@@juliancain6128 With the way they nerfed so many other ships into the ground, it would destroy their entire balance scheme to leave any Connie variant as is.
> The constellation series for many many years had access to 2 size 5s and 2 size 4s In 3.23 they adjusted the lower weapons to accept size 5s If they bring the weapons back to size 4s it would not be a big surprise. And at this point, makes sense to leave *all* ships of this size category to use the same sizes (Corsair pilot should control all guns, even if back to size 4s) > the gimball changes upped the game for eveything And now they are not happy with the results Perhaps it makes sense for fighters to have plenty of size 3s, but size 5s got too much for medium ships? The jump in quality from 4 to 5 is veeery big (better damage, worse speed) Size fixation has always been a characteristic of Star Citizen 😆
Corsair and Connie have the same pitch/yaw/roll speeds according to Erkul. Starlancer is twice the size of those 2 and has slightly better P/Y/R speed. Can guarantee that will be nerfed after IAE and sales window. Sorry, "corrected".
It should not maneuver at faster rate than ships much smaller in size and mass. At least not without having many more MAVs. Then again, physics have no point in CIG marketing.
Connie (andromeda) has 3x the HP, 2x the missiles and 4xs5 pilot controlled guns and a included snub fighter and 2 turrets with great coverage and 2xs3 weapons each. Oh and it's also got 96 scu of cargo vs corsair 72 scu.
They give the tiny zeus a tractor beam but can't give one to the max? "Ok I'm going to walk 300 yards out of the cockpit to pick up a box like a peasant".
It's designed for usability. It's the polar opposite to the Zeus, which has maximised, but hardly usable cargo space. Starlancer has very low cargo capacity for its size, but the cargo is very usable and accessible
Let's be real. If you're soloing, you're not going to be fighting in any of these ships unless you're specifically doing NPC combat missions. In terms of combat, forget the weapons, forget the dps. The only variables that matter are signature size, maneuverability, speed, visibilty, or any other factors that let you detect hostile ships and jump away before other players can disable you. There's zero percent chance CIG retires the Connie. However, it will have to grow in size, just like the freelancer has to, and may end up being closer in size to the Starlancer.
... you're right: they won't retire the name... but it will "essentially" be a new-ship developed from "the ground-up" reflecting their latest game-design strategies and game-balance within the evolving ship-ecosystem.
@@RoyHobbs-f4v Yeah, I wouldn't expect capabilities or "general outside shape" to change radically, just the hab and engineering stuff which will require a complete redesign since they didn't think about that stuff when it was made.
Now that I've flown the Starlancer Max, I don't really want to fly a Conni or Corsair anymore... you can see how old the design is... and I love the Max...^^
i would still fly the connie because even though its an old design everything works on it. Has good firepower, has tractor beam, has bed, good cockpit view, etc
Even if I don’t want it to I will understand if they nerf the starlancer max since it does feel more maneuverable than it should be for a ship of its size but for now I will enjoy my max till the day and I will prob still enjoy it since I love flying the 600i in combat missions and its pretty sluggish
I've had all 3 ships, all are very good but it comes down to personal preference. I don't like the looks of the Conni and the loading ramp can only be loaded from the front and rear, which is awkward. But it's got A LOT of missiles and great firepower. I'm not a fan of the massive wonky wings of the Corsair and the depressing interior, but it's battlefield prowess is very strong. The Starlancer imo, is astonishing, I love it. 228scu AND a vehicle bay! The bays are very accessible and the interior is lush. All 3 ships have the same amount of fuses to manage for engineering, but the Starlancer has them all in the same place, which makes it much easier to deal with. StarMAX gets my vote, handling it in the PTU has been a lot of fun👍
I love the Corsair design...but it flies like a brick. I see the Starlancer Max as an upgrade to the Taurus. Holds slightly more cargo AND a vehicle. Plus the connies really need an interior refresh. They can't compete against the highly detailed quarters of the Starlancer.
This is why i actually downgraded to a Zeus MK2 CL from the taurus, because honestly, i find it easier for me to do many well rounded tasks and the interior and exits are just more to my liking. Its worse for combat but honestly, I'm not running RTs just bunkers/fps. I would like to use the star lancer max or tac. I honestly want a solid solo VHRT capable ship that isn't going to get nerfed or as connie variant. I don't really like the connie designs. never did.
About the Corsair nerf: 4xS4 + 2xS3 is exactly the same DPS than 2S5 + 2S4 with the extra bonus of still retaining the additional 2xS5 if there's a second crew member. They didn't choose the dumbest option, it's indeed the best between those two options. What they need to do now is to modify the copilot 2xS5 into a remote turret.
Nope. You would have more. Copilot could actually use the turret above, then you would have more DPS and copilot will not feel like retard pressing fire when pilot targets. o7
@@infinitespace239 nope. 4xS4 + 2xS3 is exactly the same DPS than 2S5 + 2S4. With the second option the copilot has 2xS5 or 2xS2, with the first one only 2xS2. The option chosen by CIG is just better as it provides more DPS with an extra crew member. Some numbers (using attritions, reduce the numbers a 10% for cannons): HARDPOINT SIZE REDUCTION (4S4+2S3): (4S4) 1179 x 4 = 4716 (2S3) 786 x 2 = 1572 Total pilot firepower: 4716 + 1572 = 6288 Bonus: Copilot firepower: 582 x 2 = 1164 ----------------------------------------------- CURRENT CORSAIR (2S5+2S4): (2S5) 1965 x 2 = 3930 (2S4) 1179 x 2 = 2358 Total pilot firepower: 3930 + 2358 = 6288 Bonus: Copilot firepower: 1965 x 2 = 3930
Having had all of them, the SLM is my favorite. Finally melted my beloved Taurus because I'm just tired of waiting for it to get the refresh it so desperately needs. Considering they're allegedly CR's favorite ship, it's kind of sad that the Constellations have just been left to rot. I can only assume they're going to bin the current version and start teasing a Connie 2.0 before much longer.
I know ppl love the connie taurus but the starlancer is just so great. If ypur not into aesthetic whatsoever then sure the connie is great. But i want nice rooms, nice spaces and a ship to actually feel livable in this game. Starlancer checks more boxes than a taurus imo with similar downsides
Le Connie nécessite un gros rework de son intérieur. Ca ne peut pas être comparé au Starlancer qui vient de sortir et bénéficie donc de toutes les dernières avancées des studios de developpement.
Time saving comment here: Combat: Taurus Cargo: Max Don't use the andromeda. Its a worse taurus. All has the same maneuverability. Max has 1 degree more pitch and yaw which is nothing in turn it's slow af in scm
dromi has tons of missiles 2 gun emplacements and a snub also a shit load of more hitpoints which helps with the engines alone that makes no difference though
@@Warsheep2k6 The Andromeda has not so much more hitpoints. In total yes. But only because the Conny has so many parts. If you compare Nose or Body HP it's not a big difference.
On the topic of the components, there's also power draw to consider. Personally like the 7A "NARGUN" shields for lancer since it has 4 individual pips over 4+1. As for the quantum drive youre very off the mark. The cooldown time is the biggest difference between them all and it comes with the second best QT drive. Only a .25 difference between it and the next fastest cooldown
It has 3 more people on the cockpit, so 1 each of them control 1 of the bottom pilot guns , and giving pilot control of only the top 2 S4 guns, that would align with SC "meaningful and tactical" multi crew system
... I know I say this about every new Explorer/Industrial shiny-thing from CIG... but... I think I'm in-love with the MAX. And... I just said the same-thing a week-ago about the Zeus-ES. I hope I can keep the Zeus from finding-out about my relationship with the MAX... for a little-longer.
Star lancer max requires at least 1 other player, especially once engineering comes online. Bc of that, constellation still remains king for Solo players.
The Starlancer and the Constellation have the same amount of fuses to manage... so when engineering comes online, they will both be the same in this context.
Starlancer Tac vs Connie is more where it's at IMO. And honestly that's just multi-crew power vs solo-pilot power, the Tac is just better in a lot of ways, but it doesn't has as much pilot firepower, and is a bigger/slower target. The post-nerf corsair is just a shameful pile of parts to cry over.
And to reply to the main question: 600i xD I really really like open cockpits, and all 3 of these ships in the video have struts or, in Max case, a handicap. But 600i is by far worst in agility, cargo and HP... which is acceptable under the promise of a rework (which all old ships will eventually get) Of these 3 I probably pick the constellation because I like it since 2012, so nostalgia really makes this unfair to the others. The nerfs to corsair were brutal, the eventual downsize on Constellation guns is bearable and the future nerf to Starlancer agility will be annoying but ok
Newer doesn't always mean better. Is the Connie outdated? you say yes but I love the Connie's simplistic layout that lets you get around the ship quickly. Half the good looking rooms in the new ships is just eye candy and lacks any purpose in the game right now. Not to mention doors and elevators everywhere slowing me down.
I think the Connie fo solos is still the king. I like the rear door on the Corsair but could do without the wings lol. I think the may nerf the manuvering of the SL at somepoint. Yeah Connie Taurus for solos I think, for multi use. The SL is better for pure cargo.
I upgraded my Taurus to the MAX. I have a feeling they are going to nerf the MAX's maneuverability though. The C2 used to be too maneuverable for it's size and it's been nerfed a bit.
I don't think they will nerf the max tbh, Size isn't the only thing to consider in manoeuvrability, it's the overall design. The starlancer max makes sense to be more manoeuvrable visually, compared to a big rectangle or a cheese wedge.
Im a die hard Drake fan and fuck them for nerfing Corsair in such a dumb way. They should have just taken the S4 guns away from the pilot but then again thats Drakes whole fucking thing put as many guns on a ship as they can...
Wish the andromeda nacelles would fold up so it could land closer to the ground, and get rid of the bars across the center of your vision. It looks a bit ridiculous on the hind (only), gear standing up so high off of the ground. Ingress and egress isn’t much different between it and the Starlancer but it feels more painful to me for some reason.
Hopefully the corsair gets rebalanced properly. Same for F8C. IMO they should all only have s4 guns, with corsair back to the original 4xs4 +2xs3 all pilot controlled again.
you do realise that 4 size 4s and 2 size 3s would actually be worse off than just 2 size 5s alone? not even taking into consideration upcoming armor changes that will result in smaller caliber guns not being able to penetrate as efficiently. so what you're saying regarding the corsair is you'd rather they had nerfed it 2x more than what they did? I think people are way over reacting to the nerf regarding the corsair, I'm still currently soloing ERT's with it just takes a little longer, what id like them to do is leave those size 5s with the co pilot and change the upper turret to be a scanning dish like whats on the terrapin and the cutter scout, that would truly make it an "exploration" ship.
Go to the 3.24.3 PTU, get into Arena Commander and rent it. In the PTU you get a ton of REC to test with so it's free. You won't be able to do hauling or missions, but you can get a good feel for the ship.
The Connie has been broken for so long. I melted all of mine. I wont get them back .They need to finish what they have. Instead, they will nerf it to sell something new and phase them out.
Love your Vids bro and you make fair points but TBH in this comparison the max is a cargo ship you should be comparing the TAC with the Corsair and the Connie, Thats same kinda Ships and in that the TAC OWN them Both SO bad LOL med beds MASSIVE Pew PEw, Drop ability AND a SNUB fighter no comparison AND EVEN MORE CARGO I mean WTF lol
You said best would be 4 size 4 and 2 size 3... try that in the calculator... i think its same or even less damge than its now woth 2x5 and 2x4. PLUS your ship would be qlso weaker with crew, now its only weaker when solo
Yes, less pilot weapons, but than your copilot could use turret with sx3. That means more dps. That would be logical nerf and copilot could actually do something. Or mybe 6x4 for pilot and all good. But nooo, stupid.
@infinitespace239 I am also not happy with the nerf. There are many ways this could have been handled better. I love the corsair for it's looks. It feels like a bounty hunter or smuggler ship from star wars. Ship like the mandolorian had for example, or also a bit like the ship from Fallen Order. I like the non symmetric design, the wings, the industrial interior... simply everything feels perfect for my taste and I don't understand why they even nerfed it at all, it has other downsides like the bad manoverability, the speed, you are a big target. The shields and hull are also weaker than andromeda, no snub, less missles... the firepower was really the only outstanding thing that was speaking for this ship from the technical standpoint. Since the constellations all have 4x s5 guns the corsair should keep at least these guns and I even think the 2 additional s 4 on the wings where justified because of all the other downsides that it has. It's the compromise people made for the max firepower. It's really sad. They must fix the corsair..giving the front guns to the Co pilot is really extremely stupid. Why should the Co pilot separately control 2 out of 4 guns that all point in the same direction. Such decisions really make me doubt the mental state of the people behind this
1) In your video you said there is a plan by CIG to nerf the Andromeda down to size 4 pilot weapons, is that confirmed? 2) If they are going to nerf the weapons of the Andromeda, don't you think they will nerf the Andromeda and the Starlancer's maneuverability given they are larger than the Corsair? If the Andromeda is nerfed, what do you think would be better fully crewed for a good combat AND all rounder: the MAX or the Andromeda?
1) I don't think its confirmed anywhere but just speculation as what happened to Corsair. 2) If they did nerf the Andromeda they would boost it in another capacity ,like manoeuvrability, to compensate. If the Andromeda is nerfed the the Max would be better combat and all rounder because of the bigger turrets and ability to have rover and cargo.
No, there is no such plan. The Andromeda was always planned to have Size 5 weapons. Only recently did it get the actual planned weapons loadout since it still had the not planned Size 4 weapons. The "rumors" are thus far only people who complain that the corsair lost its 6 pilot weapons. IMO a better way to buff it again would be to make it faster since it has those huge engines. Not nerf another ship.
Because CIG is nerfing, changing and destroying the game there seems no point in choosing the ships by stats. Can only buy ships you like the design of and enjoy as it is, because gameplay is broken too. Adding more and more timesinks kills my ambition to play seriously (master modes, removing local inventory, personal hangars, removing planets visible jumppoints from om points, making the HUD of ships super ugly and a color explosion), I just log in fly around a bit and enjoy my ship.
If all of that is removing crybabies i see it as a bonus. Everything in that game that has been played up until now and into the future are placeholders - there is not a ship, component or weapon that has its final stats and there is not a category of items in the game that are not getting additional items in their own class and entirely new classes. If you didnt know that - back when Port Olisar was the only location in game - then you know it now.
For solo ert combat and daily driver I'll take the connie. That center pilot chair and better view keeps me going back to Connie. The slit view and left side pilot chair of sl max is a big no for me. I find sl max beautiful and ugly at the same time if I am that conflicted with ship I stick with the connie for now. I had corsair too and still fly it out every now and then, but got deleted last patch. 😢 Edit: if nerf hammer drops. Sl max maneuverability will probably get hit. For connie probably shields its a gunship as base so gun size will probably left alone. But there are rumors that rsi has dev bias so maybe it won't get nerf.
Starlancer might have other advantages, but the only corsair only did 2 things better than the connies, that was range and firepower, although the connies did bridge that with a lot of missiles, now the corsair only does 1 thing out of everything better than the connies
@ the Corsair still has better range than the Connie’s, and it has the better interior by far, and has a rear loading ramp which is superior to an elevator when landing on planets. It also is also VERY close to the firepower of the Connie’s.
to be honest CIG have killl the corsair and don't respect DRAKE drake is known for being overarmed, low resistance and basic interior for me the best choise for a nerf is 6 size 4 i'm ok for the nerf of the shield BUT his name is the corsair THE CORSAIR respect that i love this ship but he became a shadow of himself the cony have more dps now for the pilot more maneuverable more hp if CIG don't make a little change for the corsair i really hope a nerf for the cony with 4 size 4 i don't like the cockpit of the connie but is a good ship now is the best for ERT etc the starlancer is a very good ship for now i have nothing to say he respect the MISC spirit big cargo nice interior the competition is tough between it's 3 ships but really sad for the corsair nice video bro like always
Love your content, but in this case you might be premature in the review. We need to wait for after the post-launch nerf of the Starlancer. Also since cooling is not too important right now, I have been swapping out to stealth coolers as they get the job done using less power than other coolers, freeing power for. my weapons, shields and engines.
I love the Starlancer, but very much dislike it's tiny viewport in the cockpit and its useless wings. still bought an upgrade to it, but it could be better
@@infinitespace239 Yeah, but it has really low cargo for the size, 96, against the Taurus 168. Remember, the Zeus CL has 128 as a small ship, it's hard to reason for Andromeda if you want to use it as a cargo ship.
conny taurus.... best ship in game and will never change. Chris Roberts has said his favorite ship is constellation phoenix. So i don't see connys getting nerfed anytime soon! great vid as always brother!
with you there with the Taurus, I was nearly tempted to upgrade it to the max but I just can't do it, sure it doesn't carry as much cargo but it more than makes up for that with the ease and speed you can load and unload, the amazing tractor beam, size 5 weapons and is easy to solo pilot with but can be great with a friend or two as well
taurus is a great ship if you don't care about looks, because the interior sucks. Needs to be completely redone. I ran taurus missions to buy a C2 (before price increases).
@@rscrillz6979 call me crazy but i actually like that it looks a bit bare bones and ancient on the inside, gives me a bit of an older sci-fi feel to it :) that said I would love them to give it a gold pass!
The Max is the new ship. They will nerf the starlancer. Pitch and yaw are too good. The freelancer is smaller and has almost the same values. In the future it will be the same as the starfarer.
There is no official Plan to nerf the Connie, just salty Corsair-Players who want to let us suffer too! Share the offcial information, if you rly heared from a plan in this matter....
The connies are to be re-balanced in the up-coming patch. Its too overpowered than the starlancer while also being a multi-crew. Best of luck to those who solo them!
What makes you say the Corsair is the slowest and least maneuverable while the MAX is more nimble? On erkul and spviewer, the Corsair's speed and maneuverability are listed as exactly the same as the Andromeda, while the MAX has 1 degree better maneuverability but almost half the scm speed (200 scm for corsair/connie and 115 for max.) The nav speed of the MAX is also slower, but not by much. Is it more of a feel thing? Or are the stats glitched?
@@igorborracini5722 It is a wrong. Take Corsair and Max and try to maneuver them you will see massive differences. It should not be happening but it is for some reason. Maybe mass or something else, but MaX is heavy.
I know you probably just chose random ballistic turrets for a solo player, but for future reference Revenants are better than AD4B's: similar dps, same total firing ammo time, but faster velocity. Also, for coolers Steath grade A coolers are very good too, not for the stealth but because they are the most efficient power wise (2 power on a stealth A (which is fully powered) outputs more cooling than 2 power on a military A (which would be half powered))
Starlancer cant really be compared to the connie or corsair. Its much larger and requires a larger crew to fully come online. This is like compairing the C1 to the aroura or avenger
@infinitespace239 completely disagree. Prices in this game mean absolutely nothing. The tumbril nova and drake cutlass black only have a $10 standalone price difference and nobody is making comparisons with those
Both the Corsair and the Starlancer are built for a Crew of 4, share the same component sizes, shielding and have similar weaponry. It's more like comparing the Zeus with the Cutlass/ Spirit/ Freelancer: same class, better amenities and more expensive. Or if you prefer, the Starlancer is the Nomad of the medium/large tier.
The Starlancer requires no more to operate than the Constellation series... they both have the same amount of fuses to manage when engineering comes online.
I gave up watching this videi when you told all your viewers that the lower front guns do not move. This is not true and you have had several weeks to have found that out. I almost gave up when you said that, despite what the stats say, the Corsair handles worse than the Connie. I have tested this myself in space and at sea level and the Corsair will do a full loop or a full yaw rotation or full roll faster than the Connie!
none of them are solo ship they are multicrew u guys are stuck with engineering is not coming ...... Taurus is easy acess to everywhere on the ship the pilot could run the entire ship in 2 sec while you cannot on the max . It willbe easier to work on the taurus . Taurus is more nimble and its faster . easy to load . If you want purely cargo then the max but thats all its going to be good for . Dont get cut in a fight with the Max Starlancer all the pirate have to do is to stay under it and shoot it easy kill i have killed 3 like that already and i was in an aurora not a solo ship
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Just want to clear some things:
1.I used RSI Andromeda because i didn't have Taurus.
2. Nerfing of Cony are the roomers, forgot to say it in video. o7
... I think the rumors are real. They will downsize those weapons.
@@RoyHobbs-f4v I'll be honestly surprised if they do, they just beefed them up - Maybe Taurus and Aquila, but Andromeda is a Gunship.
@@juliancain6128 ... that's fair. I agree.
@@juliancain6128 With the way they nerfed so many other ships into the ground, it would destroy their entire balance scheme to leave any Connie variant as is.
> The constellation series for many many years had access to 2 size 5s and 2 size 4s
In 3.23 they adjusted the lower weapons to accept size 5s
If they bring the weapons back to size 4s it would not be a big surprise. And at this point, makes sense to leave *all* ships of this size category to use the same sizes (Corsair pilot should control all guns, even if back to size 4s)
> the gimball changes upped the game for eveything
And now they are not happy with the results Perhaps it makes sense for fighters to have plenty of size 3s, but size 5s got too much for medium ships? The jump in quality from 4 to 5 is veeery big (better damage, worse speed)
Size fixation has always been a characteristic of Star Citizen 😆
Corsair and Connie have the same pitch/yaw/roll speeds according to Erkul. Starlancer is twice the size of those 2 and has slightly better P/Y/R speed. Can guarantee that will be nerfed after IAE and sales window. Sorry, "corrected".
Not sure if it's necessary. The Starlancer is such a huge target with the same shields. This alone makes it worse for combat.
It should not maneuver at faster rate than ships much smaller in size and mass. At least not without having many more MAVs. Then again, physics have no point in CIG marketing.
To be honest it’s to maneuverable it should be somewhere in between the Corsair and 600i but I would be happy if they kept it this way
Connie (andromeda) has 3x the HP, 2x the missiles and 4xs5 pilot controlled guns and a included snub fighter and 2 turrets with great coverage and 2xs3 weapons each. Oh and it's also got 96 scu of cargo vs corsair 72 scu.
The starlancer is the slowest of the three, has the same shields and a hitbox twice the size. If it gets nerfed it won't be by much.
They give the tiny zeus a tractor beam but can't give one to the max? "Ok I'm going to walk 300 yards out of the cockpit to pick up a box like a peasant".
Even after nerf, I'll still go with my SLMax. It's just too nice and feels like home.
I think what people are missing with the Starlancer is that its designed with roleplay and livability in mind. At least thats how it seems to me
It's designed for usability. It's the polar opposite to the Zeus, which has maximised, but hardly usable cargo space. Starlancer has very low cargo capacity for its size, but the cargo is very usable and accessible
Let's be real. If you're soloing, you're not going to be fighting in any of these ships unless you're specifically doing NPC combat missions. In terms of combat, forget the weapons, forget the dps. The only variables that matter are signature size, maneuverability, speed, visibilty, or any other factors that let you detect hostile ships and jump away before other players can disable you.
There's zero percent chance CIG retires the Connie. However, it will have to grow in size, just like the freelancer has to, and may end up being closer in size to the Starlancer.
... you're right: they won't retire the name... but it will "essentially" be a new-ship developed from "the ground-up" reflecting their latest game-design strategies and game-balance within the evolving ship-ecosystem.
@@RoyHobbs-f4v Yeah, I wouldn't expect capabilities or "general outside shape" to change radically, just the hab and engineering stuff which will require a complete redesign since they didn't think about that stuff when it was made.
The Connie looks ripe for a mark 2, as displeasing as that may be.
I just bought the Starlancer, it will probably be my mobile base for a long time.
I changed my fleet to a Starlancer MAX and TAC.
Now that I've flown the Starlancer Max, I don't really want to fly a Conni or Corsair anymore... you can see how old the design is... and I love the Max...^^
Corsair isn’t old design, it’s just drake 😂
i would still fly the connie because even though its an old design everything works on it. Has good firepower, has tractor beam, has bed, good cockpit view, etc
Even if I don’t want it to I will understand if they nerf the starlancer max since it does feel more maneuverable than it should be for a ship of its size but for now I will enjoy my max till the day and I will prob still enjoy it since I love flying the 600i in combat missions and its pretty sluggish
@@TrevTheMan00exactly the same. I melted my 600 for the SL Max
@@essentialasa You might come to regret that. The 600 is getting a rework someday and it will have med beds.
i'm still using Taurus and i love it for ERT
... she's the OG. No-one will ever forget the Taurus. She was a kind-mistress... to many.
Taurus is still the king of its class. I'll die on this hill and will never melt mine. Corsair? yuck. Starlancer? Double eww!
I've had all 3 ships, all are very good but it comes down to personal preference. I don't like the looks of the Conni and the loading ramp can only be loaded from the front and rear, which is awkward. But it's got A LOT of missiles and great firepower. I'm not a fan of the massive wonky wings of the Corsair and the depressing interior, but it's battlefield prowess is very strong. The Starlancer imo, is astonishing, I love it. 228scu AND a vehicle bay! The bays are very accessible and the interior is lush. All 3 ships have the same amount of fuses to manage for engineering, but the Starlancer has them all in the same place, which makes it much easier to deal with. StarMAX gets my vote, handling it in the PTU has been a lot of fun👍
Mine too, love the MAX
... the Starlancer... is an absolute thing-of-beauty. CIG pushed all-the-right-buttons on this-one...
Starlancer doesnt have all the relays in the same place. 2 are in engineering & 1 is in the bridge. But really good locations for them.
I love the Corsair design...but it flies like a brick. I see the Starlancer Max as an upgrade to the Taurus. Holds slightly more cargo AND a vehicle. Plus the connies really need an interior refresh. They can't compete against the highly detailed quarters of the Starlancer.
My point exactly . o7
This is why i actually downgraded to a Zeus MK2 CL from the taurus, because honestly, i find it easier for me to do many well rounded tasks and the interior and exits are just more to my liking. Its worse for combat but honestly, I'm not running RTs just bunkers/fps. I would like to use the star lancer max or tac. I honestly want a solid solo VHRT capable ship that isn't going to get nerfed or as connie variant. I don't really like the connie designs. never did.
Max you can use the lifts to take furniture up to the Hab and place in living area. Awesome ship.
About the Corsair nerf: 4xS4 + 2xS3 is exactly the same DPS than 2S5 + 2S4 with the extra bonus of still retaining the additional 2xS5 if there's a second crew member. They didn't choose the dumbest option, it's indeed the best between those two options. What they need to do now is to modify the copilot 2xS5 into a remote turret.
Nope. You would have more. Copilot could actually use the turret above, then you would have more DPS and copilot will not feel like retard pressing fire when pilot targets. o7
@@infinitespace239 nope. 4xS4 + 2xS3 is exactly the same DPS than 2S5 + 2S4. With the second option the copilot has 2xS5 or 2xS2, with the first one only 2xS2. The option chosen by CIG is just better as it provides more DPS with an extra crew member.
Some numbers (using attritions, reduce the numbers a 10% for cannons):
HARDPOINT SIZE REDUCTION (4S4+2S3):
(4S4) 1179 x 4 = 4716
(2S3) 786 x 2 = 1572
Total pilot firepower: 4716 + 1572 = 6288
Bonus: Copilot firepower: 582 x 2 = 1164
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CURRENT CORSAIR (2S5+2S4):
(2S5) 1965 x 2 = 3930
(2S4) 1179 x 2 = 2358
Total pilot firepower: 3930 + 2358 = 6288
Bonus: Copilot firepower: 1965 x 2 = 3930
@@neonweaver8624so is worth using the corsair?
@@donnatoo.donato4765 is still the second ship in the game with more pilot firepower (only the Connie has more), so sure.
Having had all of them, the SLM is my favorite. Finally melted my beloved Taurus because I'm just tired of waiting for it to get the refresh it so desperately needs. Considering they're allegedly CR's favorite ship, it's kind of sad that the Constellations have just been left to rot. I can only assume they're going to bin the current version and start teasing a Connie 2.0 before much longer.
I know ppl love the connie taurus but the starlancer is just so great. If ypur not into aesthetic whatsoever then sure the connie is great. But i want nice rooms, nice spaces and a ship to actually feel livable in this game. Starlancer checks more boxes than a taurus imo with similar downsides
Le Connie nécessite un gros rework de son intérieur. Ca ne peut pas être comparé au Starlancer qui vient de sortir et bénéficie donc de toutes les dernières avancées des studios de developpement.
Time saving comment here:
Combat: Taurus
Cargo: Max
Don't use the andromeda. Its a worse taurus.
All has the same maneuverability. Max has 1 degree more pitch and yaw which is nothing in turn it's slow af in scm
dromi has tons of missiles 2 gun emplacements and a snub also a shit load of more hitpoints which helps with the engines alone that makes no difference though
@@Warsheep2k6 the snub fighter has never worked
@@Warsheep2k6 The Andromeda has not so much more hitpoints. In total yes. But only because the Conny has so many parts. If you compare Nose or Body HP it's not a big difference.
@@onetapgrey7059 the redocking doesnt work you can unclamp it no problem
@@vonrosphe3098 it has around 20k more hitpoints neatly arranged around the engine nacelles... it really helps
I'm going to be flying the Starlancer MAX for a good while as my daily. My Conny will be parked at Seraphim for ERTs
On the topic of the components, there's also power draw to consider. Personally like the 7A "NARGUN" shields for lancer since it has 4 individual pips over 4+1. As for the quantum drive youre very off the mark. The cooldown time is the biggest difference between them all and it comes with the second best QT drive. Only a .25 difference between it and the next fastest cooldown
It has 3 more people on the cockpit, so 1 each of them control 1 of the bottom pilot guns , and giving pilot control of only the top 2 S4 guns, that would align with SC "meaningful and tactical" multi crew system
... I know I say this about every new Explorer/Industrial shiny-thing from CIG... but... I think I'm in-love with the MAX. And... I just said the same-thing a week-ago about the Zeus-ES. I hope I can keep the Zeus from finding-out about my relationship with the MAX... for a little-longer.
Lol yeah amazing ship
really debating melting mine in favor of the SLM
Star lancer max requires at least 1 other player, especially once engineering comes online. Bc of that, constellation still remains king for Solo players.
The Starlancer and the Constellation have the same amount of fuses to manage... so when engineering comes online, they will both be the same in this context.
Starlancer Tac vs Connie is more where it's at IMO. And honestly that's just multi-crew power vs solo-pilot power, the Tac is just better in a lot of ways, but it doesn't has as much pilot firepower, and is a bigger/slower target. The post-nerf corsair is just a shameful pile of parts to cry over.
And to reply to the main question: 600i xD
I really really like open cockpits, and all 3 of these ships in the video have struts or, in Max case, a handicap. But 600i is by far worst in agility, cargo and HP... which is acceptable under the promise of a rework (which all old ships will eventually get)
Of these 3 I probably pick the constellation because I like it since 2012, so nostalgia really makes this unfair to the others. The nerfs to corsair were brutal, the eventual downsize on Constellation guns is bearable and the future nerf to Starlancer agility will be annoying but ok
In PU 3.23.2a, Corsair has 2x S5 & 2x S4 pilot guns. I still use it for ERTs, but prefer a Taurus for its cargo capacity and firepower
Newer doesn't always mean better. Is the Connie outdated? you say yes but I love the Connie's simplistic layout that lets you get around the ship quickly. Half the good looking rooms in the new ships is just eye candy and lacks any purpose in the game right now. Not to mention doors and elevators everywhere slowing me down.
Agreed. The radars i feel sgould be unique to yheir design branding. I wish the bridge was almost a visor design that slides back for a better view.
QD's are not all the same. Distance/fuel yeah, but cooldown time after a long jump differs. How quick you can jump to the next spot.
connie has the table back, 10/10 can't recomend it more. (but yeah i feel like you said all the things ive been feeling about these ships.)
What's the use of the table?
@ Tis where you set your things
I think the Connie fo solos is still the king.
I like the rear door on the Corsair but could do without the wings lol.
I think the may nerf the manuvering of the SL at somepoint.
Yeah Connie Taurus for solos I think, for multi use.
The SL is better for pure cargo.
I upgraded my Taurus to the MAX. I have a feeling they are going to nerf the MAX's maneuverability though. The C2 used to be too maneuverable for it's size and it's been nerfed a bit.
I don't think they will nerf the max tbh, Size isn't the only thing to consider in manoeuvrability, it's the overall design. The starlancer max makes sense to be more manoeuvrable visually, compared to a big rectangle or a cheese wedge.
The Starlancers speed is 1 of the slowest in game for big ships - so its maneuverability countered by its ultra slow flight speed
Right now the SL Max is the obvious choice. Then switch to the Taurus shortly before the rework releases.
Im a die hard Drake fan and fuck them for nerfing Corsair in such a dumb way. They should have just taken the S4 guns away from the pilot but then again thats Drakes whole fucking thing put as many guns on a ship as they can...
Ya I dunno what to do with my corsair.. I also just don't want to fly it after the nerf. GG cig
The Starlancers are just huge compared to the Corsair and Connie.
I'll grab a SL BLD for sure but my Connie will be the biggest ship I'll daily.
starlancer habs area definitely had space for a small medbay ( like in the pisces) instead of 2 elevators in the back , such a wasted opportunity imo
thats for the Starlancer TAC and it costs more. CIG need funding so thats why
Maybe ive just been a backer too long but i really like how the connie looks, tho i wish we could put the Aquilla bridge on the Andromeda 😂
Wish the andromeda nacelles would fold up so it could land closer to the ground, and get rid of the bars across the center of your vision. It looks a bit ridiculous on the hind (only), gear standing up so high off of the ground. Ingress and egress isn’t much different between it and the Starlancer but it feels more painful to me for some reason.
... I think you will see those complaints addressed in its replacement.
Hopefully the corsair gets rebalanced properly. Same for F8C. IMO they should all only have s4 guns, with corsair back to the original 4xs4 +2xs3 all pilot controlled again.
Solo idris for package delivery on top 💪💪💪
you do realise that 4 size 4s and 2 size 3s would actually be worse off than just 2 size 5s alone? not even taking into consideration upcoming armor changes that will result in smaller caliber guns not being able to penetrate as efficiently.
so what you're saying regarding the corsair is you'd rather they had nerfed it 2x more than what they did?
I think people are way over reacting to the nerf regarding the corsair, I'm still currently soloing ERT's with it just takes a little longer, what id like them to do is leave those size 5s with the co pilot and change the upper turret to be a scanning dish like whats on the terrapin and the cutter scout, that would truly make it an "exploration" ship.
I haventt flown the max yet, but i am excited to hoping to get a new setup soon looks amazing and now i can take a roc and some cargo to me its nice
Go to the 3.24.3 PTU, get into Arena Commander and rent it. In the PTU you get a ton of REC to test with so it's free. You won't be able to do hauling or missions, but you can get a good feel for the ship.
I try to stay away from the ptu cause it always ends up not letting me log back into pu
The Connie has been broken for so long. I melted all of mine. I wont get them back .They need to finish what they have. Instead, they will nerf it to sell something new and phase them out.
Starlancer max should cost more and with that it doesnt need a nerf because it is not master of anything amongst all 3 competator.
I LOve my Starlancer Max, upgradet from a Taurus.
Love your Vids bro and you make fair points but TBH in this comparison the max is a cargo ship you should be comparing the TAC with the Corsair and the Connie, Thats same kinda Ships and in that the TAC OWN them Both SO bad LOL med beds MASSIVE Pew PEw, Drop ability AND a SNUB fighter no comparison AND EVEN MORE CARGO I mean WTF lol
MAX = Taurus, TAC = Andromeda, Corsair = Aquila
You said best would be 4 size 4 and 2 size 3... try that in the calculator... i think its same or even less damge than its now woth 2x5 and 2x4. PLUS your ship would be qlso weaker with crew, now its only weaker when solo
Yes, less pilot weapons, but than your copilot could use turret with sx3. That means more dps. That would be logical nerf and copilot could actually do something. Or mybe 6x4 for pilot and all good. But nooo, stupid.
@infinitespace239 I am also not happy with the nerf. There are many ways this could have been handled better. I love the corsair for it's looks. It feels like a bounty hunter or smuggler ship from star wars. Ship like the mandolorian had for example, or also a bit like the ship from Fallen Order. I like the non symmetric design, the wings, the industrial interior... simply everything feels perfect for my taste and I don't understand why they even nerfed it at all, it has other downsides like the bad manoverability, the speed, you are a big target. The shields and hull are also weaker than andromeda, no snub, less missles... the firepower was really the only outstanding thing that was speaking for this ship from the technical standpoint. Since the constellations all have 4x s5 guns the corsair should keep at least these guns and I even think the 2 additional s 4 on the wings where justified because of all the other downsides that it has. It's the compromise people made for the max firepower. It's really sad. They must fix the corsair..giving the front guns to the Co pilot is really extremely stupid. Why should the Co pilot separately control 2 out of 4 guns that all point in the same direction. Such decisions really make me doubt the mental state of the people behind this
1) In your video you said there is a plan by CIG to nerf the Andromeda down to size 4 pilot weapons, is that confirmed?
2) If they are going to nerf the weapons of the Andromeda, don't you think they will nerf the Andromeda and the Starlancer's maneuverability given they are larger than the Corsair?
If the Andromeda is nerfed, what do you think would be better fully crewed for a good combat AND all rounder: the MAX or the Andromeda?
Connie nerfs aren't confirmed or even mentioned by cig. Its just players complaining about the corsair "nerf"
1) I don't think its confirmed anywhere but just speculation as what happened to Corsair.
2) If they did nerf the Andromeda they would boost it in another capacity ,like manoeuvrability, to compensate.
If the Andromeda is nerfed the the Max would be better combat and all rounder because of the bigger turrets and ability to have rover and cargo.
@@TonicCantaloupe This are roomers, but it could happen. I still prefer Max to be honest.
No, there is no such plan.
The Andromeda was always planned to have Size 5 weapons.
Only recently did it get the actual planned weapons loadout since it still had the not planned Size 4 weapons.
The "rumors" are thus far only people who complain that the corsair lost its 6 pilot weapons.
IMO a better way to buff it again would be to make it faster since it has those huge engines. Not nerf another ship.
@mjn5016 ... the rumors are strong, my friend. Don't plan on the Connie's weapons remaining "the same".
Because CIG is nerfing, changing and destroying the game there seems no point in choosing the ships by stats. Can only buy ships you like the design of and enjoy as it is, because gameplay is broken too. Adding more and more timesinks kills my ambition to play seriously (master modes, removing local inventory, personal hangars, removing planets visible jumppoints from om points, making the HUD of ships super ugly and a color explosion), I just log in fly around a bit and enjoy my ship.
Thats the best gameplay for me to fly around and enjoy o7
If all of that is removing crybabies i see it as a bonus. Everything in that game that has been played up until now and into the future are placeholders - there is not a ship, component or weapon that has its final stats and there is not a category of items in the game that are not getting additional items in their own class and entirely new classes. If you didnt know that - back when Port Olisar was the only location in game - then you know it now.
For solo ert combat and daily driver I'll take the connie. That center pilot chair and better view keeps me going back to Connie. The slit view and left side pilot chair of sl max is a big no for me. I find sl max beautiful and ugly at the same time if I am that conflicted with ship I stick with the connie for now. I had corsair too and still fly it out every now and then, but got deleted last patch. 😢
Edit: if nerf hammer drops. Sl max maneuverability will probably get hit. For connie probably shields its a gunship as base so gun size will probably left alone. But there are rumors that rsi has dev bias so maybe it won't get nerf.
Where is you hear that the Constellation will get a nerf? They should leave the guns alone, the Corsair and StarLancer max have other advantages
Rummers. Sorry that I didn't mention it in the video.
Starlancer might have other advantages, but the only corsair only did 2 things better than the connies, that was range and firepower, although the connies did bridge that with a lot of missiles, now the corsair only does 1 thing out of everything better than the connies
@ the Corsair still has better range than the Connie’s, and it has the better interior by far, and has a rear loading ramp which is superior to an elevator when landing on planets. It also is also VERY close to the firepower of the Connie’s.
@@gp8231 And the price too ! Corsair: 6M aUEC, Andromeda: 10M aUEC.
to be honest CIG have killl the corsair and don't respect DRAKE drake is known for being overarmed, low resistance and basic interior for me the best choise for a nerf is 6 size 4 i'm ok for the nerf of the shield BUT his name is the corsair THE CORSAIR respect that i love this ship but he became a shadow of himself the cony have more dps now for the pilot more maneuverable more hp if CIG don't make a little change for the corsair i really hope a nerf for the cony with 4 size 4 i don't like the cockpit of the connie but is a good ship now is the best for ERT etc the starlancer is a very good ship for now i have nothing to say he respect the MISC spirit big cargo nice interior the competition is tough between it's 3 ships but really sad for the corsair nice video bro like always
I am going split on PP and coolers
One best performance one military
Eddit: source of info that connie is going to 4x S4?
Plz what's the app your using to compare these mods called
Love your content, but in this case you might be premature in the review. We need to wait for after the post-launch nerf of the Starlancer. Also since cooling is not too important right now, I have been swapping out to stealth coolers as they get the job done using less power than other coolers, freeing power for. my weapons, shields and engines.
@@edtcrandall It is always good time. That's a good tip. Thanks.
I love the Starlancer, but very much dislike it's tiny viewport in the cockpit and its useless wings. still bought an upgrade to it, but it could be better
when did they say they were gonna drop the connie's guns down to size 4s?
We call the Constellation "Connie" not "Cony"
I am the idiot who upgraded his MSR to a Lance TAC, even though I have a Polaris and not many friends. RIP Me
Lol don't worry about it. Enjoy. You will find friends. Join my discord. There is always someone to play with. o7
Ya i hate my corsair now.. I dont want to melt it tho cuz what i turn it into will also get ruined in time TOO.. GG cig
Why Andromeda? I'd compare the most cargo capable connie, the Taurus. And until they nerf the guns it's still thecost benefit king of the mid haulers.
@@Tentacl I had Andromeda, but I said it is same as Taurus only smaller and don't have tractor beam and more hp. But Andromeda is the same price.
@@infinitespace239 Yeah, but it has really low cargo for the size, 96, against the Taurus 168. Remember, the Zeus CL has 128 as a small ship, it's hard to reason for Andromeda if you want to use it as a cargo ship.
conny taurus.... best ship in game and will never change. Chris Roberts has said his favorite ship is constellation phoenix. So i don't see connys getting nerfed anytime soon! great vid as always brother!
@@rscrillz6979 My favorite is also Phoenix. o7
with you there with the Taurus, I was nearly tempted to upgrade it to the max but I just can't do it, sure it doesn't carry as much cargo but it more than makes up for that with the ease and speed you can load and unload, the amazing tractor beam, size 5 weapons and is easy to solo pilot with but can be great with a friend or two as well
taurus is a great ship if you don't care about looks, because the interior sucks. Needs to be completely redone. I ran taurus missions to buy a C2 (before price increases).
I agree it does need some love, it is one of the older ships out there but at this point in the game it is the most versatile ship of all...
@@rscrillz6979 call me crazy but i actually like that it looks a bit bare bones and ancient on the inside, gives me a bit of an older sci-fi feel to it :) that said I would love them to give it a gold pass!
Great Review! 😃😃😃
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks
Corsair Exit Max Top , Conny Best solo ship
You play with Motion Blur on. What a heresy!
😂 and no mention of the other ship CIG said was in the coni class. CIG you lie and destroy dreams.
4:31 got a source for this "plan"?
Rummers that I heard from other players.
I wouldn't go for any of these lol I'd wait for CIG to work on core features before further funding it's "development."
The Max is the new ship. They will nerf the starlancer. Pitch and yaw are too good. The freelancer is smaller and has almost the same values. In the future it will be the same as the starfarer.
They probably wont nerf the turn, since its scm speed is slow as living hell.
There is no official Plan to nerf the Connie, just salty Corsair-Players who want to let us suffer too!
Share the offcial information, if you rly heared from a plan in this matter....
I prefer cons andromeda for their weapons but ı keeping my ccu from cons andromeda to starlancer max upgrade cuz ı think cons series gonna get nerf.
The connies are to be re-balanced in the up-coming patch. Its too overpowered than the starlancer while also being a multi-crew. Best of luck to those who solo them!
What makes you say the Corsair is the slowest and least maneuverable while the MAX is more nimble?
On erkul and spviewer, the Corsair's speed and maneuverability are listed as exactly the same as the Andromeda, while the MAX has 1 degree better maneuverability but almost half the scm speed (200 scm for corsair/connie and 115 for max.) The nav speed of the MAX is also slower, but not by much.
Is it more of a feel thing? Or are the stats glitched?
@@igorborracini5722 It is a wrong. Take Corsair and Max and try to maneuver them you will see massive differences. It should not be happening but it is for some reason. Maybe mass or something else, but MaX is heavy.
the corsair has more drift if that makes sense to you it always lags a bit behind when you want to change direction
@@infinitespace239 Thanks, I've only ever flown the Corsair and Connie, good to know the stats aren't always the full picture.
I know you probably just chose random ballistic turrets for a solo player, but for future reference Revenants are better than AD4B's: similar dps, same total firing ammo time, but faster velocity.
Also, for coolers Steath grade A coolers are very good too, not for the stealth but because they are the most efficient power wise (2 power on a stealth A (which is fully powered) outputs more cooling than 2 power on a military A (which would be half powered))
@@igorborracini5722 Exactly. You gest it ☺️ Thanks for the tip. o7
None when engineering is implemented in its tier 0 buggy state
Attritions are still bugged....they dont work... well they didnt last night
Fixed in 3.24.3
@@infinitespace239 oh ok, so in the PTU not live.
Starlancer cant really be compared to the connie or corsair. Its much larger and requires a larger crew to fully come online. This is like compairing the C1 to the aroura or avenger
@@heathmorris6100 It is the same price category therefore you can.
@infinitespace239 completely disagree. Prices in this game mean absolutely nothing. The tumbril nova and drake cutlass black only have a $10 standalone price difference and nobody is making comparisons with those
@@heathmorris6100 I agree, but this 3 ships have same purpose. Multi ship with cargo hauling in mind.
Both the Corsair and the Starlancer are built for a Crew of 4, share the same component sizes, shielding and have similar weaponry. It's more like comparing the Zeus with the Cutlass/ Spirit/ Freelancer: same class, better amenities and more expensive. Or if you prefer, the Starlancer is the Nomad of the medium/large tier.
The Starlancer requires no more to operate than the Constellation series... they both have the same amount of fuses to manage when engineering comes online.
best ship in the game is the $0 ship; don't give CIG any more funding to let them know that they are treating the pledgers real bad.
NIce one!
I gave up watching this videi when you told all your viewers that the lower front guns do not move. This is not true and you have had several weeks to have found that out.
I almost gave up when you said that, despite what the stats say, the Corsair handles worse than the Connie. I have tested this myself in space and at sea level and the Corsair will do a full loop or a full yaw rotation or full roll faster than the Connie!
Sorry mate it is only gimble, gimble less dps. Not able to move it like turret. Try sitting there and having fun. Not possible. o7
*600i exp.*
None of those, Taurus all the way
Taurus is Cony mate.
as of right now its the conne but the max is hard to beat as multi role the corsair has fallen from grace its garbage
neitherr. The Taurus is the best.
@@kallek3936 Taurus is a Cony or ? I just took Andromeda because I have it.
7:17
The co-pilot has control of the lower s5 guns and its on a gimbal. Saying its fixed facing forward is wrong.
Gimbal is shit. And it is as fixed in front. It should be a turret.
100% if you are gonna split them make it useful and fun for a second crew member. Current change is just dumb.
Polaris claps them all..
If you have a team. If not you are sitting duck.
None of these ships are suitable for solo players.
Corsair
none of them are solo ship they are multicrew u guys are stuck with engineering is not coming ...... Taurus is easy acess to everywhere on the ship the pilot could run the entire ship in 2 sec while you cannot on the max . It willbe easier to work on the taurus . Taurus is more nimble and its faster . easy to load . If you want purely cargo then the max but thats all its going to be good for . Dont get cut in a fight with the Max Starlancer all the pirate have to do is to stay under it and shoot it easy kill i have killed 3 like that already and i was in an aurora not a solo ship
Max is also easy to work on. All components at the back of the ship.
Id take my connie andro over all of them any day