So yeah Wonder Woman broke her lasso in this story, it's tied to her soul/life force and rendered her a weakened mortal with her youth and strength diminished. She sacrificed all her power to help superman, and all he cares about after watching a man kill himself and his closest ally throw everything away to help him is the personal betrayal of someone else because he never showed any real trust or humanity back to him. Pretty bleak stuff, tho the scene feels like it gets glossed over.
This story is really great, it can also be an interesting discussion about nature vs nurture, because yeah, Supes wasn't raised in the U.S. but he's not evil for being Soviet either, he still has in him that sense of responsibility to help humanity, yes, he goes astray for a while, but he realizes his mistake and leaves the world to someone who can improve it, this book and the great Kingdom Come show us that even though Superman can get mad, his goodwill will always come out and do the right in the end, this is why I think the Injustice story line especially the games get Superman wrong because he's just evil and no matter what happens to him, he's still this mustache twirling bad guy; really great story from someone who gets Superman.
Actually in injustice he’s egg on to become bad due to Wonder Woman telling him to because in that universe Steve was a nazi spy and betrayed her leading her to hate men
Weird that splitting up Lois and Clark (albeit via reboot) and revealing his identity to the world (twice) did end up happening in the main continuity. And both were rightfully undone.
I am dubious of Alan Moore’s description of physics, but it works on a philosophical level. A similar argument shows up at the end of the barely-remembered Kevin Spacey movie K-Pax.
Thank God Superman 2000 never happened. It's just One More Day, JUST one more day but for Superman. Hate all the fucking terrible ideas that people come up with for these comics.
1:02:15 i dont think that the issue.. i think the issue is more about superman not being written as a person but an idea.. and superman should always be Clark first and superman after. that not to say that he shouldnt be doing all does thing you just mention. just that people should empathize with him cause his humanity not cause of what he can do and the moral he pushes. cause without that humanity.. you only have an alien telling humans how to be more like an alien..
It's interesting that sounds the exact opposite of what people think about Batman. People like to see batman struggle from time to time but in general they see batman as an idea. A man trying to be legend, an ideal to the point of obssession that stopped being human when he loses his parents
if I had a nickel for every legendary comic book artist with the last name Miller/Millar that went nuts down the course of their career . . . I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
You can’t “explicitly imply” something, that’s an oxymoron. Sorry, had to get that out of the way. Seriously, this was a very good video. Loved all the little voices and accents, and I didn’t know the historical stuff about Grant Morrison. This is one of my favorite comics even though I’m not a huge Superman fan. Though the ending is pretty grim, but you cover that.
just wait till you guys look up who Yagoda is. i can list more stuff who got removed from history but UA-cam it's too censorship happy on the real history of ww2.
0:23 to be Fair from superficial interaction with the comics gate crew it seems harmless at first and not at all as their outside reputation. int only when you start thinking about how they cash in on outrage and propagate that you start realizing how toxic they can actually be.. that why they have gain a fallowing .
This.... breaks my heart. I don't get it. How the hell did Mark Millar make one of the best Superman Stories of all time, when 99.9% of his work.... and the man himself.... were garbage that was a guilty pleasure at best?!?!? Just HOW?!?!?!?
1:03: again i dont think they want superman to be piece of shit. what characters like homelander bring to the table is the ability to look at the flaws of the fantasy or our society. as the flaws of the fantasy ..superman origin story normally works to compliantly well.. this is also why is a good idea to give superman his powers only till he reach a certain age .. cause that actually makes it more believable that his parents where able to rise a healthy morally good person that can live up to the title of superman... while the idea that even from a baby superman had power takes more suspension of disbelief . when it comes to home lander and in general the superheros of the world of the boys... it less about what superpowers would do or allow a person to become and more about businesses and celebrity or the "great man" worship.. that plagues or society .. the boy isnt so much about..what if superheros where real as much as it is.. what if the flaws of the Capitalist complex created superheros..
The average evil superman fan is not like that, they are normally boomers or/and batman/punisher/any violent super hero fan who doesn't like that Superman is a good person, that he doesn't beat his enemies to a pulp and doesn't have dark psychological aspects and refuses to aknowledge anything about the character because of that. Homelander is a remarkable character thats is so good because he is more than just evil superman, he's a person with layers and captivating personality to the point you forget he's supposed to be a superman like, also not only him but all the characters in The Boys can get away with being extreme and doing some crazy stuff because of the air of parody around the show so you do get to see what the average evil superman wants to see without compromise character developement
I think the concept is so interesting but since it's told from a propagandistic American perspective, of course superman just has to be evil and use mind control devices 🙄. Would've been SO much more interesting if they made superman benevolent and actually reckon with the mess made by the real life Stalin and the politics of the time. But nope he just turns evil bc communism = evil.
yeah, Shooker just waits till you find out who push the commie movement in Russia in the first place. that this was a 100-year plan in the making and that it was not USA who tricked the commies to stop the Germans but the other way around god i learn a lot after i used odyess aw yeah and communism was created by the zions the same zions who want to take over Palestine by calling the same people who fight for zion freaking racist.
The death of Superman story arc was the largest, most cynical money grab i ever witnessed. It was not a high point by any measure, except maybe financially. It came at a time when people hadn't realized that comic collecting was only a lucrative activity when it's not actively marketed as a lucrative activity.
i mean it's not as thought provoking like a DKR or even all stars superman but you can't deny it is one of the big stories stories people think about it. If you really want to be cynical about it and strip all the fun you could say comics books are money grab toy ads since the 70's
@@mgs2014 klyukva is heavily stereotypical, usually overly simplified and biased/politicised depiction of Russia or more often USSR made by people who have no experience with either. Every time you see a russian guy in ushanka drinking vodka and calling everyone comrade - that's klyukva. In this particular comic, take a scene at 21:00, for example. When I saw it, I bursted out laughing of how ridiculous it was - a fucking Stalin holding an aristocratic festivity with suits and dances and all. Or how about that scene where superman sees a long line of hungry people waiting for their bread because "the system is like this". As if ration cards weren't a result of certain event in 1940s of global scale that echoes in my country to this day. Or take the worst offender - this comic's versions batman who's just normal batman, but for some reason he put a piece of ushanka on his cowl (get it? because he's from Russia now). What could've been an interesting concept had writers do their homework that instead became a parody of itself. Honestly, klyukva is the least of this comic's issues. You can't say it criticises communism or USSR, because it doesn't depict any. You can't say it criticises capitalism or "american way" either, since it doesn't dwell on it more than 10 seconds. Maybe considering it's ending it's about free will and that's the plane it puts superman's USSR (where he lobotomizes dissidents and babysits everyone) in opposition to luthor's US (where people are free, I guess?). But this theme feels haphazardly thrown in at the last moment and doesn't lead to anything. Honestly, most of this comic feels like lex luthor propaganda, down to how caricaturishly smart he is and how he can just fix any problem and build utopia on earth while simultaneously learning 100 languages, reading all books ever printed all at once and banging his wife while standing on his head. This guy isn't in any way the representative of humanity, he's another superman with only difference being that he's native to his time (since cal el is apparently not an alien, but from the future). And while the ending kinda nudges at "you probably should've taken a different route", the only way this book can "redeem" superman is by killing him.
@@kindlingking you know what i think this comic critisice extremism in both sides (capitalism and communism) but tell is this stereotype offensive in Russia or not??
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I can't believe Grant Morrison really said _"Superman... I want your marriage"_ in a very thick scottish accent! 💀
Dude is pumping these out FAST, and i'm here for it.
So yeah Wonder Woman broke her lasso in this story, it's tied to her soul/life force and rendered her a weakened mortal with her youth and strength diminished. She sacrificed all her power to help superman, and all he cares about after watching a man kill himself and his closest ally throw everything away to help him is the personal betrayal of someone else because he never showed any real trust or humanity back to him.
Pretty bleak stuff, tho the scene feels like it gets glossed over.
Makes sense now, 🤔 thanks for sharing that info
That Alan Moore bit at the end of the video was by far, one of the most refreshing things I've heard in quite awhile. THANK YOU.
This story is really great, it can also be an interesting discussion about nature vs nurture, because yeah, Supes wasn't raised in the U.S. but he's not evil for being Soviet either, he still has in him that sense of responsibility to help humanity, yes, he goes astray for a while, but he realizes his mistake and leaves the world to someone who can improve it, this book and the great Kingdom Come show us that even though Superman can get mad, his goodwill will always come out and do the right in the end, this is why I think the Injustice story line especially the games get Superman wrong because he's just evil and no matter what happens to him, he's still this mustache twirling bad guy; really great story from someone who gets Superman.
Actually in injustice he’s egg on to become bad due to Wonder Woman telling him to because in that universe Steve was a nazi spy and betrayed her leading her to hate men
Me: I’m not going to be political at dinner.
Me, 3 drinks in:
Weird that splitting up Lois and Clark (albeit via reboot) and revealing his identity to the world (twice) did end up happening in the main continuity. And both were rightfully undone.
Im not gonna lie you are my favorite comic UA-camr. Your video on Mister Freeze was fantastic
I am dubious of Alan Moore’s description of physics, but it works on a philosophical level. A similar argument shows up at the end of the barely-remembered Kevin Spacey movie K-Pax.
Just finished the video and it was excellent. Miller isn’t edgy he’s just a typical Scottish guy🤣
Really like your channel. Maybe it's the style that feels very pre 2010 but i could listen to you talking for hours
I showed the animated movie adaptation to my mom
She loved it but hated the ending
I've always liked this comic, I think it is underrated. Thank you for doing this video :P
Playa playa. Your beard is immaculate. Thanks for the amazing storytelling. Great choice, good sir!!!
i love these videos man greatest meal video
I Love Your Videos Smokey!
Man, this book is all over the place
my favourite Superman comic
Love both this and the animated adaptation.
The animated comic dub here on UA-cam has become an almost yearly re-watch!
The title is so accurate lol, I don't love most of Millar's work but Red Son is really solid
YEAH RED SCARE SMOKEYYYYY
Hell Yeah my favorite Superman Comic
Excellent job man, amazing story
It's a comic book, next question
Love Miller’s stuff
Please do Superman a nation divided!! And then Superman for all seasons!!!
The best because it's not a toxic decontruction. God I hate Mark Miller.
Thank God Superman 2000 never happened.
It's just One More Day, JUST one more day but for Superman.
Hate all the fucking terrible ideas that people come up with for these comics.
1:02:15 i dont think that the issue.. i think the issue is more about superman not being written as a person but an idea.. and superman should always be Clark first and superman after.
that not to say that he shouldnt be doing all does thing you just mention. just that people should empathize with him cause his humanity not cause of what he can do and the moral he pushes.
cause without that humanity.. you only have an alien telling humans how to be more like an alien..
It's interesting that sounds the exact opposite of what people think about Batman. People like to see batman struggle from time to time but in general they see batman as an idea. A man trying to be legend, an ideal to the point of obssession that stopped being human when he loses his parents
if I had a nickel for every legendary comic book artist with the last name Miller/Millar that went nuts down the course of their career . . . I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
Wait Millar is going to write in action comics? i knew mark waid was going to write on action comics but had no idea millar was going there too.
You can’t “explicitly imply” something, that’s an oxymoron.
Sorry, had to get that out of the way. Seriously, this was a very good video. Loved all the little voices and accents, and I didn’t know the historical stuff about Grant Morrison. This is one of my favorite comics even though I’m not a huge Superman fan. Though the ending is pretty grim, but you cover that.
LETS GOOO
You should start voice acting 🎭
Sooo Uhh
Are ya ever going to talk about what if season 2?
What is… mark millars best comic
Vol 1 kick ass
just wait till you guys look up who Yagoda is.
i can list more stuff who got removed from history but UA-cam it's too censorship happy on the real history of ww2.
I personally like the Comic Dub better than the adaptation, but that's me.
do a injustice vid pls
0:23 to be Fair from superficial interaction with the comics gate crew it seems harmless at first and not at all as their outside reputation. int only when you start thinking about how they cash in on outrage and propagate that you start realizing how toxic they can actually be.. that why they have gain a fallowing .
Could you cover the different Nazi Supermen / Overmen
This.... breaks my heart. I don't get it. How the hell did Mark Millar make one of the best Superman Stories of all time, when 99.9% of his work.... and the man himself.... were garbage that was a guilty pleasure at best?!?!? Just HOW?!?!?!?
Recommendation to the Smokey: don't be woke always be intelligent.
I NEED MARVEL ZOMBIES 3!!!!!
Damn, they really wanted to One More Day Superman…but instead, we got Communism
1:03: again i dont think they want superman to be piece of shit. what characters like homelander bring to the table is the ability to look at the flaws of the fantasy or our society.
as the flaws of the fantasy ..superman origin story normally works to compliantly well.. this is also why is a good idea to give superman his powers only till he reach a certain age .. cause that actually makes it more believable that his parents where able to rise a healthy morally good person that can live up to the title of superman... while the idea that even from a baby superman had power takes more suspension of disbelief .
when it comes to home lander and in general the superheros of the world of the boys... it less about what superpowers would do or allow a person to become and more about businesses and celebrity or the "great man" worship.. that plagues or society .. the boy isnt so much about..what if superheros where real as much as it is.. what if the flaws of the Capitalist complex created superheros..
The average evil superman fan is not like that, they are normally boomers or/and batman/punisher/any violent super hero fan who doesn't like that Superman is a good person, that he doesn't beat his enemies to a pulp and doesn't have dark psychological aspects and refuses to aknowledge anything about the character because of that. Homelander is a remarkable character thats is so good because he is more than just evil superman, he's a person with layers and captivating personality to the point you forget he's supposed to be a superman like, also not only him but all the characters in The Boys can get away with being extreme and doing some crazy stuff because of the air of parody around the show so you do get to see what the average evil superman wants to see without compromise character developement
BUT AT LEAST WE DONT SPEEK GERMAN RIGTH GUYS
So are you a pagan or a theological Satanist? Either way, this was an entertaining video and I'll continue to enjoy your content.
Yeah, I hate Red Son. I think it's terrible.
I think the concept is so interesting but since it's told from a propagandistic American perspective, of course superman just has to be evil and use mind control devices 🙄. Would've been SO much more interesting if they made superman benevolent and actually reckon with the mess made by the real life Stalin and the politics of the time. But nope he just turns evil bc communism = evil.
Batman Out!
22:00 so ussr was woke
yeah, Shooker just waits till you find out who push the commie movement in Russia in the first place.
that this was a 100-year plan in the making
and that it was not USA who tricked the commies to stop the Germans but the other way around
god i learn a lot after i used odyess
aw yeah and communism was created by the zions
the same zions who want to take over Palestine by calling the same people who fight for zion freaking racist.
its 2024 and USA was woke give or take scene the 80s at best.
now USA it woke on steroids.
Red Son is so fuking cringe
The death of Superman story arc was the largest, most cynical money grab i ever witnessed. It was not a high point by any measure, except maybe financially. It came at a time when people hadn't realized that comic collecting was only a lucrative activity when it's not actively marketed as a lucrative activity.
i mean it's not as thought provoking like a DKR or even all stars superman but you can't deny it is one of the big stories stories people think about it. If you really want to be cynical about it and strip all the fun you could say comics books are money grab toy ads since the 70's
Imagine what would happen if this superman was published in 2020s it would be probably superwoke???
who unironically uses woke
This isn't woke, it's just what we in Russia call klyukva.
@@kindlingking the meaning please dear russian!!
@@mgs2014 klyukva is heavily stereotypical, usually overly simplified and biased/politicised depiction of Russia or more often USSR made by people who have no experience with either. Every time you see a russian guy in ushanka drinking vodka and calling everyone comrade - that's klyukva.
In this particular comic, take a scene at 21:00, for example. When I saw it, I bursted out laughing of how ridiculous it was - a fucking Stalin holding an aristocratic festivity with suits and dances and all. Or how about that scene where superman sees a long line of hungry people waiting for their bread because "the system is like this". As if ration cards weren't a result of certain event in 1940s of global scale that echoes in my country to this day. Or take the worst offender - this comic's versions batman who's just normal batman, but for some reason he put a piece of ushanka on his cowl (get it? because he's from Russia now). What could've been an interesting concept had writers do their homework that instead became a parody of itself.
Honestly, klyukva is the least of this comic's issues. You can't say it criticises communism or USSR, because it doesn't depict any. You can't say it criticises capitalism or "american way" either, since it doesn't dwell on it more than 10 seconds. Maybe considering it's ending it's about free will and that's the plane it puts superman's USSR (where he lobotomizes dissidents and babysits everyone) in opposition to luthor's US (where people are free, I guess?). But this theme feels haphazardly thrown in at the last moment and doesn't lead to anything. Honestly, most of this comic feels like lex luthor propaganda, down to how caricaturishly smart he is and how he can just fix any problem and build utopia on earth while simultaneously learning 100 languages, reading all books ever printed all at once and banging his wife while standing on his head. This guy isn't in any way the representative of humanity, he's another superman with only difference being that he's native to his time (since cal el is apparently not an alien, but from the future). And while the ending kinda nudges at "you probably should've taken a different route", the only way this book can "redeem" superman is by killing him.
@@kindlingking you know what i think this comic critisice extremism in both sides (capitalism and communism) but tell is this stereotype offensive in Russia or not??
Superman being an vegetarian is just super cringe.
why
@@ricardomiles2957 because it's woke
@@mgs2014 what the hell does that mean? who uses woke unironically anyways
You need Jesus bro☦️
I hope you find Christ
Jesus needs me. Without our reinforcing of his fantasy he's just another mentally ill person influenced by primitive cults.