the disintegration of both in the coming films 8 and 9 but I think we already had that after ROTJ. I guess Luke being light side and believing in the Jedi way was possibly preventing the balance.
The Jedi live almost in a dream/fantasy world, they’re too high minded their heads are in the clouds, they probably spend all their time on their laurels, speaking about grand endeavours whilst not taking enough action. they lose sight of or don’t entirely see the practical side of things and what’s really important. They completely forget about the slaves, Anakin mother, important issues like that. That being said, it seems like humans are overly under represented on the Jedi council. So they even understand or care about human affairs? Can they? Obviously everyone seems to forget what matters most to us as a species, it’s our compassion and our hearts. We’re not aliens, at least to each other. I’m not sure how else to explain it. It reminds me of that quote from Superman “they can be a great people Kal El if they wish to be, they merely lack the light to show them the way. That is why I have sent them you, my only son”
It seemed to imply that Luke is the chosen one. And tbh that would make a lost of sense in regard of episode VIII. If he's the chosen one, bringing balance to the force would probably mean getting rid of the jedi order, which would actually make him the last jedi. Maybe it's because for Obi Wan, he feels like Anakin failed so it has to be his son, or that he likes twisting the truth. I think that Luke brings balance to the force and bring that balance to others, to Vader in rotj or maybe the other way around, this question is going to be really important in the sequel trilogy.
I agree, there is a good possibility this was supposed to be a subtle clue for things to come in the new trilogy.
Anakin IS the chosen one. Luke was the one redeeming Darth Vader, remembering him of the good inside of himself. Then, he does fulfill the prophecy, destroying the sith, meaning himself and Sidious.
Also, the prophecy says that a one born by the force will bring balance.
The little things George Lucas did in Episode 3 were great. Especially that shot at 3:00. It shows the dark, clouded judgement Anakin has but also the good or "light" still in him.
Anakin was so strong with the force that it Guide him.
To others it looked arrogant ,but the force was guiding him.
I know the description and belief stem from Rebels, but I'm going to look at this only considering the movies (plus, I didn't watch Rebels). From watching Ep 1-3 this last week and Ep 4-6 this past weekend, it really put a lot into perspective. I believe that the main reason why Obi-Wan would think Luke is the Chosen One is directly related to his own failure as a Master to Anakin. You can really see this in Alec's face in Ep 4 and as a Force Ghost in the other two; he dwells on his past failure. In Ep 1-3, we see that the Jedi are rather arrogant and have become more political, like you said, which is what led to them being easily manipulated over an extended period of time by Sidious. I do think that's why not one Jedi, not even Yoda, could sense that Anakin was married, let alone was going to be the father of twins. Anakin's turn into Vader, thus him destroying the Jedi temple, younglings, and various Jedi was a devastating blow to Obi-Wan's confidence, character, and ego. He had how long to process what happened, to let it eat away at him and the only way he could rationalize why this happened is to convince himself that Anakin really wasn't the Chosen One, that it was Luke instead. This theory could also explain that he somehow forgot about Leia.
Watching Ep 1-6 really gave me the impression that Luke really rode on the coat tails of Anakin. At the end of Ep 3, after he dawns the Vader suit, he still loves and cares for Padme. After realizing she was dead, he thought his children were dead too. His grief and anger clouded his thoughts and he was like this until halfway though Ep 6, even after first learning about his son in Ep 5. Throughout Ep 4-5, you see Vader give zero mercy or understanding to anyone. You failed = choke hold death; no second chances! During the middle of Ep 6 when he arrived on Death Star 2.0, he utters "The Emperor won't be as forgiving as I am". When was he ever "forgiving"? Did seeing his son, after all those years of thinking he was dead, ignite the part of him he buried after Padme died? (being an emotional trainwreck could cause him to forget about Leia, for the time being) You can see this come about on Endor when Luke says "I sense the conflict within you". Vader struggles with this because being a Sith is all he's known for decades; he was immersed in it. Ultimately, seeing his son being struck with lightning by Sidious caused Vader to have flashbacks to when Padme died, how he loved her/their children, and how Sidious tricked him. You can see this by how Vader does two head turns to Sidious, to Luke, to Sidious, and back to Luke. Ultimately, Vader wouldn't let fate repeat itself and killed Sidious and thus, fulfilled the prophecy of The Chosen One.
Very well said. I totally agree with you that Obi-Wan's thoughts are influenced heavily by the fact that he feels like he failed Anakin... and has to believe Luke is the one who can make things right. Imagine if you'd been the one who trained the kid who would become Darth Vader?
I've also always felt while watching Episode VI that Vader was heavily impacted by his encounter with Luke during Episode V. He feels a bit 'kinder' in that movie, relatively speaking of course. I mean he gave this offer to his son in Episode V, to rule the galaxy together, and instead of taking him up on it... Luke let himself fall to what should've been his death. That had to be such an odd moment for Vader... for so long he had desired to be the ruler of the galaxy, yet when he offered to share this with his son... his son basically told him I'd rather be dead than rule the galaxy. I'd have to imagine this made him reexamine what he'd become.
Out of all the recent is Luke the chosen on vid's I have seen over the past few days, this one is the most in debt. A lot of the other vids from larger channels are basically either playing a clip of Lucas saying anakin is the chosen one. Or an excerpt from a book. Good show as always dude !!
Thank you... I didn't even know other channels had gone into the topic (though I'm not surprised). I kinda exist in my only little UA-cam bubble now and tend not to watch any other Star Wars channels, preferring just to do my own thing without influence of any kind.
Dude , your bubble is Golden lol. Honestly I am unsubscribing from 3 other Star Wars channels today. I understand their need to out out content. But 2 minutes , sometimes 1 1/2 minute videos on topics already being discussed is ridiculous. Keep doing what you do bro.
This is a great one dude. Again, great perspective and logically thought out and delivered! 👍
Thank you very much.
if Anakin was the chosen one, what does "bring balance to the force" mean? Explain how Anakin brought balance. If the force is still unbalanced in the sequel era, then it's up to Luke. Therefore, it was Luke redeeming his father that destroyed the Sith and Luke who will, in episodes 8 and 9, finally bring balance. Why continue the saga past Jedi if the prophesy is already fulfilled?
That’s why I don’t like the sequel trilogy especially in rise of skywalker when they made a bad move of bringing back palpatine
Understand and appreciate your explanation. However, another way to think about it is this: Obi-wan questioned the prophecy in TPM. Then, through his experience with Anakin and just how powerful he was, he began to believe that he was the chosen one. By the end of ROTS, with the perspective of the Jedi being hunted down and killed and Anakin being dead, he had no choice but to believe that Anakin WAS NOT the chosen one. So if he was not, who is or will be? In ANH, I believe we see that glimmer of hope in Obi-wan's eye about Luke possibly being the chosen one when he sees Luke handle Anakin's lightsaber (& feels the Force flow through him), which is what prompts Obi-wan to say "You should become a Jedi Knight, like your father."
The second explanation/analyses i've seen today and that i agree =) Good work.
just a note in the revenge of the sith novelization its strongly implied that obi wan knew about anakin being married to padme and that he says nothing because padme made anakin happy
It's been awhile since I read that book... I think it might be time I go back and reread it.
if you can try to get hold of the audiobook its fantastic
So in conclusion do you think the Jedi may have been wrong about not having any 'outside attachments' to be balanced and fully able to connect to the force? What is Padme's influence on Anakin. Is it positive? You're suggestion that Obiwan thought it was means he should also have reflected on the Jedi Council prohibition on 'family ties'. If he thought it negative he may well have addressed it directly at the time.
Isn't this analogous with the Catholic Priesthood not marrying for the sake of having a full connection with God? Then the Protestants have a different take on this. Did Qui-gon and perhaps even the original 'Jedii' once have a different take on this?..Analogous with perhaps how some think Jesus was actually married to Mary Magdalene?
I assumed he knew about it ever since the end of Attack of the Clones.
You're looking at The Chose One as being a champion of the Jedi which is why Anakin doesn't really fit and gives way to Luke filling the role much better, and he does, but only if you think The Chose One has to be good. For like 1000 years the Republic ruled the galaxy in peace and the Jedi were their peace keepers but in order to attain true balance good cannot dominate evil like that. Anakin played a huge part in crushing the Jedi thus relinquishing the light side's hold on the galaxy. He also played a major role in cutting the head off of the sith snake. It was Anakin's embodiment of both good and evil that showed Luke there is more to the force than two polar sides. I've heard that Luke will bring in the concept of Grey Jedi in The Last Jedi. By killing the Jedi first and then the Sith, Anakin opened up the door for Luke to bring about a balanced view to using the force.
We don't know how many 'Chosen One' prophecies & beliefs are still out there...most likey many more than just the prophecy of Mortis
You hit the nail on the head in my opinion. And fleshed out the Obi-wan perspective very well. It's like Lucas (I believe it was Lucas) said. Anakin was the chosen one, Luke was simply the catalyst to bringing him back into the light in order to fulfill that destiny.
The way Pablo Hidalgo answered a question about this on Rebels Recon suggests they're leaving it to interpretation, which is very clever if they do, and TCW season 6 suggests the Luke could be the Chosen One, and Kenobi saying it in this is a good indication of Luke possibly being the Chosen One.
-I know what Lucas said about Anakin, but he sold SW, and he could never make up his mind.-
And, as someone who has been supporting the Luke theory for some time now, it is good to see acknowledgment.
Anakin is clearly the chosen one !
Prequels = Fall of the Chosen One
Originals = Rise of the Chosen One
Only the bloodline of the Skywalker can destroy the Sith. In their twisted plot, Darth Plagues the Wise and Darth Sidious did not plan on one thing, Anakin having children. This is where the light comes into play. " We have a new enemy. The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. He could destroy us."-Emperor Palpatine to Darth Vader. "Luke, you do not realize your importance. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this."-Darth Vader to Luke Skywalker. "The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is why you were hidden when you were born." Obi Wan Kenobi to Luke Skywalker. Thus, why Emperor Palpatine used the dark side of the Force at the end of episode 3 to kill Padme, whom he knew was pregnant by Anakin and thought he killed her and the baby. Both he and Darth Vader were surprised over 20 years later that the babies were twins. So, given that a Skywalker is the Chosen One that will one day destroy the Sith and bring peace and balance to the galaxy and the Force, it makes perfect sense why Supreme Leader Snoke wanted to turn Ben Solo evil into Kylo Ren. That only leaves one who is the Chosen One...Rey Skywalker!!! Yes, she is Luke's daughter and would have to be to be the Chosen One...Watch the UA-cam video Rey Skywalker/There is Another!!!
Pablo Hildago tweeted on March 19 regarding Obiwan's statement: "reminder if a fictional character thinks something, it doesn't necessarily mean they are right."
And goes on to tweet:
"In other words, rewatch Episode 4-6 to figure out where Old Ben thinks where salvation lies and where he think no hope remains."
So from that I believe what he says to maul is his "point of view". This does not change Anakin as the chosen one dialogue.
I totally agree. From Obi-Wan's point of view Luke was the only hope they had.... he could've never imagined Anakin turning back to the light.
well theres a small chance that the only reason for anakin to exist was to make a son who would bring balance to the force, like an engineer who bilds a weapon wihich kills people, he didnt do it directly, but its his fault they died, same could be applied to anakin
With the fact that the Jedi were way to tied up in galactic poltics and serving the will of a political body and not the will of the Force it's self. Combined with Yoda's decision to lead the Jedi order in only teaching the light side of the Force and not covering the dark and how to defend against it which would have given the Jedi better balance in their under standing of the Force. I think both made the Jedi order unready to train the chosen one. If Qui Gon Jinn would have survived his fight with Maul and sense Qui Gon believed in following the will of the Force over the will of the High Council he would have been the best person to train Anikan by far.
Anakin wasn't supposed to be found by either side. He wasn't supposed to be either Jedi or Sith, as they both were corrupt.
Poor old man. The desert must've gotten to him.
Luke was basically The Chosen One...
*for The Chosen One.*
It would be fantastic if we actually knew what the prophecy read in the texts, and, in my own hopes, perhaps we'll come to know it in episode VIII, considering the old artifacts, relics, and sacred texts that Luke has possession of.
Besides that, I had a sort of... different interpretation of the scene found in Rebels: Twin Suns. Mostly, how could Kenobi be certain that Luke is the chosen one? Considering that he, and Yoda, would feel that the Jedi misread the prophecy in regards to Anakin, how could he come back to say something so absolute(no pun intended) about the prophecy?
Frankly, I don't think Ben Kenobi had full certainty in that moment that Luke is the chosen one, but for the sake of the scene, and for the sake of Maul, he had to say it with certainty, in order to soothe Maul. Earlier in that scene he said "I must mend this old wound." to Ezra, cementing my theory that Kenobi, while not entirely sure of Luke's future and his place in the world, and his feelings toward the prophecy and Anakin, was also influenced by his will and training as a Jedi to bring serenity among everyone, and his long-term conflict with Maul, which lead him to that direct "He is." to the "Is he the chosen one?" that Maul inquired.
Besides, if Ben Kenobi WAS certain that Luke was the chosen one, as it could seem in Episode VI where he speaks with Yoda about Luke being the only hope, with Yoda's counter that is still discussed to this day... "No, there is another", we ought to apply common sense to even fictional characters sayings, and take them with a grain of salt, as we do with anybody in real life, and not fully trust them and change our thinking on everything based on one line, especially considering my theory about being influenced by his will and his conflict between Maul.
Also, I wanted to take this comment to say I do adore your videos! Great topics are held with just concise and direct points and left with a lot of room for discussion! It captures me and gets me to contemplate about the topic right after. I enjoy it a lot, and I plan on continuing to watch your newest videos. Keep up the good work Thor.
One could say that Luke, being the catalyst for the return of Anakin and subsequently Anakin killing the Emperor, could be regarded as the chosen one. Sort of like Anakin was just the tool of the Emperor's destruction, Luke was the one who wielded that tool, so in a way you could make a legit argument for Luke actually being the real bringer of balance and he used the redemption of his father to accomplish the task. I do think there's definite debate to be had on the subject, it's for sure not that set in stone as long as logic can be drawn for the opposing argument. Not saying I believe that, but from a certain point of view....
This Rebels episode (which I loved), may be foreshadowing Luke becoming the Chosen One in the current triology. I know Anakin was said to be the chosen one, and he did destroy the Sith, but did he bring balance to the force? The force was perhaps more in balance, before Anakin returned to the light (two jedi and two sith). After the battle of Endor, only Luke remained as a light force user (is that balance)? In Rebels they have teased the grey. The Bendu (the one in the midle). Even Ezra, Kanan and perhaps Rey seem grey. The only real light and dark-side, are perhaps Luke and Snoke. I wouldnt be surprised if Luke sacrifices himself to end Snoke in ep. 9, and in that way brings Balance to the force. No more light (no more jedi) and no dark (sith), only grey remain.
AreFarmen It doesn't work like that. Numbers or lack thereof does not mean balance.
I understand your point. 1 lightside user + 1 darkside user doesnt equal balance. What I was trying to say, is that balance is not achieveable by following only the light or the dark. Remember Kanans first meeting with the Bendu, when the Bendu says something like "your imbalance is like a storm in this place". Kanan; a jedi and lightside forcewielder, is in deep imbalance. Balance is achieved when beeing both in the light AND the dark, by following the whole will of the force, not only the light side.
Maul was dying so Obi didn't have time to go into details. He wanted Maul to have peace in his last seconds of living.
Anakin Skywalker is the chosen one and Luke is... the Other One. =].
I completely agree but I would also like to add that the Jedi believed bringing balance to the force was solely getting rid of the sith but balance means getting rid of both. I think this is another main reason Obi-Wan thought Anikin wasn't the chosen on.
obi wan said it himself to Ezra in that episode--- the truth is what we want to believe (or make of it, I don't remember exactly and I'm not gonna go sit thru it again just now)... so obi wan himself sees LUKE as the chosen one, no ifs ands or buts.... whether or not he was the driving force that guided Anakin back, or he himself was the chosen one, which cuz of his actions his father came back, whatever, in kenobi's mind it's Luke and that's it....
You're absolutely right. Obi-Wan is all about the truth from certain points of view, and from his point of view Luke has to be the chosen. And maybe he'll even still consider him as such after Luke is the one who helps turn Anakin back to the light.
Misterr Serch
Pablo Hildago tweeted on March 19 regarding Obiwan's statement: "reminder if a fictional character thinks something, it doesn't necessarily mean they are right."
And goes on to tweet:
"In other words, rewatch Episode 4-6 to figure out where Old Ben thinks where salvation lies and where he think no hope remains."
So from that I believe what he says to maul is his "point of view". This does not change Anakin as the chosen one dialogue.
i know that, to US, it's anakin, still...but to obi wan, it's luke. Cuz liek we all know, kenobi thinks anakin is lost for good
Just musing... it almost seems like the Jedi have an issue with waiting for messianic figures that don't live up to what is expected or prophesied. Almost a, "Do you die the hero, or live long enough to become the villain." sort of thing.
correction, the jedi interpretted the prophecy as destroying the sith and bringing balance, when it only says to bring balance, so when order 66 was enacted, only yoda and obi wan remain, as did the emporer and vader, bringing balance, temporarily. then there was the training of inquisitors and there was also luke, so again, there was imbalance but on a much smaller scale, so luke became the chosen one when the jedi and the sith died, and he became gray. and gray as we know from the bindu is a balance of light and dark, so when only luke remained, there was balance to the force, as told by the prophecy. of course episode 7 kinda puts a few holes in that and i dont see trying to explain the prophecy, perhaps by getting rid of snoke and the force ghost will balance truly be achieved, and an order of gray force users rise up to quell any that stray to an extreme, light or dark. i hope disney does explain the prophecy in ep 8 but i doubt it, so ill just assume it was fufilled by luke and some sort of alternate timeline started after the battle of endor
i agree. that said is it possible that it was anakin who yoda was referring to when he said "no there is another". maybe yoda foresaw anakins return to the light. the eerie red light on yoda when he says this makes me think he might've been referring to anakin. ive always been pretty convinced yoda was referring to leia since thats the big revelation in the next movie but maybe yoda sensed that luke wouldnt die on cloud city because vader would spare his life and thats the "other" that yoda was referring to. so when obi-wan said that luke is their only hope yoda mightve been thinking "i sense luke isnt going to die just yet but the only way luke, who isnt as strong as vader, escapes cloud city alive is if vader allows him to so maybe theres hope for anakin afterall"
At first I would say that makes no sense... however, when you think about it, it might make a lot of sense. As soon as Luke left his training on Dagobah, and thus made it inevitable that he was going to confront Vader at Cloud City, Yoda may have looked into the future to see how things would play out... and was now able to see Anakin's redemption. Why? Because I think Anakin's return to the light began the very moment his son refused to accept his 'amazing' offer to rule the galaxy as father and son. When Luke let go and let himself fall to what should have been his death (and what he likely thought would be) he basically told Vader (his father) that I'd rather die than go to the dark side and rule the galaxy. I'd have to imagine this made Vader start to question everything... and perhaps Yoda was able to see that a shift in Vader was coming, that it was possible the "chosen one" could come back to the light and balance the Force.
yes this is exactly how i was thinking it. clearly vader had some fatherly feelings for luke from the moment he realized who he was and was plotting to over throw the emperor with him. i think what vader realized that he didnt like what he had become since his own son reacted with such horror at finding out the truth he was sort of like "jesus christ, am i really that terrible?" and began to reassess. and this plays into how luke rejects the dark side again in return of the jedi for fear of becoming like vader.
obi wan could have come to the more literal translation of bringing balance to the force, seeing as how due to anakins/vaders actions there were 2 known sith lords and 2 known jedi masters remaining in the galaxy, a literal balance of power. This is the theory that I am most fond of personally
and whilst he may think luke is the chosen one, from what perspective? chosen to bring balance to the force, which I'm sorry but you can't have no sith around and have the force in balance, or chosen to restart the jedi order, chosen to defeat the emperor? The list really can go on...
I agree, it really is all about what point of view you take... and we know Obi-Wan can, at times, have skewed points of view.
truly in the end anikan did fulfill the prophecy and kill Palpatine by throwing him over and edge
Well, Prophecies ... it is a tricky buisness, my favourite Quote about the nature of Prophecies comes from the Book-Series, A Song of Ice and Fire. Tyrion Lannister said this: "Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head"
As Mace Windu said, the Jedi didn't know what it meant bring Balance to the Force. I think What Kylo Ren said is true: /I will finish what you started/, thats what he wants, thats what Luke wants, they want both Balance in the Force, but unfortunately, no one knows what that means. Kylo believes an very old Manthat he knows what that means, Luke searched the Answer in old Jedi Temples.
I think Luke found the Answer and thats it what we will see in Episode 8 and 9. How Luke, Rey and Kylo bring Balance to the Force.
That doesn't mean that Anakin is not the chosen One, he just didn't complete his task. And by the Way, you can't follow a road if you don't know the Way, Anakin knew it was his duty to bring Balance to the Force, that was his Road, but he didn't know the Way to follow the Road, he didn't know what it means to bring Balance to the Force. So his Blood, his Family, Luke and Kylo will complete his Task, at least thats how I understand it.
First, I love that quote from Tyrion. Second, you kind of touched on something very interesting: the fact that Anakin didn't know how to fulfill the prophecy. In fact, at no point during the prequels do we ever hear Anakin refer to himself as "the chosen one" or that he is to bring balance to the Force. For all we know Anakin never truly believed it himself, or if he did (as you point out) he didn't know what he was supposed to do to make that happen.
I love that Quote too, Tyrion is one of my favourite Characters in that Book-Series. :) And we should not forget that Yoda himself said that the Prophecy could be misread by the Jedi. It is a very old Prophecy and thats why it could ne misread, I for myself think that someone made that Prophecy when Jedi and Sith split up, in Canon we already heard about Ashla and Bogan, which means that the Origins of the Jedi lay in both Sides.
heres a video idea ,after the latest trailer i came up with a reasonable way luke could be the chosen one for jedi to exist there must be sith. and for sith to exist jedi must exist. if luke ends the jedi . the sith will end as well. bringing balance to the force. teaching rey a grey side of the force. peeheps rey will save kylo with these new /old teachings.
Luke is the better character. Makes more sense with the films going forward.
Nope, He sucks in the sequel trilogy.
the prophecy says that the chosen one will bring Balance to the Force. it doesn't say kill the sith.
We really don't know exactly what the Prophecy says. We do know that Obi-Wan says to Anakin at the end of Episode III that "it was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them". To me that implies somewhere within the written text it is mentioned that the Chosen One is to balance the Force by destroying the Sith. Or at least that's how the Jedi interpreted it.
Anakin is the perfect example of an emotionally immature man. Who after getting his first piece of ass loses his frigging mind in order to keep that supply line open. Dude fixated on one chick for 20 plus years until he met her again as an adult. He was one obsessive , giving off a stalker vibe, love means to possess the object of your desires mofo. Even with Padme not even in the equation , he would have still turned to the dark side. He lived his most formulative early years as a Slave. Being freed would not Instantly cause him to forget those memories. The deleted post pod race scene of him beating down a young greedo showed that behind that kind smile was anger ready to explode.
To sum it up, Anakin would have always been a destined to wrest the Jedi . And also, Obi-wan was just a bad teacher in regards to Anakin needing someone who could be more relaxed and less rigid when training him. And not someone like Obi-wan who was 95% of the time really inflexible to change.
Prophecy spoke of child born from pure force aka Anakin.
I always thought Anakin was the "Chosen One" based on the information and narrative of the stories. and because he did bring balance of a sorts to the force, at least as far as the Seth and the Jedi are concerned. However, the thoughts in this video although interesting and fun to think about, are based on Obi-Wan, Anakin, and all the other characters being real people with a past, a present, and a future. They are not, they are only characters in an ever changing and evolving story. It is said in writing stories you never want to put anything into a story that isn't supposed to lead to something later on. Being that In the SWR episode the story teller/writer confirms (not in so many words via Obi-Wan) that Luke is the "chosen one" means something. To me this is only confirmed with other episodes of SWR and the release of the teaser of "The Last Jedi." Of course this is only what I am thinking about it. As an original 1977 Star Wars Fan and follower throughout the decades, i have seen the direction of the story change many times. I do like the direction the new stories are going. Take care all and May the Forth be with you.
Luke is the chosen one because without Luke there is no redemption
You should ask different questions! How does the force manifest in people in the Star Wars Galaxy? Is force sensitivy inheritable?
The answers are, it's random and no you don't inherit the ability to use the force through bloodrelation.
But there is an exception! The Skywalker family. Why is that?
Simple, Anakin is a chosen one, Luke is a chosen one, Leia is a chosen one and Ben is a chosen one, too.
George Lucas once confirmed that Luke has the same force potential like Anakin/Vader, so how could that be if Vader was the chosen one? The answer is that every descendant of him inherit his powers and destiny, they are all chosen ones.
Perhaps the prophecy of the chosen one never ment one specific person, but multiple persons, who have to bring the force in time of tumult back in balance.
We don't actually know if Anakin was the first chosen one of the Skywalker-bloodline, perhaps one distant ancestor of Shmi hat a simillar destiny, and perhaps Shmi was force sensitive, but was never trained and never used spectacular force powers, but the power of her heritage granted her the ability to conceive a force child, Anakin.
This theory would explain why Supremeleader Snoke is interrested in Ben Solo from the beginning of his birth, because Kylo Ren is a chosen one.
Martin Streck that's great! I have a similar view on this very same idea. I posted in another thread. I see Anakin as being like an Abraham. Abraham was chosen by God to become the father of many nations. I see him as being the chosen one as the father of many who will continue to bring balance to the force. So his bloodline has been chosen and because of his life his choice to love etc... he is the father of many chosen to keep the force balanced. Love your perception of this theory and happy I'm not the only one who saw this in the story. Thanks for posting this.
I love where you're going with all that and it is something I'd do a video on if people would like me to do it.
Thor Skywalker yes Thor I'd love to see you do a video on this theory. I also see Kylo-Ben as being the new chosen one and his redemption will lead him to bringing back balance to the force. Which is what made me see Anakin in this way. That his bloodline has been chosen to continuously keep the force in balance.
I stated befor that the Skywalker-family is the exception. And no just because midichlorians are in your blood it doesn't make the midichlorian count, which is the reason for force sensitivy, inheritable. In Star Wars Legends Obi-Wan Kenobi comes from a rich family of nobiltity, but he is just the rare exception of a force sensitive among them, for the jedi his midichlorian count isn't even super high just arround average, any other notable member of the Kenobi-family doesn't show signs of force sensitivy.
See it that way if a Sith could pass hith midichlorian count to his children, he would aquire a harem of pretty women and produce enough children to rule the galaxy with them. Does the Emperor do that in the movies? Or does he cling to Darth Vader?
Of course, he clings to Darth Vader, Palpatine could search a lifetime for another apprentice with a simillar midichlorian count like Anakin/Vader and fail to find a replacement. The only suitable apprentice to replace Darth Vader would be Luke Skywalker.
That's why in my opinion any theory about Rey being a Kenobi or a Palpatine is pretty much nonsense. There is the possibility of her being a Skywalker, but I think it's unlikely.
Much more reasonable would be that Rey is a random new character, a no-one! But her destiny is interwined with the destiny of Ben Solo. Why is that? Simple, that is the romance in the sequel trilogy. Rey will fall in love with Kylo Ren, and he with her. This is the salvation of Kylo Ren, he will destroy Snoke at the end of episode IX to save Rey.
Irondarwin, please, Qui-Gon only asks of Anakin's father in the script of Phantom Menace to put emphasis on Anakin as Christlike figure, who becomes basically the Anti-Christ, because Anakin has no father.
Anakin skywalker is the chosen one to bring the gray Jedi into action. Anakin was a gray Jedi also that's why qui gon liked him
just a thought/theory. what if it is luke? The profecy says bring balance to the force. how is destoying the sith and leaving only luke as a light jedi balanced. what of the grey jedi theory for the last jedi is true and luke by becoming a grey jedi is bringing true balance to the force once he defeats snoke and begins training the "new jedi" as grey jedi. like the exerpt from the journal of the whills said resolving of grey. dont remember the exact qoute. just my theory.
well Anakin did balance the force, two sith two Jedi. but apart from that Luke could have been the chosen one too because if it wasn't for him Vader wouldn't have gone against palpy
Your opinion is super close to Sam Witwer's lol that's badass!
A prophecy, that misread could have been.
It'd be interesting if the Chosen was a lineage, not one person. A lineage passed through blood or apprenticeship, conceived by the midi-chlorians to bring balance to the Force and destroy the Sith.
wait a minute after seeing the latest Star Wars film you don't think that Rey is actually the chosen one? Since the saber obviously chose her and this didn't happen either with Luke or Annakin..
maybe Qui Gon told Ben this. it could be designed to play into the new/current trilogy.
also, they wouldn't just hack such a profound line into the last minute of a Canon episode. I think this is another hint (like ones in the recent spate of books) as to what's going on in episodes 7-9.
I agree, this could very well be some type of clue for what's to come in the new trilogy. I have to believe that when Episode 9 ends, the Force will finally be in perfect balance and it may very well because of Luke's doing.
Well, actually Anakin IS the Chosen One. He was destined to become a Sith, if you think about it. It was a dramatic destiny and it was of course for the mistakes that the Jedi made with him, but in a way he was destined to become a Sith. Why? Simple: because he had to know the Dark Side, or, to say it better, all the aspects of the Force, the light and the dark. To understand, to choose and doing so, to fulfill the Prophecy. In the "Revenge Of The Sith" novel, talking about the Jedi Padmé asks to Obi Wan, about Anakin, if he isn't suppost to be the Chosen One. And Obi Wan says yes, but he says also that the Jedi speak of "the will of the Force" not knowing what does this really mean. And also that the Prophecy doesn't say that the Chosen One must be a Jedi. Which is true. It doesn't say it. The Jedi have argued that the Chosen One (aka Anakin) have to be a Jedi, because they interpret everything from a Jedi point of view, but the Prophecy doesn't say it. But it's Anakin who kills the Emperor and doing so he destroys the Empire (he kills the Emperor before the action of Han and Lando). Most important, he destroys the Sith. He fulfill the Prophecy, because knowing both sides of the Force, knowing ALL the Force, he can choose, he can understand... let's say which one is the right one. And he brings balance, a new era of the Republic. Yes, there are problems, but the Prophecy doesn't say that the Evil would be defeated once and for all (well, actually at the end of "The Return The Jedi" the situation was exactly this one, but we needed more ;-) ), it speaks of a balance that can be see as a new hope for freedom, justice, democracy. With the Empire there was nothing of all of that. And Anakin does so not only with the destruction of the Sith.Anakin fulfill the Prophecy in many ways: by killing the Emperor (and himself, also) and helping destroy the Empire, but also having a family, being father, with his children, because they are as powerful as he is (and we can say it also for his grandchild or grandchildren) and they cand face Evil and lead people. With his children, with the Skywalker family, Jedi can progress and the Galaxy can have always a huge hope for justice, freedom and democracy. They can actually achieve all of this even against a new attempt of tyranny. This is balance.
this is all presupposing that Luke/Vader did INDEEED bring balance back to the force. Sees to me that no balance has been achieved and that this is strongly hinted at in both the Force Awakens and the novelization of the film (the poem at the beginning mentioning how "grey" will "make things right"). This to me says that both Rey and Kylo Ren, with their dual natures, will brings balance back..maybe with the help of Luke? Vader may have only started the balance...or he just defeated the dark, but balance could be a mixture of both dark and light. Probably Rey will be tasked with training new grey jedi at the end of the trilogy (hopefully Ren too but we shall see where they go with that character, he may, narratively speaking, have to die though I would prefer not as I dont want the Skywalkers to die out)
Even if Anakin/Luke did bring balance to the Force, and I do think they did, how long did it last for? Five minutes? Yes, it was obviously longer than that, but my point is that only thirty years later (the blink of an eye in terms of galactic history) here we are again: the Force is all out of balance and something needs to be done to save the galaxy. The more I think about it, the more I think Rey is a creation of the Force itself, destined to bring lasting balance to the force this time... and Kylo/Ben, the perfect blend of light and dark, will be the one that helps her do it).
You're reading my mind, Thor!
Technically he did destroy the sith. He killed palpatine and died. He ended the sith. Whilst still giving birth to Luke which brings balance.
Anakin was the chosen one, simple & plain... if yall wanna get into how & why, respond to this comment & we'll go in on it!
Self Elevation explain
bs2455 indeed... See the thing is prophecies are roles & whoever truly lives out that particular role is the fullfiller of that prophecy... The chosen one was meant to bring balance to the Force. . this was not Luke's role... Luke was more of the chosen redeemer. . he helped bring Anakin back to the light, plus he is still playing that role of the redeemer where as he has to redeem the Jedi order. . Anakin, being the chosen one had to go thru his different tests & levels before he truly brought balance to the Force. . he had to go from childhood being separated from his moms, to later loosing his moms, to later loosing Padme'. He eventually had to go to the "Darth" level, which that in itself has a lot of meaning, & fully embrace the dark side. & eventually he was able to bring it back home by destroying Sidious & truly restoring the original order of the Force. . see when you look at Snoke & the "First Order", he's trying to bring back the Force in favor of the dark side. But even he recognizes there has to be some kind of balance between light & dark.. That's why the Force had to awaken. Because the results Anakin brought forth had put the cosmic Force at peace & at rest for the moment. But now with the pendulum being active again, we'll have to see how Luke, being the redeemer, will balance the Force, being that he has to use his initial spark of energy in order to control the swinging of the pendulum in favor for the righteous. . feel me? Hope I'm not sounding too vague. I'm just trying to explain it how I see it. But indeed, it does go deeper than what I'm just saying. . but yes, Anakin always was & represented the Chosen One... . . .
Self Elevation luke would be the chosen one in that sense, would he not? luke persuaded Vader back to the other side. I don't believe vader would have crossed back over if it weren't for his son being in dire need. So I think luke returned balance to the force
bs2455 yeah, I agree... Luke was def the one to bring Vader/Anakin back home. But you gotta remember Anakin himself was the one to do (or did) the work... Luke does have to bring balance to the Force in some type of way, but Anakin was actual & full embodiment of the chosen one. . Anakin was the original chosen one & it will take his son to continue the work. But it was Anakin himself who started & was doing the work.. . . dig?..
It wouldn't of been from Asoka.. . . not even Ben, as we saw.. . it def had to be Luke.. . . .
I do think Ani is the chosen one but not in the same way you think. The legend says he would destroy the sith and bring balance to the force. He did that in ROTJ! He killed Palpatine and died in the process. Sith gone, peace in the galaxy, force is in balance. Until of course TFA hehe.
what if its obi wan it would make sense he defeated the most sith
Given the fact that The Clone Wars is canon, and that in that show Anakin was irrifutibly CONFIRMED to be the Chosen One, I don't get why people think this is a debate tbh.
i believe the Chosen One is the Skywalker line.....
I agree, I think the whole family may indeed be the chosen one(s).
He thought he was the chosen one cuz like yoda said a prophecy that mis read could have been. So he thinks the son of anakin to be the true chosen one. Without anakin there would be no Luke.
Nice Topic to chew on. From my point of view, the "Chosen One" refers to the Skywalker bloodline. To understand this,we must first unlearn what we have learned. It wasnt until the Prequels where we discover Anakin is the chosen one of Prophecy. The Clone War was perfect motivation for the Jedi to endure a war that changed their long standing principles,for the worse. It is proven Anakin was no doubt the Chosen One,as he gave us a sample by taming the Fathers children on mortis,he is the living embodiment of balance. He has constantly manipulated both aspects of the Force to achieve his goals before he bacame Vader. The truth of Prophecies,is they are unclear as to how it will all play out,and i feel Anakin played his part the way he was meant to. Having children was key to fufilling his true destiny,something we never knew when there was only the Original Trilogy to go on at the time.Obi-Wan,and Yoda had the time to rethink their old perspective of how the Prophecy would be fufilled,understanding the children of the Chosen One would destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force,so from Kenobis point of view,Luke was the chosen one,in this time,to help fufill Anakins Destiny.
Obi wan is the real chosen one he just didn't want to reveal himself think about it.
So well explained
Yoda says they maybe misread the profit ....
Contrary to what Obi-Wan might believe... wasnt it essentially confirmed (or at least HIGHLY suggested) that Anakin was the chosen one in that one episode in I think season 5 of the clone wars animated series where they meet those beings that are extremely sensitive to the force. The girl is the light side, the son is the dark and the father is kind of in between. They basically tell Anakin he is for sure the chosen one, do they not? Then Anakin, Obi Wan and Ahsoka all get memory wiped.
Correct me if im wrong.
I interpret that Luke and Leia's birth is the will of the Force as Anakin had ALREADY turned to the dark side long before Padme was pregnant. Once he turned the first time in the sand village it forever dominated his destiny. The Force willed that his son would be the Chosen One reborn. As others have noted, a catalyst to restore Anakin to the light and fulfill destiny
I think Luke actually is the chosen one. But for Luke, Aniken would've remained evil. It was through Luke's doing that Vader I.e. Aniken turned on Palpatine. No Luke=Vader remains at Palpatine's side.
I certainly agree. If not for Luke Anakin never turns back to the light and cannot fulfill the prophecy of the chosen one. I dare say they both, in a way, are the chosen one.
By that logic, it seems fair to conclude that Qui-Gon Jinn is the chosen one. But for Qui-Gon, Anakin would have remained a slave in Tatooine and Luke wouldn't even have been born.
Thor Skywalker and without anakin, luke would be dead right now. Anakin saved his son and killed the last two sith.
How about ..did luke ever ask about his mother? when he turned himself in to vader..there was a gap of time before he went to the death star..He was always curious about his mother..i would think he would ask vader about her
That's actually a really cool thought.
Thanks..i mean it would make sense ..he showed compassion to him when they talked but resorted back to being angry ..he had to have reminded him of her at some point if he was in so much torture from her death
No doubt, there is a bit of "certain point of view" for Obi-Wan here. However, my suspicion is that Luke being the Chosen One is a set up for Eps. VIII and IX. That Obi-Wan's (and Yoda's) training with Qui-Gon in the Force led to quite a different depth in his understanding of the Force. And the subsequent differences in how he and Yoda taught the Jedi Code to Luke. These are what led Luke to be able to make the choices he did in RotJ, and to be successful. And I suspect that, ultimately, Luke has been given access to similar avenues of insight which, when combined with whatever he has discovered at the First Jedi Temple, will lead him to truly balance the Force by returning the Jedi to their role as guardians of the balance.
One of the first lines in Episode VII was Lor San Teka talking about 'the balance of the Force'. It's clear this trilogy is going to be about that, and I think when it ends the Force will finally be in balance... and in a way that it won't become unbalanced five minutes later.
Anakin was the chosen one since at the end of the movie it was vader/anakin who does kill emperor and after there was balance with no sith in sight of the known galaxy. Smoke is in the unknown galaxy.
Anakin is the chosen one !!!!! no Luke seriously has this guy even watched the movies !?.. AnakinSkywalkerDarthVader is the chosen one
So was the force in balance after return of the jedi? what about Snoke and Kylo?
I only ever watched, 'The Empire Strikes Back', when I was a kid, but The Chosen One is not corruptible, so The Chosen One cannot be Anikin.
well I believe anakin was the chosen one. this is because he had luke who turned him back to the light and since anakin was the one to end sidious
"Bring balance to the force" Anakin did do this, he made the scales even by killing all Jedi and Sith
I disagree. Yoda tells Obi's Force Ghost that Luke is not our (The Jedi's) only hope. He says "no, there is another", before Luke takes off before finishing his training. At this moment people thought he was talking about Leia, but we know now how she turned out. And both are definitely not talking about Darth Vader's redeemification either. So... It is my belief that Anakin was not "The Chosen One" but they were not too far off as Luke could still prove to be it. At the point we are at, never in the Star Wars cannon has balance of the Force been achieved. Luke is still around to achieve it, maybe Kylo, as also a Skywalker, has a role in fulfilling the prophecy. Or this "other" could be Rey.
hey the jedi had it wrong they forgot about the darkside to bring balance ankain had to turn tp the darkside and destroy at the end the darkside so the jedi can come out again now in the episode 7 darkside is rising and by 9 the jedi will come out again for balance in the force please reply
It's Anakin because he was the one that defeated Palpatine
The Chosen one doesn't need to be a JEDI! The whole notion of Destroying the Sith to bring balance to the force, is arrogant on the part of the Jedi. Makes it seem like balance depends only on Sith and Jedi philosophies, when there are many different groups and ways of the force. That arrogance is what made Anakin fall. Someone outside those groups especially, should be the true chosen one. Makes me consider Luke as the Last Jedi, in the next movie and maybe someone new, maybe Rey, but someone MORE connected on EVERY aspect of the force, the grey area in the middle?!
I agree
Mace Windu was the chosen one until Anakin cut his hand off......
did anyone watch episode 6??? Darth Vader destroyed himself and the emperor. is this not fulfilling the prophecy of destroying the sith???
and on top of that. it was said he would bring balance to the force. I assume as he began his reign as apprentice, he basically, killed all Jedi masters except two (yoda and obi-wan) two sith-two Jedi. balanced so it seems.
I think they both are and aren't. In Star Wars Rebels, Ezra says to Obi Wan that the Holocrons said that Obi Wan would defeat the Sith and from a "Perspective" he did because he trained both Anakin and Luke. However I think Rey is more promising as the chosen one. I mean after all if the Sith were infact destroyed then why does the sith Ideology still continue in Snoke and Kylo Ren? It's because the Sith weren't fully destroyed. Rey is already ahead of what Luke was at about the same age in reguard to force abilities even without training. Also she very well could be a Kenobi. Which means Obi Wan essentially trained Rey vicariously through Luke, because he also trained Luke. This is probably why the Holocrons told Ezra that Obi Wan would defeat the Sith.
whats up Thor?! How are you doing, brother?
Doing pretty good today, how about yourself?
Thor Skywalker Very well. I have a thought on Obi-Wan vs. Maul, and wondered if you thought this as well.
When Maul uttered the words "protecting someone" and Obi-Wan suddenly went from cool and calm to intensely focused and ready to kill, were you reminded of when Dooku said to Anakin on the Invisible Hand, "You have fear...you have anger...but you don't use them?" The moment Dooku uttered those words, he had written his own death certificate. Anakin snapped into some crazy intense (dark side?) focus and quickly and efficiently defeated Dooku.
With that said, do you think Obi-Wan tapped into the dark side in that one moment to quickly dispose of Maul, who upon uttering those words, presented the first real threat to Luke under Obi-Wan's watch...or atleast the first threat that stood a chance of getting through Obi-Wan to get to Luke.
Obi-Wan's obvious adaptation of Qui-Gon's style to bait Maul into the "lightsaber headbutt" move that Maul once used to stun and kill Qui-Gon was beyond clever...it was deceptive, cunning, (sith like?) and in using it, he knew his blow to Maul would be a killing one, as it would not just go through Mual's lightsaber, but through Maul himself.
Obi-Wan had already successfully cut through Maul's lightsaber once in their first fight, and given his many advantages, he likely could have simply disarmed Maul if he had wanted to.
Maul was starving, dehydrated, had been lost in the desert for so long he had started going batshit crazy screaming "KENOBI!!!" but also wondering if the desert itself would claim his life.
Obi-Wan had "home field advantage," and was cool, calm, and collected upon Maul's arrival...and he had even told Ezra that he had hoped to avoid a fight, despite all the suffering Maul had caused Obi-Wan...killing Qui-Gon, killing Satine.
Yet the moment Maul uttered those words "protecting someone," Obi-Wan's entire demeanor changed (nothing is accidental in CGI), and after posing in a Ewan McGregor-like stance ala Kenobi vs. Grevious, he adapted to...I mean he deliberately f*cking changed his stance to the exact stance Qui-Gon had right before Maul's moves that killed him on Naboo. Obi-Wan instinctively baited Maul into falling for a killing blow.
So, with all this in mind...after decades focused only on protecting Luke...do you think Obi-Wan, however briefly, used the dark side, or at the very least a clever and cunning Vapaad/Ataru (form 7/form 4) variant that used Maul's dark side thinking and emotions against him.
Immediately after defeating him, Obi-Wan reverted right back to a very empathetic, light side behavior of comforting Maul in his final moments (possibly the most powerful moment on Rebels to date by the way...beautifully done), so I'm not suggesting Obi-Wan fell to the dark side, merely that he used it, albeit briefly, to ensure defense of the bottom line...Luke.
I think this would be an excellent topic for your next (or future) video..."did Obi-Wan use the dark to kill Maul?" You can feel free to use any of what I have written above in support of such a video (you can credit me or not credit me with any role in the video...I'd just be happy to see it made and hear your thoughts after reading mine)...should you take up my request to create a video asking this question. I don't even think you would have to agree with me to pose the question and get some interesting dialogue going on in the comments on that topic.
What do you think?
Thor Skywalker Thor?
Sorry, just got home from work... will be replying to comments soon (must eat first though, lol)
Thor Skywalker Eating is always a good thing. I am excited to hear your thoughts on my earlier comment. Take your time....I know it was kind of a big one.
Up until the Mortis story arc I believed Luke to be the chosen one not Anakin. Pretty sure none of them remember going to Mortis so I can see how Obi-Wan would want to believe it's Luke. Hell it may be some foreshadowing for what's to come in the next two movies and maybe Luke achieves what Anakin couldn't.
Vader707's madness I think they do remember, at the end of the last Morris episode they're all on board their ship again and the clone commander says something like "we lost you for a minute on our scanners" and Anakin goes "we were gone a lot longer than that"...plus in a later season Yoda brings up Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan saying that maybe the vision of Qui-Gon on Morris was actually him, since Yoda now believes he's survived death and is contacting him. I've seen the clone wars a few too many times haven't I...
The Mortis story arc flat out tells us that Anakin was the Chosen One, that he could've taken the Father's place and kept balance between the brother and sister. And yes, I do think it's possible that it was foreshadowing, because I fully believe when this new trilogy ends the Force will be in balance... and it will stay that way for some time.
Mirialan Goddess I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere that that wasn't Qui-Gon on Mortis but I could be wrong. Nothing wrong with watching the shit out of the Clone Wars 😉
Thor Skywalker I've theorized that EP 9 could end on Mortis, Luke becoming the father, Rey the daughter, and Kylo the Son. I would be okay with that but the average movie goer would be lost so they probably won't go that route. But it would be cool.
I personally think that'd be pretty cool... but you are right that it'd likely be out of the understanding of the average movie goer unless done extremely well.
but what is, if Ray is the Chosen One?!
This whole comment section forgot the force awakens
I'm pretty sure Anakin is the Chosen One bc the Father from Mortis said he was and just because Anakin did terrible things does not mean there was no balance made from him diminishing the Jedi that were over powering the dark side.
He's more machine now than man. Whose fault is that? Obi Wan cut off Anakin's arm and legs and left him burning on the side of a volcano
he acctually deatryed the sith in a new hope or some