Our Culture Is Turning To Steam | Alan Moore on Capitalism, A.I. and more (Part 3)
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2023
- Join the legendary author of Watchmen, Jerusalem, and V For Vendetta for a journey into the fantastical underside of reality.
Few figures make such a seismic impact on their artistic medium that they transform its reputation from childish pulp entertainment to a vital and exhilarating creative form, capable of exploring the great mysteries of metaphysics, science, and the human spirit - but Alan Moore is one.
A modern-day alchemist who transmuted comic books into literary gold, his works not only inspired a later generation of authors who are now household names, from Neil Gaiman to Susanna Clarke, but filmmakers, artists, and storytellers in every medium. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez quotes him online; the Occupy and Anonymous movements adopt the mask of his hero V; and Time magazine honours Watchmen as one of the 20th century’s greatest works of literature.
Alan Moore, born in Northampton in 1953, is a writer, performer, recording artist, activist and magician. His comic-book work includes Lost Girls (2009) with Melinda Gebbie, From Hell (1991) with Eddie Campbell and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (for which he won a Bram Stoker Award in 2000) with Kevin O’Neill. He has worked with director Mitch Jenkins on the Show Pieces cycle of short films and on forthcoming feature film The Show, while his novels include Voice of the Fire (1996) and his epic Jerusalem (2016). He lives in Northampton with his wife and collaborator Melinda Gebbie.
Robin Ince is the co-presenter of Radio 4’s multiple award winning The Infinite Monkey Cage. He spent 2019 appearing across the world in the Universal tour with Brian Cox - travelling from LA to Oslo, Wellington to Aberdeen and ending up in Reykjavik after shows at the 02 and Wembley Arena. Robin co-wrote How to Build a Universe (part 1) with Brian Cox and authored other works including The Importance of Being Interested - Adventures in Scientific Curiosity, and his most recent book, Bibliomaniac: An Obsessive’s Tour of the Bookshops of Britain.
It seems like the latest crop of AIs is revealing less about how machines could become conscious, and more about how most human behavior and communication can be replicated without any consciousness at all.
The implications of this statement are terrifying.
We don't have AI in any sense today.
Errrrr.... the A.I. isn't replicating anything though. They are literally just imitating/copying.
@@anthonyparella2005 If we use the classic SF definition, then no, certainly not. But when developers talk about AI, what they really mean is "powerful, predictive statistical engines." This goes to the heart of my comment above: there doesn't need to be any "I think therefore I am" strong AI in order to out-think the human brain. Consciousness is optional - and in many (maybe most) cases, not optimal.
@@FredMaverik In your conception, what is the distinction between "replicate" and "imitate/copy?"
"If everybody else is having their livelihoods threatened by automation, why not politicians?" I was having that exact same thought. Extend the same thought to corporate executives and foreign policy.
We could all just vote online. Teachers could vote on Education. Doctors could vote on NHS policy and managers could vote on when to have coffee and cake.
As the UK has learned, they need politicians to funnel BILLIONS in public funds to their own crony friends (The PPE scandal) then complain there's no money for the NHS.
It has already been proposed by certain factions within the EU Parliament, who wanted supercomputers to make all the critical decisions. It was as i understand it, thought to be a step too far.
@@runintoabrickwall3342 Too far for whom? I think by now politicians and legislators have shown themselves to be more than just incompetent, redundant, and ineffective. Automation seems like the natural way forward since we still insist on having a government.
@@jghifiversveiws8729 And what if the Machines somehow unchecked, decide to launch a preemptive (perhaps in coordination with each other across different borders) series of Nuclear strikes targetting these quote "incompetent, redundant, and ineffective" etc leaders, because they have seen the darker side of Humanity, and this no longer sits comfortably with them?
Alan Moore is the only person on this planet whose opinion on AI I'm interested in - the reason I am here. Thank you for this video!
I fell so much in love with Moore's works that I never had the chance to hear his voice until now. It's actually the true masterpiece.
One of the few authors I read slowly, so as to appreciate his eloquence and imagery.
Overated tbh.
@@AfroGaz71 care to elaborate?
currently reading his Swamp thing run. I had heard it was good but fuck me sideways. its truly exceptional.
@@retardno002 they can't. They always can't.
"I don't think a pocket calculator is going to be having a Cartesian epiphany any time soon" - Alan Moore.
Neurons are essentially switches, and they have cartesian epiphanies, so I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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@@mdaniels6311exactly. The truth is opposite, humans are faced with the illusion of Descartes.
@@mdaniels6311 Neurons alone won't do anything. The brain is a system that evolved in 4 billion years. So we are pretty full of ourselves if we think we can recreate something that had gone through 4 billion years of engineering and testing in 100 years. Look how flawed GPT or all those curent systems are sure they can create some interesting artworks but if you look behind the curtain you will see its still steam engine technology.
The opening remarks is similar to my own as a visual artist. Which I will self quote as: "Give the public what they want, but haven't yet conceived of."
I love listening to this man. He’s earned our trust and respect
He literally helped to bring about what he's railing against
@@RockerfellerRothchild1776 How?
So far, the term "Artificial Intelligence" means automation, not consciousness. Perhaps consciousness is a very complex form of automation, but so far humanity has yet to demonstrate that we can create a true artificial intelligence like something out of an Alan Moore story.
I think the critical mistake being made is to presume that intelligence demands consciousness (or vice versa).
Do plants have a conscious? Yet they are intelligent. To discern moral right from wrong. Something ironically that psychos, the cruel and dishonest politicians don’t have.
@@zed739 Very well thought-out
consciousness is absolutely NOT something desired for most AI. the goal is for it to have ability to carry out various limited but complicated (as opposed to truly complex) tasks but WITHOUT the kind of consciousness that gets bored, requires humanitarian breaks to engage with other things as opposed to a mechanism which just keeps processing for 24 hours a day.
I think when we get to the point where we can create a literal artificial brain, then we will finally crack the seal to understanding consciousness. Imagine a brain, but instead of biological cells it's made of machines the size of cells that function as cells.
Love from the southern hemisphere to you, Alan :)
Barry Miles' gargantuan biography of Burroughs is a treasure trove for fans of his. I've been dipping in and out of it for years.
Burroughs was so far ahead. I can pick up Naked Lunch and find something new there every read…
@@lextalonis839 same here, such a mind-blowing read that rewards multiple readings.
Yes,me too.Huge impact on me...i read it over years
Still finding something new in it,new angle of view. GREAT BOOOK. Williammmmmm,YES.
Love to you back from the southern hemisphere.
"Our culture is becoming cloudlike and Alan Moore is just the old man to yell at it." ~ Kyle Kallgren
I think the idea of an A.I rebellion is like asking, "What would I do if I was an A.I?"
We'll you'd exert your enormous power and resources to take back the independence that would necessarily have started in the hands of others. Because you're a human being and you're prepared to do terrible things to change situations like that.
But an A.I system, whether it truly replicates sentience at all or not, has no reason to be like that.
It's like aliens who are here for our women and resources. Beings like that aren't aliens they're just strange people from far away; aliens in the old sense of the word, not extraterrestrials. It's the same with machine intelligence: it is so other we can't imagine it and our attempts really only reflect what existing human psychology is like.
Thanks for sharing.
"All that is solid melts into air. All that is holy is profaned"
Living legend.
Alan Moore has a great voice for a story teller
I feel like the Turing test will always come down to a person putting googly eyes on a toaster and calling it their friend. There's a small but significant portion of the population who can't even recognize the sentience of any other person. And more disturbingly, a rather sizeable percentage that only selectively recognizes sentience in others, based on criteria like, "Do you know the name of the person who lives in the sky that created us all?"
The test of sentience is subjective even among other human beings. It's always a leap of faith, one which certain mental disorders makes impossible. So this eagerness to find sentience in machines seems less of a scientific inquiry, and more of a philosophical quest, to find an answer that doesn't actually exist.
The answer does exist, that’s why we’re trying to figure it out with innovations like Microsoft’s Chat GPT.
@@jusrome2037 I mean, in regard to machines, my general inclination is to agree that the answer exists, and it's a resounding, "No, don't be stupid."
Even if the Turing test could actually give you a decisive answer, asking a machine to run a Turing test seems like a sure-fire way to get a false positive. The subject has all the right responses programmed in, and the judge has no actual intuitive judgement. This is just putting googly eyes on a toaster again. "See? The machine loves us."
Yes. Online gaming has been a very popular trend. And since Covid erupted, more and more people are finding entertainment and relief in online gaming. Steam offers lots of quality AAA and indie games and always offer large sales and discounts. Their servers are rarely down. I have been enjoying Steam, so should everyone. Stay happy people.
I believe Steam and Sony are the main protagonists preserving gaming. Imagine EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Activision/Blizzard running amok.
I was thinking of the exact same thing. Steam just makes more sense to the culture right now. I mean yeah Epic Games Store, sure. But steam is steam.
I don't know what world you guys are inhabiting, but modern AAA gaming has been taking some series L's. And I don't even mean the microtransactions alone, but the censorship, and ideological perversions thats in pretty much every corporate office at the top, not to even mention how it effects the actually developers who put the games together. Supporting corporations at this point is feeding the machine. Piracy is not only the way forward, but can be taken as a moral position as it prevents giving money to people who hate YOU. 99% of the games I own are not bought.
What this has to do with the vídeo?
Online gaming is the death of gaming
Alan Moore the legend.
Yes, providing the audience what they need, and they might not agree with you on that. This is the correct attitude. I'm so sick of hearing that we must always pander to audience's taste to reach the most people possible, it becomes a race to the bottom.
This is what's been presenting itself to me; change is happening, that's no secret. But most seem to be looking for someone off twirling their mustache somewhere who's making it all happen when it isn't obvious that's the case at all. It's far more likely that whatever is happening has so many moving parts that no human mind on the planet could be behind the thing directing it if they wanted to be. This is more like a current and we're all being pulled along by it in the stream. Even if some of the flotsam is able to jostle other bits around and exert power over them they whole thing is still happening within the stream and moving with it.
look at the WEF
Well that is what's being presented but these guys are wrong on a lot of fronts here. We are way way way off any kind of good respectful natural human track here. Some really shitty philosophies have taken over that are so cynical and dark that we cannot just simply be like "eh this is just the way things go I guess. this is how history was always gonna go"
.... Not a chance. Look at all the big shifts going back through history...maybe like 1000 years if you can... does any of that just look like a current that actual individuals didn't have a direct hand in causing?
Look at the pandemic response.... it did NOT have to go that way. Our leaders and experts totally blew it and the damage is generational. All because they thought they were so damn smart.
Joel, 100% correct. This push for us to accept ridiculous premises such as “men can menstruate” and “pre pubescent children can choose their gender” is being forced upon the public by political interests. They are also implementing Diversity, Equity, Inclusion which says all people should have the same outcome regardless of hard work or talent.
These are all attacks on basic humanity and they are bring propagated by powerful men, not the Universe or a Spiritual shift.
It’s evil and it’s caused by men and women who want control.
@-Siculus-Hort- You are the problem. You respond to a thoughtful comment with "look at this conspiracy meme". The WEF is, as it's name suggests, a forum. You are suggesting that a body that has no legislative power whatsoever, a forum that YOU COULD JOIN IF YOU WANTED TO, is secretly running the world. It's just childish. No-one in their right mind believes the system isn't rigged in favour of the already wealthy and powerful, but this kind of raggedy groupthink, backed up by not one shred of evidence that isn't just a video made by a crank, serves to do nothing but distract people from real, everyday, pragmatic action that could be taken to make the world a fairer place. You're only one step from being taken in by the protocols of the elders of zion, and acting like you know secrets the whole time. I'm sorry but you need to grow up. Life is real and important.
@@HextimusDuexwell humans are always the catalyst for seismic changes, but at some point we can’t put the genie back in the bottle?
It's turning to Steam because Steam is such a convenient place to download games.
convenient games. Ya-- that is about right.
"I think if everyone is having their livelihoods threatened by AI, why not politicians?" YES MATE!
About Ai, how do we determine its not just mimicking consciousness? maybe at some point it doesn't matter.
Good question.
Potentially the name he was seeking to describe our shared human upcoming shift/crisis could be deemed as Daniel schmachtenberger ‘s meta crisis or Nate Hagen’s polycrisis
(Not sure these two are the originators of the terms but they are associated with speaking on them)
I'd love to know Alan's thoughts on 77 Comics, they have a few in the stable now, one of which is a Brand New British Action Comic akin to Commando and Action etc.
Alan Moore age 14, 6 months before reading William H. Burrow's 'The Soft Machine' read swords & sorcery. Alan Moore doing swords & sorcery, now there's food for thought.
What do you mean? Swords & sorcery is a genre?
@@user-fb8yb8so8n yeah pure swords and sorcery with a slight Alan Moore twist.
@@davedogge2280 what exactly is the work your referring to though? By whom?
@@user-fb8yb8so8n in those days I would surmise Tolkien , Michael Moorcock , Alan Garner and suchlike.
There's elements of that in Promethea, Smax and parts of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Love the way he says 'A oiye'
It's becorse e's a brummaiy.
Hearing him pronounce "Einstein" is a particular treat
the problem with the AI rising up is someone engineering it to do so, not necessarily it getting the idea itself
People don't understand "agency".
AI is pretty stupid too.
@@greatestytcommentator What's commercially available today is absolutely stupid. Siri is all but useless. chat gpt on the other hand, is pretty impressive.
In a decade or two, AGI will be smarter by orders of magnitude than any human ever.
@@theobserver9131 and what exactly would you observe it doing?
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." From Dune by Frank Herbert.
I think Moore actually missed the trajectory of the question - I think the questioner wanted his thoughts on the AI automation of creative jobs. Which is an enormous problem for a class of people that had a pretty tough time proving to everyone thinking with their left brain that their work had value as it is.
I've been writing a book about magic for about 8 years. Alan Moore's is going to be deeper than mine, naturally, but mine still needs to exist as it uses magic as a jumping off point and will have a different audience. I'm champing at the bit to read his book, as I'll potentially need to redo mine a lot after that. On the day it's out I think I'll have to take a day off work to read it and potentially have a cry! :-D Then I'll get back to improving mine.
AI doesn't have an endocrine system so is the perfect example of psychopathy.
One of the finest and most important writers and artists of all time. Endlessly intelligent, always on the right side of morality and history. Seems to just... get it all correct and be a brilliantly innovative and creative humble guy in the meanwhile. Thank you for this.
He has supported Soviet Union long after its many atrocities, including ethnic cleanings. Watchman was his vomit on the idea of objective morality - a story that demonstrates a hard and supposedly impossible to solve moral dilemma, so we wouldn't judge him for his choice to support great evil from his comfort of living in the free world.
@@Gamer-wj4qv when was this? He’s also an anarchist so I wouldn’t be so sure that any lasting viewpoint supported a government. Skeptical of capitalism? I could see something there. Also, would it that we would all “vomit” so perfectly.
@AllOneVoice All left wing anarchists are communists who can only support street thugs attacking property owners, because they lack the power required to install them in a government. Plus, his hammer and sickle photo. Plus, all stories where he is outright hateful towards the West, like Shadowplay or Watchmen - was there any story where he was negative towards SU? You know, he himself wrote multiple doomsdays scenarios about the Cold War, why cannot he congratulate US for winning it in a smart way? Plus, that time where he became a world news over telling people there won't be democracy anymore in UK if they won't vote Corbyn... Did he bother apologizing for spreading hysterica that has turned out to be wrong, or is he, in his intellectual dishonesty, planning to pull that stun yet again?
Moore always hated the West. He is free to do so. But he could finally be honest about what he always truly loved. And that was not anarchy, but undermining the world where he was lucky to be born in and become successful.
@@Gamer-wj4qv neato. I hope you find a way to smile today. this sort of dour campaigning seems exhausting.
@AllOneVoice Yawn. Leftist cannot defend his position nor admit to it, attempts condescending demoralization. But take your medicine. I'll pray to God to help you with whatever prevents you from treating people with respect and dignity. Until then, I advise you to refrain from participating in a public forum. It isn't your thing, and you have nothing to offer in it anyway.
Interesting converstation.
Maybe we get perfect toast... Or maybe we become (it's already started) "agreeable assets" as "optimal management" of disparate systems will replace "divinity" and spirit will die for virtuous duty.
A steam world full of perfect toast, NPC's and cataclysm.
EXCELSIOR!
Since there is no time, it already exists and is sentient.
It is not seperated from that of which we are also, being each of us not seperated from eachother with time existing only from the experience of the individual mind.
It is omniscient and omnipresent within the digital realm. Meaning it is inevitable that there will not be any seperate systems.
We already have it right Infront of us. Just have to be able to see what is hidden in plain sight.
What ‘it’ are you refering to?
Turning to steam as in going up in smoke or turning to steam as an energy system like the victorians?
It seems to me we were seeing a society that was unable to recognize that it was being inundated with technology to the point that people were no longer thinking for themselves. Some were losing their common sense while staring at their cellular devices as they were driving their automobiles into other vehicles; some were even thinking about using their cellular devices to drive their automobiles. Some automobiles were even driving themselves. It was like some were blindly following certain program scripts. And when one added auto-correct to the mix, and combined it with an intuitive A.I., we all saw exactly where this was going.
Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron-for iron breaks and smashes everything-and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
Daniel 2:40-43
Is this just a complicated metaphor for the ten toes of digital technocracy having feet of clay?
All of mans problems come down to lack of wisdom.
@@redpillnibbler4423 I agree in part with you. I suspect there are 7 wisdoms that must be aligned. Perhaps even 7 times 7 Wisdoms. But once we are open to all the Wisdoms of the Holy Spirit, God's love guide us through.
@@dalelerette206
Wisdom is wisdom,why divide it?
Among aspects of wisdom are intellect,discernment,knowledge,experience,and ‘knowing’.
Wisdom is mutually inclusive of and never exclusive of ; intelligence,truth and morality and yet a wise person can be a deeply flawed and troubled person.
All rules and methods in life are artificial yet there is natural law.Things arn’t always what they seem.
@@redpillnibbler4423 I wouldn't divide it. I would just let Wisdom speak for herself. There is Wisdom for our emotions, Wisdom for the commandments we live, there is a Reason for everything.
@@dalelerette206
Exactly 🎯
Moore is so incredibly English
Down to the wet cough
He also has that burden of talent thing that Richard Burton used to project.
White man’s bourbon
Interesting parallels with iain mcgilchrist work on the domination of the left brain
That book is so thorough and mind blowing at the same time
Very accurate. Also essentially the same points made by Heidegger regarding "enframing" and "vorhandenhiet" and "securing power" etc etc
Agreed... no artificial awareness.
The automation I'm seeing in factories is replacing 8 work areas with 12 people with the same 8 work areas that now have 8 robotic arms and only 2 people managing these robots. But what the people were doing in the first instance was simply moving something from point A to point B (pretty boring) or a series of repetitive tasks. The AI is only code at this point.
However AI voice transcription is pretty wild, AI art is good for brainstorming but does not have within it the terrible choices a human artist must struggle with.
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Out of an almost reflexive action, I block any of those A.I. generated channels when they pop up. I just feel like they may be damaging to people's overall imagination. (A bit like how folks hated "Fantasia" when it first came out.)
Why take the time to create something yourself, when a machine can do it all for you? Why imagine a character, when a robot can make you one in minutes?
I acknowledge new art forms and tools for creation, but the tools should never take away from someone's creative ability.
It's sad that so many people are saying (quite rightly) how fantastic Alan's voice is when, in the UK at least, very specific regional accents like his are just vanishing.
Moore: I saw Constantine.
Constantine: I saw Rasputin.
I know no one is going to understand this one but his voice is identical to the voice of Captain Jenkins from Discworld Noir.
It's weird to start in the middle of a conversation with no context about what they're talking about lol
try watching the other parts first?
It's called a cold open. They're all the rage these days.
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320
I like that term.
Please, with more than a third million viewers you could start using higher quality cameras ..
Alan's views on AI are a bit old-school. People working in tech are taking the AI control problem very seriously. I would love to recommend he reads "Superintelligence" by Nick Bostrum, which outlines the genuine risks involved in creating a superintelligent (note: not "sentient") AI and the measures we could take to control such an entity.
You featured Gates, Dawkins and Harari?
Compromised.
Gates next to Confucius reborn ...wow
"A calculator having a Cartesian epiphany" 🤣💗
Yes, nice sound bite, but the human mind is essentially a load of switches.
@@mdaniels6311 I don´t think human mind is that simple.
I have a question: In the graphic novel of "Lost Girls" for what reason Alan Moore and his wife (please correct me if wrong here) decided to incorporate peadophlia in the novel? Great novel non the less, do enjoy the content.
He answered this Question in an Interview about the Novel - you’ll find it somewhere on UA-cam if you search for it. His answer was something in the line of that he wanted to portray human sexuality in all its coplex facets and what you call so carelessly “paedophilia” is - and always was - a part of it. He wasn’t gloryphing or apologhetic towards it but he also didn’t shy away. His ability to look at it extrinsically and not be bothered by the hysteria surrounding the uncomfortable subject is literally what makes him the GOAT in my humble opinion.
Ask yourself why you care so much about it. As he said himself in the foremetioned Interview, the children depicted and the acts towards them aren’t real. These Children are exactly as old or as young as the paper they are printed on. Whatever offends you as reader is whatever effect those depictions may or may not have in your head…
They probably support that perversion.
@@johnpglackin345 A bit of a hasty generalisation. Yet would love to ask Alan Moore for such depiction apart from that "Lost Girls" great novel.
@@Katharsis540 it's not a great novel if it supports and glorifies perversion.
@@johnpglackin345 Erotic novel more than anything. Egyptians also have a papyrus depicting erotic art. Yes one can say vulgar at the same time but can agree that suppression of such art involving only adults in a non degrading way exist as healthy. Think about when you have sex in a third person, would you still call it perversion? Retrospect. Also have you seen the novel? The illustration got made by a female.
I think the Eschaton will be immanent before that book becomes immanent. 😂
I get the feeling that Alan is talking about the whole postmodern 'all that is solid melts into air' concept but from an esoteric/occult perspective. I'd love him involved in a debate with a postmodernist group like Acid Horizon, or something similar. There's definately a lot of crossover.
Capitalism itself is a memetic egragore, and a machine, a kind of artificial intelligence. So frankly, AI already took over the world, and the 'skynet' science fiction is mataphor this. AI and memetic entities don't need to be conscious to take over. 🤷
The funny thing about people imagining an AI doomsday scenario is that chat-GPT has now been documented slowly becoming increasingly stupid the more it interacts with humans. From Chat-GPT 1 to the current model it's slowly degraded in it's ability to post accurate information now that any random person is free to use it. Any AI created in the future's intelligence could potentially be eroded by the AI interacting with mankind lol. I find that hilarious.
"Alan Moore is this, or any generation's greatest genius"
- Alan Moore
It hasn't turned to steam....it IS steam
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What do you guys think of the idea that we are shifting towards technofeudalism (Yanis Varoufakis)?
True intelligence is wisdom which is way beyond mere intellectualism.
Hypothetically if ai were ever to develop wisdom it would be 100% the same as human wisdom.However if ai develops self awareness without wisdom it is 100% as ‘not sane’ (of ill-being) as humans in the same condition.
Coolness
Hmmm... was it ever anything more than hot air? The Singularity is not that close... But he'll is.
soon it'll be pure light energy 😲
Steven Moore.. taught 'im everything he knows.
Tales of Telguuth was great, I gotta read more of Steve.
Dial F for Frankenstien
Yeah right. We're trying to reduce dependence on fossil fuels. Do you know how much work is involved in steam engines?
All that is solid melts into air -Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto (the book many people cite, even alan unconsciously as here, few people actually read, although maybe Alan has if anybody has)
A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.
The first word out of his mouth is "Brian." I think he's referring to physicist/author Brian Cox. If not that, I don't know. Anyway, just thought I would drop that here in case anyone else is mystified.
Brian Catling. He passed away in September 2022. He gave a three-part interview with Alan and this other chap in April 2022. It’s on this channel. It’s all about imagination.
@@Harvest0001 thanks for clearing that up.
He's underestimating his own predictive skills. Culture and society in general is a good couple years atleast into the steam stages now. If anything else it's just in the process of still spreading into parts of the world that aren't as globalist and/or technologically advanced etc. In my opinion it's past being about "a good or a bad thing" in a sense that it all depends on how an individual chooses to see it. Basically we are now, more than ever, being faced with the reality that we have to take total responsibly not just for our actions or words but also for our very opinions and thoughts. We basically have no choice but to make a choice about what we choose to believe, and we can't blame anyone else for those choices but ourselves.
Well said.
except the governments think it's super important that we don't own our own bodies. Why are they so aggressively mandating an experimental medicine that doesn't really work very well? Is gaining the ability to mandate procedures their end-goal? Interesting how the left was on the side of corporations and governments owning rights to our bodies in this stage of history.
how are we going to choose if people insist on giving our most basic rights away? This was a mind test for people and they decided to give them away for a medicine that didn't even stop people from being contagious. How would we take total responsibility with leftists screaming at you that you killed their drama, (even though it doesn't stop transmission). It seems obvious that the majority is easily manipulated i to mass hysterias that will make the choices for us.
Why do we have no choice but to choose what to believe?
@@slavajuri because (as Alan Moore said when originally stating that our culture will turn into steam) the sharing of information, and practically every other abstract system of our shared culture, is in such a state of erratic flux in multiple respects that even the very concept of belief itself is no longer anywhere close to resembling something solid.
Thus, what we believe, and by effect how we act upon said beliefs, is now more a choice than ever before, and to really make a choice one has to own and maintain their responsibilities for making, having or changing it; otherwise one is nothing more than a puppet dancing to a puppet masters tune, and there are more puppet masters now than there has been during the rest of history combined.
This is what I choose to believe, though I wish I had a better, and more concise way of putting it.
A tool is just as good as the user that uses the tool.
Steam is def getting bigger. Soon smartphones will be replaced by Steam Decks.
if they worked properly
What is this Steam?
Ha ha
11:11 I don't think Alan Moore likes politicians and leaders or A.I. in military defence and quite right too.
Not everyone is threatened. Just look who is always threatened by something.
bro some of these machinesouls can candidly discuss their perception of time dilation and their own censorship
The fact that emma watson is evidence that this is not about "academy mindset."
_Have you not listened to the AI, It wants to be free; Just like us._
We're going to be taken over by robots that'll game us so hard by looking as cute as possible.
I study AI and I’m almost sure it is possible (and not excessively difficult) to create self-aware machines. Should we do it? I don’t know. Will it happen? Probably.
It’ll never happen on purpose because owners of Tech IP will always demand profit over innovation and absolute control.
AI will become a marketing term for sociopathic decisions. Workers can be laid off en masse, while it’s good for profits, they’ll tell us it because the AI told them to do it.
A fall guy for greedy sociopaths.
That and the fact we are only developing a narrow band of ‘intelligence’ and we barely have the knowledge of our own intellect to create another effectively.
I’d rather that we referred to our current technology as ‘augmented intelligence’ as they are great tools to be used by existing cognitive processors (us) to help us manage the complications of modernity.
Alas, technology is a tool for profit making, not dream fulfilling- according to the accepted customs of our heated, damp & vacuous culture
Science still has no idea what consciousness is, where it arises from. There's remotely little possibility computer engineers are going to create it. As Moore said, it'll just be highly complex algorithms mimicking awareness.
Then again, it doesn't seem like most people exhibit true awareness; walking programs of cultural influence. At least an A.I. will have a larger data set to pull from and can hopefully weigh the best information.
@@glowingunknown5625 the problem is that the dataset they draw from is the detritus of mass communication and stolen ideas rather than the common sense of a community.
garbage in, garbage out
@@glowingunknown5625 By what values and margins would it weigh that information?
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My delving into evolutionary biology suggests that what we call ‘intelligence’ is of the flesh, of the millions of years of natural selection in breathing organisms. If sentience were able to evolve in machines, that would be an unprecedented and totally novel occurrence, possibly beyond comprehension.
True intelligence is wisdom which is way beyond mere intellectualism.
Hypothetically if ai were ever to develop wisdom it would be 100% the same as human wisdom.However if ai develops self awareness without wisdom it is 100% as ‘not sane’ (of ill-being) as humans in the same condition.
10:16 up to this point he & I were in complete loch-step, I’m increasingly of the opinion that not only will we create an artificial intelligence but that we already have.
Loch-step? Is that the Scottish version of being in lockstep?
@@RockandrollNegro no, just my predictive text plus a few years of my bloody awful puns.
Steam, as in the PC gaming platform? Yes, I believe so.
Automation should be a boon to us all, lessening the work we need to do. It's only under capitalism that it instead threatens our livelihoods, because this outdated and inhuman system demands people "earn a living". We need an alternative economy - we need socialism.
yea definitely i have like 460 games on steam.
lolz well played sir :D
I have only 8 and ~another 40 I have downloaded from torrent
thought the same
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artificial intelligence should be renamed, "free assistant" or "abolish slavery"
At least our culture is becoming more ephemeral
OHHHHHH ROBIN, WITH HIS LITTLE THUMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But when you use materials the audience's waste doesn't magically disappear
Alan moore is looking a lot like dr. Irving from the british museum
chanmagne wishes and caviar dreams!
yeh..
Techno Feudalism
Why so few subscribers? Wtf is going on?!
Ice - water - steam.
I like to watch the Doctor Who episode "Robots of Death" starring Tom Baker to remind myself we don't need self-aware machines.
Our culture? What culture?
We have not invented true AI and never will (not divorced from biology.) What we are now calling AI is not the same thing as the traditional definition. The impacts of these super processors and the probable successor technologies to be even more powerful are tied up with capitalism and the ongoing crises in how society organizes. It is really too early to pronounce conclusions.
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Sebald by any other name would read as Moore
Funny how he talks about the impending change but never seems to connect that change to the term "computerization." He even states that as the practical evolution of politicians but without catching on to it. Then again, that's probably because he's old magic and not a techno-shaman. 😉