How mirrors could power the planet... and prevent wars | Hard Reset by Freethink
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Concentrated solar power might just revolutionize the energy sector as we know it.
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0:00 Introduction
1:09 The Technology
5:08 The Difference vs. Traditional Solar
7:03 The Potential Impact
Concentrated solar power is produced using a large amount of mirrors which are angled to reflect the sunlight onto a large solar receiver. Aside from being clean energy, one of the most promising advantages of CSP is that it can generate transportable energy for use far beyond where it was harvested.
The idea of concentrated solar power isn’t new - the first commercial plant was developed in the 1960s. But a company called Heliogen has found a way to make the process of reflecting and storing sunlight much more accurate and efficient. And soon, it might be more cost-effective than fossil fuels.
If adopted globally, this could lead to a hard reset in the manufacturing industry, not to mention prevent wars over oil and mitigate climate change.
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Do you think this will change the world?
I didn't like the fact that you neglected the cost to deploy these facilities and how much energy they produce compared to other sources.
@@nedrapaul4135 another article mentions first practical deployment, "
The baseline system will provide industrial-grade heat that will be capable of replacing fossil fuels in processes including cement, steel, and petrochemicals production, the company explained" . It is the same initial target as other hydrogen producers/burners infrastructure.
As someone said: If you want to make a battery dirt cheap, make it out of dirt.
Yes! It's brilliant.
Ask all the dead guys that had this and better ideas over the last hundred years how they fared against the giant energy corps. When those corps secure the ability to use it, and patent it, and safeguard the materials for utilizing it, and have multi profited on wars and resources and so fourth.. yeah.. Sure. For anyone that is left to enjoy it.
Damn I still remember his TED talk. Did NOT think this was going to actually work. lol
But I'm glad he and his team has made so much progress.
What progress? Solar furnaces from the 1960s easily do 3,500 celsius. He barely breaks above 1,000 celsius and flat out lies how 500-600 degrees was the maximum before him.
And look it is becoming public company now!!!
@@alterego157 Are you always really that negative?
@@Kokorocodon No, not really. A bad day and a lot of time spent around negative people. There are better ways to conduct ourselves. Stay true to yourself. Take care.
@@alterego157 Actually, only the biggest solar furnace can do 3,500 °C, the smaller ones can produce 700. Are you sure it is easy to create only the big ones? As I understood, previously nobody used AI to correct the mirror's angle. It is like to compare the carts and cars. They both use the wheels but how different they are.
"If you want your battery to be dirt cheap, you have to make it out of dirt" lol they really take this too serious
Actually not a bad idea...one that is already in production. Research "'Ambri' liquid metal battery."
Never forget the promise of our Beloved Leader, Osama bin Barak. _"If you like your Battery, then you can keep your Battery!"_
*Let 10,000 Points of Solyndra bloom!!*
Wtf
You do not understand how much sand, lime, clay, rocks and more are used in construction and are valued. America has Corning. Check that companies UA-cam page. You're probably using their products right now.
I don’t think any level of ambition is too much when it comes to preserving our already-plundered planet.
"How do they find out where the sun is?... Interns" 😂👌
just look up
The place with the hottest temperature decides where the sun is greatly focused that's how they find where the sun is
can confirm, they use interns
"One can replace ANY technology with a finite number of students"
It's sarcasm. He says ai right after
Nobody:
Birds: Oh hey, that place looks shiny! Let me go check it out....(becomes KFC)
😂😂
Pick, pick, pick! Are dead birds going to ruin the climate, no. You can find fault in anything if you pick at it.
More like grilled chicken
@@Derps189 what about tik tok stars who try to make video in the middle of those panels without knowing what are those
Realistically speaking...all the other energy forms kill more fauna than these mirrors ever could.
Still a nice joke :]
We’re using light for energy and rocks for energy storage.
Right back to the stone age we go lol
Well, rocks and stones now have another use. What's great about this heliostat is that it uses simple technology to do a big job.
The Stone Age was under-rated.
The "genius" didnt explain how exactly the hot rocks will generate efficient energy!
@@Starship737 1000 degrees centigrade. Use your imagination.
@@Starship737 hot rock make steam. Steam moves a turbine. Turbine goes spiny .
This was really well made!! Great job to the editor and also the VFX artist(s) who made the graphics! The displacement texture of the world map animating through the white plane was sick!
Thanks so much! Will let the Editor/VFX artist know, I'm sure it'll make their day :).
@@freethink 8:30 poor guy waited a whole hour to get gasoline
Yeah. But such a shallow, Ted talk like argument...
@Jin Lee there is no global warming but at the same time cheap clean energy is always a good thing.
@Jin Lee bet you dont believe in covid either you antivaxer
This is a CSP (Concentrated Solar Power) plant. And these days some of CSP plants were closed due to cost-efficiency issues compared to Photovoltaic Power plants.
I feel like the parts about “preventing” war was just a gross oversimplification of it and why its fought so more people would support it
Did you expect a whole documentary on it on a video about solar energy? Go take a walk.
You're being too polite. Dumbmass apparently didn't hear about thousands of years of wars all over the globe before the fossil fuels.
@@larrysergueisuckdick9221 Elementary logic would suffice, no documentary needed.
@@alterego157 nowhere did it say that all wars are fought for oil. Those that are could be stopped that's the point.
The world shall know pain [ pain akatsuki theme plays in background*]
Man I'm getting obsessed with sustainable energy systems. Post more videos in this topic.
This is a water drain in water deprived areas, its a horrible system for realistic useage.
@@irthatkid, only because they want to convert the electricity created into hydrogen. If they skip that last step, and just export the electricity, then there is no water usage and it makes for a very desirable system. Even without the water shortage concerns the conversion to hydrogen wastes energy, is MORE difficult/inefficient to transport than electricity, and creates more issues than it solves IMHO. All of that extra effort to inefficiently convert the energy to something that has little to no value in existing infrastructure.
Electricity can be used universally and when it comes from clean sources it offsets fossil fuel use elsewhere, so just start with that. Hydrogen is not a very good "green fuel" anyway, but if needed it should be produced in locations where fresh water is more plentiful.
@@CL-gq3no Agree. They can just make an international thousand mile high voltage electric line like what singapore is about to do with Australia. Way more efficient than conversion to hydrogen storage.
We certainly will! In the meantime, we have a playlist on next-gen sustainable technologies that includes some if you like. ua-cam.com/video/q4CPBHj0UQk/v-deo.html
@Sen Se A good opportunity to increase your views! nice one!
Mirrors should be mounted on posts tall enough for people to walk beneath to use that area as partially shaded, productive agricultural land and using water with no chemicals to clean the panels then drips off to be agricultural watering.
👌
Agreed! Especially for the dessert?? The shade provided may also create opportunity for condensation water production and be dual purpose for food and energy.
1 - plants need sunlight not shade
2 - deserts are not fertile land
3 - water is hard to find in deserts and most would evaporate in the heat
@@shashipancholi Ridiculous fossil fuels defender.
1. Not all plants prefer 100% sunshine
2. Plants grow in deserts
3. Using water once for 2 benefits is my point
@@sanjuansteve apologies for being so blunt in my criticisms. Im trying not to be the guy who finds problems in every solution BUT critical thinking is required here.
Basically farm crops would not benefit from the addition of solar panels/mirrors and ideally you want to keep the surrounding land clear for maintenance reasons. Harvesting the crops would also be a nightmare. The water issue is probably the biggest for me as it would be far more efficient to simply wipe the panels (try washing dishes without wiping) and directly feed water to the plants. Using enough water to clean the panels and feed the plants is highly inefficient and doesn't save any water.
Essentially the main benefit would be to recover land for agriculture when it would be far easier to continue using arid land for energy production and fertile land for agriculture. There is no shortage of farm land and modern innovations in farming (such as indoor vertical farming) are aimed at producing food closer to where it will be consumed. This project seems to be aimed at producing energy far away from where people are living
Nuclear energy: "Look at the space they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Yep
Are you including the mines for uranium? cause Im' pretty sure the silica, steel, and rocks used for this are a cheaper and of less impact on surrounding lands. (might not have the same energy outputs per sq ft. compared to nuclear, but the infrastructure and maintenance costs are miles apart.)
@@tylerstone2917
But that's mainly bc of regulations. Nuclear is one of the most regulated sectors. There are new innovations coming though like molten salt reactor. But nuclear (new versions) is the greenest source of power. Some have found a way to reuse the waste.
@@bengsynthmusic Yes, US did.. they used it in Iraq.. depleted uranium shells.
Renewable energy: "Look at the money they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Ironically, the ads delivered to me via this video were from an oil company.
06:54 - beating the price of "fossil fuels" - you left out "without Government subsidies"...
big oil the biggest subsidized industry globally
@@trubblefoundit7056
Largest TAXED too!
@@davefellhoelter1343 yes, lets tax something we have to give money too to make profitable... that makes sense...
Who cares about the price. It's not about the price. Oil and gas needs to go
@@BaawBee Amen
They didnt talk about how much money will be spent maintaining the mirrors and cleaning them. That factors into the cost of operation.
But isn’t it good in a way? Now they can create jobs for people to do those things, no?
A couple of wet rags and a bottle or two of windex can't be that expensive
Coming soon: "The American Windex Embargo of 2023"
Robots.
so what?
This is just incredible. I think he can possibly get a Nobel prize for this.
In what field would that Nobel be? It's not science (discovering new things in nature) but engineering. Might be other rewards/recognition that can be more suitable . It's really exciting project!
@@larslover6559 peace.
"People won't have to take energy fromf ar away" - literally proposes a plan where 4 countries power the entire planet.
Not to mention concentrated solar does F-all in cloudy places, something PV solar tolerates well.
He literally proposed a plan where there are towers in the US to power the US you idiot. He was talking about the production of energy for the whole planet.
@@leerman22 i don’t think you watched the video
@@ImJustSage Besides the tracking system, nothing new.
Yep I thought that was a funny point
This is absolutely fantastic technology which I have been following for at least three years now. I hope they will succed soon because it will be an absolute game changer for humanity.
That's awesome you've been following it so long! Must be really exciting to see it continue to advance.
@@freethink Thanks, I live in Morocco a very sunny country with little energy ressources this kind of technology would be awesome to implement here.
There is no single gamechanger but this is worthy technology to be accessed.
Don't worry it's not going to become something practical like every other thing behind it. Shucks
@@khalidh3091 Really, you live there and dont know about the hundreds of Megawatts already installed at Ouarzazate?
I have been following alternative energy for a long time and this is hand's down one of the best systems I have ever seen. I just wish you had given figures for how many Megawatts one of those large scale plants could generate/roughly how many homes. I get the superheated rocks, aka molten salt. Where you loose me a bit is the distribution of energy through Hydrogen over distance. Better explanation of how exactly that works would have been helpful.
They are proposing that the hydrogen be used as a stand in for fossil fuels like natural gas and oil. Hydrogen can, in theory, be transported through pipelines, tankers, etc. similar to those fossil fuels. It can then be used as energy elsewhere either in hydrogen vehicles or natural gas electric plants converted to run on hydrogen.
Having said that, I personally think that part of the plan is an unnecessary conversion that will waste a ton of energy (compressing, transporting, and burning hydrogen). I like everything else, but I think they should just use the solar heat to directly run steam turbine electric generators (just like nuclear or most fossil fuel plants) and use the grid to transport the energy elsewhere. They could also produce synthetic fuels from hydrogen + carbon sequestration and supply that fuel to the large transportation industries (jets, ships, etc.) that can't easily be electrified.
They would probably convert the heat from the rocks (I don't know why they wouldn't specify what kind, probably want a trade secret or some way to privatize it) and convert that to electricity, Somehow. Then, through electrolysis, they turn water into hydrogen (Probably venting the oxygen in the process) to use as a transfer medium for energy. So far, Hydrogen is the most energy dense material we have access to, and it's relatively simple to make and transport. A plus for using hydrogen, is that the old fossil fuel burning systems (Car engines, heaters, stovetops, combustion generators, etc.) can mostly be converted to burning hydrogen instead of oil based substances. Converting them rather than replacing them.
My guess is hydrogen is more expensive compared to gas when looking at Cars that's why E.V is easily more popular. So if this concept works electricity cost to make hydrogen would drop which is one of the biggest barriers right now.
@@Theminecraftian772 The plant would use the heat from the molten rocks to convert water into steam to spin a turbine. This is how nuclear/coal/gas and existing Solar Thermal plants generate electricity in terms of vaporizing water.
@@CL-gq3no Elon Musk agree with you, he laugh maniacally at how stupid that idea is and the fact that is stated by a person who's called as genius, visionary and founder of over 150 companies
this is so funny. We talked about this when i was a student of Physics in grade 11 - that is way way long ago. Now here we go thx
People like this give me hope for a better future. This channel is truly inspirational.
Can we have a video to be more in depth on how they take energy from heated rocks?
Yes I need to know that too.
Video that covers how it works details ua-cam.com/video/_qNz3F0hgQ4/v-deo.html
It's simple really. If you put a kettle on a hot rock it will produce steam. Steam can then drive a turbine and produce energy. Same principle only bigger.
@@carltaylor4942 Yeah, but where is the turbine?
And how are we going to transfer the heat energy in to a turbine.
In your example the whole thing should be redesigned, the central colum should be bigger with rocks outside and water inside.
@@carltaylor4942 There´s also an alternative, your could use stirling engines to convert into motion the temperature gradient.
I'll never cease to be amazed by this channels content. Great work
So glad to hear, thanks for watching!
I just discovered it and love it already
I pray and hope he succeed at his mission,such a bright mind💫💫
With so little mechanical movement to the system, it seems like there wouldn't be much for maintenance costs? Maybe repairing some mirrors after a hail storm? That alone seems like it would beat the cost of gas. Expensive upfront costs, but it's free energy after that.
If we do not fight over oil, we will fight over something else though.
Drinkable water seems like the next candidate.
@@manuelsamperio8559 fortunately this could solve both because the biggest hurtle to desalination is energy consumption.
True. The military-congress-industrial-complex are used to the fast and quick profits that war brings.
Definitely agree there will always be things for people to fight over! Happily, the amount of wars and deaths caused by them has been generally decreasing since World War 2. (see ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace ). Hopefully as we continue to reduce our global dependence on specific resources it helps continue this trend - and that when we do inevitably fight, we do so with words rather than weapons.
Water is definitely an important concern. We've been following some innovative ways people have been creating to reduce our water use dramatically as well--see ua-cam.com/video/rRUAsJ_SvEk/v-deo.html
It's worth noting for context that although water is most important to us directly for drinking, a large majority of the water society uses is actually for industrial uses or farming (wherein a lot is lost using traditional methods, but new ones are vastly more efficient: ua-cam.com/video/J4SaSfnHK3I/v-deo.html
@@manuelsamperio8559 and when they solve that too?
Would love to see a miniturized version of this for individual households.
For distributed generation applications Parabolic Disc technology is usually used, rather than Central Receiver Systems.
Now THAT is futuristic thinking. Actually its pretty simple to make your own.
or individual neighbourhoods
This is honestly such an aspiring and well made series!!!!
Thank you for caring enough to share this information.
I am shocked and thrilled to see them succeed
@anonymous one also there are many of these in southern Spain ,since 2011 at least
@anonymous one ivanpah has been around since 2013 in California. Where do you think the Chinese got the idea?
At 6:45 : " *The powerful thing about that, is that we can move make energy where the sun is good, and move it to where the sin isn't*" doesn't make sense. There is a massive rate of energy loss when moving electricity, about one percent for every 100 km. We had a similar plan for Europe, where we would install solar plants in Northern Africa and relay the energy to Europe. It doesn't work.
I like the idea of using rocks as a battery though, anything that can lower our strain on Lithium needs is good. And they seem to be way more efficient than current methods.
The issue is those mirrors need to be cleaned, especially in deserts. Dust means a less efficient reflection. This is probably an issue concerning the scalability of the product.
Nice video though. I wish they spent more time on tackling the conventional challenges instead of wishful thinking about stopping wars and conflicts by bringing them energy. Moving energy = loosing energy.
Wow!! I just kept saying “Wow!” over and over. So cool.
This is absolutely amazing, not just the idea, but the video as well. Good job!
I like this idea but they will always find a reason for another war.
And if there is no reason, they create a reason and then make profit from it.
This requires raw materials to make! There is your reason! Land ownership an who owns these plants? More reasons!
Oh yeah trying to start some s*** are you.? You want a war I'll give you a goddamn War.😅 not really. Too many movies.
They're already beginning by buying up family homes lol
Yup, not many nations have desert laying around. This could create power dispute in the future, just as bad as oil.
Really clever. Love the computer vision reducing the precision needed on the reflector installation. Using shot glasses as your composite core material, genius. Also it appears your pivot mechanism uses a single motor? Looks like you can easily stick these in on uneven terrain.
Amazing! The scalability is the real edge here, GOOD LUCK 🍀 🙏🙏
The jobs in manufacturing, maintenance, engineering, transport, etc! These three areas are gonna grow their economy so much!
This is revolutionary and change how we sustainably have a better future.
@@mediterraneandiet2483 Not just anything but things which can be generated and used efficiently over a long period of time.
These are bird slaughtering devices. In the past all of these were huge failures.
No. No mirror tech isn't new at all. They even say so in the video.
@@uni4rm controllable mirrors?
I am always in awe of what Human kind is capable of..
23 years ago i showcased a miniature manual version of this to my school exhibition. They gave first prize to coke volcano coz that girls spoke fluent english.
Well look at this video judges!
It's not too late to go back and fry the staff room 😀😂😀😂
Lool
People think that Elon Musk is the best inventor at this decade, but here is this guy, storing heat in rocks. Every scientist know that a lot of heat is required for melt a rock but no one thinking to use it for storing it. Bravo sir!!
Stone age
CSP HYPEEEEEE (it doesn’t get enough love vs PV, so i am SO GLAD a major group like you covered it)
Also the “built in storage” via molten salt or saturated steam can have them run for a day with no/not enough sun, all with no huge battery banks needed!
(i think some places use phase change materials or powders that heat hp upon dissolution but not really common iirc)
Some people have pointed out the issue of birds, but the same measures that airports use can prevent / reduce that issue
Also it produces heat directly which can be beneficial for some industrial uses, as jt has less losses over sun->pv->arc furnace or hydrogen/synfuel burner being just sun-heat
And *supergrids* !
@@ericlotze7724, Agreed, the bird concerns are very much overstated anyway. I was just in Nevada and Arizona for a week. I barely saw any birds outside of the cities. Deserts aren't known for having massive bird populations and animals tend to stay away from fields full of strange moving reflective mirrors anyway.
Finally an invention that works and people that understand the way the world uses electricity.
Inventions that work are the best!
@@freethink Inventions that work are the best...
Oh right like the Atomic bomb, yea good one.
Saw this over 20 years ago , nothing came of it....what's stopping them.
Infrastructure perhaps? Like there is no infrastructure built for it yet?
Idk im no expert
So apparently some were shutdown because they cooked birds
Perhaps they need to come up with a method to scare them off
@@zefellowbud5970 this solar power generator is sponsored by, KFC
Maybe the cost of maintenence is pretty high... I don't think that those mirrors gonna clean themselves...
@@zefellowbud5970 ivanpah had immense maintenance costs and yah it cooked birds
Isn't this the same death ray that literally cooks birds mid flight?
Good! Fast food!
No, the one you refer to is the regular solar panels that point to the sun and so birds flying through gets cook. Theirs is different since they reflect it on a single point which is not the sky but a tower to receive the energy.. i think this is better than regular solar farms..
@@wrailee regular photovoltaic solar panels dont cook birds, the heck are you talking about?
Besides, coal and the resulting climate change kills more animals than the occasional KFC by focused light ever could.
@@2MeterLP who tf uses coal anymore natural gas is cheaper than water
@@jackhazardous4008 germany and china use plenty of coal
I love content like this. It's insightful, hopeful and attainable.
So glad to hear, thanks for watching!
Hopeful it is.
This is a declaration of war against traditional solar farms. That really on photovoltaic.
But it hasn't been long sicne they themself had pushed solarthermic energy production from the board.
It’s also been tried and has failed. Watch planet of the humans by Michael Moore. This very thing was proven to not work. Just like all “green energy”
Take the oil and gas subsidies off of them and add them to the alternate energy projects.
BOOM!
You get cheaper alternate energy.
I know right. So, why dont the Democrats do that?
@@Skidmark75 Oil and gas industry has deep pockets and we all know how lobbying works
@@sarfrazahmed8178 I completely agree with you. Even the Democrats dont really want to fix the problem otherwise they would do just that. For them it is a talking point or a way to gain votes just so they can push their priority agendas when in power again.
Good idea, but we'd have to stop voting Republican to get that done.
@@misterguts there is real humor to you saying that when Democrats have control right now and are doing basically nothing. Maybe you dont know or don't want to believe they lied to you yet again.
6:36 I wouldnt want to captain that ship with 18000 TEUs of liquid hydrogen though
new startup idea, autonomous ships
@@prithvishetty6938 *laughs in modern day piracy*
@@shanehoward8579
You ever play a turret tower defense game? That, but put it on a boat
Hats off to you mate.. never even imagined this was actually practically possible,,
Hydrogen? Really? After all the losses from conversion to and from electricity why would you bother?
You end up with at best 30% of the power you put in. Wouldn't you make more money selling 50% more power from the same input over intercontinental power lines?
Seriously guys HVDC cables are the way to go, only 5% loss over 1000km. Linking the worlds power grids would be a more effective solution, no need for grid scale batteries either if you can simply buy it from the continent next door that's still in daylight / highwinds.
I'm not even factoring in the massive amount of energy needed to compress the gas to 300 atmospheres, or the rare earth catalysts needed for hydrogen production that would need to be procured either..
Other than that, hotrocks are definitely a good solution. But I hope you're using a Supercritical carbon cycle to catch all that power and not an inefficient steam turbine.
Exactly. It's great until they get to the last (unnecessary) step and waste all of that clean electricity (which is universal and needed by everyone) by inefficiently converting to hydrogen that has very little consumer demand without re-engineering all of our existing infrastructure and transportation.
@@CL-gq3no I don't think they are stupid to not consider the losses. Maybe they have some trade secrets to win over. No company will completely put out their methods.
@@shankarmgs4056, Doubtful. A lot of very smart people in the renewable energy space are fixated on the idea of hydrogen as a replacement for fossil fuels. Toyota for example is falling way behind in the EV race (they should be way ahead considering they made the first popular hybrid with the Prius) because they are very focused on hydrogen. Hydrogen is very appealing when you only consider the consumer side of it (the cars for example). However, when you look at the production, storage, and transport side of things it is an inefficient logistical nightmare. For hydrogen to become the energy standard of the future would require EVERYTHING we have every built to be retrofitted or rebuilt. The infrastructure would be very expensive (compressing/storing/transporting of flammable gases at 5000 PSI+ is not cheap or easy to maintain). It's pretty much all the cons and few if any pros.
Meanwhile, the infrastructure is already in place for electrification of most things from consumer vehicles to lawn equipment to heating appliances. It's just the existing electric grid with more renewable energy added to phase out fossil fuels. For larger things like construction equipment, jets, and ships "synthetic fuels" are a better choice than hydrogen. The infrastructure, supply chain, and vehicles would not need to be changed at all. Synthetic fuels are basically direct substitutes for fossil fuels produced from carbon sequestration and electricity. Other than the production methods changing, everything else remains the same. It also uses sequestered carbon from the atmosphere which immediately helps with that issue.
I agree. Hydrogen is a pipe dream.
On a different topic, why would using rocks for heat storage make sense? Wouldn't other concentrated solar power companies have tried such a simple method instead of salts?
@@_capr_545 How long did it take humanity to put wheels on their luggage?
It's all about mindset, an engineer or scientist will find the most efficient material possible to archieve their goal. But they may not be thinking about the cost of those approaches or how easy / hard they are to manufacture as much.
A person who's studied business, manufacturing, economics and engineering may be able to find the real world solution.. Like Elon.
A super critical carbon loop with a smaller turbine is probably more energy efficient. But I'll bet the hot rocks and sand are infinitely cheaper to setup.
Great content, easy to digest, and wonderfully executed editing/VFX. Subbed. Would love to see more content around climate change and sustainable energy.
This has been around since the 70s. look up why California and most of the Middle East stopped using the arrays
Ivanpah Has been in shambles for years, so true
in californiat we have 3 on the way to vegas. They still work.
@@efemdesign worked so well they killed birds, killed endangered species, dried out the ground and cooked two whole valleys that they ended removing them form because of the ecological damage they did. As I said. Look up what happened. The three left are just test models.
@@Daniel-os9tb I mean at least it isn't like burning fossil fuels where it essentially turns the air you breath into poison.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 no. It just completely destroys the environment and eco system around it by cooking everything like a Bleeping oven.
Awesome stuff. Thank you so much for producing and sharing this content.
This is incredible!!! Looking forward to following along with this project
The rock battery and blue sky camera tech blew my mind
A lot of rays of hope for the future - good luck. An uplifting view of the future with an action plan.
I am so incredibly excited for the future!
So these guys are trying to save the world? Awesome
Dont worry they cause water issues, but shhhhhh dont let anybody hear that.
The more the merrier!
@@irthatkid WTF that's some nonsense.
@@Neojhun did you not hear they use it to split the oxygen from the hydrogen? They also do these in low water areas. But it you want to ignore the obvious issues, be my guest. Im not going to waste any more time trying to argue this.
@@irthatkid ya know that all of the places they've mentioned are near salty water bodies? Well that ain't potable water and so it's not taking away a necessary element to survival. If we have to sacrifice 1Km^3 of water to sustain all of the world's energy consumption, then I think it's a sacrifice that all of the nations are willing to take.
I’d be interested to see how the rocks are moved from the heat source to the storage.
They are not. They will use oil to move the heat from the heat-source to the rocks. There are some eco-villages in Holland that use this system to convert sunlight to heat (using conventional solar panels), and then during the winter, distribute this stored heat, to local homes. :)
@@millanferende6723 I’ve seen the sand version, (In Finland) that uses excess renewable electricity. It heats via resistive means. They only heat the sand to 5 or 600 deg C. At the temperature they quoted in this video, over 1000 deg C, sand is liquid, and boils around 1500 C. I’d be interested to know which oil is used to make the transfer at that temperature.
@@MrCarlRobinson No idea, but I can imagine there are plenty of composite materials nowadays that let you have all kinds of properties.
I know you had a different kind of mirror array, where they were ) shaped, and all would focus light onto a pipe running through them that contains oil.
That is how I imagine it to be. But I guess there is nothing wrong with using sand, the only problem really is that once it cools off and solidifies (say during maintenance), do you just toss away the entire tube-system?
It will be interesting to know indeed on how Heliogen has circumvented it. These guys are brilliant.
@@millanferende6723 the highest temperature composite heat transfer oil I can find is 600 deg C. I’ve been considering a sand based system for under our house, where the insulated mass is heated in the summer and heat withdrawn over the winter. The house is built on concrete pillars, with a void space underneath, so most of the space is already there. Here’s a resource for the oils. globalhtf.com/heat-transfer-fluids/?lpurl?ppc_keyword=keyword&gclid=CjwKCAjwlYCHBhAQEiwA4K21m4z6lQ_DP5UXQyTwbHfqmBcixAgeFBXc2swUayRXKK0UsqsnBH3DdBoCp-4QAvD_BwE
@MrCarlRobinson Well it seems like you know more about sand cooling than me. That is so cool!I was personally thinking that the oil runs so fast, that the oil only heats up to 500 degrees. Like it's 1500 degrees at the core, but the fast flowing oil cools it down.But I could be wrong though. It would be nice to see what they actually do. I am subscribed to their channel and am excited to see how it all actually works. 👍🏻
amazing graphics, and i like the owner he seemed sincere in his need to help the world.
I've been watching these videos and I can't help but think about how humanity needed to start addressing these issues a lot sooner, about how we really just compromised our future for financial gain. I'm sad.
Heliogen, unlocking the power of sunlight to replace fossil fuels. ☀️☀️☀️
We've been doing this for decades now... Nothing here is fundamentally new...
@@gurumage9555 the ability to adjust the mirrors so accurately and autonomously is unlocking the full potential of this technology... Which is huge . .. ..
@@TheCynicalOptimist88 whut you can't predict where the sun is going to be? Wtf! The Egyptians built pyramids aligning distans galaxis and built sun clocks. Its not like the sun takes different routes everyday 😂☀️
@@harounhajem7972 well, given that the inclination of the trajectory of the sun differs every day due to earth inclination (reason why there are white nights above Arctic) it s not that simple to track :) and goal here is to get more efficiency: older technology of solar furnaces existed for decades but had lot of losses as they couldn't track precisely
So it s a big deal to make it more efficient
@@harounhajem7972 you are hilariously unintelligent. im surprised you can type honestly.
We have some of them in Spain. No more of them are made because the solar cells are now cheaper and more efficient than this system. You have a Tom Scott video about them
Finally someone with brains not falling for the hype. It's funny how they will not say a word about numbers in this video. You could cover same area with solar cells and get waaaaay more kWhr's of electricity than with this contraption. Also converting electricity to hydrogen is dumb idea. And they want to here to convert heat to electricty and than to hydrogen. Dumb as hell. Solar can be deployed virtually anywhere on the planet. Private solar energy production and trading it is the future. Fossil fuels companies just don't want democratisation of power, because they loose monopoly. Hence pushing large scale nonsense projects to solve something that already got solution.
The hydrogen part was dumb to me. But we will need it for some things like ‘space travel’ but if they are wanting to run cars on it I will SCREAM!!
@@KeithandPamBilyeu There are already cars that run on hydrogen, since its better as a fuel compared to batteries. The cost of such systems isn't efficient at all, however. Go ahead and scream.
This is great tech! I could imagine a neighborhood-scaled version to put next to a park. It wouldn't have to be "massive" to produce enough power for the houses - maybe 1Mw at peak. And, if it can store that power in rocks that heat a steam generator, then that could last for a while. In essence you're banking on the average power across many days rather than any single day's output.
Seems a great development, I'm looking forward to this.
All very noble but in the end of the day, this is a business like any other. Then there is this vision of putting this in few locations and distributing the energy to those who need it, well... these locations could in theory stop providing just as easily as nations who control fossil fuels. Then there is the hydrogen, that´s a whole different topic which I think is a bad idea (for small scale use like powering cars and such).
Why do you think hydrogen is a bad idea for small scale use?
@@femiogundipe767 Hydrogen to power for example cars; producing electricity -> producing hydrogen (which is only 70-80% efficient) -> storing hydrogen (infrastructure + energy) -> transporting hydrogen (vehicles + energy) -> storing it again -> infrastructure to distribute it (hydrogen stations, infrastructure + energy, plus continuing dependency on companies to provide you with energy so you can get about) -> car
Electricity to power for example cars; Produce electricity (which you can do yourself if you want) -> transport (electric grid if you get it from an electric company, otherwise, it´s just your house wiring) -> household energy stations -> car
Now, there are some who try and debunk this by saying that electric vehicles get their electricity from fossil fuel power stations, but most don´t know that most hydrogen, or ∼95%, is produced by fossil fuels. Also, there a nations that are running near 100% renewable energy like Iceland, Norway, Costa Rica and so on, so it just makes more sense to have electric vehicles and they are getting better and better.
Imagine getting away with not using hydrogen stations. No more "gas" stations, you would just charge at home or in small stations in parking lots, that makes more sense to me.
@@valli6174 You don't get it. What you are advocating would work in a densely populated area like European cities. But that wouldn't work in the US. It's not about how hydrogen is produced now. Its about replacing that method with a green process on a large scale that would essentially replace gasoline as the main fuel as fuel cells in cars. It will take years to replace fossil fuels in America as the main production for electricity. Nuclear has sat at 20% for years, and is the best efficient way to produce electricity large scale, but there are only 4 new plants planned and only 1 built since the turn of the century.
While battery tech is pretty neat, it is so lacking in density that you would need some new tech which doesn't exist yet to compete with a fuel driven vehicle systems. Note that any battery car with good range competing with ICE vehicles are extremely expensive. Most people cannot afford long-range $80,000 electric cars or their own solar panel system at home. And if they don't live at home, but in an apartment block, where do they charge? Hydrogen is a solution now, that can work within the fuel distribution system the US has now. Electric vehicles will always have issues with range and efficiency. That's why they lost the last fuel wars when they came out over 100 years ago.
@@uni4rm That simply isn´t true. Battery technology is on the verge to tackle some major hurdles. I don´t think you fully grasp that, hydrogen is only perpetuating the old system of locking the customer in a very inefficient network, paying probably much more for the hydrogen than ever for the electricity. I think that the electric vehicle market will take a jump in the next years and range won´t be an issue any more. We are already past 500 km range with electricity and that is with old technology, the new one will push us even further, without many of the old technology problems and that is happening within the next 5 - 10 years, even sooner. There is a reason why most companies are betting on electricity and even countries. Many countries who bet on hydrogen and tested buses have switched to electricity as they have simply given up on it. Hydrogen may do some wonders for big consumers like ships and airplanes but that still remains to be seen. I sincerely hope hydrogen won´t take over, I don´t need to be addicted to yet another monopoly of "gas" companies, if I want to produce my own electricity and charge my car with it, I want to have the option. If hydrogen wins, you can bet that you won´t be producing much of it at home and filling you car with it.
How did I never get to watch your videos, got me at 1:43 😂
Feels somewhat weird that no one else is commenting about that part
Mr. Bill GROSS and Steve Schell, you built proof that it works, 3 cheers to you. Fantastic
I still have goosebumps.
Would be interesting if they could do this within a city. Place the mirrors in strategic locations to achieve the same thing. Buildings full of rocks to store the heat.
I think for cities Hydro makes more sense put a turbine on a tall building it already has running water just tap into it and boom. The kind of heat this thing creates is way too dangerous.
The power companies will try and block this because they see this as a threat to their business. Also, how do you keep all those mirrors clean so they work at optimal efficiency? Personally, I think this is a great idea and I hope it catches on.
Ig they can always install a swipper and they all get clean at same time for max efficiency, it's true that it might be a concern since they want to install those mirrors in desert place which mirrors might accumulate dust, or we might be just overthinking and those dust don't really do anything
You can’t block a company from purchasing land, mirrors, and rocks.
What a great Work. That's inovation. He didn't invented the solar energy, but reinvented the way to use it more efficientily... That's awesome... thanks for the video!!!
This whole series needs to be shown to all world leaders
Very exciting, extremely well done production however i left slightly confused, Id really like to know more about the conversion of this source into electricity, the rocks is super interesting but need more info about their conversion to practical energy as well as the hydrogen. Maybe it deserves another video because this was very well done, I also enjoyed it, great infotainment
Solar panels I assume. I mean, nuclear would work better and the ONLY issue is storing the radioactive items but that isn't as big of a problem as you might think.
Please do another video with more information on cost, is it now in process and
What would it take to bring to reality?
This video said ten years making the reduction of co2 doable for the first time !
This concept is really incredible
Incredible idea. This needs to succeed.
Oil-Rich countries and their well-armed allies: *tough-guy finger snapping*
If it's possible to make a damn cheap, but strong mirror that doesn't require much maintenance, with inexpensive materials, then this can absolutely become a thing.
it is possible !
How silly! There is no way this will become cheap. Just another alternative energy BS.
@@smilingmoon9095 Please. I'm an Atheist to the bone-marrow, so when I say _this_ is not the way to do it, and actually care to reply and criticize an Atheist for his or her methods, I _mean_ it.
@@Brandon_letsgo Nothing is "cheap." The question is how narrowed down technologically these facilities actually can be. If it's nothing but a set of rotating reflecting mirrors that are run by software, pinpointed at one spot that creates over 1000 C that in turn runs a boiler, spinning a turbine - creating energy that are collected in tanks filled with rocks?
Now.... That neither sound too expensive to build, too fancy, nor too technical does it?
But I'm sure you can make it very expensive very quickly by just requiring telescope lens quality on every mirror.
@@Brandon_letsgo You poor thing, you.
It's really awesome !!!
Thanks for the video.
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I heard stories were these things were known to set flying birds on fire.
That's a common concern! We asked Heliogen and this was their response:
"As a company whose entire mission is focused on decarbonization and the preservation of the planet, our technology has been designed with special care to mitigate any threats to birds or other wildlife. Heliogen’s Sunlight Refinery differs greatly from traditional concentrated solar power (CSP) design. Instead of large reflective panels, we use an array of small mirrors that are programmed via advanced computer vision software to adjust to the sun’s position throughout the day and precisely reflect sunlight to a single target. Compared to traditional CSP, the size of the fields, receiver and tower are much smaller, and the software optimization ensures the highest accuracy of reflection, all of which substantially reduces potential avian impact. Heliogen is committed to minimizing impacts of our technology through strict adherence to permitting, wildlife surveys, ongoing assessment and collaboration with conservation authorities.
It’s also important to keep in mind that the leading “man-made” causes of bird deaths each year include 980 million from buildings, 174 million from power lines, and up to 340 million from vehicles/roads. Wind turbines generating renewable energy have faced similar criticism for avian impacts, but analyses of bird fatalities by energy sources found it’s a meager fraction compared to coal (328,000 high estimate for wind vs. nearly 8 million for coal, which includes everything from mining to production and climate change).
Our goal is to curb climate change, which currently puts two-thirds of bird species at risk of extinction in North America alone. While we cannot completely eliminate all wildlife impacts of Heliogen projects, there’s much more at stake if we don’t take action to decarbonize the economy today."
It seems about right… let’s see if it’s gonna work though
It works, and its been being done since the 1970s. Using hydrogen as an energy transfer medium is a twist, but not a new twist. I'm building a micro version in my back yard, but not with hydrogen or with robotic construction. Cheers! 😁
I was playing Dyson Sphere Program on the weekend. These dudes are playing it in real life. Impressive.
holy crap! this is absolutely incredible!!
The earth already is a hot rock...1,083,206,916,846 cubic kilometres of it actually.
Build a geothermal plant on top of Yellowstone.
@@momentary_ No one lives out there. So you would be supplying energy to.....wolves and Old Faithful. And you know that Yellowstone is a volcano, right?
Interesting idea, but you lost me at generating hydrogen and transporting it over long distances.
The hydrogen part of this SMH….but hydrogen needed for space travel…but not for cars or anything else please!
Tell me how you hate batteries without telling me you hate batteries.
Yah, was a pretty good con for 6 minutes and 27 seconds.
Why did they lose you? Generating hydrogen with basically little cost investment is the way to drive down the cost of the end-fuel.
@@uni4rm The problem with hydrogen is the small size of the atoms/molecule (literally number 1 on the periodic table, the smallest) and therfore it escapes from all kinds of non preventable small cracks in even the most expensive tanks over time, especially if tranported (movement, vibration).
Cool to see this tech be further developed.
this would be a total game changer for sure hope it gets done quickly
First of all, I really appreciate these videos. They're interesting, entertaining, and have excellent production quality.
I have some comments on this one for constructive purposes:
It would have been helpful to see how they heat the rocks, and then how they convert that thermal energy to electricity.
The competitor to beat is solar PV panels. Can this tech compete economically?
The ending message is somewhat contradictory. First, they propose that there will be a handful of 'producer' areas (SW USA, Australia, northern Africa, etc) and the rest of the world are 'consumer' areas in an interdependent network. Immediately after, they advocate the importance of producing energy near where we need it.
If this system is used to generate green hydrogen, what's the point of the rock vault that stores thermal energy?
"what's the point of the rock vault that stores thermal energy?"
Efficiency. Waste not, want not.
@@nickhepburn5150 if you're converting the energy to hydrogen, then adding a thermal storage step in-between will reduce the efficiency.
How do they know where the sun is? Interns of course. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was a good one
This inspires me.
great stuff team!
Really ecstatic that UA-cam recommended me this Epic video!! 🥲
US goverment : nice, lets use this for war. just like the nuclear
This is just brilliant.
Fascinating.
40 year old tech gets a face-lift and now is going to save the world? Sounds like a marketing campaign for another round of funding.
It's a brilliant idea. However, I'm missing information on how this project would stop war over energy? It can be built at few areas on earth, same as oil rigs.
Few areas, the desert is expanding and with global warming they can soon built this station in every country 😂
Its called "lets roll with our entire combined fantasy" 🤣
Well, if you have "unlimited energy", you could use it to desaline sea water and maybe prevent the water wars that are coming in the next decades.
Well it can be built anywhere, it's just less efficient in some places
Whatever tries to quench the World's thirst for fossil fuels, the less likely we are to go to war. We are so dependent on Fossil fuels that it practically runs the Developed nations of the world who will be willing to fight for it. De-reliance on fossil fuels would stop this
Great video and hope for the planet !!!