Which Series Is Bigger: The Ashes or Border-Gavaskar? Battle of Cricket's Giants👀| Kimber & Dasgupta

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  • @AdamVoges-ei1ek
    @AdamVoges-ei1ek 2 місяці тому +933

    Why nobody discussing about Pakistan Zimbabwe rivalry
    Edit : how about organising a Masakadza-Azam Trophy 🏆🏆

    • @peeyushanand2137
      @peeyushanand2137 2 місяці тому +133

      That's beyond our analytical ability and proximity.....😂

    • @AdamVoges-ei1ek
      @AdamVoges-ei1ek 2 місяці тому +94

      @@peeyushanand2137 bro don't forget that Pakistan toured Zimbabwe to play two test matches with full strength team , with babar shaheen and all main guy . This shows theirs commitment towards greatest rivalry of this generation

    • @deepop-n4p
      @deepop-n4p 2 місяці тому +21

      ​@@AdamVoges-ei1ek Very insightful
      Thanks for reminding .

    • @Visha054
      @Visha054 2 місяці тому +6

      😂😂

    • @imbatman999
      @imbatman999 2 місяці тому +4

      Lol😂😂

  • @AR-qt8fs
    @AR-qt8fs 2 місяці тому +103

    Simple.
    In terms of history- Ashes
    In terms of competition- BGT

  • @vishalk2495
    @vishalk2495 2 місяці тому +337

    Kids watch Ashes and BGT
    Legends know real rivalry is Pakistan Vs Zimbabwe ❤

    • @AmitKumar-nq7wk
      @AmitKumar-nq7wk 2 місяці тому +7

      Old and lame joke

    • @nitlover8319
      @nitlover8319 2 місяці тому +24

      ​@@AmitKumar-nq7wk
      Yeah new one is Pak vs USA

    • @Anuragg134
      @Anuragg134 Місяць тому

      😭😭😂😂​@@nitlover8319

    • @DavidJaat-cy7dg
      @DavidJaat-cy7dg Місяць тому +7

      ​@@nitlover8319please dont insult usa & Zimbabe 😶

    • @kicha6213
      @kicha6213 Місяць тому

      Yes the real rivals

  • @RedWeather2004
    @RedWeather2004 2 місяці тому +237

    Ashes have only been good in England because its one-sided in Australia
    Australia nearly pulled off miracles in India like the 2017 series and had close battles with them at home which they eventually lost twice. I feel if anyone's picking Ashes (right now, currently) are just living off nostalgia

    • @James-st9uu
      @James-st9uu 2 місяці тому +4

      I enjoyed 2010-11 and watching cook bat for days

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 2 місяці тому +4

      @@James-st9uu Weird series: England win 1-3 in Australia...and England won all three matches by an innings!!!

    • @RedWeather2004
      @RedWeather2004 2 місяці тому +8

      True that was the only highlight they'd take down under. But the ones after that we lost 5-0, 4-0, 4-0 and 5-0 in 2006-07. And when Australia go to England they win atleast 2 tests a series minimum.

    • @dansharp2860
      @dansharp2860 2 місяці тому

      Yeah but that's a whole lot of nostalgia to live off.

    • @king_has_no_clothskul8635
      @king_has_no_clothskul8635 2 місяці тому

      that first time they beat they beat they dominated: last match follow on and rain saved them but it was a defeat. india had a chance in 1985 which rained out. 2003 ganguly did not declare early. 2007/2008 india dominated but sydney loss cost them dear, kapil 2-2 had them on the mat. so they have had their chances.

  • @traumaticroids7929
    @traumaticroids7929 2 місяці тому +358

    As a aussie beating india in test feels so much more important at this present moment.

    • @snehalkhatri9357
      @snehalkhatri9357 2 місяці тому +27

      Same, Beating Aus in Aus is like WC

    • @GoluKr-hn3lb
      @GoluKr-hn3lb 2 місяці тому +6

      Same 😊 for us

    • @imbatman999
      @imbatman999 2 місяці тому +11

      With you mate 😂😂 it must have been embarrassing to loose back to back home series against Ind. Let's hope we'll get a good series this summer as well, and BTW we'll wil again😛😛

    • @dansharp2860
      @dansharp2860 2 місяці тому +2

      I'll be happy if we can beat them here. In India would be very nice.

    • @shardulkedar6689
      @shardulkedar6689 2 місяці тому +2

      Yeah even for us defeating Australia in Australia is like the best thing to happen in test cricket!!

  • @mcdelive
    @mcdelive Місяць тому +55

    Ashes is Bigger, Border-Gavaskar is Better 😉

  • @tommasoali7617
    @tommasoali7617 2 місяці тому +273

    The Ashes are obviously bigger, BGT is obviously the better cricket series in terms of quality of the game itself

    • @parthratnu2953
      @parthratnu2953 2 місяці тому +12

      Yeah when England last won the ashes ?

    • @tommasoali7617
      @tommasoali7617 2 місяці тому +11

      @@parthratnu2953 doesn't change the fact that Aussies v Poms will always be bigger

    • @prakashmahtani6345
      @prakashmahtani6345 2 місяці тому +1

      Couldn't have put it better. I don't get this argument, it will change every decade or two. Just glad I have seen India do what they have done in my life time.
      Something I did not expect when I was in my teens.

    • @Sid-e5y
      @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +2

      Obviously you guys lose to india all the time,it isn't a rivalry

    • @ankitra3667
      @ankitra3667 2 місяці тому +4

      Sir , what factors you have considered when said ashes is bigger than BGT?

  • @L.I.T.H.I.U.M
    @L.I.T.H.I.U.M 2 місяці тому +32

    The same way India vs. Pakistan is bigger than India vs. England even though beating England is harder. It's about what people care more about, not who's harder to beat. I would guess both English and Australians would care more about beating each other than beating India. Really depends on how you define "bigger".

  • @livercoolutd
    @livercoolutd 2 місяці тому +97

    The reason why Border Gavaskar Trophy is the biggest rivalry in cricket right now is that it is a closely fought contest whether held in India or Australia. The Ashes in England is really great to watch, but it becomes a one-sided series in Australia with the Aussies thrashing England there. That doesn't happen with the Border-Gavaskar Trophy.

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому +1

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому +2

      Wrong, The Ashes is considered by both Australians and English as their biggest cricket event, even people who barely watch cricket in these 2 countries still follow the Ashes because its that big for them playing vs their biggest rival. Not the BGT. Also the person you were replying to is an Aussie.

    • @dhananjaybhagat8738
      @dhananjaybhagat8738 Місяць тому +2

      @@yadhaider807 Maybe bigger just because of marketing and nostalgia. 'At present' ask any cricket expert and neutral people about the quality of cricket being played in Ashes vs BGT. BGT certainly provides more quality cricket than the Ashes. Let's celebrate the quality of cricket no matter who plays it. It will be good for the cricketing world. Not any average cricket in Ashes in Australia and England is to blame here. The same reason why people are getting disinterested in Ind vs Pak matches especially in India because Pakistan has stopped playing good cricket. It doesn't feel like India were tested to a great extent to beat Pakistan. But the case is different with Australia though.

    • @NmD-no3vo
      @NmD-no3vo Місяць тому +2

      ​@@rahulsinha623 Gavaskar is Tendulkar 's Hero.
      Also Border is not from Tendulkar era but Gavaskar thus the name. If new series are made then it could be Tendulkar-pointing series...

    • @YS27122
      @YS27122 Місяць тому

      @@yadhaider807u are a pakistani, thats why u would never agree to the reality that the best rivalry in modern day cricket is IND vs AUS.

  • @Sanatan_Vaidik_Aary_Hindu
    @Sanatan_Vaidik_Aary_Hindu 2 місяці тому +64

    Once ashes has the quality but never been the best After 2000
    In BGT you can't say who is gonna win series wherever they are playing home or away but Ashes is one sided in Australia and Draw in England.
    So clearly BGT now is a rivalry like you see Barca vs Real Madrid it has that kind of value but now ashes is just overhyped😊😊😊

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

    • @KICK839
      @KICK839 2 місяці тому +2

      Away ,india eating them tho

    • @mohammadmirza84
      @mohammadmirza84 2 місяці тому

      @@rahulsinha623 yeah ur a complete weirdo

    • @Jfjfjjf234
      @Jfjfjjf234 Місяць тому

      Barca and real Madrid>>>>>>>> entire cricket career. Chapri Indians comparing football to cricket.
      Ronaldo and messi is famous than entire cricket game 😂😂

    • @Jfjfjjf234
      @Jfjfjjf234 Місяць тому

      ​@@KICK839indias father Travis head ate whole vadapav in finals 😂😂

  • @VijayPadala-w2z
    @VijayPadala-w2z Місяць тому +26

    No cricketing legend can describe the rivalry between Zimbabwe and Pakistan.
    Great respect to these two cricketing giants.

    • @KABIRA-v9g
      @KABIRA-v9g Місяць тому

      Well Absolutely nobody can forget about
      Great powers

  • @aanchitgovind581
    @aanchitgovind581 2 місяці тому +37

    Why not have someone like Ravi Shastri or Harsha here? There would be no beating around the bush, they would tell the truth: Ashes is history, Border Gavaskar is the biggest rivalry and bigger currently because England is not a great competitor, never really was in all honesty, but India has come up now as a proper rival to Australia and that makes it much more exciting, hence bigger.

    • @Ricky-ce2is
      @Ricky-ce2is Місяць тому +1

      It's not about competitiveness or rivalry. It's bigger only for Indians as India won last few series. Most Australians or Brits don't care if India win either. Both aus and eng pretty much use every test series as a warm up for Ashes selection. It's more like a cultural event b/w these two countries for over a century which is equivalent to WC for both. India doesn't even matter here. Not sure why Indians are so desperate to get compared.

  • @KumarRaj414
    @KumarRaj414 2 місяці тому +37

    Nobody talking about Pakistan vs Zimbabwe, Nepal ,Usa rivalry

    • @akhanduyitr369
      @akhanduyitr369 2 місяці тому +2

      Pak vs ire also 😇

    • @suroshalam
      @suroshalam 2 місяці тому

      Why are my Indian friends always so derogatory towards their neighbour? Wouldn’t it be better to take the high road and be nice all around ?

    • @KumarRaj414
      @KumarRaj414 2 місяці тому +1

      @@suroshalam lele Mera wala pta chal jayega

    • @TheWayOfLifeE
      @TheWayOfLifeE Місяць тому

      ​@@suroshalam kid go to pak then , pak is our black sheep son now not neighbor 😅

  • @helopapajee
    @helopapajee Місяць тому +5

    Rivalries have changed in last 2 decades. In a world where England and Australia were a fierce competitor in tests, another world had India and Pakistan rivalry which was more important as a cricket fan. Now that India can compete the greatest of the tests, India and Australia have become biggest competitors.

  • @Sid-e5y
    @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +9

    India and Australia have been the cricketing superpowers since the 2000s,they have the best record bilateraly and in major tournaments since than,that's why the cricket World is excited about this series and there's so much hype

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

    • @Jfjfjjf234
      @Jfjfjjf234 Місяць тому

      LockdownIndian kids comparing themselves with Australian legends is the biggest joke 😂😂.
      Australia has more trophies than all other cricket countries'.
      Australia super power no 1 and then other chapri cricket countries.😂

  • @maybepriyansh9193
    @maybepriyansh9193 Місяць тому +2

    This is probably on of the only places left where we get some real cricket analysis and narratives being discussed.

  • @nikunjdixit1175
    @nikunjdixit1175 2 місяці тому +22

    BGT has been more consistently competitive since the turn of the century. The Ashes has more history and prestige and England and Aus is a lot more personal. Its the same thing with Ind and Pak. Ind beating Pak is a lot more personal than Aus. I suspect if you ask the casual Indian fan as to whom they would prefer to beat, Pak or Aus in a crunch situation, most people will say Pak. I will say that apart from the 2011-12 series, almost all series since the 03-04 series in Aus have been competitive.

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому +1

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

  • @akshaymate954
    @akshaymate954 Місяць тому +2

    Based on history : Ashes
    Based on current hype and rivalry : Border Gavaskar

  • @VIJAY4211
    @VIJAY4211 2 місяці тому +9

    BGT has been the biggest fixture in world cricket in 21st century. Whenever these two teams clash, one of them has always been ranked no 1... also, the two most successful teams at ICC events.. Ask any broadcaster in India or Australia, which clash makes the highest revenue, there's only 1 answer...Steve Waugh called India the final frontier... Steve Smith said way back in 2017 that his biggest cricketing dream is to win a Test series in India. This coming from someone who hasnt won an Ashes in England till date... Cummins has said that a Test series win in India will be "era defining"... Virat and Rohit have already said that they enjoy playing Australia more than any other team... whoever does well in these contests, usually end up having a 10-15 year career... This years BGT will be one of the most highly anticipated Test series of all time... Australia will be aiming to win their first BGT in a decade, India will be looking to avenge the two final defeats of last year.. Both teams will be itching to get their hands on each other already... From what I last heard, the MCG Boxing Day Test tickets of Day 1 have already been sold.. This is cricket's El Clasico..

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому +1

      Ashes is bigger

    • @tarunreddy2031
      @tarunreddy2031 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@yadhaider807 why are you crying mate? India vs aus is the best in terms of quality. Eng vs aus is best in terms of popularity and history

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому +1

      @@tarunreddy2031 how am I crying when you said the exact same thing as me that the Ashes is bigger

    • @tarunreddy2031
      @tarunreddy2031 2 місяці тому

      @@yadhaider807 with a context dude. The BGT has better quality than the ashes. Both in india and in aus. England is useless in aus conditions

    • @redeyexxx1841
      @redeyexxx1841 Місяць тому

      ​@@tarunreddy2031Because Australia and England look at Ashes as their biggest cricketing event besides the World Cup.
      BGT generates more revenue purely because of Indian audience. Hardly anyone in australia cares about it

  • @wesleymaistry6278
    @wesleymaistry6278 2 місяці тому +41

    If BGT was bigger than the Ashes then that would reflect in the attendance figures for the actual matches being played. No test series comes close to the fan attendance that the Ashes generates, then when you add the history and tradition it's a no brainer.

    • @_A.t.g
      @_A.t.g 2 місяці тому +5

      Hmm. That seems like a one sided Australian pov.

    • @wesleymaistry6278
      @wesleymaistry6278 2 місяці тому +7

      @_A.t.g Your reply doesn't make sense

    • @janga75
      @janga75 2 місяці тому

      What are the viewing numbers tho

    • @naturemeditation3751
      @naturemeditation3751 2 місяці тому +1

      @@wesleymaistry6278 combined viewership digital + grounds BGT numbers are huge relative to Ashes games but i would say majority of those numbers would be skewed towards indian audiences

    • @HakunaMatata001-well
      @HakunaMatata001-well Місяць тому +4

      ​@@wesleymaistry6278 Nah... It's just that kangaroos can't win against India... India is THE team to beat NOW...

  • @Sid-e5y
    @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +7

    A lot of india dominating in aus is also conditions,there's not much lateral movement which helps the Indian batsman,and historically indi have had the flattest pitches for fast bowlers this Australian wickets seem like a paradise

    • @Adisonhvc
      @Adisonhvc 2 місяці тому

      You guys have lost four times in a row ,stay humble my guy​@@MrCarrera28

    • @abhinandan1441
      @abhinandan1441 2 місяці тому +3

      ​Racial vilification? 😂​@@MrCarrera28 what are you talking about?

    • @MrCarrera28
      @MrCarrera28 2 місяці тому

      @@abhinandan1441 Monkeygate.

    • @MrCarrera28
      @MrCarrera28 2 місяці тому

      @@abhinandan1441 Monkeygate, when India are called on their bad behaviour the BCCI just threatens to pull out of the series.

  • @Sid-e5y
    @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +38

    Is it even a rivalry when india have won the last 4 times,it's a rivalry when it happens in Australia,and its a rivalry in a one off test,but I see the border gavaskar more as one sided than a rivalry

    • @TheeldenLord924
      @TheeldenLord924 2 місяці тому +17

      obviously India has had an upper hand on the last 4 occasions , But to call it "one sided" shows either you didn't watch any of the games or you don't know the meaning of the word one sided

    • @Sid-e5y
      @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +2

      @@TheeldenLord924 when it has happened in india it's been one sided ,in aus it's obviously competitive,but how can people call ashes one sided when aus haven't even won in england for a while and than call the bgt competitive when india have won twice in aus

    • @TheeldenLord924
      @TheeldenLord924 2 місяці тому +10

      @@Sid-e5y 2-1 is one sided ? 😭 Aus were a 180 chase away from winning the series in 2017 and axar had to bail india out twice to win the recent bgt. Go watch some games before blabbering

    • @kingboruto6973
      @kingboruto6973 2 місяці тому

      In aus ues aus won or matches have been competitive but in india well since 1988 they won or drew only once 2004 ​@@TheeldenLord924

    • @Sid-e5y
      @Sid-e5y 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheeldenLord924 india won both those axar matches by more than 100 runs,if that's the argument than the ashes have also been competitive in aus, because smith has had to bail them out

  • @jaserobert2758
    @jaserobert2758 2 місяці тому +35

    As an Aussie who has no interest in cricket anymore, the Ashes is the only clash that i will watch and get excited about.

    • @hardik6918
      @hardik6918 2 місяці тому +1

      Why u aint interested in cricket
      Any particular reason?

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому

      ​@@hardik6918Indians ruined the sport, that's why

    • @physco4641
      @physco4641 2 місяці тому +4

      No interest in cricket. Your opinion doesn't matter

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому +13

      @@physco4641 it does matter. What that means is that even those who don't watch cricket much in Australia or England will still watch the Ashes because its their biggest cricket event. Similar to how in other countries, casual cricket fans only watch the world cup and nothing else. In other words, Ashes is the biggest test cricket rivalry.

    • @mrgyani
      @mrgyani 2 місяці тому +1

      Pakistanis are losing interest coz their team isn't doing so well.
      Aussies have lost interest coz their team has done it all.

  • @MSsnakeeyes123able
    @MSsnakeeyes123able Місяць тому +1

    Being an Indian , I have always considered Ashes is more valuable than the world cup. It is the oldest rivalry in the cricketing nation and it is the only rivalry that kept European and specifically England, Irish, Dutch and other neighbouring countries interested in the sport and they consider it as a holy rivalry even more than EPL, Champions league etc because Ashes is more of pride rivalry rather than just dominance.

  • @acestar-et1km
    @acestar-et1km 2 місяці тому +3

    Great Show 😊

  • @meetgala6455
    @meetgala6455 Місяць тому +2

    Its high time we need Aus vs Eng vs Ind tri series in all 3 locations

  • @samratmanna8310
    @samratmanna8310 2 місяці тому +8

    Its 120 years vs 30 years. So not comparable. But England can't compete in Australia. Ashes away is just good cricket. Ashes in Australia is just thrashing. Same as BGT in India

    • @AH00009
      @AH00009 2 місяці тому

      Ashes is Different

    • @dhananjaybhagat8738
      @dhananjaybhagat8738 Місяць тому

      Atleast Australia manage to win a test in India but England can't even do that in Australia.

  • @Therealtalkpodcast1115
    @Therealtalkpodcast1115 Місяць тому

    Based on the ones I've watched live, 2014, 17, 21 bgt and 2013, 19, 23 ashes, all were phenomenal in cricketing quality

  • @Bikramecotence
    @Bikramecotence Місяць тому

    You are ding good work folks, the ratio of (View:Like) is impressive.

  • @CricketGentlemensGame
    @CricketGentlemensGame Місяць тому

    8:38 finally someone remember that gill was also playing that test (and scoring 91 {also with new ball})

  • @Andyferguson-ml4uo
    @Andyferguson-ml4uo 2 місяці тому +13

    Neither. India v Pakistan is the biggest rivalry in cricket.

    • @_A.t.g
      @_A.t.g 2 місяці тому +9

      It doesn't happen anymore dude.

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому +1

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

    • @redeyexxx1841
      @redeyexxx1841 Місяць тому

      India vs Pakistan series doesn't even happen

    • @groot3535
      @groot3535 Місяць тому

      Agreed

  • @thiefoftomorrow
    @thiefoftomorrow 2 місяці тому +25

    aus vs england in england is the show piece cricket event

    • @LordPuneet377
      @LordPuneet377 2 місяці тому +3

      What about aus v eng in Australia 😂😂😂😂

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому

      @@LordPuneet377 still is

    • @LordPuneet377
      @LordPuneet377 Місяць тому +2

      @@yadhaider807 lol ur funny

  • @limewelsh
    @limewelsh 2 місяці тому +1

    Completely agree with Jarrod, he has his finger on the pulse of cricket and of fans in Aus

  • @tezhda
    @tezhda 2 місяці тому

    As an Indian Fan, Kimber is one cricket guru who understands the undertones and nuances - appreciate his take

  • @davidmeiklejohn9800
    @davidmeiklejohn9800 2 місяці тому +6

    You can't leave out the history. If you're asking Australians (as the only ones involved in both series), it's still the Ashes.

    • @snehalkhatri9357
      @snehalkhatri9357 2 місяці тому +1

      How? And Why?

    • @TheeldenLord924
      @TheeldenLord924 2 місяці тому +1

      Australians as in YOU ? I would take a series win against India currently any day of the week

    • @nikunjdixit1175
      @nikunjdixit1175 2 місяці тому +3

      @@TheeldenLord924 I think the discussion is about consensus. I think the history of The Ashes is so vast that you can't ignore that Aus and Eng have an additional personal edge in wanting to beat the other, even if Ind is a more competitive team against them.

    • @TheeldenLord924
      @TheeldenLord924 2 місяці тому +2

      @@nikunjdixit1175 Doesn't matter lmao , Wi have been more competitive here in the last couple of years than England , I would take beating india in aus anyday of the week because it is a lot harder to but also because it will be a sweet revenge

    • @nikunjdixit1175
      @nikunjdixit1175 2 місяці тому +1

      @@TheeldenLord924 I get that. But that's just an individual choice. If you take a consensus of group of Aus fans, I am sure most of them will say The Ashes. Most Indian fans would say the same when choosing between beating Pak and Aus.

  • @karthikpatra
    @karthikpatra 2 місяці тому +1

    Pure sporting competitiveness or history does not automatically translate to a bigger rivalry. The emotional response among the general public requires something more personal, something bitter beyond just cricket. Aus and Eng have that history and so do Ind and Pak. The BGT series can never upstage ashes for a typical Aus fan in that regard.

  • @jayaramnarayanan8752
    @jayaramnarayanan8752 Місяць тому +1

    BG Series is financially a goldmine for Cricket Australia.

  • @Natureshortcircuit
    @Natureshortcircuit Місяць тому +3

    Well, I feel like Ashes is more like Manchester United vs Liverpool. England is more like Manchester United here basking on the past glory🥲. India is more like Man City, sudden rise to power and there is more money involved.
    This is my personal opinion, and anyone can disagree.

  • @A.K.M.333
    @A.K.M.333 2 місяці тому +7

    As football fan History is important and that why Ashes is top riverly.

    • @TheSarenaster
      @TheSarenaster Місяць тому

      The your opinion doesn't matter 🤓☝🏻

  • @SohamBhattacharya3105
    @SohamBhattacharya3105 2 місяці тому +1

    Apart from Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh, Pakistan vs Afghanistan has also become a heated rivalry in the recent past.

  • @Devastating-queen-destroyrKing
    @Devastating-queen-destroyrKing Місяць тому

    3:30 makes very good sense

  • @rynverse8479
    @rynverse8479 Місяць тому +1

    Once a man said "come to Gaba" and the rest is history 🌚

    • @Ricky-ce2is
      @Ricky-ce2is Місяць тому

      Yea after that india lost WTC final and WC at home. Moron. A much weaker WI won at GABA recently too, but unlike INDIAN incels they don't jerk on that always.

  • @ExtremeZZZLifeOnTheEdge
    @ExtremeZZZLifeOnTheEdge Місяць тому +1

    The Gabba test made hard core Australian fans cry.

  • @andrewfleming2892
    @andrewfleming2892 Місяць тому

    Border Gavaskar Trophy has become the second most important test rivalry replacing the Frank Worrell Trophy for Australia.
    An away Ashes series will remain the most important series for both England and Australia given the difficulty of task over the past twenty or thirty years of winning series away from home.

  • @Shad0w5carab
    @Shad0w5carab Місяць тому +1

    From an Aussie perspective its still the Ashes by an absolute landslide. Yes India is a much bigger challenge to overcome but England are the enemy and nothing will ever compare to the feeling of beating them. Also to be honest it still doesn't feel like theres any chance of us winning in India so away series are a write off before they even begin., everyone just watches the highlights on the news and goes "Oh look, another dust bowl, India opened with two spinners and they took all the wickets cause every 3rd ball doesn't bounce, oh well"

    • @dakshpatil8201
      @dakshpatil8201 Місяць тому +1

      Same reason we indians call ind vs pak huge..while everyone knows how difficult beating pak really is🤣🤣,it all basically depends upon the history

  • @tejasnatu90
    @tejasnatu90 2 місяці тому +2

    Historically of course its the Ashes, but in terms of quality I believe BGT beats Ashes. Ashes is too one sided in favor of the Aussies. BGT, with India suddenly winning two in two away and under extreme circumstances, and Aussies still not able to find a way to defeat India in India, has suddenly raised the bar and stakes really high I believe.

  • @KICK839
    @KICK839 2 місяці тому

    It is .
    Well obviously their will always be history.

  • @pranavmishra4323
    @pranavmishra4323 Місяць тому

    Awesome show with Kimber, the host and John Cena

  • @kaakutstha
    @kaakutstha 2 місяці тому

    Ashes may be big on history, but its seldom made for compelling viewing. I've only watched three closely fought Ashes series in the 3 decades that I've followed the game: 2005, 2019 & 2023

  • @opinions1461
    @opinions1461 2 місяці тому +1

    @2.55 Spot on, By conservative estimate 90 out 100 Aussie would be saying cricket? Don't know mate I watch AFL...

  • @walkingalive189
    @walkingalive189 2 місяці тому

    Pure Cricket wise Ind vs Aus & Aus vs Saf (few years back) was the best.
    But Ashes & Ind vs Pak(if it ever happened again) are the two biggest series but its much more than cricket

  • @ashishchauhan4042
    @ashishchauhan4042 Місяць тому

    India vs Australia is more than just a game of cricket. Even the events in between to overs are worth watching.

  • @rajeshdebnath4523
    @rajeshdebnath4523 Місяць тому +1

    BGT is much competitive and excitement tournament then Ashes

  • @SunrajAhirrao
    @SunrajAhirrao 2 місяці тому

    good that the panel did not mind discussing INDvPAK rivalry. They would be forced to change the title of the video.

  • @Bhavik630
    @Bhavik630 Місяць тому

    BGT may be bigger when it comes to competitiveness but when it comes to following, Ashes has and will always have an upper hand as it means a lot to Australian and English Cricket fans as its part of these two countries Sports culture.

  • @knowledgiyapa
    @knowledgiyapa Місяць тому +1

    Aussies who are saying I am only interested in ashes are the ones who know that in ashes they are going to win more often than not. But with india, In india forget about winning the series even in your dreams. And in your own home Australia, you are always under tremoundous pressure because you know one mistake and you will lose for sure. That's how strong the Indian test cricket team is. You are not going to win without playing your A game.

    • @redeyexxx1841
      @redeyexxx1841 Місяць тому

      That's not the topic here.
      Thing is England and Australia have a long history and that's a part of the reason why Aussies see Ashes as the second most important cricketing event besides the World Cup.
      It's similar to let's say India vs Pakistan has bigger importance to the Indians than India vs Australia.
      I mean I would prefer losing to Australia than losing to Pakistan.

  • @eshwaryapathak
    @eshwaryapathak Місяць тому +1

    Ashes is better brand and marketing - BGT is a better product.

  • @CricketEngland
    @CricketEngland 2 місяці тому +6

    ASHES!

    • @hridikpaldiwal
      @hridikpaldiwal 2 місяці тому +2

      yes, quality of border gavaskar is bigger but as a person living in aus, people care about ashes way more

  • @kuldeepsingh211
    @kuldeepsingh211 2 місяці тому

    We need to give every test trophy/series/rivalry a name like Ashes and BGT and use it more often.

    • @_A.t.g
      @_A.t.g 2 місяці тому

      Yeah. If you are going to the effort of making trophy like a tournament just think up of a name.

  • @abdullahalmahmud5138
    @abdullahalmahmud5138 Місяць тому

    I want to see an Ashes series in India!

  • @maxmustard7028
    @maxmustard7028 Місяць тому

    Good conversation. Payne thing was Gabba. Be nice if Test cricket was played outside of 3 countries its all over soon. Go the Dees.

  • @SohamBhattacharya3105
    @SohamBhattacharya3105 2 місяці тому

    Deep actually made a really good point - India touring Austrlia is bigger than England touring there and Australia touring England is bigger than them touring India. Although, it must be said that Steve Waugh did call India the "final frontier".

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

  • @callofduty3807
    @callofduty3807 Місяць тому +5

    Ashes. Aus Vs Eng is and will always will be bigger than any team that comes to Aus. It may be a smaller trophy but it means a lot more to win than some trophy that is only like 30 years old. Aus and Ind will never be on that level.

  • @ManojSingh-zx5rt
    @ManojSingh-zx5rt 2 місяці тому +14

    Hyping BGT is a joke. Remember in the 70s and 80s, it was difficult for Aus to beat WI but still the Ashes was more important due to historical reason.

    • @rahulsinha623
      @rahulsinha623 2 місяці тому +2

      The name border Gavaskar should change to border tendulkar series,why? As because when you are legend of the game you have some social responsibility too,you have an adulution a lagacy to follow till 18/11/23 Mr Gavaskar deserve respect but from 19/11/23 he lost all respect when he done pan masala advertisement if he is under some debt it will be understable but after earning so much he in his 70's misguiding the youth of India its not a mistake it's a sin so it should be BTT ( BORDER TENDULKAR TROPHY).An example should establish in our society that if you commited sin you have to pay heavily for it,like in Olympics if after win gold if one fail in medical test immediately the medal is taking back.🤫

    • @marathiboi96
      @marathiboi96 2 місяці тому +1

      match quality over history anyday

    • @yadhaider807
      @yadhaider807 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@marathiboi96Aussies won't care

    • @Rohan_Choudhary5
      @Rohan_Choudhary5 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@yadhaider807players don't play for spectators...they play for themselves...they play for their own pride...mindset of player is totally different from normal person...

    • @AR-qt8fs
      @AR-qt8fs 2 місяці тому +1

      If given a chance of watching India play Pakistan or India play Australia 90% would currently choose Australia coz of competition...even though there's a richer history against Pak.

  • @ClydeMillerWynant
    @ClydeMillerWynant 2 місяці тому

    To me with these things you have to take how you would feel about losing into account as well as how you would feel about winning.
    I can easily imagine that many Australian supporters would be more excited by beating India at home than winning another Ashes, but also suspect they might be considerably more horrified to lose a home Ashes series than they will be if they lose to India again.
    As an England supporter I think winning an away series in India would be a bigger achievement than winning in Aus though obviously the latter would also be quite something given how poorly we've performed there the last three times. Cold assessment of what's more difficult or impressive doesn't govern excitement levels though!

    • @dansharp2860
      @dansharp2860 2 місяці тому +1

      Aussie here and you are right on the money. Can take losing to India because they are so good. Winning in India is a massive achievement and we realise it's the hardest ask in test cricket. However, lose to England and the country would go into melt down. Here? That can not happen if people want to keep their jobs. The media over hype the Ashes which doesn't help.

    • @SunilPokhrel-wo9ew
      @SunilPokhrel-wo9ew 2 місяці тому +1

      ​​@@dansharp2860I live in Sydney as an Indian immigrant and what I found is that Aussies just loves beating Eng time and time again and losing a home Ashes against Eng is just not acceptable by Aussie fans at all whereas whenever Ind beats Aus,Aussie media and fans take it casually as just another game that Aus lost to India whereas losing to Eng especially in home Ashes is just painful for Aussie fans

  • @prodigiii712
    @prodigiii712 Місяць тому +1

    Casual cricket fan from Bangladesh. Just heard of Border Gavaskar trophy. Knew of Ashes since the time I started watching cricket.

  • @Sandu455
    @Sandu455 2 місяці тому

    Border gavaskar is the new ashes.. ... the retro ashes where eng vs aus go on head to head has lately been like a normal tests instead of tug of war.. where as the border gavaskar trophy is so entertaining

  • @kc4276
    @kc4276 Місяць тому

    Ashes is a historical rivalry between the Anglos. Casual fans would be more excited for this series.
    BGT is the present/future. Hardcore fans would, probably, be more excited for this series.
    I suspect that, in general, most Aussies are still biased towards the Ashes (nothing wrong with that), but commerce favours the BGT.

  • @ankmondal573
    @ankmondal573 Місяць тому

    A tri test series among India, Australia, England 💚

  • @kirkelliott493
    @kirkelliott493 Місяць тому +2

    Im a massive cricket fan... and England v the aussies is the biggest rivalry in the game

  • @vivekbhagat114
    @vivekbhagat114 Місяць тому

    Obviously ashes has a history and tradition but india australia and india england also has traditional rivalry

  • @fin-ed6oj
    @fin-ed6oj Місяць тому +1

    If you asked 100 random Aussies today, 85% would still prefer to win the Ashes in England than the BGT in India

    • @suryakantpaital7306
      @suryakantpaital7306 Місяць тому

      Because . People like tough games... In india BGT is like❤ biased........... A bit of compitition in australia 🦘

    • @suryakantpaital7306
      @suryakantpaital7306 Місяць тому

      It's almost impossible to beat india in INDIA'

  • @karneshwarj
    @karneshwarj 2 місяці тому

    In Historic Presence you can say Ashes was the biggest and most important test series in world cricket but now Border-Gavaskar is Bigger

  • @jamesatkinson12
    @jamesatkinson12 2 місяці тому +1

    BG trophy since 2000
    Total India wins - 9 series and 1 tie
    Total Aus wins - 4 series and 1 tie
    2001 in india - india 2-1
    2003 in Australia- tie 1-1
    2004-5 in India - Aus 2-1
    2007/8 in Aus - Aus 2-1
    2008 in India - India 2-0
    2010 in india - India 2-0
    2011 in Aus - Aus 4-0
    2012 in India - Ind 4-0
    2014 in Aus - Aus 2-0
    2014 in India - Ind 4-0
    2017 in India - Ind 2-1
    2018 in Aus - Ind 2-1
    2021 in Aus - Ind 2-1
    2024 in India - Ind 2-1

  • @vikrantkalyan7598
    @vikrantkalyan7598 Місяць тому

    Meanwhile in the Caribbean
    Rakheem the dream v Azam the dazam being built as an all time rivalry
    CPL IS THE BEST FRANCHISE LEAGUE GOING AROUND
    GOATED BY THE TWO LEGENDS OF THE GAME

  • @VishalYadav-jl1cc
    @VishalYadav-jl1cc 2 місяці тому

    How about a test tri series among India,Australia and England 😎

  • @SAFFRONINFERNO
    @SAFFRONINFERNO 2 місяці тому

    We need Benson/Hedges - Carlton Tri Series back
    ACB/BCCI should make it happen once again with preferably ECB

  • @Vibranium603
    @Vibranium603 2 місяці тому

    Australia beating England either home or away would feel satisfying but wouldn't surprise or shock anyone. On the other hand . . .

  • @CoderHarsh
    @CoderHarsh Місяць тому

    Ashes is due to historical moment but due to competitiveness Border Gavaskar is prime right now

  • @chrismcdonaghsignwriting1568
    @chrismcdonaghsignwriting1568 2 місяці тому

    Kimber is spot on here.

  • @jimmyc7624
    @jimmyc7624 Місяць тому

    Deep dasgupta class personified the aussie berk who no one knows hasn't got a clue about cricket and just tried to wind people up.

  • @shridhardeshpande1790
    @shridhardeshpande1790 Місяць тому

    Ashes is bigger than bgt hands down but currently context wise bgt is bigger

  • @mrgyani
    @mrgyani 2 місяці тому +1

    Lets not hype the BGT so much, and our team goes there and gets crushed like there was no competition.

  • @tigersden13
    @tigersden13 Місяць тому

    Ashes in England, BGT in Australia. But Ashes is still bigger in my opinion.

  • @neilgovender7450
    @neilgovender7450 2 місяці тому

    How about England vs India? I think Autralia long term will become much weaker.This was on the cards when all their greats retired but sort of had a rejuvenation but very much like the West Indies it will fade away.They have smaller player pools and are not as rich as the other 2 and essentially is isolated as a nation. They also will have competition from other sports and moreso from short form cricket. England the colonial masters with a strong economy can sustain its passion for test cricket and India with it's cricket fervency will remain strong.
    Currently there is no comparison to the Ashes. Asa South African cricket fan I watch the Australian Ashes summer which sometimes begins at 00:30 SAST. Its the nostalgia the historic trends were one is stronger than the other. I make England favourite for the next Ashes down under simply because the Aussie attack is coming to its end. In addition Steve Smith and Usman Khwaja are also expected to retire and there are no obvious replacements. What do you guys think about my take?

  • @naveenn6355
    @naveenn6355 2 місяці тому

    You guys could have chosen a better guest than Deep Dasgupta.. he is so insignificant!!

  • @Bobertron199494
    @Bobertron199494 Місяць тому

    In Australia, BGT is clear. But Ashes in England is still the best series going

  • @factytop10s45
    @factytop10s45 Місяць тому

    Border gavaskar trophy started in 1996

  • @jacknoone3725
    @jacknoone3725 2 місяці тому

    For us, the Ashes are obviously bigger, but I do think we don’t make anywhere near as much out of India series (our left-field picks are all with a view to the Ashes, even Bashir who made his debut in India is a tall lad who gets bounce). Looking forward to India next year, will be a true test of ‘Bazball’, we’ve beaten India in a one-off Test, we’ve matched our results away to India and at home to Australia and done well against the rest but we could do with a real statement series win

  • @TheKernal96_
    @TheKernal96_ 2 місяці тому

    Langer said the main thing is to win in india. im assuming its the hardest challenge

  • @shourjochaudhuri
    @shourjochaudhuri 2 місяці тому

    Tim Paine was saying Gabba not waca to ashwin

  • @-gn7sn
    @-gn7sn 12 днів тому

    Obvs ashes in eng is huge. In Australia it's a slaughter

  • @nastybadger-tn4kl
    @nastybadger-tn4kl 2 місяці тому

    Kimber understand nuances of india more than indian. He has the knack on seeing things deeper. its just that india competed better than england. That make it more tougher.
    Australia can win in england but in india? Lot tougher as long ashwin is alive and playing
    England had fluke win in 2005. Only strauss led team conquered australia in 30 years.
    England were punching bag for australia
    Aussies has will to win. But in india they are outskilled by indians.
    For aussies to beat indian in Australia is easy if they bring Smart fast bowler. Cummins is smart and hazlewood and starc and lyon not that smart. They are ok bowlers.
    Aussie need one upcoming Tall "Smart" fast bowler.
    One of the problem is finding players is that lots of politics involved in every country

    • @Epsilon04
      @Epsilon04 2 місяці тому

      Yes, it is so easy for them to win in England that they haven’t done it for 23 years, 26 by the time they next come over here.

  • @Manishnishad007
    @Manishnishad007 7 днів тому +1

    Ashes no question

  • @OscarPrima-b4y
    @OscarPrima-b4y Місяць тому

    Anderson Jason Perez Kenneth Johnson Carol

  • @PrakharTalksSports
    @PrakharTalksSports Місяць тому

    Sri Lanka v Bangladesh is the biggest cricket rivalry 😅

  • @malateshhkulkarni4800
    @malateshhkulkarni4800 2 місяці тому

    Aus vs Ind - rivalry exist for more than 25 years..

  • @roobanloganathan6498
    @roobanloganathan6498 2 місяці тому +5

    The Ashes will always be the premier and bigger trophy than the BGT.
    BGT can never rival the history, great moments of the Ashes.

    • @snehalkhatri9357
      @snehalkhatri9357 2 місяці тому +7

      Nope not agree at all

    • @roobanloganathan6498
      @roobanloganathan6498 2 місяці тому

      @@snehalkhatri9357
      When Ashes started n BGT was made into a big moment in cricket history?
      Clearly you can see the differences between both especially in Aahes’s history, great players who played in it, the unforgettable moments etc
      Once India Start losing in BGT and Indians lose interest, no one will talk about it anymore.
      Now it’s just marketing trick to make it into a bigger series than it actually is.

    • @SAFFRONINFERNO
      @SAFFRONINFERNO 2 місяці тому +1

      @@roobanloganathan6498 India has lost countless wc's
      that didn't stop them from talking up WC's

    • @snehalkhatri9357
      @snehalkhatri9357 2 місяці тому +1

      @@SAFFRONINFERNO exactly, Ind will never loose interest in cricket ,remember last year when ind lose the world cup final and In next four days ind play T20 series vs Aus, everyone says no one will watching this series and what happen, full house

    • @SAFFRONINFERNO
      @SAFFRONINFERNO 2 місяці тому

      @@snehalkhatri9357 That doesn't mean lack of winning cup's is acceptable
      that point was driven down many times before

  • @arjunps6776
    @arjunps6776 2 місяці тому

    When was the last time a great Ashes series was played in Australia where the final test in Sydney was the decider? The Ashes is competitive only when it's held in England. In Australia, the hosts win it hands down. England is always under prepared when they go down under and come up with hundreds of excuses for their defeat. In the case of BGT, both countries have hosted very competitive series. So, Ashes is only good in England. BGT is good both in India and Australia.

  • @RohanKathpalia-cj4vp
    @RohanKathpalia-cj4vp Місяць тому

    Am I the only one wondering why Deep Das Gupta is the only one wearing a sweater?