Can AI replace artists? - Art Department Podcast

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  • You’ve probably noticed that AI generated images are all the rage again these days in artists circles. Social media is full of it, some looks good (great even!), some not so much! New technologies see to emerge on a daily basis. In a follow up to our previous AI episode we examine the technical, moral and legal implications for commercial artists.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 182

  • @IvellScarlett
    @IvellScarlett 2 роки тому +20

    I've started my carrier as a Concept artist and 3D Artist this year. And I have to say I am very scared about the Ai Art and feel a lot of resentment towards it.
    I feel like there is no way that artist aren't going to be screwed over because of it.

    • @HPsawus
      @HPsawus Рік тому +2

      In terms of commission based work, I don’t think artists will ever be out of business. When commissioning someone to make art, you can be very specific with their request.
      Also, when you generate AI art, you don’t hold the rights to it

    • @canobenitez
      @canobenitez Рік тому

      I don't think any job is safe, only the ones that are related to physical objects may be safe for now, but automatization is not far. Insteresting times nonetheless.

  • @12flopy
    @12flopy 2 роки тому +24

    First time I saw AI work I didn’t read the description and it was done by Andrei Riabovitchev. I was amazed by that, the artwork was very catchy to the eye. Composition, values, light. So appealing to the eye. Then later I started to zoom in and only then I figured out something is wrong, nothing makes sense. Then I read the description and had realized that it was AI… then I get scary because I’m a concept art student and started to think a lot of my future

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому

      Its gonna be interesting for sure in the future!

    • @cappypyramsaudpate5535
      @cappypyramsaudpate5535 2 роки тому +10

      im a 3d artists and even I got depressed thinking about my dream job.

    • @riccia888
      @riccia888 2 роки тому +3

      My best advice for you is start studying nursing as a safety net. Trust me im an artist and graphic designer as well. Dont believe these artist selling you tutorials and mentorship telling you be a true artist and never give up, thats bullcrap. Dont forget Facebook is not like before when the social network came out. Now Fb is dying slowy just like artists job.

    • @canobenitez
      @canobenitez Рік тому

      @@riccia888 all jobs will be replaced eventually, but you are right, jobs that involver another humans, like nursery, will be the last to be replaced. Hopefully if no one needs to work everyone will have some degree of freedom. We can only hope and try our best to be flexible.

  • @eeriened3525
    @eeriened3525 Рік тому +4

    Honestly I am sick and tired of the futility of being forced to compete with god-like computer programs at everything- at work, chess, Go, making art…Im a human, and cannot compete with a machine. First it was photoshop, then Illustrator, now AI…those without talents always seek to destroy those who have them.

  • @fiddlesticks7468
    @fiddlesticks7468 2 роки тому +14

    The technology to replace a good chunk of Americans jobs has existed already. Japan for example. And it makes sense why Americans are depressed being that their jobs are fake economy filler jobs that a robot could do better than they can. For no pay. And so it seemed this realm of commercial art was the last sacred thing us artist had. Our capabilities uniquely human. but not for very long I'm afraid. My only question is where does this go?

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +1

      Skynet!!! :)

    • @burneraccount1218
      @burneraccount1218 2 роки тому

      Considering people are already being pushed to the brink in the past 2 and half years you can expect larger and larger riots if opportunities and quality of life are taken away. A real life version of the butlerian jihad is inevitable. Automation has already caused massive social/political problems: People who lost their manufacturing jobs and where not given any or enough help to retrain and where constantly brow beaten and made fun of for being obsolete now vote dangerous politicians into office as a way of chucking a human hand grenade at those who took away their livelihood. "Where this goes" is violence.

    • @sertulariae8294
      @sertulariae8294 2 роки тому +1

      painters will hang themselves and tech designers will uncork champagne

  • @TyrellzArt
    @TyrellzArt 2 роки тому +7

    I think you guys have a good point when it comes to how AI can realistically be used when it comes to designs, they aren't that complex sure but as someone who isnt even a Junior level artist/designer yet I'd say its more confusing as far as how we should adapt to that possibility going forward than anything😅.
    Love the vid!

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +3

      Thank you! Yes for juniors it can be confusing or even intimidating. But honestly there will always be a new technique or tool every other year that puts everything we did so far into question. So its good for juniors to get used to it as well. :)

    • @DMitsukirules
      @DMitsukirules Рік тому

      @@artdepartmentpodcast The difference is there was never a tool that was "do the juniors job but better than the juniors"

  • @serenartix
    @serenartix 5 місяців тому

    Thank you guys! That was flaming 🤘

  • @mags7163
    @mags7163 2 роки тому +3

    Honestly this is horrifying to hear as someone coming out of college. Did I spend all this time and money to basically be replaced with a machine?

    • @Taskicore
      @Taskicore 2 роки тому +1

      Yep.

    • @riccia888
      @riccia888 2 роки тому +1

      Your parents was right all along.

    • @trialshdultimategame
      @trialshdultimategame Рік тому +2

      Naa dude keep going there are many people that will still pay for handmade art. I know I personally couldn't buy AI art because art being handmade is part of the magic for me

  • @RandomPerson-di6mn
    @RandomPerson-di6mn 2 роки тому +33

    I'm still trying to improve my skills but now I'm confused if I will still continue to practice because art careers in the future might be bleak with this AI/machine learning phenomenon. I need your thoughts about this guys.

    • @syedsharyarjavaid9853
      @syedsharyarjavaid9853 2 роки тому +21

      same here man totally depressed. hardwork worth of a mountain to climb it will take only to see AI has made us obsolete? hope and pray not!

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +17

      I don't think there is any need to be depressed. If anything we should be excited. This is not gonna replace artists but its gonna aid us in coming up with better ideas. Nothing can replace the imagination and feelings of a human.

    • @cgooch_
      @cgooch_ 2 роки тому +4

      I agree with ADP. I’ve been dreaming of the day we get an ai assistant to boost productivity and streamline mundane processes. Think of AI like a tool, or brush, not a competitor.

    • @jadenkarim5367
      @jadenkarim5367 2 роки тому +20

      Yes, it's over, try to catch other professions if you still have a chance, I am not sure why so many artists are not seeing the danger in this AI thing for their career? probably they are the ones who already got huge success, but the ones who still striving for success in the design world will suffer from this AI phenomenon. Because it does not just make AI images, but also animations, video edits, scripting for films, original music, text to speech, image editing, deepfake, and much other stuff related to design and film professions. It's already producing high-quality stuff just imagine what it's going to do in a year? I think the professional in this industry must address this to upcoming artists or the one who hasn't found any success yet.

    • @cappypyramsaudpate5535
      @cappypyramsaudpate5535 2 роки тому +4

      @@ivanmatveyev13 yeah and then that something else gets automated and takes out another 99% of the workers there with the remaining 1% pushing a button to make x better. Now we have tons of people working in factories because they couldnt pay bills and learn a skill in 2 months before a new AI is released.

  • @Ppxl88
    @Ppxl88 Рік тому +2

    I remember in 2019, art was listed as a profession that wouldnt be taken over by AI, haha. How times change

  • @gabudaichamuda2545
    @gabudaichamuda2545 Рік тому +7

    So here's a thought: A.I could come back to bite the big industries in the backside.
    There's a distinct lack of "humanity" in A.I art. Furthermore, look at the industries of film, gaming and overall entertainment right now: They are pumping out junk. Repetitive, everything looks the same, boring, and full of propaganda. The entirety of the industry has lost its humanity in the seas of conformity.
    PIXAR is a prime example. Their characters are so cookie cutter in terms of style; there's no real innovation or uniqueness about them. Whereas you take, say, three different animators drawing by hand from the old Disney Studio, and none of them would be the same. They have the distinct Disney "style", but they maintain a sense of humanity and individuality. Example: Thumper (Bambi), versus the White Rabbit (Alice in Wonderland.)
    A.I is being made by a group of inhuman billionaires to generate money and dehumanize society (as if it hadn't been enough already). It's all about control and dominance.

    • @innanoshe
      @innanoshe Рік тому

      well, untile then, they will continue to pump out the generic stuff. It's easy money.

  • @FireBert85
    @FireBert85 2 роки тому +6

    the biggest test for the question of "is it using *insert artist here* style?" for me was Syd Mead, and Sparth. Take the same prompt and just adding either of those, was immediately identifiable as their work. colors, form language, even Syd's gauche painterly style.
    I do wonder as far as concept design, specifically for larger IPs, (Halo, Marvel films) that have tons of imagery on the internet, does it make sense for the art departments of those projects to type in identifiable imagery to shortcut their process? (ex. Typing "Halo" "Sparth" "warthog" "video game" will give you shapes that are abstract but defined enough to be read as those things. Why would an artist, working on those projects, build those assets from scratch if they can get a reasonably useable base to photobash on top of immediately using these platforms?)
    Emmanuel is onto something that (at the moment) the AI won't know things about exactly the detail of emotion you want in a person's face, as an example. At this point all this AI imagery still needs a deft hand, a designer, a story teller, to refine these prompts into something actually final. But, I do think it's the next evolution of photobashing. I can take 10 solid images of , say, matrix-style mech robot suits, pick the pieces I like the most, and bash them and see if I can get a concept that I, personally, like. These ten images in the hands of 10 different artists will produce X many different concepts. So, consider all of that as it relates to photopacks / stock imagery. Instead of paying for photobash.org packs to cut up, you can pay for access to Midjourney, get inspired by what you think you see, and modify and change it to find what you think is in there (And! still go to photobash to get the images that have all the photo-real detail that is currently lacking in the AI imagery. )That's still very much a very personal decision and thought process. Is it any different than going to a museum, everyone looking at the same painting, and still walking away with a different feeling or emotion that it stirs?

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +3

      Very good points here! We also think its going to be just another tool that will help us but not replace the artistic process.

    • @burneraccount1218
      @burneraccount1218 2 роки тому +5

      Remakes are so common now because newer movies are totally forgettable and bland: a lot of that has to do with photobashing. HR Giger designed the creature in Alien; he brought his own totally unique lived experience to that project. Alien is remembered in a way that 99% of modern sci fi films aren't. Photobashing leads to bland, unmemorable designs and this AI stuff is basically automated photobashing that leads to even more generic, bland vanilla pudding nothingness. People are already complaining that marvel movies feel like they're generated by an algorithm and use of this is going to make things even worse and more bland than it already is. If humanity goes down this road its going to collapse the film industry; the video game industry collapsed in the 80s because of an overload of samey, careless swill and it can happen again.

    • @FireBert85
      @FireBert85 2 роки тому +4

      @@burneraccount1218 Totally agree. There will always be a market for purer artistic expression, and people always react / identify those things that are an artist's clear vision. Then, in another bucket, is the mass commercialization / remake / lowest-hanging-fruit designed hollywood blockbusters. AI doesn't replace the need or interest in still experiencing an artist's raw point of view, whatever that medium is.. But, AI will undoubtedly be a huge tool for the rest of commercial art as a whole. And you can choose which to experience as you wish.
      And a small edit / add:
      Photobashing is a tool / process used by nearly all film and television productions, at different scales. Go to the Art Directors Guild website, subscribe / download their magazine, and you'll read and see all kinds of productions that couldn't be more different stylistically, thematically, narratively from one another. Photobashing is a term for a process that helps the creative teams on these projects do the collective work of bringing these worlds and stories to life more efficiently--both the larger Hollywood blockbusters and the art house indies alike.

  • @adrianmontanez4475
    @adrianmontanez4475 2 роки тому +3

    i think good sir that there is a difference beetween art and craft... AI can't make art, is just a industrialized factory for creatives... why to craft a sword like medieval people if we have technology, everyone will be tired of the precious and hiper detailed and static images, so this is a race but to improve the format, everyone will have a high budget studio

  • @alexschaefer8255
    @alexschaefer8255 2 роки тому +7

    I think at best this can be a new medium to help artist he more creative. The other terrifying aspect of this is that digital art fraud is basically unstoppable. Hell you can take an artist style and out produce them. The other aspect of this is we have no idea what direction AI is going to go in. We were all told that being an artist and being creative was impossible for an AI. We were told that repetitive sole sucking jobs were the ones going to be replaced first. To a degree they already have. If you look a the course of history and technology. It’s not people who are in charge it’s profit. Profit for a select fire but even for those few it was always about what generates profit. In lot of ways humans have been out of the drivers seat the profit equation has been in it. People who want specific things and love the arts will go to artist for input and work. There will always be humans who value and can afford human made things. However that is going to be a tiny market. All I can say is the course of how and whether this ai will take our jobs is not up to us. It’s up to the profit equation.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your thoughts and I very much agree with the profit equation. If it's bound to make money for someone it will be advanced and used in that way.

    • @milosfrydrych6536
      @milosfrydrych6536 2 роки тому +3

      I am sorry that it is developing like this. Yes, AI in a good case, will help to develop other directions, speed up work, develop inspiration. But it can also lead to us stopping to develop our imagination, because it will be more convenient to write a few words and the result will be 99 percent done... Where is the path that develops us, shapes us? This is true not only for art, AI is very developed in many other fields today...
      And most importantly, is anyone discussing this with us humans? Is it a handful of scientists in global trusts that will rule?

  • @innanoshe
    @innanoshe Рік тому +1

    Not sure how long ago the pod was but it hasn't aged too well in this regard: Ai being able to iterate, being able to understand design.
    The tech is moving very fast.

  • @Alex-jx8ez
    @Alex-jx8ez Рік тому +2

    "well it cant do this" and programmers will just say "oh really? interesting." Two months later it will be able to do the thing. (Stop pointing stuff out)

  • @PhillipRauschkolb
    @PhillipRauschkolb 2 роки тому +3

    Seeing where AI is at with this currently…it’s only a matter of time before concept work can either be generated completely by AI, or at the very least the AI output can be used as as a huge head start for concept artists to start from

  • @vitalymuzyka1027
    @vitalymuzyka1027 2 роки тому +5

    Only start my career in game industry as concept artist, im not great artist, know blender, 3d-coat, zbrush a little and was thinking where i need to go deeply, but know i dont know is there any point in doing this? All that ai stuff make me nervous about future...(

    • @12flopy
      @12flopy 2 роки тому +1

      Same with me …

    • @daveweinstock
      @daveweinstock 2 роки тому +1

      @@12flopy The future IMO will be about generalists. Those who can juggle multiple roles because the tools become so efficient. There may not be a need for specialised artists eventually.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +2

      Interesting point. One thing that has always been true about our profession is that it never stand still, we need to continuously learn and reinvent ourselves!

    • @daveweinstock
      @daveweinstock 2 роки тому +3

      @@ivanmatveyev13 Nonsense, we are nowhere near AGI yet.

    • @daveweinstock
      @daveweinstock 2 роки тому +2

      @@ivanmatveyev13 ​ Let me know when Dalle 4 can export 3D models with animation with consistent topology. Then I'll be worried :D

  • @eileenjensenpugh267
    @eileenjensenpugh267 2 роки тому +2

    Great discussion. So far AI is intriguing but seems like a style all its own. Photobashing, kit bashing and AI are all sort of like music sampling, once you mix it all together the individual samples become something beyond the source materials . 3D rendering has also gone through an evolution where once upon a time your hand and eye and talent were all you had, but technology has evolved; from photography, scanning and eventually 3D renderers like Keyshot or Maya. Move lights around and assign materials and you can look like a master. For commercial production it all seems fair game to me, use every tool in the box if needed! Keep focused on your own original style and voice, this will be the last thing the computer will be able to do.

  • @salty7182
    @salty7182 2 роки тому +12

    AI will take over art, it is inevitable, anyone who says otherwise is just coping, and not only art, it will take over many other jobs. Those programmers who created these AI thinking they're helping humanity are delusional and selfish.

    • @OrdinaryPersonah
      @OrdinaryPersonah 2 роки тому +1

      I think with time , ai will get good enough to make some really impressive artworks with less imperfections, but still it's not making artworks on its own, it is using vast database of original art made by human, if humans stop creating, then will it not limit the ai art as well, ai is just remixing the already created works but doing it very intelligently, so yes the ai art does look original but is it ? But when it comes to creative jobs, it will be able to replace almost all of them, bcoz it will fulfill the need. Probably only the top tier artists will remain.

    • @hedonismbot3274
      @hedonismbot3274 Рік тому +1

      And very naive.

    • @kylelee5966
      @kylelee5966 Рік тому

      imagine AI taking programmers jobs

    • @Adrian19032
      @Adrian19032 Рік тому

      Absolutely

    • @Adrian19032
      @Adrian19032 Рік тому

      @Nicholas H problem is; will we even be able to tell the difference? Will they even care? When you have millions of prompters uploading on a platform they'll be able to drown out the professionals anyway. By sheer numbers alone.
      Also the issue of authenticating wether something is made by AI or a real person. We don't know how this tech will evolve further down the line. It's still just in beta.
      Maybe in a couple of years it'll be able to emulate some sort of process aswell. To emulate how someone would go about creating something from scratch.
      I find it ironic how these coders started with painters and illustrators, then music, animation. It's telling isn't it?
      I can't help but feel like this is some sort of revenge of the nerds situation.
      We're just being used at this point. This will have devastating consequenses for the future of human creativity at large.
      Just to prove a point? To render creators insignificant and despondent?
      So far they have farmed 2.3 billion pictures. This AI collects decades of any illustrators hard work without any fear of legal repercussions. Whereas whatever the AI copies and pieces together is copyrighted by their own company.
      Backed and protected by huge megacorps and rich investors. What could go wrong? 🙃

  • @miguerys9503
    @miguerys9503 2 роки тому +1

    Well, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say...
    Damn straight THIS IS THE LAW and not a matter of opinion: downloading images, making a pastiche out of them and use it, even for personal use, violates author's rights, and if you somehow benefit from that image you are not only violating explotation rights, you're scamming the person you're selling it to, because you didn't create it, nor did the AI, because the AI doesn't create, only steals.

    • @hedonismbot3274
      @hedonismbot3274 Рік тому

      Exactly. How even artists can be so naive concerning AI is beyond me. Especially the ones that did not put hard work into their skills are probably like "yaaaay i won't have to work as hard anymore". Laugh now before you are replaced.

  • @wilsonandrescarreno606
    @wilsonandrescarreno606 2 роки тому +3

    There are so many implication on this, for me is way beyond a new tool, is not even a resource, first is case of highly unethical programming kinda reminds me when facebook deployed "graph search" and give that tool freely to the public without even stop for a second and think on consequences, where any engineer accountable for that damage? do they even realized it? Asides of that some of the images I've seen are just breathtaking with a level or detail and composition that goes over my skill, even "design" results are remarkable on its beauty, and what's it's more worrying is this is just a bit of its potential, It will just get better, and a rhythm impossible to follow for a human mind, maybe you're underestimating the machine or I'm underestimating the humans, hope I'm wrong with this, what seems true is the change on the creation process, at least for digital artist seems unavoidable, thanks for bring the discussion.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому

      You're welcome!

    • @jenny-DD
      @jenny-DD 2 роки тому

      Is your middle name naive?
      Ai gonna destroy Artist career completely inside next 21 months

  • @OrdinaryPersonah
    @OrdinaryPersonah 2 роки тому +2

    Even if ai gets too good with art generation, it will have to stop or it will devalue the whole point of art, bcz it will flood the whole internet with too many artworks where everyone is calling themselves artists, it will be a total mess, some rules will have to be made or bye bye to creativity

  • @sumitpawaskar1207
    @sumitpawaskar1207 2 роки тому +2

    I guess. Whenever new technologies came it is like this one group is like nothing will change another group is like this gona be everything. I guess many things will change but its not all

  • @OrdinaryPersonah
    @OrdinaryPersonah 2 роки тому +6

    I think with time , ai will get good enough to make some really impressive artworks with less imperfections, but still it's not making artworks on its own, it is using vast database of original art made by human, if humans stop creating, then will it not limit the ai art as well, ai is just remixing the already created works but doing it very intelligently, so yes the ai art does look original but is it ? But when it comes to creative jobs, it will be able to replace almost all of them, bcoz it will fulfill the need. Probably only the top tier artists will remain.

  • @malacodart
    @malacodart 2 роки тому +4

    Have you checked Dall-e 2?, the latest results are so good that you can't tell it's an AI, that's a thing to have in mind, AI like midjourney are so easy to spot to the point you get bored by the results pretty soon, Dall-e 2 takes this to a whole new level, Dall-e 2 vs mid journey might be to compare a playstation 2 to a playstion 4.
    But I don't think it will take over, AI relative to a person is extremely dumb, we should look AI like tools, in that regard AI is ridiculously smart, I don't think an AI coul produce something new like an Eivind Earle or a Beksinski , it might copy them without problem in the futre, but it's not going to be able to actually produce new styles, just merge existing ones. When we humans do this merging of styles we tend to add our human experience and imperfections, AI can't have an actual live, just emulate the life of people that have already lived.
    AI it's going to change the world and I think it's going to be for the better, it will destroy old jobs to create new ones and it will empower artists.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah we saw that and linked to it in the description. We don't think its gonna take over either, but its gonna replace certain low level work and will be more of a tool for artists to use.

    • @HCforLife1
      @HCforLife1 2 роки тому

      Midjourney will get update based on crazy huge data feed in not far away future. In some aspects the MJ is better than Dall-e 2. If the MJ will get the mentioned update that will revolutionize everything. You can use MJ now for simple character design or baseline for true illustration or concept art

  • @alexameskoa1010
    @alexameskoa1010 Рік тому

    As a storyboard artist I don't feel as threatened. Sequential images need consistency, mood, direction and different lighting. These things aren't in AIs understanding, yet. Overall, I think if an artist does use it, he's betraying himself.

  • @WDReed
    @WDReed 2 роки тому +3

    I recently have been running into instagram accounts with like 10 posts, all of which were very strange yet quite striking art. Today I finally saw the #midjourneyai under one of the posts and started searching. I knew this day would come, but my goodness it came quick! The fact that the beta version of these programs are such high powered phenoms is a bit unnearving. I pride myself in emotional expressions, solid design and strong foundation.. which seems to be the best safeguard to this tital wave... but will that really be the case in five years from now? Thats hard to say. I primarily work in oils... but will 3d printed AI "collaborated" framed panels be filling up the galleries 10 years from now..... I can't say. There was a time when cities were packed full of live bands and musicians playing music at events, bars, restaurants etc. Now you find the occasional DJ with his ipad pushing play. That comes to mind when thinking on this topic. On the bright side, this topic brought me to your channel and to your art, love it! Take care.

    • @jenny-DD
      @jenny-DD 2 роки тому +1

      It's gonna get worse for Artist
      We use to be starving Artist 🎨
      Now we are the Assistant to the Ai robot Artist 🎨

  • @pengyuzhang1179
    @pengyuzhang1179 Рік тому

    ......AI has Amazing learning speed that none can comprehend , will certainly replace 70-80 percent of artist in any creative field, but the top 10 tier will always thrives as they have long been leading the trend. whatever we might learn , AI either already have learned, or will be able to acquire it in the near future.

  • @rutrem09
    @rutrem09 Рік тому

    i did use one "AI" image generator, and make it run different expression on one face , taken from internet, to see how would alter the image...was 99,9% garbage, few times , when the "AI" was altering the image, in the results, was clearly visible the watermark of the image taken from the internet , that was interpolating/merging with the provided image.

  • @karnoldas
    @karnoldas 2 роки тому +2

    We had a discussion in our studio and one question was- can it make call out sheets for concepts? and thats where it's posibillities ended :D never the less tools like MidJourney is great for early stage exploration.

    • @daveweinstock
      @daveweinstock 2 роки тому +2

      Definitely, Midjourney and Dalle-5 in their current stages aren't going to replace anyone. However, how much further does it have to go to get that point? Till it can do contact sheets? Hell even full on 3D models? I'm not sure, but I think it's probably closer than expected. It's insane how fast Machine Learning is moving and the speed of which innovation is happening seems to be increasing.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому

      Definitely great for inspiration and idea gathering. We expect to see a lot of AI art on mood boards! :)

    • @jadenkarim5367
      @jadenkarim5367 2 роки тому +2

      @@daveweinstock Yes thank you! people seem very calm about what AI has achieved now, but the real question is what's going to come? with the speed of things moving with AI, I am sure it will replace the designers. And if the designers still defend this that even if AI took over, eventually we humans have to share the prompt to produce the work, making artworks in few clicks? sorry, then we are not really designers. I don't know why, but I really hate this image generating, AI is going to be zillion times smarter than humans, and it can evolve itself. The more we are using these AI neural networks the more they are becoming efficient at their jobs. sooner or later they will take over every digital space! You guys should do a video, on the whole, AI mega projects, it does not just image making but AI has already replaced many other jobs! look what happened in the Amazon warehouse! thousands of humans replaced by machines!

    • @daveweinstock
      @daveweinstock 2 роки тому +2

      ​@@jadenkarim5367 I completely agree with you and what is interesting to me about all this... Is that they are automating things that I think a few years ago were not possible, figured there would be some "linear steps to it". People who say "It looks like it's AI generated"... Yea that'll be solved too and quickly. I think by the end of this decade it'll be indistinguishable from a human's output. Which begs the question..
      Why bother with Human designers at all if it's cheaper and faster to just type a few sentences? It will be able to sample billions of human-made images... Which would equate to probably hundreds of thousands of years of human experience in creating said images. I think people "over-optimistically" think that it won't be able to create "new" things and only humans can do that with their emotional touch and what not... I think that's not true when you look at the sheer scale at what it's able to look at. It'll have access to more visuals than any of us could consume in multiple life-times.

    • @jadenkarim5367
      @jadenkarim5367 2 роки тому +2

      @@daveweinstock Exactly, this AI phenomenon has escalated so quickly than we ever expected and it is growing at an alarming speed. Thousands of images popping on my social feeds which apparently look super detailed and realistic, created by my friends who don't even take one class about design, they are not even in this profession. It's already becoming a tool for common people, they are making images even with their damn phones now! that took us "designers" weeks to create one piece of art.
      It's not for us designers to decide that the market will not fluctuate, it's the consumers, the clients, the producers, the money folks! they will not play dumb to still pour thousands or millions of dollars to hire professionals for this job. I wish that I am exaggerating the situation over here but the fact is sooner or later this is going to happen to our industry. The people who are on their top game might still secure their jobs and probably that's why they seem so calm, but the middle artists and newcomers will definitely suffer consequences.
      The whole new economy will be set up for this game like what they have done with creating NFTs to blow the use of digital currency. They hand out the big auctions to a few artists on NFT, Only 1% of the designer's population made good cash out of it, and the other 99% would be just feeding their meter on gas fees! the big trend rises all of the sudden everyone making NFTs without knowing how much it's hurting the true art, and now with this whole AI thing, I don't even know what my job is, why the hell I choose myself to be a designer? if this has to become a joke today. The competition is getting massive every day and with the AI rising it will get much harder in the coming days.

  • @innanoshe
    @innanoshe Рік тому

    Difference between sampling and training...

  • @matthewclapperton8673
    @matthewclapperton8673 2 роки тому +1

    Been waiting for this one! Knew it had to be coming.

    • @Nylon-xj9ml
      @Nylon-xj9ml 2 роки тому +1

      It's been on my mind eversince MKBHD released that video

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому

      Hope you enjoyed it!

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому

      We actually recorded it the day before the MKBHD video came out. Was funny to see that come out hahah.

  • @sturm3d
    @sturm3d 2 роки тому

    Interesting Topic. I don't think there is a scenario human visual artists will be replaced by AI, where a depiction needs to be specific. I am less sure if that goes forever for musical artists. I also missed listening to Jan's knuckle cracking. Glad that you guys still keep presenting constructive discussions on your views. Looking forward for the next talk.

  • @abielmuren
    @abielmuren Рік тому +1

    AI will never replace Artist, because, the real artists do art because it's completes them, same with the real buyers of art. And for a Film or Entertainment is the same, bc everyone wants consistency and AI doesn't have it. But as a way of finding inspiration is good, and as a tool for repetitive things is ok

  • @bestofrock945
    @bestofrock945 2 роки тому +1

    Loved this!

  • @Nylon-xj9ml
    @Nylon-xj9ml 2 роки тому +3

    Yeah, I liked Nekro's original stuff sooo much more. Maybe he's coping with his own anxiety by over-embracing AI.. I don't know how our spheres will look in the future. I highly doubt artist will lose thier value tho.
    On the other hand, we are being extremely selfish. This is obviously a good thing for humanity in general.
    I once made a video game in Unity3D for a uni course, I utilizes the assets that were there & also used some bits of code to accomplish certain things, I loved it & was so proud of what I created. What I did was certainly not possible like 20 years ago
    Did the tools I used extinguish the need for programmers & 3D artists? No, it just introduced a new set of values & skills they need to have. In that way, it made their lives easier and harder at the same time.
    The only problem here is we don't yey know how the artists sphere will look like & how to adapt to it *yet*. So, it's okay to feel a little bit anxious.

    • @lvl99paint
      @lvl99paint 2 роки тому +1

      This is a good comment. I guess it just means even if it doesn't replace art jobs, it might seriously cut down on the number of art jobs going around, or increase the number of skills companies look for.

  • @afkcnd2395
    @afkcnd2395 2 роки тому

    Theses AI actually don't use any source material, just as in our brains there is no segmentation between computation and memory, neurons form the memory and perform the computation at the same time. neural networks don't use external photo references or source material. It's all in their neurons.
    Huge amount of art is used to train them, but when the training is over it doesn't need to go back to the training data ( just like us)

  • @MarioSundays
    @MarioSundays 2 роки тому +1

    Also look at Dall-e2

  • @saltsumatra481
    @saltsumatra481 2 роки тому

    something you said around 22:30 has got me really concerned. I'd love to speak to you about this but making any public statement would not be good for me

  • @Antares-vj7su
    @Antares-vj7su 2 роки тому +3

    I think you are understimating the AI a lot, there's an entire music video made but AI and it's mindblowing (or terrific)

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +1

      And at some point AI is gonna produce videos that other AI's are gonna watch. Then we've come full circle. :)

  • @armstrong.r
    @armstrong.r 2 роки тому +3

    Artificial intelligence? Probably not. Machine learning? Possibly.

  • @picosdrivethru
    @picosdrivethru 2 роки тому

    that being said, it makes me really happy that is fails at design. Design is what matters the most imo. Everything else is technical busy work ha.

    • @Groveideer
      @Groveideer 2 роки тому

      You have to understand that it is only a matter of time before AI will take over graphic design. Could be in a year, maybe two, maybe ten. Nonetheless AI will be able to do it, faster than you think.

  • @michaelyork420
    @michaelyork420 2 роки тому +2

    It's the opposite of art

  • @1gnore_me.
    @1gnore_me. 2 роки тому +2

    I believe as the technology and tools become more complex, AI "curators" will become almost as highly valued as great artists ... because it takes one thing to input a string & have an AI generate an image, and a whole separate skillset to recognize a good piece of art and iterate on it until it's perfect & perhaps touch it up in some interesting way.

    • @trialshdultimategame
      @trialshdultimategame Рік тому +1

      Already saw ai that is made to curate prompts. If ai art can be programmed sure as hell the prompts for it can be easily programmed so these "AI curators" will have there jobs taken faster than the artists

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 Рік тому +1

      AI curators will be other AI. We are all training them with our prompts right now. The easiest job here is the prompt gen, no way that will be left to people at the end of the day.

  • @Jiin7
    @Jiin7 Рік тому

    Im just gonna use ai as reference for my portrait art. It cannot do what i want. It cant draw comics

  • @fancycrafts7774
    @fancycrafts7774 2 роки тому +1

    I do not understand this “it will help you be more creative” argument I’m seeing everywhere. Do you need a preexisting image before you can make something? And why are people ignoring the fact that it can produce faster, cheaper, better and with more variety than most people on the planet, and that’s in its early stages. Wake up, unless you’re one of the few people who will have a cushy job typing prompts, or in the already niche physical art market , you’re working at Walmart. Sorry you spent decades learning a craft, too bad.

  • @Deadsmegma
    @Deadsmegma 2 роки тому

    Ai to replace humans in all avenues, in accounting to pipe work, to UA-camrs to presidents.

    • @artdepartmentpodcast
      @artdepartmentpodcast  2 роки тому +1

      I think they would come to the conclusion that certain jobs really don't need to exist. :)

    • @Deadsmegma
      @Deadsmegma 2 роки тому

      @@artdepartmentpodcast what, the Ai? Hopefully not artists...

  • @AzeAlter
    @AzeAlter 2 роки тому +1

    Next up is ai generated films, then ai generated VR

  • @martyfrank3548
    @martyfrank3548 Рік тому

    BAN unethical prompts. I dont care how fun or "neat" it looks.. its decimating the markets of tge unique artists that its ripping off. The US ruled against AI art copyrights for some very good reasons. Aweful. Heartbreaking

  • @Jiin7
    @Jiin7 Рік тому

    Nah ill just use ai for brainstorming ideas. Ai cant draw and paint better than me. It is very limited atm.

  • @rq3849
    @rq3849 Рік тому

    I am not an artist, nor am I a programmer.
    Very few cared when crafts like weaving and pottery were replaced by machines. The same will be true of art, then music, then film. Isn't creativity a unique combination of information? Isn't this exactly what ai art programs are capable of?

  • @unkopower7899
    @unkopower7899 Рік тому

    they say porn has driven all new media technologies in the beginning. VHS, DVD was great financially for porn producers. Internet in the beginning was great financially for porn BUT then it DECIMATED porn with all the free content. Now with things like Only Fans it's great for some. AI art I think will be similar to what free content did to porn. Side note: who knows what porn industry will do with AI art.

  • @ginoandrei1217
    @ginoandrei1217 2 роки тому

    hi guys, nice discussion, regarding design I think AI will pretty soon able to learn the principles, design is not abstract or that abstract, so the algorithms will be more easy to input. I think it will be soon when you just give him 3 4 ideas and he will start creating something close to your idea.

  • @SonnyBurnett2012
    @SonnyBurnett2012 2 роки тому

    And you aré worried about aí generated ART...things gonna bê terrible when ai will replace ART with photographic quality.

  • @StriderAngel496
    @StriderAngel496 Рік тому

    31:50 "if it gets *THAT FAR INTO THE FUTURE* .... 7 mothls later.... I really don't think you people can comprehend what exponential progress means...

  • @StriderAngel496
    @StriderAngel496 Рік тому

    You're in denial my guy! You just don't wanna admit it, but it doesn't matter, regardless of what you think, if AI can do it better than it wins. And it can do it better now!

  • @StriderAngel496
    @StriderAngel496 Рік тому

    the fact that you think humans are so special.... proves that you are just artsy type and understand nothing about neural networks and machine learning... These algorithms learn like humans do (by example) and all of that story telling and emotion that you talk about is already contained in the final result... you should check it out again, because you did this months ago and you think that's that... well.. no, in a few months, AI can make decennia worth of leaps :)