The Best 4-Cyl Engines Ever: Honda F20C
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It’s probably the red valve cover that makes all the power
Lmfao literally
Gotta be it
Nah it’s red because that’s the danger zone. Literally keep away while running
Toyota yaris gr holds the record POWER PER LITRE NOT HONDA
@@KLOKSLAG1911There was no Yaris GR when this engine was introduced.
At the time of introduction, this motor held the NATURALLY ASPIRATED record for production engines.
Honda will tell you it is an engine company that makes vehicles. They’ve made some awesome engines over the years.
yep, the K and B series have some fantastic options for a good combination of power and economy as well
@@yimpyoi9808 man i just got my hands on a built k20 that im about to put in an integra. i’ve always been a huge american muscle fan but getting into these, they’re seriously amazing machines
They make F1 engines till this day...
Red Bull used them to compete with Mercedes... (successfully) Still Red Bull uses Honda F1 engines and will till 2025.
What he doesn't go into depth with ( time in this short) is the INSANE ENGINEERING in the Heads, valve train, and bottom end in this SCREAMER...
The guy saying that HONDA claims to be an engineering company that makes motors that go into car bodies, is dead right....Honda since 2019 has suppl
@@user-ck1uy7ry9n
it's not even just car engines.
There are so many odd machines you'll find with the Honda branding on them, from lawn mowers to boat motors.
So they definitely have a huge scope in terms of engine design.
Except I ended up with...the massive L 15b7
I've heard the K-series compared to the Ferrari 458 also. Great motors.
@@joshuathomas4934 I know this.
F series has always been the best engine. I can tell you why
@@trackshun How come I see a lot of K-swapped S2000? And why isn't the F-series swapped in the 240SX a lot? Price? K-swapping a rear drive can be expensive for all the mounts, adapters and oil pan required.. So it's not done as much.
@@matthewsmith1909Most ppl swap K series motors into the S2K because it's newer and parts are more available vs the F20/22
@@matthewsmith1909 well, application is everything, however, the F series engine actually began in 1990 in the accords. The F series engine began as a SOHC non vtec engine. Starting in 94-2002, the accord had vtec, ulev vtec ETC. still sohc. Also in 94, was the first DOHC for the f series, nonvtec, worst f series block. Then in 97, the F20B DOHC VTEC engine came out, people says it’s a doengrade from H, but you can make more reliable power off a stoxk F20B than H22/H23, yet you eouldnt go too far with it being swapped in a heavier car like an accord compared to a civic, since it was a 2.0L and the accords carried 2.2 & 2.3L. Which brings us to the year 2000, with the s2000 being the first inline 4 all alluminum block. Soon after in 2001 in the civic si, we saw the k20a3, the first K engine. Crvs and what not had them too. Base civics had D series and eventually R.
Now after your history lesson of the F, let me explain why it is the best engine at least until the F had competition with the K20A true vtec engine (k20a, k20a2, k20z3).
My idea of “better” sticks to the heart of the Honda world. Obviously you wouldn’t swap a Sohc non vtec engine into a bmw or nany drift capable car, but in an Eg, you can beat an integra type r with a tune on that F series.
F series have always had so much torque. The most power you’ll see on any K series that is N/A is 222hp from the FD2 type r. Highest on an F20C/22C is like 20 or 30 horses more. So that alone tell you that the F series engine has better performance and capabilility CLEARLY. In the 90’s, the F series engine was the only engine with true Iron sleeves in a cast iron block. Honda did this so that the engine would literally last forever. Cooling and block strength has always been a key feature in an F series engine. Most H & B series engines are closed deck or semi closed. The F is open which means more cooling, and the walls are still strong because of the iron sleeve. The block on the F22’s and F23’s also had the girdle of a K series from 1990-2001 BEFORE the K came out. The heads flowed more than any B or H series. And to think, a base Honda Accord from 1990 has the capability of a performance engine that wasn’t available yet. Now given, the sohc throws it off, but having a sohc whether it be non vtec or not is literally all subjective unless of course you want a Honda engine in a nother car brand. The F & K series engines since the year 2000, are the same in reliability, period. There are always 3 main differences though. 1. The flow of the head 2. the pulley system & layout, the fact that the F is for rwd car so the engine mechanisms are generally a bit different compared to a fwd/awd and more suitable for the engine the car is for. 3. Engine measurements and details such as discplacement bore compression etc.
So, the F series throughout it’s history has been the most RELIABLE, EFFICIENT, STRONGEST. Best sounding too lol if I could rev my sohc f series to 9000 i’d be dreaming.
To answer your question about why the K series is swapped more, there’s a few simple answers. K series are ffaaaaarrrr more common than the s2k F series. K series is far less expensive to work on let alone buy parts for and build. You can buy a honda element block (k24a4) for FREE and a base 01-05 rsx/civic si head (k20a3) slap em together, upgrade your fuel system, and truly? Make about 300-400hp for reliable daily use. With a budget of honestly $1000 max including a turbo kit that can withstand that amount of power, and yk excluding what extra costs you need for the car its going into. Plus, why not swap a kseries in everything. The F20/22c is a diamond, the K series is Gold. In all aspects as well.
Side note: if you want the best supersport package type of build when it comes to hondas, I reccomend using the K20A EURO R engine or an s2000 F engine.if you’re building an older civic, swap an F20B in it if not what I just told u.
An Accord, do your best to put a v6 J series in there lol. Anyways
I rip mine to 9000rpm every day I drive it. Part of the reason I bought my S2000 is that I know I can drive it as hard as I want, and so long as I do the scheduled maintenance, it won't skip a beat.
I cannot say the same for the other sports cars I've owned.
Curious about the other cars you have. 🤔 .
@@Wilhuff_Tme too
What would you do. If you had the money and resources to upgrade Hondas 1.5L turbo engine?
@@Wilhuff_Tyou already know this guy owns an Altima and smokes crack before scrolling through UA-cam
bc motors that don't make shit for torque can't break anything,
My friend had one in college, it revved to the moon like a street bike and would hit 120 on the highway like nothing
Turbo it and build the internals
@@_Za_Unknownnaaaaah keep it NA and cam it
@@tobster786i bet it'll sound way better than a turbo set up
@@maxpayz2431 fr, big hp na Honda's sound insane, especially with itbs
120tq maybe
Only difference between Honda and Ferrari engine is that the Honda is cheaper simplier and doesn't blow up.
And that their engines actually have the power. Ferraris lie a lot about their power
poverty mindset
@@TLO7can't afford an s2k can you? 😂😂
@@florianmitze9232willing to bet my house it’s still more power than a honda lol
@@TLO7ignorant clown comment 😅🖕
It wasn’t just the redline. The F20C has a volumetric efficiency of roughly 108%. That means it makes POSITIVE DISPLACEMENT even as an NA engine. Honda’s cylinder head design is so fucking nuts it’s unbelievable. Greatest 4 cylinder manufacturer of all time
How?
@@MrFrambooise Through intake manifold and cylinder head port design, combined with valve timing, each intake stroke is able to draw in more air than is naturally able to inhabit the space without being forced in. Volumetric efficiency is a measurement of how well an engine is able to draw in air relative to its maximum displacement capacity. So a 4 cylinder 500cc engine operating at 100% VE will draw in 500cc’s of air over its full 4 intake strokes. Most modern (post 1990 ish) engines operate around 90-93% VE in stock form. Anything above 95% VE is considered very good, anything above 100% VE while being naturally aspirated is insane.
@@tylerroe5175 thanks man, I thought that maybe those engines are abit over hyped, but it looks like there is actually something into it. I myself own benz M111.957 2.0 engine and I was wondering how that compare with engines like F20C
Explains why it didnt take well to entry mods. some even lost power with mods
@@mrmedium7984 Exactly right. It’s also why porting Honda heads wasn’t a common practice for a long time because the port designs were so good to begin with
I love the sound of high revving NA engines.
Hmm
for na "high" revving is 7-8k. Ls1s are similar in getting power per liter at nearly half the rpm. In the big picture id say that's even more imimpressive
for na high revving hondas its 10,000 rpm
n/a, itbs, cams, exhaust. Best noises
@@davepalmer9265I guess, if you don't understand power curves in relation to rpm.
Honda engineers understood intake resonance/pulse tuning due to their motorcycle experience.
The torque curve was underwhelming, but it was so far ahead of it’s time, it’s timesless
Even down to the lower models like my fn type s 1.8 vtec. You can't put an intake on mine without messing with the stock frequencies, causing a flat spot unless you tune it out.
daddy doug said it best. Yes the car is low on torque. But it has enough power and is one of the best pure driving experiences you can get, especially for the price.
you seem to suggest that, somehow, _car_ engine designers do _not_ know enough about how exactly their engines breathe?
F1 engine has an underwhelming 206 ft lbs of torque but over 1000 HP.. if given the opportunity at no cost to have the engine, do you reject it on a torque basis?
On a more realistic basis, motorcycle powered track cars such as Legends or Thunder Roadster are the budget friendly track weapon vs an average vet.
@@Cerberus984Absolutely not rejected! Gale Banks still puts out great YT stuff. It really comes down to the application, but good to call out at anytime if I came off as bogus. 👍
the engine transmission combination in this car makes it a classic of the highest order. just so happens to also have a beautifully balanced chassis and timeless looks. love my AP1 😊
Me too lol
People need to remember, above all, Honda loves their engines.
Cars, bikes, boats and F1 cars. Its like a company of enthusiasts
And actually this engine mostly produces Only about 220 Hp, and Not 240 as they are lying.
What about their lawn mowers eh 😊
@@andrewdking even their lawnmowers hold up REALLY WELL.
my dad (r.i.p. 😢) had a honda powered one that i got to use as a slightly grown kid before i even managed to yank the cord.
i eared a few bucks for mowing the lawn. that sparked my love for petrol fumes and engines btw.
after my dad died serval years ago we sold the house and the mower plus some stuff like ladders and so on with it to the next owner.
last year we visited the owner and saw he is still rocking the same mower that i made my first bucks with like 24 years ago ! it still runs ! a bit rusty now but the engine is fine.
aint that quality engines !? 😎
@@casemodder89 I had a little mains electric Honda lawnmower because my lawn was too small for a proper ICE one. The BBC Gardeners World presenter back in the 1980s used to rave about their 10 bladed cylinder mower. It was for the perfect lawn, and its existence caught my attention, hence my mentioning lawnmowers.
I miss mine !! 😢😢😢
No matter what anyone says... that engine fit that body PERFECTLY.
The scalpel behavior of the S2000 was perfectly matched to the peaky NA engine.
You really have to drive one to understand what it is all about...
And when I say, "driving," I mean ALL the way to the 9k rev limiter.
When you KNOW by heart when "V-tec kicks in, yo !"... you can reliably predict when the rear starts to slip.
STORY time : I once switched rides for a quick drive with a friend who was the owner of a Citroen dealership. She handed me her barely broken in C4 Sport, which had a variable turbo in and some racey "stuff" from factory (special paint/stripes, seats, rims, spoiler, etc.). After switching, I cranked it to its maximum and found a little lacking in the top end and had to shift early... but it was relatively torquey, so I had some fun.
About 5 minutes later, we stopped at an emergency lane (back roads so not illegal) and she told me, "I... mmm well, your car is MUCH slower than mine"... to which I answered, "how far on the RPM gauge did you push it?" Her answer didn't surprise me : "I shifter mostly around 6,000 rpm"
I smirked and said, "ok, now... this is a Honda engine and you NEED to rev it. Don't worry, that's where they start to breathe. Go all the way to 9,000"
On the secons try, the drive was much longer. She didn't stop for anything... including the bakery she loved so much. Upon arrival to her home, she got out of the S2000, closing the door gently, and staying kind of... silent. She had finally discovered V-tec. 😉
A dealer near my house had a spoon s2000 hardtop that I somehow talked them into letting me take for a drive. I instantly fell deeply in love getting on the highway. It was unfortunately WAY out of my price range at the time but it instantly got a spot at the top of my want list.
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If that wasn't the corniest story I ever did read
@@nboccanfuso but you DID read it, so thanks for your time !! 🤣🤣🤣
@@KC16A6lol yep they read it!
My dad and I drove my F20C around with a real-time gas analyzer sampling the exhaust.
It turns out that the big torque boost that happens between 6500-9000 rpm corresponds not only to a different cam in the engine, but also a step change in the air:fuel ratio. The car is blowing 6% carbon monoxide out the back at 7000 rpm, which says they're running it really, really rich when they hit that HP peak.
Burning C gets you 394 kJ per mol of O2. Burning H2 gets you 572 kJ per mol of O2. So going rich of peak gets you more power per given amount of air going through the machine. It also drops the peak temp before ignition, which reduces the tendency to detonation and makes it possible to run higher compression and so get more of that heat energy into the crank.
I'm not sure how they managed this in a production engine, and still hit their ULEV emissions targets. There may have been some test engineering going on.
That also explains the black exhaust tips, and how I managed to melt the catalytic converter. Apparently too much time over 6500 rpm!
I loved the noise that thing made.
😮😮😮😮
I'm not sure if it still applies but they used to just do the certifications through 5000rpm. This is one of the reasons vtec kicked in at 5000rpm for some models, it was said. I believe many had vtec much lower but the 5000rpm figure for testing emissions I know was true
To make it more nervous on mine, I put a 7lbs fly wheel and 3" muffler from manifold to tip and 2 mufflers. Big change.
Every car out there goes full Rich under acceleration that's one of the ways you can test your oxygen sensors to see if they go to a full Rich value of 1 volt it's also the reasons why people melt down their catalytic converters it's not nothing special to go full rich on acceleration
ULEV emissions testing isn't gonna rev it out all the way, so they'd only ever see what the S2000 does while the engine is in its economy mode.
One of my best friends got a s2000 when he graduated high school and i loved that car. We took different paths, i built a 240sx with a sr20det black top ground up and he bought a slightly modified s2000. I secretly liked to drive his car on the road better than mine. Handled so well and the revs were crazy. My car was much faster but that car just felt like a complete unit.
I once had a Honda cr500. 492cc - .5 liter, 65 hp. Thing was no joke.
brother, the CR has a 2T engine and for a two stroke, 65 hp is a _joke_ . For comparison, the cb500, a four-stroke, makes 57 hp. A two-stroke 500 cc can output, like, 180 hp.
Cr 500 have pretty low horsepower because single big cylinder if you had a 4 cylinder 500 2t be more like 160+hp its like putting 4 ktm 125cc together that's why you make more horsepower out of multi-cylinder engines you just lose torque and Gain rev but no good for dirt bike
It's a damn good engine before I got t-boned and totalled my 92Honda I had 560,000 on it and still running like a champ
If you watch F1 racing you will realize that Honda is actually the best engines and if they truly wanted to they can build the best super cars
Motorcycle engines: "Am I a joke to you?"
yeah lol todays bikes pushing 200hp/liter + and even hondas own firablade had 130hp in a 0,9L in 1999 which if my calculations are correct is 143hp/L
Motorcycle engines are amazing,my gsxr1000 makes a lot more hp per liter only thing is the honda motor he is talking about makes at least twice the torque. I know it's a larger displacement but just saying it's an impressive motor.
@@johnsteinmetz4000 makes sense though. Torque is primarily a function of displacement.
Honda does make motorcycle, just so you know~
The points that many people miss are that most auto makers can design 120hp/liter engines, but very few can mass produce them AND make them very reliable as Honda did.
This is why I ignore those Honda haters like they dont exist. They dont know a damn thing. Great clip!
i don't think you know as much as you think as 120hp/L is not impressive considering Honda already had a 143hp per liter 4banger out there att the same time
@rampage3337 Haha, dont embarrass yourself. That was later. No need to show off for attention clown🤡🥸
@@rampage3337cant imagine paying 40 grand for a more expensive miata smh.
I just wished honda would make a v8
Take two F20C and combine them into a V configuration.
@@destruxandexploze2552 you sir are a fucking GENIUS!
@@destruxandexploze2552great idea that 😎
Honda has made i5, V8 and v10, and I think a v12. But they are race engines. Not the i5. But the V8 was widely used in Indy racing. Find a used Indy engine. You can do what that other person said. I don't know what would be cheaper a used Indy engine or have a engine builder put 2 f20c or f22.
@@dallassmith9617 allen millyard could combine 2 f20’s the guys a wizard when it comes to stuff like that, think the whole point of this conversation is having a unique engine in this case a v8 f20, bet it would sound nuts
With the s2k and the k20 to an extent as well which I proudly own was Honda basically saying “look what I can do”
yeah but they already had engines that where more powerfull. you are forgeting that bikes exist and that their honda fireblade in 1999 already had 130hp from a 0,9L.
It is impressive for power per displacement, but the most impressive part is that it does it reliably and for many miles!
Who doesn't love Honda..😎
Iron Duke be like.... hold my piston.
Bwahahaha!
my little brother is a master working with those Honda engines always putting big turbos on them
They make a great 6 cylinder too. GM licensed them with a transmission for their Saturn Vue back in the day. Revved like crazy and had great pep.
Just having a high rev limit doesn't help an engine make power, being able to fill the cylinders effectively at that high RPM is how you make big power.
IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!🧐🧐🧐🧐
Maybe im just getting old and havent been in the tuner scene for a while.....but the H22 and H23 are my fave Honda motors still.
Definitely getting old. K series rules the world but F series (f20 to f23) just sound the best in my opinion
@pezimore especially with the downpipe only 😁 no one can believe how load it can get, great looks.
Modern 13B rotary engines have more HP per liter naturally aspirated.
Yeah but they also suck and nobody cares.
@@matan6737yes they suck air and a lot of people care. Don't be insufferable.
@@RedLine_Renesis They dont make more hp per liter. Go huff premix.
@@matan6737 Careful with that edge. Idk why you hating if it doesn't even bother you. Really sad life bro
@@matan6737 Clearly enough people care as rotary aftermarket is quite extensive.
I remember someone swapped one of these into a Lotus Elise and it was insane
Yes, an ex friend has one. Stunning performance.
There is nothing better than a honda motor, nothing.
Nah yaris gr engine much much better
there is allot of things better than a honda motor.... this whole 120hp per liter thing is not impressive. as it was not even hondas highest hp/liter engine when it came out. it achives that high hp figure with a high red line which means it sacrifices torque.
Love my AP1, currently doings its wheel bearings and brakes. I want to drive it so bad lol
So many folks overlook Honda's engine's. I have owned Honda's for over 25 years. Not one has ever died or given me any issues. I currently have a K20C engine (2.0t) in my 10th gen Accord. I can tell you it has been a dream to drive, smooth and torque as all get out.
Now its the ZO6 5.5L.
Nope, 458 still beats it.
458 -> 124 hp/lt
Z06 -> 121 hp/lt
And the hp/lt in the 458 speciale is even higher
@@stefanomarchi3542 I'm talking mass production.
@stefanomarchi3542 If you want to go low production you're wrong. Aston Martin Valkyrie: 1160 Horsepower 6.5 NA
178.8 hp per L
Although i do you believe there's electric motors incorporated in the transmission. I think its a 160hp electric motor
@@stefanomarchi3542 jdm f20c higher comp and 9125rpm fuel cut does 125hp/L..
Imagine if Honda made a V-Tech In-line six cylinder 😮
🤯
V-tech 🤦😅😅
@@citizen6448what’s better?
Honda needs to make a v8
@@shkkrimp7344It's the BF350 for boats.
F22? No wonder it’s a beast!
Shoulda never sold my 2000. I loved that thing.
I want that in a V 8.
U can. Chevy makes a flat plane crank (same as Ferrari) but in a 5.5L V8 for the Z06 Corvette. It puts out more hp per liter than the s2000 120hp vs 122hp. The naturally aspirated Z06 Corvette 5.5L puts out 670hp and a whopping 460 lbs of torque. The Honda s2000 puts out 162 lbs of torque. The redline of that Z06 V8 is 8,600. But on the race track they spin them up to 9,000.
@todd5082 u kind of missed the forced induction part. That doesn't count. But as I said before Hp per litre doesn't matter. Hp per dollar and Hp per Lb are what matter. That's coming from a honda guy
Get a Ferrari 430 engine. :)
Crazy how car engines don't come close to motorcycle engines. The naturally aspirated Ducati V4R (production engine) makes 215 hp from its 1 litre capacity
Well in fairness, a car weighs a lot more so they need to design and tune the engine to produce an exceptable amount of low-end torque. It is also harder to engineer your way through making a high revving engine that's double the size, larger reciprocating mass and all.
@@Blakezilla594the real reason is the emissions regulations on motorcycles are more lenient, which is why Honda stopped making the F20C. It couldn't pass tightening emissions requirements, which is why most engines today are turbo direct injected.
the superleggera v4 makes 234hp/L
@@rampage33372023 ducati V4R makes 240.5hp from a 999cc
the rotary engine in the Mazda RX8, the results showed a remarkable 178 hp of performance per liter
F20 and F22C's were awesome. There was a guy on Instagram that took 2, F20's or 2 F22's and put them together to make a V8. He did all the work himself. Wish I could remember the page. It was a little over a year ago.
Now I know why my old accord was so fast!! WOWWWWWW!! F22B1
I think the Renesis makes like 178/L
I'm glad someone else remembered the renesis.
But that's a rotary, a 2-stroke engine Unrestrained by momentum and internal forces generated by the pistons, connecting rod & valvetrain.
@@idrinkfirewaterbut it's a 4 stroke. Each face of the rotor has to go through intake, compression, combustion, and exhaust. It's more similar to a 4 stroke than a two stroke. It just does it quicker.
Came here myself to say this lol
Still less than a liter bike
Yeah in a car.. yet a Yamaha R6 from 1999 produced 98.9hp from 600cc. Thats 164hp per litre.
And later variants made more..
Yessir. An R1 does 180 per liter
An '09 R6 model has a claimed 127.3hp. According to Wikipedia.
Thats 212.7hp per litre.
Comparing moto engines to cars? You seem to not understand something guys.
@@acrazedtanker1550 just hp per litre brother
Nope toyota yaris gr wins this record 😉
Honda makes f1 engines too so not very suprising.. just very awesome
But there’re huge differences between Formula 1 engines and „normal“ engines for road car.
That's pretty amazing, and no doubt the best 4 pot of it's day. My E36 M3 was absolutely amazing back in the day too, with 321HP for a 3.2 litre engine with a red line of only 7200RPM. That is still my favourite 6 pot engine ever made in my opinion.
nobody talks about the sr16ve n1 from the pulsar vzr THAT HELD THE TITLE MOST POWERFUL PER LITRE N/A which was a 1.6L ENGINE until the s2000 came along……..
In '68 my mentor Ted Haywood built a 289 pushing 504hp at 9000 rpm, and raced it all season on the NASCAR circuit. Daytona Black flagged him. They thought 427SCJ. Nope.
So they blacked flagged him mid race because they thought he had an illegal engine in the car?
People underestimate 289 Ford motors, sure they're really just a destroked 302 with less bore , but they can make really decent power when built properly. The Shelbys back in the 60s that used the 289 made 306 HP from the factory. I'd like to build one with forged internals and put it under boost from a single turbo. I had hypo 289 in a 66 mustang with the C4 cruiseomatic lol. The rear gears needed to be lower but it managed 135 mph on the highway without strain. The amount of rust that blew off the rear quarters during that high speed "test" was ridiculous, I miss tht ole pony
@@jdubskiwright2380I built a 302 in a Maine garage in winter to drive it to LA and San D a year later. Fast 70 Mustang with 10/33 LTs on it. Drove from LA to San Diego in one hour. All those dots on I5 turned to solid white lines. I miss that 'Stang too.
@bryanst.martin7134 so your the reason they run speed traps by plane in that area ..
I love 289's! That 4 inch bore with the 2.87 stroke is a rpm monster!
The main things allowing it to make that kind of power was its titanium connecting rods, which is unheard of in a street car. But theyre very strong and lightweight, which helps it revs so high. The compression ratio was around 11.7 to 1, which is high for a production car. The head also flows really well, which mskes s huge difference especially at high rpms. And lastely the vtec. Which allowed it to have a cam that idles well, and will pass emissions.. but also having a high lift cam which will keep naking power all the way up to the redline.
Vtec cams are actually very underrated
Maybe out of a piston emgine, but yhe renesis made about 230 from 1.3L
Debatable
Looking at how the "strokes" work in a rotary engine, one might debate that you actually have to count 2 sides of the rotor as the displacement. That would make it a 2,6L engine. A different stand point is that it would actually be a 2-stroke, because it has a burning event for every time the rotor spins around. Lots of food for debate here
Not production
@@lasjcrewRenesis is most certainly a production motor 😂
Ok but you didn’t look into the comparison between a rotary’s liter amount and a piston liter amount. It’s like 3 or 4 to 1 on piston engines in size
Best 4cyl car i ever drove. I miss it everyday.
Weirdly enough this makes me feel better about my 3.0L v6 that makes 240 hp
The mazda rx8 with the 1.3 13b made 232 hp NA so it would be roughly 178 hp per liter
Rotaries dont count. And its not really a 1.3L
Never forget this motor had the record for most power per liter until the rarri 458
I have a 2.0 four cylinder v tec in my 2006 Elantra, and I got it to 130 mph. That was insane
I worked on and drove this Honda. At first I was disappointed because it seemed to lack the advertised power. I did discover that the power really does not come on until much higher rpms so then I realized it is pretty much a high rev engine.
240 hp but still slower than a 3800 grandma v6 with 200 hp. *Edit* Still great engines and I'd rather own an s2000 vs any 3800 car other than a turbo GN
It ain't
Torque wins races, horsepower sells cars.
@@SlowSTEN if torque is so important then Milwaukee swap your car with an impact driver and tell me how fast it goes. It's got like 900ftlb it should be a rocket ship!
Road & Track ran a 14.1 second 1/4 mile with the S2000 when it debuted, which was the same 1/4 mile time as the Mustang Cobra.
The 200 hp Grand Prix GT ran a 15.7 in the 1/4 mile.
The supercharged, 260 hp Grand Prix GTP ran a 15.0 in the 1/4 mile.
Heck, the supercharged 5.3 Pontiac GXP wasn't even as quick as the S2000.
@@PistonAvatarGuy Makes sense since it makes it's power in the upper range. I only ever did in town street races so 1/8 mile or less and the torque output from the 3800 left them behind every time. If we had longer roads I'm sure they'd have reeled me in.
I have a 1.0 ecoboost that makes 125 hp. Ford beat Honda and Ferrari! Lol.
How's your head gasket😂
What part of naturally aspirated dont you understand. Otherwise Mercedes would have 235hp/liter.
@@RohanSanjithThey should make a nontool hinged system so you can replace the gasket without tools.😂 EcoBoost 1.0 is absolute a shit engine.
How cute... If you can break the rule of none-turbo, I would like to present mine, 0.8 liter @ 140hp 3cylinder none turbo revving to 13k. However it's in a motorcycle.
So it doesn't count, neither does any shitty ecoboost.🙄
Only until your transmission and head gasket go. Regardless, you have forced induction.
When the tec kicks in and you get the gears rowin
I never realized until I thought about my old Honda accord with the f23 motor making barely 150hp. And that’s the total hop for a 2.3 liter
Wow we knew this in like 2014 but good job just discovering Honda specs because it’s now popular
I own one of Honda’s cbr600rr, a 4 cylinder sport motorcycle and its the most beautiful machine ever. the sounds at +12k rpms 🖤
I miss my S2000. I drove that car like I stole it and I felt like it just laughed at me.
The motor in the S 2000 has one of the most incredible exhaust. Sounds when VTEC kicks in.
They got it to make so much power by building it to rev extremely high
my dads younger bro is no engine scientist, but he says the Honda grass cutter is music on ears, and doesnt make his fingers numb, unlike the other options available.
I love my k24a in my 8th gen civic si. At 8,000rpm an few bolt-ons with a tune makes 250hp. With the low gear ratio 6speed it's a blast on the back roads.
i was debating swapping my k20a3 with either a 24a2 or 20a2 for my 7th gen si. might go with 20a2 for higher rpm limit but hard decision
@@huskkyy2872 the k24a2 or jdm k24a are were its at for na. If your gonna boost the car then k20. But for just daily driven with no turbo I'd definitely say go k24a 100%. The added torque down low put you in the seat and pulls way harder then a k20 with bolt ons. And if u do the k20 oil pump kits that's available for the k24, it will spin 9,000rpm of higher if u get springs an cams. I run my k24a to 8k without the k20 oil pump upgrade with no problems. And I don't miss reving higher at all. Smack the next gear and it pulls really hard. Ask around an most will agree with me if they have had both a k20 an k24.
@@huskkyy2872 The K24A2 TSX engine should be a *lot* cheaper than the RSX Type S, so you may as well go for that. I prefer the 2.0L myself as it is more revvy and its characteristics feel more Honda-ish as you can wind it out more, but the 2.4 certainly feels (and is) faster in lower rpms.
Yeah. I have it. Many who had this car didn't know how to drive it. I raced a ls1 corvette and beat it on the 0-60 mph race. I'm stock too...
Honda makes some very good engines . haters gonna hate .
I love to see this engine in the prelude hybrid, or any hybrid for that matter.
BluePrint Engines is going to release a Iron 4 cylinder 3.4 liter using a single LS3 head, or Ford Windsor head. The LS3 configurations is good for 340hp/500ftlbs N/A. Light turbocharging will easily make 475hp.
The record holder was actually the JDM F20C, higher comp and 9125rpm fuel cut. 125hp/L.
I had one. Problem is the bores go out of round after a track season or two and parts are expensive and balance/tolerances are very tight due to RPM. For me, LS any day. F20C is great but not if you want to beat on it hard.
I had a 1995 Honda Accord Coupe EX with a VTEC engine. Everyone said that was a good engine, but I had no idea... That was my first car, got it in 1997
Mx bikes are top shelf too. Quality is hard to beat.
Honda has always been some of the best engine , well engineers ever.
Got my own S2000 in the garage 😊
I had 2 S2k´s and the engine is just a marvel of engineering.
The 2016 4 cylinder turbo direct injected motor feels like two cylinders fire at the same time . It out runs a lot of cars .
The Honda S2000 had the heart of a hummingbird.
F20C head is still the highest flowing factory head that I've seen out of Honda, although a ported F20C head and K series are essentially equivalent, and the i-VTEC and engine availability make the K series the ultimate win still imo. There was a time a decade ago when F20Cs were all around for $500 an engine.
B series, k series , H series or F series all honda engines are legendary in thier own way honda was really dedicated when building these engines
The 2023 Honda/RBPT Engine out performs the Ferarri in F1 today!
The b18c in my jdm itr was 200bhp 1.8 legendary motor
Oversquare I4s my beloved
And its very reliable! Mine is at 200k and never gave me any issues ...my Ap1 is still fun to drive! "Vtec just kicked in yo!"
I never liked the F22 nearly as much as the F20 due to lower rev limit. I did love the K20Z3 in my Si. For a cheap little economy car that thing made a nice noise and revved so high compared to its rivals like the GTI, Focus SVT, etc. and it was bulletproof.
Honda has built some great engines. One of my favourites is the cbx 1000 engine, inline 6 that sounds like a F1 engine at full rpm. Lots of videos on here with them.
If you owned one long enough, you know that the F20/F22 is eventually going to have thrust bearing issues which will cause crank walls, or piston slap due to the Fiber Reinforces cylinder walls ovaling. Then comes the issue when you want to build the bottom end, you cannot hone fiber Reinforced Metal Sleeves so you will have to sleeve the block with steel cylinder inserts. If you have a machine shop you trust, which there aren’t many, rebuild the engine, if you don’t, swap the F for a K24a. Draw back of the F series is that it was only made for the s2000 so parts are dime a dozen and the aftermarket support is no where near as plentiful as the K. With that being said, go K, that’s the route that I choose. Hope this gives current and future s2k owners some insight.
I love this engine❤
I have a B20 series 2.0l 99 honda crv 146hp stock is a awsome motor
the rotary engine in the Mazda RX8, the results showed a remarkable 178 hp of performance per liter
If my 1979 trans am 6.6L had 120hp/L that's hellcat territory. Instead its got a wopping 185hp with 2.41 gears in the rear diff with a TH350 (3 speed no over drive) technology is a beautiful thing... sometimes
HP per weight is the only metric that matters. Hp per liter is a marketing stat.
Surprised they stopped producing this engine. They should have kept going and put in the si civics . I would have bought one hands down.
I like how excited yall get over a 240hp engine. Its cute
I believe it’s the feat of engineering that they’re impressed by. I tend to agree with them as a ford guy. It is a good engine.
you should see the GR corolla. it has 185hp per liter. its absolutely unbelievable
50k for that car is insane.
Ive seen a stock motor f20 make 675hp at the shop with a 10k redline. Lasted about 6mnths b4 a piston ring broke. The f20 and k20/4 are strong little engines
First two [red & silver] S2000 9,000 RPM in 2000 and purchased a 3rd [yellow] S2000 8,500 RPM in 2005. Wish I keep them now.