I Tried Winter Camping with a 60lbs Pack...
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2023
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With snow a polk (sled) would be much more successful.
Glad to hear you mention that it's important to prepare your body for trips. Taking care of yourself, exercising, and shedding a few pounds will lead to a healthier life. Not only will you will be saving your wallet from pursuing ultralight gear, you be strong enough to carry those 3 extra ounces.
I agree however if you can keep fitness and add some fat it helps with insulation muscles take food to warm fat doesn't
That pack is HUGE. Pretty incredible you brought all that water to test yourself. You are a boss.
Did a 5 day hike with 60lbs on my back (at start) this summer. You feel it at the end of the day, but that extra comfort when in camp was worth it 🙌
I appreciate your advice for fitness and limitations. That being said. 60lbs is about minimum for my backcountry hunting packs. Although I run UL gear (my “base weight” would be approx 14-17lbs in normal hiking definitions), when you add hunting gear (Rifle /bow, optics, meat prep/packing gear plus the “just in case” gear related to cold/wet weather, Cliff and mountain traversing gear and a pack capability of 125-150lb for meat packing out, and enough water for 3-4 days at a time because of the desert environment).
People don’t realize that just camping for a day or hiking to a place are completely different ideas from “living” in the backcountry for weeks at a time. I’m not discounting it, I’m just saying that UL actually has a “real life” application. Thank you for your reviews and comparisons with new gear. Keep up the good work.
Im former US Army Ranger combat Vet from Iraq. We carried about 90lbs with vest plates ammo ect in 110 degree heat. 60lb is ultralight for us. Now that I'm older, I still rather carry more and be comfy then go back to those days lying in the sand at night.
I really appreciate all of the testing you’re doing with the Nemo Tensor extreme. I’m in the market to upgrade my sleeping pad, and have been primarily looking at the tensor extreme and the x-therm. What you explained in this video is incredibly helpful, as I mostly sleep on my sides, and I tend to roll around a lot at night. I’m looking forward to your future video where you talk about comfort! Thanks for being so thorough in your gear testing!
I've carried 40 & 48 pounds in early summer in the Rockies twice for a combined total of 148 miles. If you get a good backpack, it's very doable. I wouldn't do any hikes in the snow with steep terrain though.
Gosh, I noticed in the first minute of the video that your left load lifter (the strap at the top of the shoulder strap) is completely loose while the other one is tightened. That must have been agony with the heavy load being a bit off balance!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
Justin,
You are the man.
Sitting here in OZ after a day on the tractor I am truly impressed.
Adding water to test yourself, AWESOME.
Great info to help me prepare for my Larapinta Trail hike here in OZ in May/June.
Really enjoy your vids.
Cheers
Craig
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I laughed so hard when you revealed that you used extra water to make that weight and not stuff to make the cold more comfortable like a full double walled tent.
Glad you mentioned barefoot/minimalist shoes as an option for strengthening the feet. Once I switched to barefoot shoes my feet flattened out and I developed higher arches. Both of these helped me carry heavier loads as I was distributing the weight over a larger area and generally felt more connected with the ground. For shorter trips I love backpacking in xeros or vibram fivefingers
Awesome video. You’re videos have helped me feel much more comfortable backpacking in the winter. Cheers!
I am impressed you can lay around for 12 hours in winter. Lol. Great video as usual. It seems the Neoairs still have the stranglehold in every pad category to date while not the most comfortable they are the warmest, lightest, most compact time and time again. And the new, thicker NXT versions are even more comfortable and quieter as we know.
Good to finally see some direct comparisons with the X-Therm. I just got back from camping 3 nights here in Alaska and used the Nemo Extreme. It didn't feel as warm as I was hoping and I was especially interested in your thoughts with you having said it ran cold. I used an EE 20F down quilt and a 40F apex quilt layered down to -2F. I found that when I shifted around quite a bit, it would almost instantly sap the heat away from whichever spot was exposed. Thanks Justin!
I think your theory is correct. Which is why I use a mummy shaped Nemo Tensor Alpine for my winter pad, combined with the Nemo Switchback.
Thanks for the video! It would be nice to have a video about your avalanche preparedness or what steps you take to avoid avalanche country but still winter camp.
Agree with this have asked Justin about this before in comments
Justin, I am incredibly impressed with your effort and commitment to carrying a 30 kilogram pack just for the video! Definitely you should get the 2023 year outstanding heavy pack carrying hiking You-tuber award! All the best from Aotearoa! 😄
Love this justin!
Great video! “Hey wolf” cracked me up😂
Skis would be very helpful for a winter hike.
Sounds like me every winter. Not all of us can afford ul gear
With a 60lb limit why not bring a 4 season tent to be even warmer and have more shelter?
Nice to see you have snow and cold temps. It is plus 11 c° here in Western Saskatchewan. No snow!
My back hurt just reading that title, props to you Justin!
I bought those decathlon mitts a few months ago, nice and toasty as an outer layer and the adjustments work well with gloves on.
For coozies, I've repurposed a thermolite lunch bag and found really cheap thermolite grocery bag and had cup coozies. Plus, cool designs.
Thanks for the info on the Nemo vs. the Thermarest! I’m so glad Nemo’s production model performs better than the one you had prior! I wonder if having a quilt cinched down with pad straps as your top layer would solve the Nemo’s cold spot issues?
I feel like a freak of nature since I did exactly that this weekend with an elevation gain of 1580 meters. I learned a lot & realized I could cut weight by ditching my tent for a tarp tent, bringing fewer clothes, & ditching a few extraneous items I didn't use. I'm 6'0" and weigh 167lbs (1.83m, 75.75Kg) & probably as old as your parents. I'm not going to lie; it was absolutely brutal. But I like a challenge & I had a goal. It was WELL WORTH IT when it snowed 7" (20cm) on the summit.
I'm in upstate New York so there's a lot more oxygen in our 1600m elevation mountains than there is in the Rockies so I'll bet I'd never be able to do it there.
And I had 4 days worth of food & carried 3 liters of fluid: water and marine fuel for my Trangia.
Awesome info! Thanks. I don't know how much this info applies to my current camping areas but I'd love to travel north to experience backpacking there. So far I've only camped/backpacked in Texas and mainly within 200 miles of the coast so warm weather is a bigger issue than the cold. All that said, we're pretty new to backpacking, any advise you might have for warm weather camping?
I'm so on the fence about buying the Nemo Tensor insulated. It looks really comfortable, but I already have the XTherm. I just like the difference in design, but I'm a side sleeper and don't want to be cold. Choices Choices!
Enjoyed hearing about how you deal with foot health. As someone who has recently discovered the joys of plantar fasciitis I would love to hear more about how you overcome it. My experience with it seems to go on and on and on...
The anti of ultralite winter gear would be some reindeer hides as a sleeping pad
very informative video here
On one multi-day winter trip I way overpacked, on top of heavier winter gear (four-season tent, warm cloths, shovel, two or three days of extra food and fuel). We were XC skiing but I also brought snowshoes as a backup. We were thinking about doing a summit that we didn’t end up doing so I had ice axes and crampons, which I justified since I was pulling a pulk sled I had made. It actually wasn’t that bad most of the time, since we were following a snowed-in road. And for the last 6 miles or so, we had to carry everything on our backs, my pack weighed at least 60 pounds. The hitch was that i had opted to not use my expedition-sized pack, instead the one I used was like 30 liters and so lots of the stuff was lashed to the outside. It wasn’t horrible, but it could have been better.
Do you like the Arch haul 60 better than the Flash 55? I have both sitting in my garage and I’m going send one back. Even though the Flash 55 is 1 pound heavier I feel like it carries better and feels more comfortable. Both great packs and I know you have both so was hoping to get your take.
I’ve been doing hiking with over 45 pounds on my back on a bit of a roller coaster trail mixed with flat. I’m getting ready for winter backpacking in some mountains. It’s rough but I’m getting stronger, I think it’s helping. That AMG Mountain Hardwear pack I got after watching you takes weight real well and is comfortable. I really feel I need most of my gear for all the variables. I don’t know about shedding much, don’t know my final weight. Nice video, timely
Just getting into rucking/hiking with that amount of weight on my back. Mainly been doing 30-40lb rucks/hikes over varying distances depending on the elevation gain. Longer distances with lower elevation I’m pushing like 30lbs and on the shorter distances with higher elevation, I like to add 10-15lbs for extra difficulty. I wanna get up to eventually being able to carry 60-75lbs for 10-15miles. I say 2-3 years I’ll be there long as I’m consistent with training/hitting the gym. Crazy to think just 15 months ago I was sweating bullets hiking with just my Camelbak 🤣
@@R3ALDUBB3DD3R3K good for you! I battle weight swings of 50 to 100 pounds for some time. Went from outdoor work to full time trucker getting over 50 years old, losing strength. I’m trying to basically achieve the same goal as you for winter backpacking in particular. Good luck
My problem with the Nemo Tensor was getting all the air out to roll it up! Always ended up with a little "bubble". Haven't found the knack yet.
This is the thing about ultralight camping. When you have to actually carry something heavy, you get your ass beat.
I noticed your left load lifter wasn't taught.
And the right...
You ever do any atv camping. It will get you back in the wilderness
I live in Wasilla Alaska and have a tough time packing my tired butt to the truck. Pretty informative vide though so thank you.
How do you feel baout the kelty glendale? Im looking into the 65L version. Im between that and a gregory baltory 65 and a granite gear crown 3
I've had good luck with sea to summit etherlight xt. Large. R values of 6.2
Hi Justin. In past videos you have worn a pair of insulated pants at camp. I think they were from decathlon. Could you advise the make and model of insulated pants that you normally use. Thanks for the great videos. You will be at 100k subs in no time.
Wound thick or doubles open cell foam self inflating pads be better for these very cold temperatures? I have a thermarest open cell foam pad with and r value of 3.4. If you layer 2 of them woukd it be r value of 6.8?
Can you add a link to the over mitts from decathlon
I used to typically carry 50lbs. Nowadays it’s around ½ that.
I use a titanium plate as a snow shovel
I backpacked to Mount Assiniboine Provincial Park with 60lbs. I brought drinks and lots of yummy coffee
I'm looking the overmitts that you have. I don't see it on the decathalon website or I just don't know which ones they are. Anyone know? Thanks
That chicken pesto it’s tasty!
hey i have a question do you think i can survive -20 degrees celsius nights with a 0 degrees celecius sleeping back?
So, you took bottles of water to add up the weight but then you took a dried food. 🤣
@justinoutdoors can you link to those overmitts?
What winter boots are you using? The link you provide doesn't work.
Those gloves look hella warm.
how much did the tripod weigh?!
Welcome to backpack hunting weights
And thats just going in and getting around in the mtns. Wait until you have to pack a deboned sheep or mtn goat out. #deathmarch.
I find it sooo funny how I go camping about 20 nights of the year but no matter the time of year in red hot summer or harsh winters I use a 40L pack and the weight always jumps up and down 5kg extra and I absolutely smash the trails with that but never c anyone else doing that… why
Was there any particular reason why you didn’t ski in rather than hike?
Not enough snow
What song at the beginning of the video?
There is no such thing as "arch support". Limiting range of motion is not the same as support.
One can support a lowe back, as lower back during lifting is not moving. Ankle moves while walking, similar to knee and albow. One can support the joint with something compressive. This is what lifters do with compression straps. There are special socks that provide pressure to the ankle joint, but hikers do not use them.
You wear barefoot shoes so you likely are aware of it. You likely also own alpine shoes and realise that their stiffness has a different purpose, mainly for crampons.
Cushioning under hiking shoes is not support, it is limiting pressure from sharp objects.
60lb was considered quite light back in the 80s lol
Very cool vid. but I don't understand why you don't want to use a 2 person tunnel tent, cook inside, get warm and enjoy nature! Tunnel tents in winter can offset your weight, you can carry other much lighter things! 😄 and get a lighter weight on all equipment in total !!!
Especially as there are models that are not that heavy. In a tunnel tent you can enjoy the evenings, read a book etc.
To me they are a big step up in camp comfort and the gap only gets bigger if winter storm breaks
The more weight on my back the more I lean forward to compensate, think it would be more efficient to carry a smaller pack on the front and shift 30% weight forward.
Have a look at Aarn packs, they have big pockets on the front for balance. Look a bit goofy but very common in New Zealand!
Experiment with where you load your gear in the pack, internal-framed vs frameless carry differently and just moving a few things around can make a huge difference.
Them straps at the top of the pack look like they should be taught at least...keep the load closer
Why? I’m very happy to carry 20lb on a 2 day. Way to grind it! At least you didn’t have to break trail in 20in in the Sasquatch shoes!
Why not just pull your gear in a sled when backpacking in snowy conditions?
Its one thing seeing Justin carry that ridiculously heavy pack through the snow then you realize he has to place camera on the trail to show him hiking with the pack which is an insane amount of work. Thanks for the good content and suffering for good youtube hiking content!
A sled is what most would use
The past 2 weekends I’ve been out snowshoeing & hiking to make & flag a bushwhack path up a local mountain (Boundary Bald.) 99% of the time I hike alone and off-trail so in winter I always have a tent, sleeping bag & pad appropriate for the temp, layers, food, stove, down jacket & pants, etc. The past 2 weekends I’ve been day hiking (with the possibility of camping) both days and my pack was 45-48lb, but I didn’t have 10l of water LOL. The heavier pack was from carrying snowshoes and wearing spikes instead of vice versa.
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unicorn LOL
I just went for a 4 day Camping trip with 60lbs pack...i bailed out after 1 day
Celsius,Fahrenheit, Miles….. isn’t most of the views from America? I don’t think most people know how far you talking about when you say them in Celsius since most people who watch are from the states. I googled this to double check to make sure I wasn’t alone 😂. I know someone will probably say something so I wanted to know the facts
From 🇨🇦. And since USA is one of only 3 countries in the world that are still using imperial measurements I think Justin is doing a great job of including Americans.
You'd be screwed in the british army
That's why I didn't enlist
No. You tried breaking your knees and back
just wanna throw it out there, for some reason youtube hasnt showed me your videos for about a year until today... super weird.
60 pounds is way too much. 15 pounds is way too little. Christ no one has common sense any more.
Dude, you're more likely to be killed by your own dog than by a wolf.
60 pounds … like how much in kg?! Why would you want me to do the conversion? Very poor start for a video.
Hard to find out? Just as lazy as me? Less than 28kg more than 27kg
I made it to the 9 minute mark which is where I took issue with this video.
You started off making it seem like you brought extra gear and you're testing whether taking all the extra gear makes things more comfortable. I realize that you didn't IMPLICITELY state that, but it is certainly the impression that you gave.
Why wouldn't you just bring more gear that could make the trip more comfortable?
Honestly, taking a 60 lb pack just to tale a 60 lb pack seems like a "watch me rap after eating tide pods" kind of thing. Why not actually test whether taking the extra weight is worth it or not? Why not have ANY purpose other than "60lb pack challenge!!!!!!!"
How are you going to pack 22lbs of non-redundant luxury items? Like what even would you take?
@@qasd48 You cannot be asking me this in earnest.
So now adding weight is an issue?
I realize that he wanted to test the 2 pads. That eliminates a lot of the things that you'd bring because it would defeat the point of the test. That being said, it wouldn't be any issue to add 22 lbs of gear, at all.
My original issue remains. The video was set up basically saying "does this extra luxury gear make things more comfortable" and proceeded to unload a bunch of water, chocolates, etc, and not actually test out whether adding the extra gear helps anything.
@@RushCampAndPrep so you don’t know then?
@@qasd48 if that's what you think, then keep on thinking it bud. not much interest in listing out actual gear that could add to to 22 lbs.
But why??? Why not make it even more stupid and clickable if you were naked?
He could set his hair on fire as well!( cgi)