The Murky World of Bicycle Upgrades & Tuning
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- We upgrade a 2017 Santa Cruz Highball with a whole load of Chris King and @FOXFACTORY parts to make this incredible frame into an even more incredible hardtail MTB.
Some of the parts used:
Chris King
Front MTB Hub 110x15mm ISO.
Rear Road/Gravel Hub with Micro spline freehub swap
BSA Bottom Bracket and Fit Kit 4
2 different headsets to achieve ZS44/EC49
Peatys / CK Colab tubeless valves
FOX 34 Step Cast Factory with FIT4 Remote Damper (2023)
Shimano XTR Rear mech and Shifter
Shimano XT 11-45 Cassette
FC-MT610 12 speed Chainring
Some Tools used
Knipex Pipe Cutter
Unior Crown race and Star Nut fitting tool
Park Tool Wheel Truing Stand with DTI
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love this sort of stuff. breathing new life into something old. upgrade vids are just better than dream builds.
facts 👌
Kinpex pipe cutter. The engineers choice!
Hell yeah.
Knipex! Greetings from Germany.
I “hate” Knipex lol. They make incredible tools, so I don’t get to venture out and try other stuff, cause it’s usually inferior!
Gorgeous. But it is screaming for a matte orange Wolftooth seat clamp!
So refreshing to see the forks held upside down when trimming the steerer. I love a good bike build video, but most wind me up when i see the swarf heading towards the fork seals.
Keep the fork air seals covered with a clean cloth and masking tape to hold it in position whilst cutting the steerer tube to the desired length .
When I learned wheel building at United Bicycle Institute the instructor referred to the method of completely filling the hub shell with spokes before lacing as the "porcupine method". Always seemed to be faster. The other method was known as "9 at a time" since there were typically 36 spokes and was easier for learning IMO. And with that I have dated myself to the 1980s 😂
This is absolutely class. Great upgrades well thought out on what looks to have been an already cracking bike. That upgrade kit from Shimano is a great idea too. No need for wasteful replacement where the cranks are already fine.
68.5 degrees is about 70 degrees sagged. Still very steep by todays standards, I cannot imagine what it was like before... more like a gravel bike with proper suspension! But the colors are epic. I have a Chris King singlespeed 135mm rear hub from >10 years ago, and I only keep the bike it is in to be able to ride it, otherwise I would be out of options today.
My hardtail is pretty much as quick (overall when you take in road and off-road sections) as my gravel bike. But it's way more comfortable over long distances. Love your bike build
A kashima coated dropper would have looked great on this build
bike parts compatibility might as well be a college degree 😵
Standards are great, until 'they' define a new standard 🤔. And I'd argue that the bike owner wanted those cool racing car Gulf Oil colours on his bike! Love the overall simplity, with the orange colour providing the essential pop.
Great content, your tech knowledge and love of bike building really comes shining through. Your video also reflects your high standards with great lighting, audio and editing. 5 stars for you and your crew.
-I once built a 9 speed road bike with the project goal that every component had to be at least 35% off the normal price or it was second hand / bike classified parts. It was an “eye opener” of compatibility problems, component family mixture, and some real outstanding parts. My bike was a mixture of Dura-ace, Ultegra, 105 and Mavic parts. The frame & fork was close out at 60% off. It was fun but I wouldn’t recommend it for the average biker.
-Thanks again for this video. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks Mike.
Awesome build. A very satisfied customer.
Love this, I just found a 1998 GT Timberline CroMo steel frame and have rebuilt it, converted it from 3x6 to 1x10 drivetrain thing is amazing. The bike industry as a whole really needs to look at it's throwaway attitude. Good bikes will last forever if we'll maintained. Fully appreciate alot of folk can't afford upwards of £50 an hour for a bike shop mechanic to do work for them, but that's the beauty of it, with a few decent tools there isn't much you can't achieve yourself and it's incredibly rewarding. Although I have to admit I still struggle a bit with indexing and fine tuning gears.
@19:15…King logo properly aligned. That’s craftsmanship right there.
Brilliant! Love the frame (and color) and same for the fork - perfect combo. The CK parts just take it over the top as does the how and why of the build process - well done.
Glad you like it!
the bike came out beautifull
I also put a slightly longer fork on my old (approx 2004) hardtail. Slacker head angle is a revalation. Also went with more modern short stem and wide bar. It's a great way to update to more modern handling.
I also have an old CK heatset (approx 2003) on my road bike. Over 35k km, no servicing, still in perfect condition.
Nice.
Loved this. Thanks.
Great upgraded build and great video to present it.
Epic build!
Most fascinating about solving incompatibility issues is that there are different approaches. Always more than one way. That said, I would do it differently, obviously😁
go for it... tell me more
@@Mapdec OK then! My take (no intention to call it right):
- f* Microspline. Too niche, no definite benefit other than saying you have XTR all over (and I believe the cassette is SLX anyway). Garbaruk cassette then, bit of extra orange too. Yes, 50 or 52 biggest cog instead of 51, derailleur should deal with it anyway;
- both hubs Centerlock, at first thought about non-boost front with adapters in case these wheels could go on a gravel eventually, but then actually found there are boost Centerlocks. And well, if gravel bike happens, it may have its own front wheel;
- both headset cups EC: more orange! Less spacers!
- won't upgrade to boost crankset, smaller Q-factor is beneficial for XC. Also less crosschaining in lower gears. Unless BB and frame specifically ask for boost, which is not if I got it right from your talk...
Also, when building wheels, go in order radial-dish-tension-lateral. With high quality hubs and properly calculated spoke length all it takes to get 90% of the result is to count nipple turns.
Lastly, I then might start a quest to minimize black color. Unfortunately with carbon rims you can't fully eradicate it.
@@Mapdec most important thing: if not for custumer absolute must, wouldn't even deal with CK. There are perfect out of the box bearings that do not need to work themself in. And offer all combinations of axle standards.
@@feedbackzaloop that’s all valid and was part of our chats.
@@Mapdec communication is the key☝
Great upgrade love the love colours 😊
Love all the CK components!
Radial true, I've always referred to it as "the hop" , as that's what the fella that taught me years ago called it. Great vid Paul ignore the pedants and keep up the great work
Thank goodness I'm not the only one running a narrower rear rim. My Kona Honzo CR maxes out with a 2.4 rear tyre so a 25mm internal rim works perfectly there and with a 30mm rim on the front, The reverse Mullet lives on😂
A master at work. Stunning looking upgrades
Thank you kindly
The bike will look amazing in this color combo. And on one side it reminds me on my bike, I have Cube Nature EXC 2019. bike which has straight headtube and I wanted to fit tapered fork, so I installed EC44 bottom bearing and it made same effect as you got on this bike in video. My headset is Brand X and it is really well made.
Another read show, cheers
Angus seems like a proper man! You’d like him by your side during a drunken pub brawl!
He’s more of a lost in a frozen blizzard type of guy. 😂
@@Mapdec 🤣🤣🤣
Case in point here if you want a really nice bike speak to a mechanic and not a brand retail outfit. Good job on the compatibility issues and puzzle solving Paul, nice one 👍
Thank you Kevin.
Perfect!!!
Love this kind of video, much better than the usual unobtainable bike for most of the viewers watching your channel.
Glad you enjoy it!
centerlock rear and 6 bolt on the front what a madman 🤯
I know right
Looks like that rear tire is practically kissing the seat tube! Sweet bike😎
Im having a hard time figuring out on CK components, my fork is boosts, and my frame is QR 135. But after this video it gives me a slight hope so that i could restore my old MTB back to life... Great content cheers✌🏾🇸🇬
Yeah. You might need to do some adapting of the standard options. Speak to a dealer and they should take care of it all.
I wanted to build myself some nice dt swiss wheels. But since I got an old cx bike, i would need to pay quite a bit in adapter plates. Maybe next year I will get a modern frame and build from there. More universal standards would be nice.
I did a dream build years ago with a kestrel monocoque frame. Those small details can be challenging
I've had my 7075 aluminum Royal Navy blue Chris King headset since 2011🤘🤘
nice
Top !👌👌👌
Thanks for the video.
Looks like your weight loss is going to plan.
👍👍👍
76.6k. Almost there. Thank you
Great job once again Paul and how timely. I have been looking at upgrading my old M4 stumpjumper to 1x12 di2!!!!!
How right you are, as always, (I mean that in the nicest possible way) what an absolute nightmare just trying to find out what will fit and run properly.
If I manage to complete it I’ll let you know.
Good luck. I hope this helped.
It’s interesting that you are doing a Shimano Micro-Spline free hub on a Chris King 142x12 axle Road/Gravel hub. Since Shimano just introduced a 12speed HG cassette for the new 12Speed GXR. I truly admire the quality and craftsmanship of Chris King components and I’m truly impressed with how detailed you shared this build. That bike will be treasured for many more years. BTW I have the matte Grey and the Midnight ano components on my bikes. The stack spacing kit too, way overpriced but why not. I definitely see long term value with the hubs, headsets and BB’s.
The new 1x12sp GRX uses the same cassette in the video. Its hyperglide+ tooth profile, but the freehub is microspline. Needed for the the 10t cog. There are 11-50 cassettes available with 11t cog, but to really benefit from 1x that 10t is quite important
@@Mapdec ULTEGRA R8100 12-speed cassette range, 11-30 or 11-34 with both Shimano 11 and 12-speed FREEHUB bodies. Shimano did this for their 2x12 new GRX Group. Not that anyone would ever run a 2x12 or could run a 2X on a mountain bike but this allows Shimano loyalists to switch to 12 speed and use the HG free hub. I’m sure other cassettes will eventually come out with 12-Speed and HG standard
Great video Paul. I think what I would do differently is to take it for a sneaky ride before I hand it back 😝
I was so tempted. Angus turned up early 😂
Looks like a really great update and re-fresh. Now... I wonder what you could do with my Proflex 955 that I've had from new and is currently in bits in the garage....
6-bolt and centrelock on the same bike? My teeth are already itchin' 🤣
Lovely bike though and a great build 👍
Thanks 👍
Make sure you ream, face and retap everything as usual 😅😅😅
Always. Nothing leaves here short of perfect.
Santa Cruz frame with Chris King. Two of the very best companies in the bike industry. Shame about the center lock rotor mounts though.
For wheels I find Chris King on a zipp Moto 3 front and Reserve carbon or alloy rear is the ideal combination for enduro.
Wow stunning bike. Bet the parts and putting that together cost a pretty penny!
Not as much as a new bike.
@@Mapdec more than I can afford then lol
Very McLaren Gulf 👍
really nice build, but then the valves and tires arent aligned...
If you order direct from Chis King they will sell you the right bits of the headset without the need to buy 2, it might cost a bit more, but not twice as much.
Good to know. We go through a UK distributor.
Grate timing. I am trying to workout how I’m going to bring my old Tomac flint 29r hard tail frame back to life. I want to build it up as a drop bar mountain bike for fun. I like your idea with the headset. I was thinking about an angle adjustment one but going external and a little longer on the fork might be the way to go.
By changing head angle you change seat tube angle. Will you solve it some how?
Why we need boost cranks on non boost frame?
No more questions 😁😁😁
Awesome part choice!
Can fit a slackerizer that would slacken the head angle and possibly steepen the seat angle
Yes. Move saddle forward a bit. 🤏
Great work. Do hope make an orange rotor?
They do, my components are all orange, mixture of Hope and Burgtec
I guess from watching, that you do Shraner's method of lacing?
Yeah. It’s ingrained in my brain.
I have a v brake on the bike and disk on the front, as long as it stops you.
Loved the - how do we make this work? story
I'm going against the grain... 29 inch rims 🤮 😂 I miss the 26 inch days, easier to bunny hop and manual. You definitely look like you enjoyed that build! 😉
YES…brass nipples every time. Have rebuilt quite a few Carbon wheels for folks,due to alloy nipples failing….
Talking about headsets, I have a cannondale moterra lt with dreaded headset routing. It come with the acros system and I am sick of replacing the plastic compression ring! Is there any other manufacturer that offers a better solution because I cannot find much. It's an is52, bearing just sits directly into the frame, there is no press in cups as such
Brilliant stuff. Working on an upgrade to my Specialized Stumpjumper HT Pro 2016 right now as my wheels are non boost I need an adaptor for the new forks … what are your thoughts on adaptors or should I rebuild the wheels?
Proper adaptors are ok. But the loose ones you see on eBay are nasty.
@@Mapdecwhat is a recommended adaptor I have 6 bolt rotors and am looking at a rockshock sid charger
@@ilovekale try problemsolvers or hope ones
Looks magnificent except for one thing... the valves aren't quite aligned properly with the tyre logos - it was the first thing I noticed when the final build was presented. Guess that is my OCD 🙂
You didn’t notice the top cap? Damm videographer did the beauty shots before the PDI while I was on lunch 😂.
quick question, would a center lock to 6 bolt adapter make this build abit less ocd haha
Oh. Ask the audience. 😱
Folks, can someone help me...what's being smacked into the steerer tube at 14:27 and 15:07 ? Is it steerer tube support?
Crown race and star nut.
Does Chris King use 7075 aluminum for his hubs and bottom brackets?
umm. I am not sure on this one.
@@Mapdec steel as far as i no
Nice build! Matching Mango bar ends would be awesome!
Cool idea!
To my knowledge the kgf specification from the manufacturer is without a tire mounted. If you mount a tire first your are essentially going over the recommendation.
It doesn’t really work like that in practice. Winding a nipple up to that force would often strip it. In factories they use a machine to do this. When we hand build we would get to about 100kg with tyre off. Inflate a tyre, bring the tensions to about 110 now the nipples are easier to turn again and when you deflate you should be about bang on. It’s rare to see 120kg as recommended. It’s usually the max. The max on these crank bros are 140kg I think.
@@Mapdec maybe it's due to how I lubricate the spoke threads or the type of spoke I build with, but I can easily go over 130 accidentally (measured using a calibrated digital tension meter) as you can get from 120 to about 140 in less than a full turn. In any case wheelbuilding is always as much of an art as a science.
@@doncrescas yep. Totally. As as you know different rims can be touch or smooth on the inside too. I usually lube with a bit of chain oil. What do you use?
@@Mapdec after the initial loose lacing I feed a tiny drop of triflow into the back if the nipple which works it's way down.
Is it really a standard if it changes every quarter?😅
There peatys tubeless valve!
CK colab.
I think CK do the anodising so the colours match
I'm blown away that CK doesn't allow mismatching top and bottom HS assemblies. For the prices they charge, you shouldn't have to buy two of them! That's completely absurd.
Yeah. Not as easy as Hope pick and mix.
CK just came out with a pick and mix last week!
And cheaper than their usual option!
+50% of the price for PNP to the UK. 😬
Interested to know the cost of these upgrades...
It won’t take long to google.
@@Mapdec prices should vary by region and direct vs from destributor.
I love the color combination. I would’ve added orange grips and orange pedals. I think that would’ve really popped the bike very nicely.
Orange(matching of course) Santa Cruz logo stickers for the frame. And a orange chain guide.
How much do you charge for this job aproximitly? Not for parts, just the labour?
£70 for a wheel build. The rest of the work was on an hourly rate I think. A full strip down and rebuild with us is £160.
@@Mapdec Thank you for a fast an to the point answer :)
Are they not Peaty's valves?
CK colab
boost crank on a non-boost frame?
Probabaly XTR. It had a good preload system different to usual Shimano and they are still durable enough for MTB.
No, those are the m8000 series non-boost cranks
@@Dwaynefreeman m8000 exists in both boost and non-boost. There is even non-boost triple, but not this time though
Hopefully the seat angle won't feel like he's riding a wheelie with the over fork and external headset cup 🥴
Reports are good so far. It was very steep to begin with.
Excellent upgrade vid. The mango color hubs is tits. No one will notice the centerlock discrepancy when it’s on the bike. BRASS nips are the way.
❤ the channel.
The different shades of orange 😮 between fork and Chris king mango
That's not related to ocd , genuine ocd is crippling , it's having to flick lightswitches on & off 6 times when entering or leaving rooms etc, you're simply referring to those who like things nice and tidy and matching if possible.
Indeed, it's the same with the 'perfectionist' label, alot of folk will be mocked a perfectionist but they're not, they're more likely a rightist (they'll like things right if possible) but can let it go.
Love the Build
Finally No sram crap
Whose testicals were sacrificed for the axle kit.
The distributor swap them out.
Nothing murky about upgrading a bike. Like everything else cycling on uTube or the web makes everything more complicated than it needs to be. Just a little research and time.. How to ruin the looks of your bike with awful coloured anodise components. Is this now a dream build bike?
Nah. The orange scheme is Sic. Works so well with Teal.
Those rims may be nice but the light grey bands on them are annoying me. Why is one right near the rear wheel valve and the front one is on the opposite side of the rim to the valve? I could forgive the wording on the tyres not being both in the same place for both wheels as that is a easy fix but those grey bands are straight from the factory. My OCD will not allow me to like those wheels. All that being said it's a nice bike with some great components.
Guys, what options do I have out there for a rim brakes/mechanical group I wan to put on my road frame? I like SRAM and Shimano/Dura Ace usually. Thanks!
Campg Chorus
@@Mapdec any other option that is not campy? Thanks
@@Pertemba40 only retro stuff really.
Somebody has more money than sense!!! 🤣😂
Unhelpful… what would you do?
@@Mapdec Hey it's his money, but that's a lot of expensive upgrades on an older spec frame - 2 CK hubs to make 1 that fits..!! It's not a cheap way to go!!
great bike and build, looks like a lot of fun for a fast ride