Well Alan a chara, you did indeed write several of your own masterworks wherein the work itself "solves" the society around it, Gull gives birth to the 20th century, Adrian achieves world peace, V brings down the fascist govenement, Miracleman creates a post scarcity Utopia wherein all can have anything including being an immortal superhuman, Promethea Solves reality by bringing the dialectical distintionsn between it and non reality to a happy synthesis. I think even the BoJeffereis got bougie and go up in the world at the end. You do good work that is there to bring the best out of people. That's what it does for me.
The future will look back at Hollywood and wonder how it was ever allowed to disseminate such horrible representations of the human mind manifested as entertainment. Is why very few creative people can imagine beauty, magnificence, and even love. A lot of what we experience are their own inner feelings many haven't had particularly good upbringings or have developed an unhealthy ego.
You cannot have a "committee" of thinkers. Each thinker, for better or for worse, has to work independent of other thinkers. When you collectivize thinking, you get Hollywood scripts.
It was only within the last decade that I heard about the theory that Batman kills the Joker at the end of The Killing Joke. I never came to this conclusion and that hard cut from Batman and Joker laughing to a puddle outside as an indication that that Batman finally put an end to his greatest foe. There's really nothing to support this theory but it was interesting to hearing it.
@ThaKid14 I'm listening to it as an audio book, as it comes free with Audible. The characters are quite... engaging; more so than all his pompous superheroes. But it's just too long (if you sat in front of the audiobook listening non-stop, you'd be there for days on end.) And most of this is due to over-description, which holds up the plot.
it’s probably more like a bootstrap paradox. you know now what you will know in the future. when did you really learn it? maybe we’re making use of little paradoxes.
Why is he so hypocrite about superheroes? or whatever creation. Moore complains about comic companies or movie studios for taking his characters and make whatever they want, but he did that with charlton heroes in watchmen, Rorscharch is the Question and he didnt respect the character at all... neither shared the profit he made with it with the creators, as he didnt with the swamp thing, Batman, Superman, etc. he complain about authors not gettin profit from massive companies who made millions from the creations, but he didnt share a buck with bill finger or bob kane with the profit he made from the killing joke, of with steve ditko with the profit he made from watchmen. He's a great writer, the best before Stan Lee, in my opinion, but he didn't live by his world or philosophy... thats something I will never understand of he Edit: about the profit complain, he said to CBR that that was one of the big reasons besides not respecting the core of characters about cinema adaptations...
The Sumerian/ cuneiform tablets have much older hero stories, some of which are imitated in the Bible. It’s so amusing that Christians seem to think that the Bible was the beginning of history. The Vedas go back 1000 years. More hero stories.
Very little of this video concerns superheroes: so again, what exactly is the point of the thumbnail text? 😏 Yeah... I can see what you mean about very simplistic plots.. 😏 But really that is a feature of Western narrative in general: and MOST of it has to do with religion: specifically the Christian religion. The Christian religion (a totalitarian belief system) creates simplistic "heroes" and "villains" from the start. It's always God/Jesus versus Satan. This phenomenon is known as moral Dualism. Neopagans have known about it for many years. Google Isaac Bonewits on the topic. As for superheroes per se... They have definitely been known in various cultures for thousands of years. Not just the ancient Greek heroes and demigods (as Stan Lee for one pointed out decades ago.) Google also the Russian "bogatyri". They had superpowers. Demigods have long been a part of the human imagination.
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Alan Moore is brilliant, but at the same time he overvalues himself and his views. He creates art, and then when people enjoy his art, he hates his fans for loving his art. Moore is the poster boy for the phrase: "Never meet your heroes." He created a character who despite his horrible childhood decides to make a difference by fighting injustice and protecting the innocent and at the end of Watchmen is the only character who refuses to let go of his principles. If Moore considers his fans fascist for considering that a true hero, maybe Moore did a really bad job of writing Rorschach as an unlikeable character. Rorschach is not a bad character; Rorschach is what liberals would consider a bad man, which is someone who fights to protect exactly that which is worth fighting for instead of sacrificing everything on the political correct altar of some non-existing "greater good."
On one hand he's "brilliant" on the other hand he "overvalues himself and his views." Presumably because you disagree with his views of his own work. Moore did not want to create a one-dimensional character in Rorschach nor in any of the other Watchmen, all of whom have flaws (you know, kind of like real people). The fact that you adore Rorschach (and fascism in general), and yet try to somehow place the blame on "liberals" undermines any hope your argument could have had. Rorschach is effectively based on Steve Ditko's bizarre principles that there is no gray area, no moral ambiguity, only good and evil. By that standard then any defense you have for Rorschach himself is ruined. He can't be a good man who does morally reprehensible things, because no such person can possibly exists in his purview. In fact his saving grace is that he actually knows and understands that he is a massively screwed-up creature who cannot possibly function in a utopian world in the aftermath of Ozymandius' pseudo-Apocalypse. Fascists love simplicity. Simple answers and as little ambiguity as possible. The problem is they mete out "justice" only as it suits them. It may seem cool and just to simply kill a criminal on the streets, no trial, no jail time...until it starts happening to people who are wrongly accused (often people of a single race deemed offensive by the fascists in power). Choose your heroes more wisely.
I think your political bias made you unconfortable to you to hear Moore not praising any conservative value like Rorschach stands. That made him a true artist: His art tell to people more than he is pretending to do, or even, contrary views to his own. If he only worked making clear his own ideas, it will be propaganda, not art.
This is why you should meet your heroes, so you can see their truth. Imagine if you actually met Rorschach how you would feel about him and he about you.
Rorschach is a human flaws and all. The man is a psychopathic bigot, but he is human. Earlier in the story it is mentioned that he thought the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were for the greater good of peace( he writes a letter to Truman) but when he actually sees that choice played out millions of people dead (who he himself didn’t care about) it mentally breaks a guy who cannot see grey. It’s why he takes off his “face” before dying.
They certainly misunderstood his origin story! Republicans voted for him as a conservative backlash against the Obama administration , a moral panic against Islam, because of terrorism and reality show fandom. The latter's appeal is showbiz careers for everybody, without need of talent. These guys are blaming comic book movies for a fascist President!
Alan Moore: "Maybe my big brain made Brexit happen." Yeah, or maybe you had all the same trite, cliche' thoughts about the political climate around Brexit as every other shitlib. Only Alan Moore could think he was a god for making the British equivalent of an "Orange Man Bad" allegory.
Alan Moore STILL knows the score. I will do what I can to try to reverse the infantilisation of the imagination. And bring back a sense of wonder!
Verily!!!
@@thereallycoolHow do you do that: when the New Testament for one, bids people "be ye as little children"... 😏
Alan Moore: Srories are infantile.
Also Alan Moore: I'm a magician, Harry.
I feel privileged to listen to this conversation - thank you for the upload 😊
Thanks for uploading these!
Great conversation, can't wait for the next part
Well Alan a chara, you did indeed write several of your own masterworks wherein the work itself "solves" the society around it, Gull gives birth to the 20th century, Adrian achieves world peace, V brings down the fascist govenement, Miracleman creates a post scarcity Utopia wherein all can have anything including being an immortal superhuman, Promethea Solves reality by bringing the dialectical distintionsn between it and non reality to a happy synthesis. I think even the BoJeffereis got bougie and go up in the world at the end. You do good work that is there to bring the best out of people. That's what it does for me.
Alan Moore is truly based.
The future will look back at Hollywood and wonder how it was ever allowed to disseminate such horrible representations of the human mind manifested as entertainment. Is why very few creative people can imagine beauty, magnificence, and even love. A lot of what we experience are their own inner feelings many haven't had particularly good upbringings or have developed an unhealthy ego.
You cannot have a "committee" of thinkers. Each thinker, for better or for worse, has to work independent of other thinkers. When you collectivize thinking, you get Hollywood scripts.
What beauty, magnificence and love is, is entirely up to the beholder.
Nobody needs snobs telling people what they should and shouldn't enjoy.
That's why whenever batman comes around, people get rid of him.
@Remco Schedel-the SKULL It’s not snobbery, we do need more new forms in art. We need new forms.
It’s no wonder.
It’s capitalism.
Always has been.
It was only within the last decade that I heard about the theory that Batman kills the Joker at the end of The Killing Joke. I never came to this conclusion and that hard cut from Batman and Joker laughing to a puddle outside as an indication that that Batman finally put an end to his greatest foe. There's really nothing to support this theory but it was interesting to hearing it.
I don't know if it's him that started it, but it was Grant Morrison who interpreted that ending in The Killing Joke
Jeez! 🙄 What an annoying lie!! 🙄🙄
@@m1lst3r89Yes. It was. And I thought Moore hated everything Morrison said? 😏
11:11 Hits hard.
Hmm nice vid.
Read Jerusalem, its a game changer.
I'm just about to start. I've procrastinated starting, I have a full hard cover sitting on my shelf......I'm ready! How good is it?
@@ThaKid14 I's hard to say life-changing without sounding hyperbolic... but close enough
You are so lucky
@ThaKid14 I'm listening to it as an audio book, as it comes free with Audible. The characters are quite... engaging; more so than all his pompous superheroes. But it's just too long (if you sat in front of the audiobook listening non-stop, you'd be there for days on end.) And most of this is due to over-description, which holds up the plot.
Do you think that remote viewing is simply connecting to the infinite imagination of creation, which never stops but has always been?
no
it’s probably more like a bootstrap paradox. you know now what you will know in the future. when did you really learn it?
maybe we’re making use of little paradoxes.
Cyprus is Jerusalem ;)
8:23 and the Trump fetishizm has only gotten worse.
Why is he so hypocrite about superheroes? or whatever creation. Moore complains about comic companies or movie studios for taking his characters and make whatever they want, but he did that with charlton heroes in watchmen, Rorscharch is the Question and he didnt respect the character at all... neither shared the profit he made with it with the creators, as he didnt with the swamp thing, Batman, Superman, etc. he complain about authors not gettin profit from massive companies who made millions from the creations, but he didnt share a buck with bill finger or bob kane with the profit he made from the killing joke, of with steve ditko with the profit he made from watchmen. He's a great writer, the best before Stan Lee, in my opinion, but he didn't live by his world or philosophy... thats something I will never understand of he
Edit: about the profit complain, he said to CBR that that was one of the big reasons besides not respecting the core of characters about cinema adaptations...
Wouldn't the bible and Christianity be the true source of the simple, hero narrative?
The Bible has real stories every in the Bible is truth
That's what I was saying!
The Sumerian/ cuneiform tablets have much older hero stories, some of which are imitated in the Bible. It’s so amusing that Christians seem to think that the Bible was the beginning of history. The Vedas go back 1000 years. More hero stories.
@@edwinbloemendaal1519 The Epic of Gilgamesh.. 🙂
"The Donald"? And THAT'S a "superhero name"?? 😄😄😄
And if we were to call Moore, "The Alan", would that be a superhero name, too? 😏
Very little of this video concerns superheroes: so again, what exactly is the point of the thumbnail text? 😏
Yeah... I can see what you mean about very simplistic plots.. 😏 But really that is a feature of Western narrative in general: and MOST of it has to do with religion: specifically the Christian religion. The Christian religion (a totalitarian belief system) creates simplistic "heroes" and "villains" from the start. It's always God/Jesus versus Satan. This phenomenon is known as moral Dualism. Neopagans have known about it for many years. Google Isaac Bonewits on the topic.
As for superheroes per se... They have definitely been known in various cultures for thousands of years. Not just the ancient Greek heroes and demigods (as Stan Lee for one pointed out decades ago.) Google also the Russian "bogatyri". They had superpowers. Demigods have long been a part of the human imagination.
From you family family wish you a god health for Dedy dedy hand hand sonding new king master Rendy all man end Asia fasipic uniErofa love Darling perparticion god internasional tube one family World Citty Exfreess Darling you
Alan Moore is brilliant, but at the same time he overvalues himself and his views.
He creates art, and then when people enjoy his art, he hates his fans for loving his art.
Moore is the poster boy for the phrase: "Never meet your heroes."
He created a character who despite his horrible childhood decides to make a difference by fighting injustice and protecting the innocent and at the end of Watchmen is the only character who refuses to let go of his principles.
If Moore considers his fans fascist for considering that a true hero, maybe Moore did a really bad job of writing Rorschach as an unlikeable character.
Rorschach is not a bad character; Rorschach is what liberals would consider a bad man, which is someone who fights to protect exactly that which is worth fighting for instead of sacrificing everything on the political correct altar of some non-existing "greater good."
On one hand he's "brilliant" on the other hand he "overvalues himself and his views." Presumably because you disagree with his views of his own work. Moore did not want to create a one-dimensional character in Rorschach nor in any of the other Watchmen, all of whom have flaws (you know, kind of like real people). The fact that you adore Rorschach (and fascism in general), and yet try to somehow place the blame on "liberals" undermines any hope your argument could have had. Rorschach is effectively based on Steve Ditko's bizarre principles that there is no gray area, no moral ambiguity, only good and evil. By that standard then any defense you have for Rorschach himself is ruined. He can't be a good man who does morally reprehensible things, because no such person can possibly exists in his purview. In fact his saving grace is that he actually knows and understands that he is a massively screwed-up creature who cannot possibly function in a utopian world in the aftermath of Ozymandius' pseudo-Apocalypse. Fascists love simplicity. Simple answers and as little ambiguity as possible. The problem is they mete out "justice" only as it suits them. It may seem cool and just to simply kill a criminal on the streets, no trial, no jail time...until it starts happening to people who are wrongly accused (often people of a single race deemed offensive by the fascists in power). Choose your heroes more wisely.
I think your political bias made you unconfortable to you to hear Moore not praising any conservative value like Rorschach stands. That made him a true artist: His art tell to people more than he is pretending to do, or even, contrary views to his own. If he only worked making clear his own ideas, it will be propaganda, not art.
rorschach hates veidt yet his entire vigilante career was doing what was veidt master plan in a small scales,few people deciding the fate of majority.
This is why you should meet your heroes, so you can see their truth. Imagine if you actually met Rorschach how you would feel about him and he about you.
Rorschach is a human flaws and all. The man is a psychopathic bigot, but he is human. Earlier in the story it is mentioned that he thought the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were for the greater good of peace( he writes a letter to Truman) but when he actually sees that choice played out millions of people dead (who he himself didn’t care about) it mentally breaks a guy who cannot see grey. It’s why he takes off his “face” before dying.
They miss the point of Trump.
They certainly misunderstood his origin story! Republicans voted for him as a conservative backlash against the Obama administration , a moral panic against Islam, because of terrorism and reality show fandom. The latter's appeal is showbiz careers for everybody, without need of talent. These guys are blaming comic book movies for a fascist President!
@@Clickie13 i don’t think that phrase means what you think it means
the dunce cap?
What is the point of Trump?
@@oneoflokis To annoy morons
Dear me. These gentlemen have fallen rather badly behind...
In what sense?
Talk about contributing nothing..
Alan Moore: "Maybe my big brain made Brexit happen." Yeah, or maybe you had all the same trite, cliche' thoughts about the political climate around Brexit as every other shitlib. Only Alan Moore could think he was a god for making the British equivalent of an "Orange Man Bad" allegory.
Lol such sophistication. Keep thinking deeply dork.
Donald Trump is a bad person that has had a horrific and outsised bad effect on the world. Do you think that's even up for debate?