Having been off the power grid since 1994, I became a woodgas user in 2012, and I wood never go back. I have YOUR videos to thank for this, as they gave me the courage to take the plunge, and 'set fire' to my generator :) .
@@VictoryGasworks is there a reputable company that builds systems? We live remote in Alaska. I do not have the means to weld. I would love to be able to run a 9kw generator this way as it is very hard to get gasoline up here.
Ben, I bought your book years ago. I am a decent welder, mechanic, engine builder, fabricator, and can fix just about anything that breaks on our farm. But, I also have a full time job. I collected all the materials for the gassifier to run a 25Kw Kohler generator that came off an oil rig. An old inline 6 Hercules engine repurposed by Kohler. It will run on diesel or propane. I have never had the time to use your plans or build the parts required to make your gassifier. In the end, I bought a 25Kw generac automaric standby generator dug the trenches and ran all the electrical for the auto transfer switch, upgraded our incoming 100 amp service to 200 amp service, and plumbed it into our existing natural gas line to run our property in case of emergencies. All this is connected via the internet and notifies me on my phone automatically when the genset is running either because it is doing maintenance exercising or due to a power failure. In this time of owning your book I also built from the ground up, a 35Kw off grid solar system. Building all that was easier than following the plans in your book while working 50 hours a week plus running a farm. Our home and farm have been offgrid for the last 5 years. Your plans for the gassifier are just to time consuming for anyone but fanatics that have nothing else to do in their life. I'm also a successful investor. Your juice just isn't worth the squeeze. I've read your comments telling people if they can't build your gassifier they can't use it. Bullsh!t! I fortunately have more money than time, and would have gladly paid you ten to fifteen thousand dollars for a pre-built unit 8 or so years ago, just to play around with it to see if it would work for my usage scenario. I spent $20k on batteries alone for the solar system! I guess you didn't need the money. I say all this to say : It sucks that someone else is exploiting your idea for profit, but that is your fault. You failed to provide the product people were asking for, so someone else did. That is not illegal. That is capitalism. You seem like a decent guy, but this video does not help you at all. I understand why you thought you needed to post something, but this video makes you sound whiney and jealous of someone making a profit. You should have consulted an attorney instead and let them advise you and handle it.
Отличный комментарий,благодарю. У нас в Украине есть тоже такой мечтатель,у его есть свой канал,он ищет инвестора уже 11 лет,хочет 1 миллион долларов за чертежи,и вы знаете,никто ничего не даёт. Он устал в гаражах делать эти установки,мечтает о производителе у которого будет сварочный робот,и будут выпускать 90 установок в день.
i pioneered a gasifier design.. on the shoulders of Imbert 15 + years ago. there were people who came visited my farm on which i constructed the system, i took time with these men...and given that i have had no followup from them i figure they came to steal my ideas and cut their development time. i also knew nothing about commercial thievery. (now i are smarter ) i even offered a set of my plans to you Ben...you may remember. you are a class act...thankyou for your service. Dale Costich
That's dirty pool on their part. I hate it when people take advantage of others or misrepresent themselves to any accord. Your rewards are before you Sir.
I see that Steve change your design and made it easier to clean and break down and move. I like both you guys but I had to look at his newer videos and It is different, so get along guys. We all are thankful of your work Ben, you have laid the ground work and paved the way for a lot of us.
This sucks that you’re having to deal with this! I’ve been tracking with wood gas for years, I purchased your book some time ago and plan to build one when I move back home! Thank you for all your efforts! I hope the best for you!!
Seal failure? Gas Leak? Ben must have forgotten how a gasifier works. The negative pressure system causes air to be pulled in and gas pulled through the system. ANY leak anywhere in the system would not result in gas leaking out, but in air leaking in. He knows this and is just trying to scare you. Those high temperature seals are rated for industrial use that have much higher safety requirements
Your lack of hundreds of hours and hundreds of cycles woodgasing shows well in this statement. When the engine is stopped. The sucking gasifier negative pressure stops too. The still hot gasifier hearth keeps producing gases until fully heat bled off. These still producing gasses will then positive pressurize the whole system. Spewing burping out where ever they can. Carbon monoxide gas. Then that other "improvement" . . . the space gaping direction changing black runner elbow coming out of the filter can. Hard engine pulled this will gases flow heat. Soften. Can you video prove this will not collapse sucked flat? Yes? No? Maybe? S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Wile I can appreciate that you are Ben's friend and will not accept anything I say in my defense, I have been building this design now for about 6 years and have likely built more of them than anyone else including Ben. I think I have a pretty detailed knowledge of this design and operation, so let's just agree to disagree.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Again, we will have to agree to disagree. If heat is a concern for the elbow coming off the filter to the gas exit, the user can always just upgrade this elbow to a higher temperature connector or even use a straight connector. When the engine stops, any gas pressure in the system is vented through the lid.
@@steveoffgrid485 Again you lack of substantial usages shows. The spring pressure on a good hopper lid design is to allow for pressure relief of an-in-hopper event. Many pounds of positive pressure. Should NOt allows any significant leakage on just gasifier inches od water column pressure when the system self pressurizes. A failure open to atmosphere will allow for easy outgassing. And once a gasifer hearth does heats-bleed off the internal pressure then goes negative again from the hot internal gasses contracting. Any easy to the outside leakage then suck in atmospheric oxygen re-stoking the remaining char bed and back to becoming a carbon monoxide producer. And these all hard learned are why this DIY book system was intended to be an all weld up system. That is safety for beginning operator users. You want to turn them into Guinea pigs, beta testing your changes. Shame on you. S.U.
You don't have the experience and testing. It shows. The seal will leak, air will enter and mix with gas causing a massive release of heat, further destroying the seal and then the engine will shut down from a poor mixture and the machine will smoulder and release gases into the user environment. Or the blower burns up and the same result happens.
Dang that is just heart breaking. You all reading this; those of us that have developed our technology, this did not come easy. We have spent gob's of money, poured our heart and soul into this and we have had many sacrifices in our journeys. My company has gone through over a million dollars in its 10 years of development. Every penny of it was self funded by me or directly from the company. We are not getting wealthy from our companies. Our intent is to bring an old technology to a modern level that not only will fuel an engine, but will do so in a practical and viable way that is easy to use at higher level of quality. That is something I think we all share in common and strive for. You can not achieve any of it unless you have personally put forth the development efforts and have had the opportunity to learn by failure. Until you have you will never know what works and what does not. If you think building a high quality functional machine is easy think again this is not as easy as some UA-camrs make it out to be, nor will it come cheap. Build a gasifier out of junk you end up with a piece of junk!! Making changes to Bens design is a recipe for disaster as now this guy is more than likely going to design those things that "dont work" and has not encountered yet, back into it. KInda puts the whole reverse engineering into new perspective; taking good design that works backwards. I am very proud to say that Ben, myself APL and others in the wood gas community are doing things on level that is way beyond anything that has ever been done before in the past. We have the tools and technology today to make this tech viable were in the past these new technologies simply did not exist. We are the true innovators here and there are only a handful of us globally. Do not support this copy cat rip off. If you are interested in building a DIY kit or purchasing a unit pre manufactured from any body. First you must demand that builder show you an honest video of it working. Not no 5 minute video either any gasifier can run for five minutes and generally those that show those short videos;; this is more than likely as long as they can get it to run for before the machine crashes and stalls the engine out. What you want to see is a video of at the very least 15 minutes of stable engine running plus loading it down and note video edits. If the video is edited during anytime of the machine start up and then engine running there were problems I promise you. Also note the builders generator in the video. If you dont see them using that same generator over and over again. Then that probably means that generator is toast from excessive tar production. Ben I really hope this is resolved asap. Steve needs to put forth the efforts and start his own development, put his own money into it and come up with something that works on his own. Until that happens he will never be a builder; just a wanna be.
Agree with you. I have seen you grow as a company. We meet at Argos Woodgas show in 2016. You have been totally committed to the art of woodgas and respect you input. Ben has also someone many of us respect and follow his work. People who invest time and energy deserve the be rewarded for that effort. Ben don't be put of by doing good. It will come back to you. Thanks
Thanks for your efforts. These corners are not to be cut. I have been following your hard work for years and bought your book. I understand your feelings. Be Well and Good Journey. Richie
I saw his review on top of your book at Amazon and thought that seemed suspicious. I'm sorry to see this kind of thing happening, but a friend and I just got your book and plan to follow the instructions to the tee. Thanks again for putting out that information.
I've been interested for about a year and gathering info and materials. Recently became aware of you and your work. I will be purchasing your book! This video is eye opening I want to travel down this path as safely as possible. New subscriber! Thank you again.
Hi Mark Meyers, which inner tank? The lowest inner that the air nozzles screw into? The mid-line inner that forms the inner wall of the pyrolysis accelerator section/ Or the top inner that form the inner wall of the hopper monorator (feedstock drying) section? Refer to line illustration on page 51 of the combined third addition book to see these named. No jacketing dimension is hard-fast set, "must-be". There is dimensional flexible here to allow for different era's of propane tanks. Just so long as all of the welds are gastight as verified by stepped water testing. And each section is included for it's own functioning. Regards Steve UNRUH
@@markmeyers1291 Hmm. You have the metric book? Then my verson 3 book in inches page numbers may not corospond. In the version 3 book pages 64, 65 and 67 shows that you cut the inner tank on the top and bottom rounds to leave a 10 1/2 inch, call it 26,7 cm openings. On my page 64 it says the inner tank should be ~12 inches in outside diameter. The picture shows the uncut inner tank to be ~12 1/4 inches top to bottom, ~31 cm. The importance is to retain enough of the upper and lower curve for later. Too big of an inner diameter tank will crowd squeeze your insulation space you are setting up for. Read ahead a lot for purposes. Too tall of an internal tank will move everything up internally. Be flexible to adapt over to what you can get while retaining the distinct area's needs-to-function. That; and absolutely gas tight weld where called for are the keys. S.U.
Not a gasser? I have been supporting and recommending Ben and his books for more than 6 years. Ben has endorsed all of my work until greed got the better of him.
Confess up. It was you on the cusp of selling Manufacturing Licensing rights overseas, that has lit off this fire. You lit off BenP. You took a dedicated for Do-It-Yourself system, commercialized it. And were now wanting to make the big buck off of this design. S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Sorry to burst your bubble on this but this is simply not true. This is a retirement business created to help educate, train and provide parts and services to customers to ensure they can obtain a safe, fully functional wood gasifier, nothing more. I am not, have never claimed to be a manufacturer or have any desire to grow the business beyond what it is today. Yes, I receive inquiries from all over about potential opportunities as does Ben, but these are just inquiries. I have never offered to license Ben's design to anyone and from the example you mentioned, I contacted Ben directly to see if he was interested in some type of collaboration, which never panned out.
@@steveoffgrid485 You aren't a wood gasser. You are a business opportunity guy. You don't integrate a range of engines, you don't test wood species, you haven't run a vehicle. I pulled my support because it's obvious you don't use the tech and I told you in January to clean up your act. In February I told you to do your own thing and take on your own liability. You chose to build a commercial assembly shop and plow forward, now you are trying to pretend that you are a victim. This is pathetic. Who is your father? What nonsense did he teach you? Again, if you are such an expert, why don't you build your own design... coward?
@@VictoryGasworks Mr Peterson you are a hypocrite. You complain about copyright infringement and yet your video above you have used video clips that you do not own. That IS copyright infringement which you have shown you do not understand. Remove your stolen clips and do the HONORABLE thing...Who raised you man!
@@rjh3678 Your husband is impersonating my work in a half-assed dangerous way. I have a duty to warn the unsuspecting public. These images are fair use. Your husband stole images from my site and used them for 5+ years. Who are you to complain?
Recently subbed due to a recommendation someone has ripped off your book also. I always support and give full credit to the source so seeing as you are the source of the r&d and hard work put in to these clean looking gassifiers nice job. I hate leaches especially if they take credit for your work and try drag your name through dirt they create. Hope to get building my gassifier soon want to experiment with some heat exchange to immersion tank system for hot water and using a cooling stack to header tank running cooling radiators with 12volt fans. Do you think its possible to run full water jacket on primary output from reactor or just coil around output?
I have been watching the Development of Off Grid 48. & when Gridlessness Perches one To build for them-self to ues I followed intently. when it was first fired up I must say Along with my knowledge of the WW2 model of wood gas generator. it failed at first to produce gas That is what I call grade one gas. But product plenty of grad two gas Which is often damp in nature. I found That,1962 was a frigid & wet year. & my WW"2 gas generator my father used & i operated. product an overabundance of damp smock. just like the Off Grid 48 build did. I solve my problem by attaching a charcoal colon to the Generator & sending all damp smocks into the colom. before lilting the Flair. the inlet had a valve so it could be shut off. before lilting the flair. to ensure a good vacuum. the charcoal tube would Bern of the oxygen in the. damp smock & we would have class one gas for running Combust-chon engines. I suggest This can be achieved with the Off-Grid 48 Modal today. Les England
Thank you for making this video I'm in the beginning stages of learning gasification I just started fabricating my own gasifier from your book I perched on Amazon. Thank you for writing this book I am excited about wood gas.
Wow, I hate people like that. You're the one that wrote the book so you're the only one I'm listening to while my friends and I build our own gasifiers.
I happen to have an older copy of your book, Ben. You clearly state in the book description you can start your own business. I noticed you recently updated the books description and removed that phrase, and added "For educational use only." Doesn't seem very honorable to alter evidence that may refute the argument you're making here, wouldn't you agree? Maybe I should make a video trashing your name to "bring you to honor." Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this is a petty shakedown on Steve because he was able to make a successful business out of something you couldn't.
I wouldn't exactly call it petty...he sent me 3 emails over the course of 4 days demanding a long ridiculous list of demands and payment of thousands of dollars or he would publish this video. By definition that is blackmail. As Steve stated earlier this is all about money
@@rjh3678 And which Steve said this Ms Honkus? Me? SteveU. SteveH.? (Honkus) SteveNZ? (CNCmachiningisfun) Specifics matter. BenP is forced to due this so later when a supplied system user "Bio-Masses" with tire chunks, urban plastic waste and poisons themself and their family sues every single pocket their lawyers can find. When that off-grid system user stuffs a supplied system down in their basement and carbon monoxide kills their whole family; cats and dogs included. CO poisoning deaths happens during every single cold season. Every single Grid-Down event with gasoline electrical generators. A woodgasifier produces multiples times as much carbon monoxide as a gasoline electric generator. So this whole presentation; comments and all; becomes his legal distancing proof that you have failed to supply him. DYI building the builder assumes the majority of the risks If warned of those risks. Complete system supplier liability mostly falls back onto you. the system supplier. Ask your lawyers about this. Steve Unruh
@@Wood-For-Power1 oh so this is all about BenP attempting to relieve himself of any liability/ So even though he followed Steve for years, I find it very hard to believe that he JUST noticed these so called "problems". If he was a standup guy, he would have discussed this but he started the conversation with threats to my property and retirement, a long list of demands that our lawyer says he is not entitled and a demand for thousands of dollars The other point I would like to make is that all of Ben's accusations are based on his impression, there is no first-hand knowledge of any of the claims that he makes so let's just put him in the same category as Cassidy Hutchinson.
@@Wood-For-Power1 I have to wonder where benp is getting his legal advice from...hopefully not the $29 per month legal shield lawyer. He can add statements to his current book and publication but that will not release him from any prior liability
I bought plans for the Waste Bot and have some questions. Has there been any full load testing or anything available for the people who bought these plans? I believe the Westabout cannot reliably be cleaned or taken apart for maintenance. It's a super cool idea but just that; an idea. Since spending my money I have seen nothing about this. Everything on the internet is taken down. I never received an e-mail stating this thing was a failure. The wastbot cold of burned your house down...
Man, sucks when somebody steals your work. In this market, why don't you find a qualified manufacturer for your designs and sell a finished product? Seems like a pretty incredible opportunity to me, with the benefit of helping a lot of people beat high oil prices. I know I personally would love to build one of your gasifiers, but I would much rather just buy one from you. I just don't have the time to build one myself.
People that can't build, can't integrate the machine to an engine and it just sits in their garage. A gasifier is for one type of person only- A RESOURCEFUL PERSON
Thank You Ben. I haven't yet done any builds and this information is critical to the safety and well being of those that are following the Bible that you have set forth. Again, thank you Sir. Rich
As far as I can tell, its not really a knockoff. No more than a septic tank would be a knockoff. Improve the designs. I doubt if its more than a hobby business because we're mostly tightwads. I can't use any of the popular gasifier designs because I'm using wood chips.
@@VictoryGasworks Good to know. I'm just a lowly Machinist, and my welder is certified in pipe welding. We want to build a couple of these for personal use, I want to make sure they are right. Sorry about this joker ripping you off.
@@TheKlinkI watch Scott's, engineer775 videos a lot too. My problem is no scrap yards here will sell me propane tanks, or compressor tanks, because liability issues. I might be forced to build a modified FEMA gasifier, like flash001USA.
Price gouging? I believe Ben sold a gasifier of similar design under Victory Gasworks more than 10 years ago for around $15,000USD. Ben has been retired from the wood gas business for more than 5 years and likely hasn't built a gasifier in years. He has no idea as to current costs of materials or labor to build one of these gasifiers
Yes, true these all stainless steel, all fully truly multiple flanged module systems and did sell for this. Had advanced gas to pumped water heat exchangers. Had advanced settlement/gas sweeping features. On many the mounting skid WAS the labyrinth pathway cooler. Similar? Only in the number of air jets and internal hearth dimensions. And these were made for the I-Wanna'-Buy-Complete fellows. The book system was for Do-It-Yourself out of common propane and air tanks for the reast of us. You Sir, have indeed taken this and commercialized it for that other $$$$$ market. Grow a pair. Develop your own design for yourself, and your buyers. You are ripping off this design and putting it to other purposes. Stop using his unique grate activation system Stop using his unique produced gas heating input pyrolysis accelerator section. Stop using his inner insulation retainer sleeve. Hell. Stop using his lid latch down design. S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 I am an owner of the book and have every right to build and sell this gasifier if I choose as does any other owner of the book(s). I have always credited Ben for his design but have also acknowledged the shortcomings of his design and instructions. My goal has always been to help owners of his book obtain a safe and fully functional machine through education, workshops, parts and support services, none of which Ben provides. I have never claimed this to be of my own design but have added some significant improvements to make it safer, easier to build and better functionality.
@@steveoffgrid485 Yes true that the 1st addition book allowed for build one - sell one to pay for yours. Maybe build two. One for you. Another for a friend or family. NOT serial manufacturing. Which you are doing. Why the new power sheet metal roller. And building. S.U.
@@steveoffgrid485 Where does your right to build commercially come from? The book clearly says for educational purposes only. It also says "you agree to hold harmless and indemnify Ben Peterson, my company etc, which you clearly haven't done. You are making a flawed knock-off that looks almost exactly like the book, has no name plate or warning labels and has a point of failure you engineered in. I buy steel all the time. If a sheet of steel is now $250 instead of $125, that is only $125 more and doesn't constitute a reason to charge an extra $2,500 on the price. You are inexperienced as a manufacturer. Your bird shit welds are the proof!
Thank you for sharing your work and experience! This video came in just in time! I discovered a few months ago it was possible to run a gas engine on wood. (We live on solar in the middle of nowhere. Needing gas for the generator isn't being self-sufficient and puts us at the mercy of the system) Since I've done research and bought your book. However, my skill set has much to grow before I feel competent enough to attempt my first build. As such, what offgrid 48 was offering really appealed to me. But after watching this video, I came to my sense and like everything else in life there are no shortcuts! Thank you!
What this video is; is the real Ben Peterson standing up for himself. The real Ben Peterson who IS and has been true Offgrid living for years now. My friend BenP is not white-haired golden voice guy, in the bib-overalls in the previous video. Certainly not the white-haired guy in/on the OffGrid48 web site. The Ben Peterson in this video is the real Ben Peterson woodgasifier systems designer and book writer. The guy who I've personally known for 14 years. I've seen his gasifieres made, evolved for those 14 years. Hauled off the boned out NOPES - not good enough, scraped out prototypes. Ha! Ha! I've sweated, labored with Ben, even bled-earned and now have one of his not quite right yet prototypes. Good enough for me. It's evolved "better" was ~20% enlarged, had one added jet and a raised sealing joint to no longer burn out that seal. Only then: did it go into mainline production. The real Ben Peterson has the too rare quality of Integrity. And honor. All of this accumulated, experienced gained knowledge is why his book published out system for DYI's is an all welded up unit. Safety. Modular building is a whole level UP in skilled required capabilities and costs to build. He knows. He has had the trials and tribulations to know. In his book system he gave away for just the cost of the book distinctly THREE patent worthy woodgasifier performance enhancement features that were his, never been done before. Buy the book and You got to build ONE for yourself. Maybe one other, for a friend or a family member. M-a-y-b-e even three as he allowed for the one sold to pay for your's own materials costs. But NOT serial production. NOT make-a-business-operation; on his design and features. I will be a testifying witness in any court actions on BenP's side. Steve Unruh
Nicely put. Though I have thousands of hours of woodgas engine runtime under my belt, I fear that I will never know as much as the REAL experts out there. Accordingly, I wood never try to make a gasifier for sale, unless the buyer was happy to accept all the mistakes that I wood surely incorporate into its design. Keep up the good work :) .
Have your book and starting to gather the materials. For the hobbyist - I purchased a YES First Impress 5-in-1. Has MIG, TIG, STICK, MMA and Plasma cutter in one machine! So easy to use for the beginner and hobbyist needing to weld. Get some scrap and practice. Oh yeah - both 120V and 240V. Will let you know how my build goes. I have a duel fuel Champion 9000 I am wanting to provide fuel for.
I understand as a welder fabricator this is easy for you. The average person does not want to tackle something like this. Not from scratch at least. Why don't you start producing parts, higher workers and make a factory, so we can buy these wood gasifiers from you. Even if you just did the difficult parts, and ship them, with some assembly required, even light welding on the other end. But you have to understand, the average person, sees your wood gasifier plans, like buying one of those kit cars, where you have to do everything for yourself. People would rather buy one of those kit cars, where they provide every single thing for you, you just have to put it together. But those kit cars, that come with plans, and tell you, now find a 1987 blah blah blah car and source these parts from that.. no real person ever wants to do that stuff. You might as well sell a cookbook, that says here are the seeds, now go out and grow the vegetables that you're going to use to cook.. nobody is going to do that. You're never going to have a business, selling books, on how to do this yourself. You need to actually start making this product either for sale ready to go, or in more manageable kits. People love this kind of stuff, you would have no shortage of customers, once you could actually buy the product. But most people's minds, your product is completely theoretical, because they would never be able to build it.
People that can't build, can't integrate the machine to an engine and it just sits in their garage. A gasifier is for one type of person only- A RESOURCEFUL PERSON
@@VictoryGasworks so you're telling me that it is impossible for you to sell a functioning unit and motor on a pallet that you deliver ready to turn on? That sounds like the biggest excuse I've ever heard. That would be like general motors saying listen buddy, if you can't weld up an entire F-350 then you shouldn't have a truck. You as the professional build the entire unit so all the end user has to do is load it with fuel and operate it which you can give them a video of how to do. Have you ever flown on an airplane.. did you build that airplane? Are you a licensed pilot? Oh so you're saying that you can use complicated technology that others have built for you. You said that that other guy was selling units ready to go for almost $10,000 and they weren't even as good as yours. Put two and two together since you make a better mouse trap, sell that trap! Don't sell directions that are too complex for 99% of people to build The mousetrap and therefore mice are running rampant. You're supposed to solve a problem with an invention, not tell people I have the solution, but you're incapable of using it. That means that's the designer's fault
@@Bozemanjustin You are such a Tool of the current system, man. I counted over 750 youtube subscriptions on your channel you follow. Geez man! You are just the keybording social voice, for all of us, eh. Now take 1/10 that time and effort and take a community collage welding course and actually do things in metals, eh. Easier. go cut wood. Whole learning cureve to that to be effective and safe. Then actually heat a residence for a whole year on just that wood . DO-Learn realities. No-o-o-o. You exposé a whole sheeple sign-here; click buy-now; this-will-make-you-safe&happy; consumer life style. "Go to the freezer and get the box." " I bought Insurance so now I am safe." No&no. You satisfied the moment. And are just broker and defiantly not safer. Here's reality of your "instant" gratification I-spent-my-money lifestyle. Buy a new cell phone. Buy a new laptop and then spend hours getting to do want you want no matter your previous experiences. And even they using it for years discovering new capabilities until the hardware wear out. It's software system is no longer recognized, useable. Operating woodgasifers is a somewhat dangerous, enriching muti-dimensional experiences. Only in REAL power. Real power can slice, dice mangle, and burn you. I'd never fly with you. Go pester others of your 750 subscriptions. S.U.
I just want a working wood gasifier and theres almost no options out there. Where can i buy one thatll actually work well enough for a long term grid down? Anybody?
I just tried sending the link to your video to someone who just got a device from that guy but my comment is gone. Don’t know why but it’s gone. Not even up for 5 min. Soooooo, after seeing your video, if you’d like to reach out to him and have better luck than me, the channel is Gridlessness. By the way, after I watched that guys video I showed it to my husband and he thought it was neat too. Although we have no current use for it, I’d guess a kudos goes to for your engineering and hard work. I hope you have an easier road ahead with your legal matters regarding this situation.
And another Ben'sBook patterned DIY system showing able to gaseous fuel power an electrical generator: ua-cam.com/users/shortsE-kxspmkHww Don't let any neigh-sayer scare you away for up-off-ass getting it done too. Your only real impediments are your own self-imposed limitations. Wood can make your electrical power. S.U.
I bought your book , im scrap yard running for materials pretty much every other day . Trying to get what i need to eliminate some welding and fab work to speed this build up a bit . Im gonna have to get the steel for the heat recycle you have in here. One question i have is how am i gonna make this work on fuel injection. I actually want all wood gas if i can get there. One thing is a certain. I wont be buying new material and i wont be buying from anybody trying to gouge me😂. I dont do that in any facet of my life . Im a big diy guy on most everything. Im an hvac guy by trade . But i grew up always having to handle everything i needed. These days im building a house and coming totally off grid . No contractors here. Ive had to stop buikding to address this fuel issue . So in about to do just that
Fuel injection is tricky, it depends on which year and the computer codes you need to deal with. Better to start with a carbureted engine and learn on that to reduce the variables
Next instructional installment. Down below BenP is criticized for offering up his Book systems as an all welded-up system. Saying it needed to have been made modal to be better. All of BenP's Stainless steel gasifier systems; experimental; one-off special order; series-serial production units were modular. User proof videos. Engineer775's year 2010, 3.2 Offgridder; electrical powering his whole farm: ua-cam.com/video/yYGKn12Weu4/v-deo.html Same system a year later having powered many engines as explained by Scott. Unit torn down for inspection. Listen to the words. CC enabled. So, translations are possible: ua-cam.com/video/b9IrX-5My8c/v-deo.html This same era many-were-produced Offgridder fully modular model can be found half a world away on SteveNZ's cncmachiningisfun channel. Find his comment below for his channel links. He really shows up close detailing of his Offgridder. Then a three years later Bens Built all stainless-steel system in the American SE. Also fully dissemble modular but with integral flanges, and quick release latching: ua-cam.com/video/oWeRWGQK5gA/v-deo.html This later system is semi-automated. Listen to the grate activation. Cooler moved to under the mounting skid. The owner of this one still has it and was answering valid woodgas questions in his comments section even now years later. American SE hurricane country so I figure really needing Grid-Down power for the home AC's. Modular greatly increases the skill level to construct and greatly drives up the cost to build to remain effective, and safe. Quick cheats on this will fail and leak. These early all SS unit did not externally run nearly externally hot as a carbon steel unit. SS transfers heat much slower than carbon steel. Look for these used. I have potentialized the sale of three used market pop-up BenP all SS units in the past year. Great deals. Ha! Ha! I am clutching mine until my hands are cold and dead. Build a Ben's Book system all carbon steel DO add on the outer insulation wrapping, and the metal wrapper skin. It WILL thermal-chemically function better and be touch hot much safer. Stev Unruh; who was there 2008-2012.
Ben - I have been subscribed to you for years now and I never received this notification! I had seen several of his videos and I am pissed off for you! Sorry, Brother! We still are trying to get things built from your book here in Northern Nevada!
If you have seen OffGrid48's videos, you should look at Steve's response and get both sides. Ben is acting like a child because they had a falling out, and this is Ben's sad attempt to slander OffGrid48.
Hi Ben, I have both the bible and the metric book and also reached out to Steve for a price for a kit. Thankfully he doesn't ship to Australia. Would you like me to forward you the email or only if i had purchased from him?
How could you think this?? On the VictoryGasworks channel linked above there has been 9-11 videos been put up by BenP in the last 7 years. Averaged two new a year. His originally published book in 2014 , he has revised and expanded it out three times: 2017; 2020; 2022. That is all ownership activity, man. Steve Unruh
@@mathewstephen6277 ua-cam.com/video/AX4MKIDvXLM/v-deo.html Adult concepts here iceman. In your worldview anything not under lock and key; behind barrier fences is fair game, eh? Great world you; Honkus; and the Portuguese speaking kid are creating, man. Rape. Pillage. And piss in the water after drinking to claim and foul. Well not quite yet Bub. Not quite yet. Grow up. Steve Unruh
The meaning of indemnify the author/publisher seems to have been "twisted" to mean that the builder has to have some kind of insurance in place .....what kind of BS is that? Correct the spelling mistakes in the book too.....fecking annoying :D
Honkus is posing a DANGER to gasification by cutting corners like this. His design flaws could result in carbon monoxide poisoning. This will turn ugly for him. Lawyers and State and Federal agencies are involved. It's that serious. If you have given him money, please contact us woodgas@gasifierplans.com.
@@rjh3678 You are manufacturing machines that have a known flaw. You have not labeled these machines over the last 6 years to even tell people to use them in a well ventilated area. You are in deep trouble at a federal level. Steve can cry bully all he wants. He came into my world, I didn't barge into his.
@@rjh3678 I have tested many different gaskets and design variations over the years and I know for a fact that those seals will fail. Period. I'm willing to sign an affadavit on it. If you are so confident then have 3rd party testing done. Keep running your mouth Rochelle. Selling a machine without a manufacturer name plate and safety labeling is a violation of the federal Consumer Product Safety Act. The Washington Attorney General and the CPSA are going to get involved soon. This will likely go to US District Court. The Federal government doesn't move fast, but when they do, they come down hard. You are knowingly putting out a machine that will leak flammable fuels and can hurt people. All for a few bucks? You are the greedy ones. And lazy. 6 years and Steve hasn't done the work of being a competent user/integrator + your husband's welds still look like bird shit. That's why he ended up with a 600 lb paper weight. Kiss your retirement goodbye sweetheart!
Your next skills building up investment into yourself: gasifier gastight welding. Here is a video of a WA State guy doing his 2nd vehicle W.K. system building up: ua-cam.com/video/NqVMJrzLtNc/v-deo.html He shows grinding to pre-clean before welding. Cutting with both an ox-acetylene torch, and a plasma torch. Shows him two hands steady MIG welding. Free hand MIG tack welding. At 2:49 he shows water testing his welds. At 4:25 he talks about smoke testing some of his welds. M.N. does not consider himself a professional welder. He is in his works truck and equipment maintenance shop. He currently commutes 100+ miles a day on his first W.K. woodgas system. Five guys have done these in WA state now. 3-5X as complex and needed inches of weld lines as on a Ben's Book system. These two; and only one other world-wide have proven able to use seasonal wet picked up woods. And IF OPERATED best practices NOT tar up engines. This last can ONLY be learned by hours and hours of year around engines running. We experienced all say the gasifier system is only 25%. The operator is the other 75% Steve Unruh
The next MIG welding lessons from M.L. . . . barrels and tube metals THIN welding and fitting up: ua-cam.com/video/TaCK97PaOSQ/v-deo.html Again, he is building a Vehicle W.K. system woodgasifier. 3-5X the welding lines of a Ben'sBOOK gift system. Which is designed that it can be made up with a stick welder. All of these info posts I am putting up is good nutritious cheeses to go with the "Bens Book system is too H-a-a-a-rd!" wine'ings. S.U.
Guys each and every one of you has the means to verify BenP's warning that those out of hearth red tubes connectors failing. It is in your driveways and garages. Your vehicles, pickup trucks and motorcycles. I've been wrenching on all of these since 14 y.o. back in 1967. Every single V-6 and V-8 exhausts have burnt me. Many stresses cracked and putt-putt leaked too. IC engine exhaust loaded and worked runs up the exhaust metals to ~450F and higher running out to at least 40 inches to one meter. A woodgasifier internally finishes out at 600F internally. Run that out thru 40 inches to one meter and all guys consistently measure that as 450F metal surface temperatures. Go look, touch, see. All metal in some form. No plastics or silicone. Crack out your surface temperature probes and see. Use your Infared no-contact tools and see. Modular disconnectors there need to use any of the engine exhaust form systems. Three eared flanges with ceramic gaskets. Ball and socket spring bolt drawn tight. The newer V-band type. ALL readily available as pipe/tubing weld on joints. Use your own eyes, and see this. Steve UNRUH
Oppsie! I made a mistake above. A woodgasifier internally in the thermal-chemical Reduction section finished out at 600 degrees CENTIGRATE. That'd be 1112 degrees Fahrenheit. The real engine working WOODGASSERS routinely measure their gasifiers output mentals temperatures as a min 450 degrees Fahrenheit. A woodgsifier internal temperatures are much higher than an IC engines internal temperatures. A 500 degree rated material cannot withstand this as a continuous operating temperature. Again fellows look at all of your engine exhausts systems and you will see no rubbers, plastics or silicone pieces. Far down stream in stand-off hangers only. And the term "woodgasser" has been in modern era 21st century common usage for 20+ years. It is an action word. It is a term of respect for those who are actually wood consuming to work power use their IC engines. Designers, design. Doesn't make them Users/Doers. Salesmen, sell. Doesn't make them Users/DOers either. Ha! Ha! And of course Critics do none of any of this! No pains. No gains. "Those who cannot DO, teach." Be a DOer/User of woodgas to power your Life. Then you too can be considered a woodgasser. Hard core woodgasser will be measuring you up by the size of your fuel wood pile. Expect this. All working woodgasifers are fuel-hogs. You can't sweat the woodfuels and you are not taken seriously. Because you ain't ever going anywhere on your own power. Steve UNRUH
Pay it forward? Ben talks a good game about looking out for the community and paying it forward but he has failed on all fronts. He is not interested in the community has not provided support for his books, builder workshop videos or offered ANY improvements to his design which is more than 10 years old.
The book has been revised twice now and is in it's 3rd edition. Useable engine s sizes went DOWN to 500cc versus the original 1000C due to ongoing improvements. Now this last few months a metric, full SI measurements version too added. Next to come the 1st non-English language version. How can this be an untouched design or presentation? Quit lying man. Quit exaggerating. S.U.
You are so jealous. I have done nothing but help you and this is the best you have? The book isn't a business in a box, it's a DIY build for low resource situations. Hence the propane tanks and muffler tubes. If you are such an expert, then why don't you build your own design and stop spamming my comments?
Wellie, well, well. I found that SteveNZ's works do not directly link up from his comment here. So here's the easy-see (hard not to accent pick up for me from SteveNZ's cheeky presentations): ua-cam.com/video/zDKhDM2IHU4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Jh3UrgixYEw/v-deo.html He has two more Ben's Built OffGriider systems video's. Trolley building. Then IC engine adding. In one of these he shows his current in-use named Gas-O-Matic 9000. A long use evolved, use-improved from some old should have never been let out 1st gen VGW carbon steel Woodie model. Shows 2000 hours use on the time clock of his system. A many times now modified and needed rebuild from useages corrosions system. Yeah. Carbon steel: go thicker metals and deal with the weight for use-life with corrosive woodgas, alright. SteveNZ it is failures and climb-back in the saddles now at 2000+ loaded electricity making woodgasing that does make you an EXPERT. Quite the journey from those first FEMA days 9? years ago, eh. Off-Grid need-to-be's fellows . . . SteveNZ is the real deal. DYI powering he says since 1994. Learn from the best. Using, depending-on, is the real use-proving. All else is words-gassing. Best Regards SteveU.
And just in case anyone is still confused who designed this system and hard operation ran proof tested it . . . here is a now 7 1/2 year old system maintenance video by the real BenP ua-cam.com/video/L1BPE-XgJIA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/L1BPE-XgJlA/v-deo.html Note the safety warning labeling on the true original. Steve Unruh
Thanks Steve. For those of you who are newer to gasification. Steve U was instrumental in the earliest Victory Gasworks shop and helped me with hours and hours of wood gas testing. We tested various engines, but also lots of different feedstocks as well like stick wood and corn. Wood gassing is fun for real wood gassers. We enjoy it. Its not a chore to chunk wood when you have the power of a billion dollars worth of refining technology next to your tool shed.
WoW, what a lowlife fella, sorry you are going through this. The honorable thing he could have worked with you their is enough interest in this technology this fella went wrong way being a sneaky pretender, pretending being a friend, this is the worse kind of person. Stand back don't let this destroy your vision, motivation for future development it's only a bump in the road. Expand horizons get motivated building kits for public an easy assembled kit for the average weekend mechanic. Sell the main parts that are not easy for average folk to complete, Assembly with regular tools there are many opportunities out there with your years of knowledge in this field. Stay Well and strong. Oh by the way, there are many folks out there that would invest in this technology either in small amounts either hands on with funds as well as just funding,. Offer kits in different stages of completio. JUST SAYING
So Ben...start making shit again...I'd buy a real parts kit. I was going to consider his stuff till I saw this video. Cmon man...make wood gas great again.
Thank you for this video i am deep in my research of this subject and found a video posted just 3 weeks ago by a vlogger family i follow showing what i belive is them buying from this man a gassafire system kit to build at home. I will post the link to the video they posted and its right at the beginning of their video. Thank you for posting about the dangers of this issue. I see you have not posted in a while so i hope your still active and see this message. ua-cam.com/video/HhnrKHF8BWU/v-deo.htmlsi=HmC4Ox65LGjPTIAV
Another in the last 10 years commercially built unit that pops up 2nd-3rd owner for sale: forum.driveonwood.com/t/vulcan-gasifier-fs/6100 Link IS SAFE to click away too. You'll learn something. Steve UNRUH
@@mathewstephen6277 Really dude you are just so woodgas knowledgeable inept. O.K. child we will begin. Three round chamber cans versus two. Pretty obvious, eh. The actual gasifier hearth&hopper assembled stands up on four short legs. Honkus's copy has NO stand up legs. Wait! Where is the unique below the hearth grate shaker mechanism Honkus direct copy stole from BenP's Book design?? Second system picture. There is the INTERNAL grate shaker handle sticking out the side of the lower hearth section. But WHAT? What is that long skinny pointed ended thing-a-ma-bob? A cyclone separator dude-child. Ben's Book system and Honkus's copy systems do not use cyclones! And all of my last info put up links are to show that out a hundred different ways to skin the woodgas cat . . . there are only 3-4-5 ways that actually work with site grown and harvested woods. After the hurricane,; the tornado; the ice storm it ain't wood pellets all bagged up dry and safe put onto the ground. It is shattered and mangled trees. A bulk wood gasifiers fuel stocks. Event No-Grid then. Wood into electricity will be the personal need then. Have a system that is engine drivne use proofed. A Flim-flam thank you much for your money system will not cut it. Steve UNRUH (UnnnRooo)
Having been off the power grid since 1994, I became a woodgas user in 2012, and I wood never go back.
I have YOUR videos to thank for this, as they gave me the courage to take the plunge, and 'set fire' to my generator :) .
Awesome! Good work!
That's a great pun.... " I wood never go back!!" ha! ha!!
@@VictoryGasworks is there a reputable company that builds systems? We live remote in Alaska. I do not have the means to weld. I would love to be able to run a 9kw generator this way as it is very hard to get gasoline up here.
@@VictoryGasworks how hot does the lid get?
Ben, I bought your book years ago. I am a decent welder, mechanic, engine builder, fabricator, and can fix just about anything that breaks on our farm. But, I also have a full time job. I collected all the materials for the gassifier to run a 25Kw Kohler generator that came off an oil rig. An old inline 6 Hercules engine repurposed by Kohler. It will run on diesel or propane. I have never had the time to use your plans or build the parts required to make your gassifier. In the end, I bought a 25Kw generac automaric standby generator dug the trenches and ran all the electrical for the auto transfer switch, upgraded our incoming 100 amp service to 200 amp service, and plumbed it into our existing natural gas line to run our property in case of emergencies. All this is connected via the internet and notifies me on my phone automatically when the genset is running either because it is doing maintenance exercising or due to a power failure. In this time of owning your book I also built from the ground up, a 35Kw off grid solar system. Building all that was easier than following the plans in your book while working 50 hours a week plus running a farm. Our home and farm have been offgrid for the last 5 years.
Your plans for the gassifier are just to time consuming for anyone but fanatics that have nothing else to do in their life. I'm also a successful investor. Your juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
I've read your comments telling people if they can't build your gassifier they can't use it. Bullsh!t! I fortunately have more money than time, and would have gladly paid you ten to fifteen thousand dollars for a pre-built unit 8 or so years ago, just to play around with it to see if it would work for my usage scenario. I spent $20k on batteries alone for the solar system! I guess you didn't need the money.
I say all this to say :
It sucks that someone else is exploiting your idea for profit, but that is your fault. You failed to provide the product people were asking for, so someone else did. That is not illegal. That is capitalism.
You seem like a decent guy, but this video does not help you at all. I understand why you thought you needed to post something, but this video makes you sound whiney and jealous of someone making a profit. You should have consulted an attorney instead and let them advise you and handle it.
Отличный комментарий,благодарю. У нас в Украине есть тоже такой мечтатель,у его есть свой канал,он ищет инвестора уже 11 лет,хочет 1 миллион долларов за чертежи,и вы знаете,никто ничего не даёт. Он устал в гаражах делать эти установки,мечтает о производителе у которого будет сварочный робот,и будут выпускать 90 установок в день.
i pioneered a gasifier design.. on the shoulders of Imbert 15 + years ago. there were people who came visited my farm on which i constructed the system, i took time with these men...and given that i have had no followup from them i figure they came to steal my ideas and cut their development time. i also knew nothing about commercial thievery. (now i are smarter ) i even offered a set of my plans to you Ben...you may remember. you are a class act...thankyou for your service. Dale Costich
That's dirty pool on their part. I hate it when people take advantage of others or misrepresent themselves to any accord. Your rewards are before you Sir.
I see that Steve change your design and made it easier to clean and break down and move. I like both you guys but I had to look at his newer videos and It is different, so get along guys. We all are thankful of your work Ben, you have laid the ground work and paved the way for a lot of us.
It’s amazing to watch a couple guys go at eachother like this. Making this public isn’t good for either of them.
This sucks that you’re having to deal with this! I’ve been tracking with wood gas for years, I purchased your book some time ago and plan to build one when I move back home! Thank you for all your efforts! I hope the best for you!!
Seal failure? Gas Leak? Ben must have forgotten how a gasifier works. The negative pressure system causes air to be pulled in and gas pulled through the system. ANY leak anywhere in the system would not result in gas leaking out, but in air leaking in. He knows this and is just trying to scare you. Those high temperature seals are rated for industrial use that have much higher safety requirements
Your lack of hundreds of hours and hundreds of cycles woodgasing shows well in this statement. When the engine is stopped. The sucking gasifier negative pressure stops too. The still hot gasifier hearth keeps producing gases until fully heat bled off. These still producing gasses will then positive pressurize the whole system. Spewing burping out where ever they can. Carbon monoxide gas.
Then that other "improvement" . . . the space gaping direction changing black runner elbow coming out of the filter can. Hard engine pulled this will gases flow heat. Soften. Can you video prove this will not collapse sucked flat? Yes? No? Maybe? S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Wile I can appreciate that you are Ben's friend and will not accept anything I say in my defense, I have been building this design now for about 6 years and have likely built more of them than anyone else including Ben. I think I have a pretty detailed knowledge of this design and operation, so let's just agree to disagree.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Again, we will have to agree to disagree. If heat is a concern for the elbow coming off the filter to the gas exit, the user can always just upgrade this elbow to a higher temperature connector or even use a straight connector. When the engine stops, any gas pressure in the system is vented through the lid.
@@steveoffgrid485 Again you lack of substantial usages shows. The spring pressure on a good hopper lid design is to allow for pressure relief of an-in-hopper event. Many pounds of positive pressure. Should NOt allows any significant leakage on just gasifier inches od water column pressure when the system self pressurizes. A failure open to atmosphere will allow for easy outgassing. And once a gasifer hearth does heats-bleed off the internal pressure then goes negative again from the hot internal gasses contracting. Any easy to the outside leakage then suck in atmospheric oxygen re-stoking the remaining char bed and back to becoming a carbon monoxide producer.
And these all hard learned are why this DIY book system was intended to be an all weld up system. That is safety for beginning operator users. You want to turn them into Guinea pigs, beta testing your changes. Shame on you. S.U.
You don't have the experience and testing. It shows. The seal will leak, air will enter and mix with gas causing a massive release of heat, further destroying the seal and then the engine will shut down from a poor mixture and the machine will smoulder and release gases into the user environment. Or the blower burns up and the same result happens.
Dang that is just heart breaking. You all reading this; those of us that have developed our technology, this did not come easy. We have spent gob's of money, poured our heart and soul into this and we have had many sacrifices in our journeys. My company has gone through over a million dollars in its 10 years of development. Every penny of it was self funded by me or directly from the company. We are not getting wealthy from our companies. Our intent is to bring an old technology to a modern level that not only will fuel an engine, but will do so in a practical and viable way that is easy to use at higher level of quality. That is something I think we all share in common and strive for.
You can not achieve any of it unless you have personally put forth the development efforts and have had the opportunity to learn by failure. Until you have you will never know what works and what does not. If you think building a high quality functional machine is easy think again this is not as easy as some UA-camrs make it out to be, nor will it come cheap. Build a gasifier out of junk you end up with a piece of junk!! Making changes to Bens design is a recipe for disaster as now this guy is more than likely going to design those things that "dont work" and has not encountered yet, back into it. KInda puts the whole reverse engineering into new perspective; taking good design that works backwards. I am very proud to say that Ben, myself APL and others in the wood gas community are doing things on level that is way beyond anything that has ever been done before in the past. We have the tools and technology today to make this tech viable were in the past these new technologies simply did not exist. We are the true innovators here and there are only a handful of us globally. Do not support this copy cat rip off.
If you are interested in building a DIY kit or purchasing a unit pre manufactured from any body. First you must demand that builder show you an honest video of it working. Not no 5 minute video either any gasifier can run for five minutes and generally those that show those short videos;; this is more than likely as long as they can get it to run for before the machine crashes and stalls the engine out. What you want to see is a video of at the very least 15 minutes of stable engine running plus loading it down and note video edits. If the video is edited during anytime of the machine start up and then engine running there were problems I promise you. Also note the builders generator in the video. If you dont see them using that same generator over and over again. Then that probably means that generator is toast from excessive tar production.
Ben I really hope this is resolved asap. Steve needs to put forth the efforts and start his own development, put his own money into it and come up with something that works on his own. Until that happens he will never be a builder; just a wanna be.
Exactly! Thanks for staying true as a developer Matt. I know you get it.
Agree with you. I have seen you grow as a company. We meet at Argos Woodgas show in 2016. You have been totally committed to the art of woodgas and respect you input. Ben has also someone many of us respect and follow his work. People who invest time and energy deserve the be rewarded for that effort. Ben don't be put of by doing good. It will come back to you. Thanks
Thanks for your efforts. These corners are not to be cut. I have been following your hard work for years and bought your book. I understand your feelings. Be Well and Good Journey. Richie
I saw his review on top of your book at Amazon and thought that seemed suspicious. I'm sorry to see this kind of thing happening, but a friend and I just got your book and plan to follow the instructions to the tee. Thanks again for putting out that information.
I've been interested for about a year and gathering info and materials. Recently became aware of you and your work. I will be purchasing your book! This video is eye opening I want to travel down this path as safely as possible. New subscriber! Thank you again.
Holy cow, thanks for making this video Ben.
I bought your book. I intend to build the gasifier, but I think I will get help from an experienced welder. Safety first of all.
I've got the bible construction and can't find the height measurement for inner tank does anyone know
Hi Mark Meyers, which inner tank? The lowest inner that the air nozzles screw into? The mid-line inner that forms the inner wall of the pyrolysis accelerator section/ Or the top inner that form the inner wall of the hopper monorator (feedstock drying) section?
Refer to line illustration on page 51 of the combined third addition book to see these named.
No jacketing dimension is hard-fast set, "must-be". There is dimensional flexible here to allow for different era's of propane tanks. Just so long as all of the welds are gastight as verified by stepped water testing. And each section is included for it's own functioning.
Regards
Steve UNRUH
The30 gallon first tank to go inside tank with 7.6cm hole and square hole
@@markmeyers1291 Hmm. You have the metric book? Then my verson 3 book in inches page numbers may not corospond. In the version 3 book pages 64, 65 and 67 shows that you cut the inner tank on the top and bottom rounds to leave a 10 1/2 inch, call it 26,7 cm openings. On my page 64 it says the inner tank should be ~12 inches in outside diameter. The picture shows the uncut inner tank to be ~12 1/4 inches top to bottom, ~31 cm.
The importance is to retain enough of the upper and lower curve for later.
Too big of an inner diameter tank will crowd squeeze your insulation space you are setting up for. Read ahead a lot for purposes.
Too tall of an internal tank will move everything up internally.
Be flexible to adapt over to what you can get while retaining the distinct area's needs-to-function. That; and absolutely gas tight weld where called for are the keys.
S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 which book?
Not a gasser? I have been supporting and recommending Ben and his books for more than 6 years. Ben has endorsed all of my work until greed got the better of him.
Confess up. It was you on the cusp of selling Manufacturing Licensing rights overseas, that has lit off this fire. You lit off BenP.
You took a dedicated for Do-It-Yourself system, commercialized it. And were now wanting to make the big buck off of this design. S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 Sorry to burst your bubble on this but this is simply not true. This is a retirement business created to help educate, train and provide parts and services to customers to ensure they can obtain a safe, fully functional wood gasifier, nothing more. I am not, have never claimed to be a manufacturer or have any desire to grow the business beyond what it is today. Yes, I receive inquiries from all over about potential opportunities as does Ben, but these are just inquiries. I have never offered to license Ben's design to anyone and from the example you mentioned, I contacted Ben directly to see if he was interested in some type of collaboration, which never panned out.
@@steveoffgrid485 You aren't a wood gasser. You are a business opportunity guy. You don't integrate a range of engines, you don't test wood species, you haven't run a vehicle. I pulled my support because it's obvious you don't use the tech and I told you in January to clean up your act. In February I told you to do your own thing and take on your own liability. You chose to build a commercial assembly shop and plow forward, now you are trying to pretend that you are a victim. This is pathetic. Who is your father? What nonsense did he teach you? Again, if you are such an expert, why don't you build your own design... coward?
@@VictoryGasworks Mr Peterson you are a hypocrite. You complain about copyright infringement and yet your video above you have used video clips that you do not own. That IS copyright infringement which you have shown you do not understand. Remove your stolen clips and do the HONORABLE thing...Who raised you man!
@@rjh3678 Your husband is impersonating my work in a half-assed dangerous way. I have a duty to warn the unsuspecting public. These images are fair use. Your husband stole images from my site and used them for 5+ years. Who are you to complain?
What's happening with the jeep project??
Recently subbed due to a recommendation someone has ripped off your book also. I always support and give full credit to the source so seeing as you are the source of the r&d and hard work put in to these clean looking gassifiers nice job. I hate leaches especially if they take credit for your work and try drag your name through dirt they create. Hope to get building my gassifier soon want to experiment with some heat exchange to immersion tank system for hot water and using a cooling stack to header tank running cooling radiators with 12volt fans. Do you think its possible to run full water jacket on primary output from reactor or just coil around output?
Was watching a book review of his, he said you'd been shut down for over 10 years. Come to the channel and find this, glad I searched up.
I have been watching the Development of Off Grid 48. & when Gridlessness Perches one To build for them-self to ues I followed intently. when it was first fired up I must say Along with my knowledge of the WW2 model of wood gas generator. it failed at first to produce gas That is what I call grade one gas. But product plenty of grad two gas Which is often damp in nature. I found That,1962 was a frigid & wet year. & my WW"2 gas generator my father used & i operated. product an overabundance of damp smock. just like the Off Grid 48 build did. I solve my problem by attaching a charcoal colon to the Generator & sending all damp smocks into the colom. before lilting the Flair. the inlet had a valve so it could be shut off. before lilting the flair. to ensure a good vacuum. the charcoal tube would Bern of the oxygen in the. damp smock & we would have class one gas for running Combust-chon engines. I suggest This can be achieved with the Off-Grid 48 Modal today. Les England
Thank you for making this video I'm in the beginning stages of learning gasification I just started fabricating my own gasifier from your book I perched on Amazon. Thank you for writing this book I am excited about wood gas.
Thank you for letting people know please keep up your work
Wow, I hate people like that. You're the one that wrote the book so you're the only one I'm listening to while my friends and I build our own gasifiers.
I happen to have an older copy of your book, Ben. You clearly state in the book description you can start your own business. I noticed you recently updated the books description and removed that phrase, and added "For educational use only." Doesn't seem very honorable to alter evidence that may refute the argument you're making here, wouldn't you agree? Maybe I should make a video trashing your name to "bring you to honor."
Anyone with an ounce of sense can see this is a petty shakedown on Steve because he was able to make a successful business out of something you couldn't.
and he is still bashing on Mr. Honkus lmao this guy is has no life..
I wouldn't exactly call it petty...he sent me 3 emails over the course of 4 days demanding a long ridiculous list of demands and payment of thousands of dollars or he would publish this video. By definition that is blackmail. As Steve stated earlier this is all about money
@@rjh3678 And which Steve said this Ms Honkus?
Me? SteveU.
SteveH.? (Honkus)
SteveNZ? (CNCmachiningisfun)
Specifics matter.
BenP is forced to due this so later when a supplied system user "Bio-Masses" with tire chunks, urban plastic waste and poisons themself and their family sues every single pocket their lawyers can find.
When that off-grid system user stuffs a supplied system down in their basement and carbon monoxide kills their whole family; cats and dogs included. CO poisoning deaths happens during every single cold season. Every single Grid-Down event with gasoline electrical generators. A woodgasifier produces multiples times as much carbon monoxide as a gasoline electric generator.
So this whole presentation; comments and all; becomes his legal distancing proof that you have failed to supply him.
DYI building the builder assumes the majority of the risks If warned of those risks. Complete system supplier liability mostly falls back onto you. the system supplier. Ask your lawyers about this.
Steve Unruh
@@Wood-For-Power1 oh so this is all about BenP attempting to relieve himself of any liability/ So even though he followed Steve for years, I find it very hard to believe that he JUST noticed these so called "problems". If he was a standup guy, he would have discussed this but he started the conversation with threats to my property and retirement, a long list of demands that our lawyer says he is not entitled and a demand for thousands of dollars The other point I would like to make is that all of Ben's accusations are based on his impression, there is no first-hand knowledge of any of the claims that he makes so let's just put him in the same category as Cassidy Hutchinson.
@@Wood-For-Power1 I have to wonder where benp is getting his legal advice from...hopefully not the $29 per month legal shield lawyer. He can add statements to his current book and publication but that will not release him from any prior liability
I dont know either of these guys but the guy making this video sounds like an angry karen.
I bought plans for the Waste Bot and have some questions. Has there been any full load testing or anything available for the people who bought these plans?
I believe the Westabout cannot reliably be cleaned or taken apart for maintenance. It's a super cool idea but just that; an idea.
Since spending my money I have seen nothing about this. Everything on the internet is taken down. I never received an e-mail stating this thing was a failure.
The wastbot cold of burned your house down...
Man, sucks when somebody steals your work. In this market, why don't you find a qualified manufacturer for your designs and sell a finished product? Seems like a pretty incredible opportunity to me, with the benefit of helping a lot of people beat high oil prices. I know I personally would love to build one of your gasifiers, but I would much rather just buy one from you. I just don't have the time to build one myself.
People that can't build, can't integrate the machine to an engine and it just sits in their garage. A gasifier is for one type of person only- A RESOURCEFUL PERSON
Thanks for all your hard work and thanks for the heads up on this guy. I have plans to buy your book and use it on my small home Homestead.
Thank You Ben. I haven't yet done any builds and this information is critical to the safety and well being of those that are following the Bible that you have set forth.
Again, thank you Sir.
Rich
WOWWW!!!!! I just stumbled on this vid after watching some of his videos, I'll be buying your book!
As far as I can tell, its not really a knockoff. No more than a septic tank would be a knockoff. Improve the designs. I doubt if its more than a hobby business because we're mostly tightwads.
I can't use any of the popular gasifier designs because I'm using wood chips.
I just bought a book, "Wood Gasifier Builders Bible" only a month ago on Amazon. Is this your book, or his book?
It's my book.
@@VictoryGasworks Good to know. I'm just a lowly Machinist, and my welder is certified in pipe welding. We want to build a couple of these for personal use, I want to make sure they are right. Sorry about this joker ripping you off.
@@robertwatkins364 CO detectors are vital life savers no matter what.
@@TheKlink Thanks, but this thing will be outside just the same.
@@TheKlinkI watch Scott's, engineer775 videos a lot too. My problem is no scrap yards here will sell me propane tanks, or compressor tanks, because liability issues. I might be forced to build a modified FEMA gasifier, like flash001USA.
Price gouging? I believe Ben sold a gasifier of similar design under Victory Gasworks more than 10 years ago for around $15,000USD. Ben has been retired from the wood gas business for more than 5 years and likely hasn't built a gasifier in years. He has no idea as to current costs of materials or labor to build one of these gasifiers
Yes, true these all stainless steel, all fully truly multiple flanged module systems and did sell for this. Had advanced gas to pumped water heat exchangers. Had advanced settlement/gas sweeping features. On many the mounting skid WAS the labyrinth pathway cooler. Similar? Only in the number of air jets and internal hearth dimensions. And these were made for the I-Wanna'-Buy-Complete fellows.
The book system was for Do-It-Yourself out of common propane and air tanks for the reast of us. You Sir, have indeed taken this and commercialized it for that other $$$$$ market.
Grow a pair. Develop your own design for yourself, and your buyers. You are ripping off this design and putting it to other purposes.
Stop using his unique grate activation system
Stop using his unique produced gas heating input pyrolysis accelerator section.
Stop using his inner insulation retainer sleeve.
Hell. Stop using his lid latch down design. S.U.
@@Wood-For-Power1 I am an owner of the book and have every right to build and sell this gasifier if I choose as does any other owner of the book(s). I have always credited Ben for his design but have also acknowledged the shortcomings of his design and instructions. My goal has always been to help owners of his book obtain a safe and fully functional machine through education, workshops, parts and support services, none of which Ben provides. I have never claimed this to be of my own design but have added some significant improvements to make it safer, easier to build and better functionality.
@@steveoffgrid485 Yes true that the 1st addition book allowed for build one - sell one to pay for yours. Maybe build two. One for you. Another for a friend or family. NOT serial manufacturing. Which you are doing. Why the new power sheet metal roller. And building. S.U.
@@steveoffgrid485 Where does your right to build commercially come from? The book clearly says for educational purposes only. It also says "you agree to hold harmless and indemnify Ben Peterson, my company etc, which you clearly haven't done. You are making a flawed knock-off that looks almost exactly like the book, has no name plate or warning labels and has a point of failure you engineered in. I buy steel all the time. If a sheet of steel is now $250 instead of $125, that is only $125 more and doesn't constitute a reason to charge an extra $2,500 on the price. You are inexperienced as a manufacturer. Your bird shit welds are the proof!
@@Wood-For-Power1 could you please tell me the page number where this is stated?
Thank you for sharing your work and experience! This video came in just in time!
I discovered a few months ago it was possible to run a gas engine on wood. (We live on solar in the middle of nowhere. Needing gas for the generator isn't being self-sufficient and puts us at the mercy of the system) Since I've done research and bought your book. However, my skill set has much to grow before I feel competent enough to attempt my first build.
As such, what offgrid 48 was offering really appealed to me. But after watching this video, I came to my sense and like everything else in life there are no shortcuts!
Thank you!
What this video is; is the real Ben Peterson standing up for himself. The real Ben Peterson who IS and has been true Offgrid living for years now. My friend BenP is not white-haired golden voice guy, in the bib-overalls in the previous video. Certainly not the white-haired guy in/on the OffGrid48 web site. The Ben Peterson in this video is the real Ben Peterson woodgasifier systems designer and book writer. The guy who I've personally known for 14 years. I've seen his gasifieres made, evolved for those 14 years. Hauled off the boned out NOPES - not good enough, scraped out prototypes. Ha! Ha! I've sweated, labored with Ben, even bled-earned and now have one of his not quite right yet prototypes. Good enough for me. It's evolved "better" was ~20% enlarged, had one added jet and a raised sealing joint to no longer burn out that seal. Only then: did it go into mainline production. The real Ben Peterson has the too rare quality of Integrity. And honor.
All of this accumulated, experienced gained knowledge is why his book published out system for DYI's is an all welded up unit. Safety. Modular building is a whole level UP in skilled required capabilities and costs to build. He knows. He has had the trials and tribulations to know. In his book system he gave away for just the cost of the book distinctly THREE patent worthy woodgasifier performance enhancement features that were his, never been done before. Buy the book and You got to build ONE for yourself. Maybe one other, for a friend or a family member. M-a-y-b-e even three as he allowed for the one sold to pay for your's own materials costs. But NOT serial production. NOT make-a-business-operation; on his design and features. I will be a testifying witness in any court actions on BenP's side. Steve Unruh
Nicely put.
Though I have thousands of hours of woodgas engine runtime under my belt, I fear that I will never know as much as the REAL experts out there.
Accordingly, I wood never try to make a gasifier for sale, unless the buyer was happy to accept all the mistakes that I wood surely incorporate into its design.
Keep up the good work :) .
Have your book and starting to gather the materials. For the hobbyist - I purchased a YES First Impress 5-in-1. Has MIG, TIG, STICK, MMA and Plasma cutter in one machine! So easy to use for the beginner and hobbyist needing to weld. Get some scrap and practice. Oh yeah - both 120V and 240V. Will let you know how my build goes. I have a duel fuel Champion 9000 I am wanting to provide fuel for.
Thanks for the heads up concerning this man. FYI: I bought your books "Wood Gasifier Builder's Bible" from Amazon. Great information...thanks again.
Thanks for the information I got your book a while back and wondered why he was making changes. I thought you two worked together.
Thank you for your hard work you might have saved our lives this winter
I understand as a welder fabricator this is easy for you. The average person does not want to tackle something like this. Not from scratch at least.
Why don't you start producing parts, higher workers and make a factory, so we can buy these wood gasifiers from you.
Even if you just did the difficult parts, and ship them, with some assembly required, even light welding on the other end.
But you have to understand, the average person, sees your wood gasifier plans, like buying one of those kit cars, where you have to do everything for yourself.
People would rather buy one of those kit cars, where they provide every single thing for you, you just have to put it together.
But those kit cars, that come with plans, and tell you, now find a 1987 blah blah blah car and source these parts from that.. no real person ever wants to do that stuff.
You might as well sell a cookbook, that says here are the seeds, now go out and grow the vegetables that you're going to use to cook.. nobody is going to do that. You're never going to have a business, selling books, on how to do this yourself.
You need to actually start making this product either for sale ready to go, or in more manageable kits.
People love this kind of stuff, you would have no shortage of customers, once you could actually buy the product.
But most people's minds, your product is completely theoretical, because they would never be able to build it.
People that can't build, can't integrate the machine to an engine and it just sits in their garage. A gasifier is for one type of person only- A RESOURCEFUL PERSON
@@VictoryGasworks so you're telling me that it is impossible for you to sell a functioning unit and motor on a pallet that you deliver ready to turn on?
That sounds like the biggest excuse I've ever heard. That would be like general motors saying listen buddy, if you can't weld up an entire F-350 then you shouldn't have a truck.
You as the professional build the entire unit so all the end user has to do is load it with fuel and operate it which you can give them a video of how to do.
Have you ever flown on an airplane.. did you build that airplane? Are you a licensed pilot?
Oh so you're saying that you can use complicated technology that others have built for you.
You said that that other guy was selling units ready to go for almost $10,000 and they weren't even as good as yours. Put two and two together since you make a better mouse trap, sell that trap!
Don't sell directions that are too complex for 99% of people to build The mousetrap and therefore mice are running rampant.
You're supposed to solve a problem with an invention, not tell people I have the solution, but you're incapable of using it.
That means that's the designer's fault
@@Bozemanjustin You are such a Tool of the current system, man. I counted over 750 youtube subscriptions on your channel you follow. Geez man! You are just the keybording social voice, for all of us, eh. Now take 1/10 that time and effort and take a community collage welding course and actually do things in metals, eh. Easier. go cut wood. Whole learning cureve to that to be effective and safe. Then actually heat a residence for a whole year on just that wood . DO-Learn realities. No-o-o-o. You exposé a whole sheeple sign-here; click buy-now; this-will-make-you-safe&happy; consumer life style. "Go to the freezer and get the box." " I bought Insurance so now I am safe." No&no. You satisfied the moment. And are just broker and defiantly not safer.
Here's reality of your "instant" gratification I-spent-my-money lifestyle. Buy a new cell phone. Buy a new laptop and then spend hours getting to do want you want no matter your previous experiences. And even they using it for years discovering new capabilities until the hardware wear out. It's software system is no longer recognized, useable.
Operating woodgasifers is a somewhat dangerous, enriching muti-dimensional experiences. Only in REAL power. Real power can slice, dice mangle, and burn you.
I'd never fly with you. Go pester others of your 750 subscriptions. S.U.
@@Bozemanjustin He tried and failed to produce them commercially and now just wants to profit off of someone else's hard work.
I just want a working wood gasifier and theres almost no options out there.
Where can i buy one thatll actually work well enough for a long term grid down? Anybody?
I just tried sending the link to your video to someone who just got a device from that guy but my comment is gone. Don’t know why but it’s gone. Not even up for 5 min. Soooooo, after seeing your video, if you’d like to reach out to him and have better luck than me, the channel is Gridlessness.
By the way, after I watched that guys video I showed it to my husband and he thought it was neat too. Although we have no current use for it, I’d guess a kudos goes to for your engineering and hard work. I hope you have an easier road ahead with your legal matters regarding this situation.
Do you know how one can contact you?
And another Ben'sBook patterned DIY system showing able to gaseous fuel power an electrical generator:
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Don't let any neigh-sayer scare you away for up-off-ass getting it done too. Your only real impediments are your own self-imposed limitations. Wood can make your electrical power.
S.U.
Amen!!!
Any update on the case?
Retired, Veteran
A Big nothing burger. Ben never had a case, he's just slandering his competition
Steve has been producing a lot of videos over the last year, Ben less so.
I bought your book , im scrap yard running for materials pretty much every other day . Trying to get what i need to eliminate some welding and fab work to speed this build up a bit . Im gonna have to get the steel for the heat recycle you have in here. One question i have is how am i gonna make this work on fuel injection. I actually want all wood gas if i can get there. One thing is a certain. I wont be buying new material and i wont be buying from anybody trying to gouge me😂. I dont do that in any facet of my life . Im a big diy guy on most everything. Im an hvac guy by trade . But i grew up always having to handle everything i needed. These days im building a house and coming totally off grid . No contractors here. Ive had to stop buikding to address this fuel issue . So in about to do just that
Fuel injection is tricky, it depends on which year and the computer codes you need to deal with. Better to start with a carbureted engine and learn on that to reduce the variables
Try a throttle body carburetor
File a copyright infringement lawsuit for starts.....
Next instructional installment.
Down below BenP is criticized for offering up his Book systems as an all welded-up system. Saying it needed to have been made modal to be better. All of BenP's Stainless steel gasifier systems; experimental; one-off special order; series-serial production units were modular. User proof videos.
Engineer775's year 2010, 3.2 Offgridder; electrical powering his whole farm:
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Same system a year later having powered many engines as explained by Scott. Unit torn down for inspection. Listen to the words. CC enabled. So, translations are possible:
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This same era many-were-produced Offgridder fully modular model can be found half a world away on SteveNZ's cncmachiningisfun channel. Find his comment below for his channel links. He really shows up close detailing of his Offgridder.
Then a three years later Bens Built all stainless-steel system in the American SE. Also fully dissemble modular but with integral flanges, and quick release latching:
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This later system is semi-automated. Listen to the grate activation. Cooler moved to under the mounting skid. The owner of this one still has it and was answering valid woodgas questions in his comments section even now years later. American SE hurricane country so I figure really needing Grid-Down power for the home AC's.
Modular greatly increases the skill level to construct and greatly drives up the cost to build to remain effective, and safe. Quick cheats on this will fail and leak.
These early all SS unit did not externally run nearly externally hot as a carbon steel unit. SS transfers heat much slower than carbon steel.
Look for these used. I have potentialized the sale of three used market pop-up BenP all SS units in the past year. Great deals. Ha! Ha! I am clutching mine until my hands are cold and dead.
Build a Ben's Book system all carbon steel DO add on the outer insulation wrapping, and the metal wrapper skin. It WILL thermal-chemically function better and be touch hot much safer.
Stev Unruh; who was there 2008-2012.
Who are you talking to? No one is going to read this long winded post about nothing. Try again, SteveU.
@@mathewstephen6277 Well you read it eh.
You'er somebody too.
Steve UNRUH
Ben - I have been subscribed to you for years now and I never received this notification! I had seen several of his videos and I am pissed off for you! Sorry, Brother! We still are trying to get things built from your book here in Northern Nevada!
If you have seen OffGrid48's videos, you should look at Steve's response and get both sides. Ben is acting like a child because they had a falling out, and this is Ben's sad attempt to slander OffGrid48.
He is confusing Patents with Copyright laws.....
Cit costa un astfel de generator Sint interesat
Ben you a true gasafirer I want to be a part of your group you are the man your friends Gerald L from Kentucky ps I both your book I love it
YOU NEED TO REMOVE PERMISDION FOR HIM TO SELL YOUR BOOK....
Unbelievable... Thank you for this video.
I watched his videos not seeing these mistakes. Shame on me.
Same here over in Northern Nevada. Sorry for Ben and the mess it creates!
Hi Ben,
I have both the bible and the metric book and also reached out to Steve for a price for a kit. Thankfully he doesn't ship to Australia. Would you like me to forward you the email or only if i had purchased from him?
Any communication you can forward would be great. Thank you!
I thought you sold your biz and were out of it for years.
Whi bought the rights to your guide and instructions?
How could you think this?? On the VictoryGasworks channel linked above there has been 9-11 videos been put up by BenP in the last 7 years. Averaged two new a year. His originally published book in 2014 , he has revised and expanded it out three times: 2017; 2020; 2022.
That is all ownership activity, man.
Steve Unruh
@@Wood-For-Power1 what are Ben's copyright and patent numbers? Oh right, he doesn't have any, because he doesn't have any ownership over this design
@@mathewstephen6277 ua-cam.com/video/AX4MKIDvXLM/v-deo.html
Adult concepts here iceman. In your worldview anything not under lock and key; behind barrier fences is fair game, eh? Great world you; Honkus; and the Portuguese speaking kid are creating, man. Rape. Pillage. And piss in the water after drinking to claim and foul.
Well not quite yet Bub. Not quite yet.
Grow up.
Steve Unruh
The meaning of indemnify the author/publisher seems to have been "twisted" to mean that the builder has to have some kind of insurance in place .....what kind of BS is that?
Correct the spelling mistakes in the book too.....fecking annoying :D
I don't see who benefits from this back and forth. It's hard to tell who what instigated this riff, but it isn't helping either of you.
Honkus is posing a DANGER to gasification by cutting corners like this. His design flaws could result in carbon monoxide poisoning. This will turn ugly for him. Lawyers and State and Federal agencies are involved. It's that serious. If you have given him money, please contact us woodgas@gasifierplans.com.
caveat emptor.
Running the engine produces carbonmonoxide...you use them outside in a well ventilated area away from people...you are just trying to scare people
@@rjh3678 You are manufacturing machines that have a known flaw. You have not labeled these machines over the last 6 years to even tell people to use them in a well ventilated area. You are in deep trouble at a federal level. Steve can cry bully all he wants. He came into my world, I didn't barge into his.
@@VictoryGasworks Do they have a KNOWN flaw? Have you personally tested them, Have there been any failures? Again, you are just making stuff up.
@@rjh3678 I have tested many different gaskets and design variations over the years and I know for a fact that those seals will fail. Period. I'm willing to sign an affadavit on it. If you are so confident then have 3rd party testing done. Keep running your mouth Rochelle. Selling a machine without a manufacturer name plate and safety labeling is a violation of the federal Consumer Product Safety Act. The Washington Attorney General and the CPSA are going to get involved soon. This will likely go to US District Court. The Federal government doesn't move fast, but when they do, they come down hard. You are knowingly putting out a machine that will leak flammable fuels and can hurt people. All for a few bucks? You are the greedy ones. And lazy. 6 years and Steve hasn't done the work of being a competent user/integrator + your husband's welds still look like bird shit. That's why he ended up with a 600 lb paper weight. Kiss your retirement goodbye sweetheart!
thank you i am in canada and i dont like fake thank you for this video
This is so disappointing. You can't do anything but hurt yourself like this.
Your next skills building up investment into yourself: gasifier gastight welding. Here is a video of a WA State guy doing his 2nd vehicle W.K. system building up: ua-cam.com/video/NqVMJrzLtNc/v-deo.html He shows grinding to pre-clean before welding. Cutting with both an ox-acetylene torch, and a plasma torch. Shows him two hands steady MIG welding. Free hand MIG tack welding. At 2:49 he shows water testing his welds. At 4:25 he talks about smoke testing some of his welds. M.N. does not consider himself a professional welder. He is in his works truck and equipment maintenance shop. He currently commutes 100+ miles a day on his first W.K. woodgas system. Five guys have done these in WA state now. 3-5X as complex and needed inches of weld lines as on a Ben's Book system. These two; and only one other world-wide have proven able to use seasonal wet picked up woods. And IF OPERATED best practices NOT tar up engines. This last can ONLY be learned by hours and hours of year around engines running. We experienced all say the gasifier system is only 25%. The operator is the other 75%
Steve Unruh
The next MIG welding lessons from M.L. . . . barrels and tube metals THIN welding and fitting up: ua-cam.com/video/TaCK97PaOSQ/v-deo.html
Again, he is building a Vehicle W.K. system woodgasifier. 3-5X the welding lines of a Ben'sBOOK gift system. Which is designed that it can be made up with a stick welder. All of these info posts I am putting up is good nutritious cheeses to go with the "Bens Book system is too H-a-a-a-rd!" wine'ings. S.U.
Dang that is a shame. People suck and take advantage of others since the beginning of time.
Was looking at his kit
wow, thanks for the video.
Guys each and every one of you has the means to verify BenP's warning that those out of hearth red tubes connectors failing. It is in your driveways and garages. Your vehicles, pickup trucks and motorcycles. I've been wrenching on all of these since 14 y.o. back in 1967. Every single V-6 and V-8 exhausts have burnt me. Many stresses cracked and putt-putt leaked too. IC engine exhaust loaded and worked runs up the exhaust metals to ~450F and higher running out to at least 40 inches to one meter.
A woodgasifier internally finishes out at 600F internally. Run that out thru 40 inches to one meter and all guys consistently measure that as 450F metal surface temperatures.
Go look, touch, see. All metal in some form. No plastics or silicone. Crack out your surface temperature probes and see. Use your Infared no-contact tools and see.
Modular disconnectors there need to use any of the engine exhaust form systems. Three eared flanges with ceramic gaskets. Ball and socket spring bolt drawn tight. The newer V-band type. ALL readily available as pipe/tubing weld on joints.
Use your own eyes, and see this.
Steve UNRUH
Hi temp silicone is rated for 500+ degrees Steve. It's used in all sorts of engines, including turbine engines on airplanes.
Oppsie! I made a mistake above. A woodgasifier internally in the thermal-chemical Reduction section finished out at 600 degrees CENTIGRATE. That'd be 1112 degrees Fahrenheit. The real engine working WOODGASSERS routinely measure their gasifiers output mentals temperatures as a min 450 degrees Fahrenheit. A woodgsifier internal temperatures are much higher than an IC engines internal temperatures.
A 500 degree rated material cannot withstand this as a continuous operating temperature.
Again fellows look at all of your engine exhausts systems and you will see no rubbers, plastics or silicone pieces. Far down stream in stand-off hangers only.
And the term "woodgasser" has been in modern era 21st century common usage for 20+ years. It is an action word. It is a term of respect for those who are actually wood consuming to work power use their IC engines.
Designers, design. Doesn't make them Users/Doers.
Salesmen, sell. Doesn't make them Users/DOers either.
Ha! Ha! And of course Critics do none of any of this! No pains. No gains. "Those who cannot DO, teach."
Be a DOer/User of woodgas to power your Life. Then you too can be considered a woodgasser.
Hard core woodgasser will be measuring you up by the size of your fuel wood pile. Expect this. All working woodgasifers are fuel-hogs.
You can't sweat the woodfuels and you are not taken seriously. Because you ain't ever going anywhere on your own power.
Steve UNRUH
Pay it forward? Ben talks a good game about looking out for the community and paying it forward but he has failed on all fronts. He is not interested in the community has not provided support for his books, builder workshop videos or offered ANY improvements to his design which is more than 10 years old.
The book has been revised twice now and is in it's 3rd edition. Useable engine s sizes went DOWN to 500cc versus the original 1000C due to ongoing improvements. Now this last few months a metric, full SI measurements version too added. Next to come the 1st non-English language version. How can this be an untouched design or presentation? Quit lying man. Quit exaggerating. S.U.
You are so jealous. I have done nothing but help you and this is the best you have? The book isn't a business in a box, it's a DIY build for low resource situations. Hence the propane tanks and muffler tubes. If you are such an expert, then why don't you build your own design and stop spamming my comments?
You didn't make a mistake. He took advantage of you.
No kidding right!
Wellie, well, well. I found that SteveNZ's works do not directly link up from his comment here. So here's the easy-see (hard not to accent pick up for me from SteveNZ's cheeky presentations):
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He has two more Ben's Built OffGriider systems video's. Trolley building. Then IC engine adding. In one of these he shows his current in-use named Gas-O-Matic 9000. A long use evolved, use-improved from some old should have never been let out 1st gen VGW carbon steel Woodie model. Shows 2000 hours use on the time clock of his system. A many times now modified and needed rebuild from useages corrosions system. Yeah. Carbon steel: go thicker metals and deal with the weight for use-life with corrosive woodgas, alright. SteveNZ it is failures and climb-back in the saddles now at 2000+ loaded electricity making woodgasing that does make you an EXPERT. Quite the journey from those first FEMA days 9? years ago, eh.
Off-Grid need-to-be's fellows . . . SteveNZ is the real deal. DYI powering he says since 1994. Learn from the best. Using, depending-on, is the real use-proving. All else is words-gassing.
Best Regards
SteveU.
So you're saying I shouldn't rely on Ben's book if I want a successful build? I should check out SteveNZ's content instead?
And just in case anyone is still confused who designed this system and hard operation ran proof tested it . . . here is a now 7 1/2 year old system maintenance video by the real BenP
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Note the safety warning labeling on the true original.
Steve Unruh
Thanks Steve. For those of you who are newer to gasification. Steve U was instrumental in the earliest Victory Gasworks shop and helped me with hours and hours of wood gas testing. We tested various engines, but also lots of different feedstocks as well like stick wood and corn. Wood gassing is fun for real wood gassers. We enjoy it. Its not a chore to chunk wood when you have the power of a billion dollars worth of refining technology next to your tool shed.
I have purchased from Steve. Sent you and email (address on your website) with some information.
Thanks Rob! I got your email. Thankfully you were smart enough to weld yours. Good job!
I just looked him up, he's still advertising.
Thanks for the heads up.
Is he Russian?
Looks like Tesla and Edison all over again.?!... Tsk, tsk, tsk... :o
😭Cry baby. The world owes you?
Grow up!
WoW, what a lowlife fella, sorry you are going through this. The honorable thing he could have worked with you their is enough interest in this technology this fella went wrong way being a sneaky pretender, pretending being a friend, this is the worse kind of person. Stand back don't let this destroy your vision, motivation for future development it's only a bump in the road.
Expand horizons get motivated building kits for public an easy assembled kit for the average weekend mechanic. Sell the main parts that are not easy for average folk to complete, Assembly with regular tools there are many opportunities out there with your years of knowledge in this field. Stay Well and strong. Oh by the way, there are many folks out there that would invest in this technology either in small amounts either hands on with funds as well as just funding,. Offer kits in different stages of completio. JUST SAYING
So Ben...start making shit again...I'd buy a real parts kit. I was going to consider his stuff till I saw this video. Cmon man...make wood gas great again.
He will get a job in the South Africa goverment.
Thank you for this video i am deep in my research of this subject and found a video posted just 3 weeks ago by a vlogger family i follow showing what i belive is them buying from this man a gassafire system kit to build at home. I will post the link to the video they posted and its right at the beginning of their video. Thank you for posting about the dangers of this issue. I see you have not posted in a while so i hope your still active and see this message.
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U DIDNT INVENT THIS
U SOUND REALLY DESPRITE
QUIT CRYING
Another in the last 10 years commercially built unit that pops up 2nd-3rd owner for sale:
forum.driveonwood.com/t/vulcan-gasifier-fs/6100
Link IS SAFE to click away too. You'll learn something.
Steve UNRUH
That unit kinda looks like OffGrid48's design. Did he steal Steve's design!?
@@mathewstephen6277 Really dude you are just so woodgas knowledgeable inept. O.K. child we will begin. Three round chamber cans versus two. Pretty obvious, eh. The actual gasifier hearth&hopper assembled stands up on four short legs. Honkus's copy has NO stand up legs. Wait! Where is the unique below the hearth grate shaker mechanism Honkus direct copy stole from BenP's Book design?? Second system picture. There is the INTERNAL grate shaker handle sticking out the side of the lower hearth section. But WHAT? What is that long skinny pointed ended thing-a-ma-bob? A cyclone separator dude-child. Ben's Book system and Honkus's copy systems do not use cyclones!
And all of my last info put up links are to show that out a hundred different ways to skin the woodgas cat . . . there are only 3-4-5 ways that actually work with site grown and harvested woods. After the hurricane,; the tornado; the ice storm it ain't wood pellets all bagged up dry and safe put onto the ground. It is shattered and mangled trees. A bulk wood gasifiers fuel stocks. Event No-Grid then. Wood into electricity will be the personal need then. Have a system that is engine drivne use proofed. A Flim-flam thank you much for your money system will not cut it.
Steve UNRUH (UnnnRooo)
@@mathewstephen6277 Its a Vulcan Gasifier that unit was out long before Steve knew what a gasifier was.