The Solar System of Star Trek
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- There are a myriad of Space Stations and colonies across the Sol System of Star Trek, and not all are owned by Starfleet. So let's take a look at the capital solar system of the United Federation of Planets and the basics on the worlds that includes, from the colony of Luna, to the Archives on Pluto.
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If there were ever to be a Starfleet Academy TV show they could really flesh out the Sol System like this.
Stop with your amazing ideas, Paramount has an intellectual property to slaughter!
It’s a good concept but they would probably ruin it trying to be gritty and edgy.
@@zico739 I know, it would need to have that classic Next Gen feel, like Saved by the Bell in Space with some classic balanced moral and intellectual heft.
Paramount would ruin a new production by trying to enter deuce and place prominently homosexuality lesbianism and transgender people as being the focus of attention instead of it being on entertainment
@@zico739 *just more excuses to explore gender fluidity in space...we don't need anymore of that*
One of the things that always bugged me about Earth in Star Trek is how empty orbit is. There should be thousands of Space stations around it, satellites etc. At least a dozen startships. But everytime something happens the Enterprise is the only ship nearby. It's like an attack happens in Washington and there is only 1 cop car, but it's TJ Hooker.
Yeah, there's only more things in orbit if its relevant to the plot. They also forget to add Luna Colony to the moon in most shots, unless its important to the scene. My Little Pony paid more attention to its moon's surface for goodness' sake!
I agree but for the other planets in the system. Earth itself should be solely a human paradise and the capital of the ufp
@@ADivineFellow But Earth Spacedock is HUGE. It handles so much shipping, there would have to be an enormous number of ships coming in and out all the time. Not to mention the other repair stations in orbit, the research stations, the traffic to and from Luna...
@@irregularassassin6380 Huge? No. It's tiny. It's an itty bitty spec.
The reason you don't see anything else in orbit is because they're too far away.
I would say it’s more equivalent to saying there is only one plane at the air force base protecting Washington DC
Rick: "Uranus had nothing on it that I could find."
Me: So there's a hole in that part of the lore, then. 😆
I thought I saw some Klingons there once.😲😆
@@goldenknight578 Classic.
You'd think they could find some dingle-berries
@@yodaslovetoy Klingon dingle-berries, that 👍
I think you'd find the Italian and Nanowar of Steel along with their backup sailor moon/alien shiny bodysuited dancers on Uranus. [No, seriously. Check out their music video "Uranus". It's hilarious and worked in astronomical facts while still being metal!]
With much of Star Trek often being about distant stars, it's nice to hear about the underrated statuses of the Solar system. With all the terraforming projects going on, imagine when Sol has like a half a dozen Earth-like planets/moons.
Ive found most of the really compelling scifi is often more about the future of Earth and not what happens on distant planets.
Venus would be the interesting one. It would mostly be flat. Introduce some grass and you could have billions of sheep.
@@patsfreak A New Zealander's wet dream
The irony about the databases being put on Pluto due to its supposed geological inactivity is funny, since we now know it has cyroclastic volcanoes, moving ice sheets and a possible liquid ocean underneath the surface
Welp, the writers tried. It's a really cool idea, unfortunately the science undermined the effort. I guess in the Trek universe they either froze the oceans, or it really is just a ball of rock.
Perhaps they intended for mass induced terraforming and it went wrong. 100 million??? It stricken from the record. (2088). So by non Star Trek Enterprise standards that would be ancient history and likely forgotten.
Fun fact: turns out Pluto might be more geologically active than Earth... or possibly Io! So, yeah... so much for it being stable in the long term
well yeah, that mass relay buried in Charon causes all sorts of problems.
Was listening to “a pilgrimage to holy terra” by oculus imperia just now and that’s such a cool if dark idea of how utterly militarised earth is in the future. Great story if anyone is interested.
Omg yes that’s one of my favorite tales from them
Great channel. 👌
You know, it's interesting how both Star Trek, and Mass Effect, use Venus as a training ground for flying shuttles in hostile atmospheres.
Great breakdown
Though in regards to Starbase 1 there are two options in my mind that explains what we see. Either Starbase 1 was meant to be 100 AU from *Discovery*'s current location or the statement about it's location is hyperbole akin to saying a building is right next to something even when it's actually down the street a fair way.
This channel is better than what paramount is producing.
I think Riker would find it amusing to have "Worked on Uranus Station" on a ensign's profile.
When I used to write "shared universe" fanfiction, I had built up the Sol Star System as having Jupiter become a mini-star (i.e. based on the events from the movie "2010"), which greatly made the real estate around "Jupiter Sector" and "Saturn Sector" hotly contested. And by the beginning of the 25th century, all of the planets were either terraformed or had eco-safe domed technology. BTW, I also had it where Starfleet discovered that "Pluto" was a disguised "Death Star" prototype (i.e. from "STAR WARS"), which was lost when its star drive malfunctioned. Yeah, I went there. 😉
There is a star wars comic where Han and Chewy get lost and crash on earth, Han dies and Chewy is where the legend of bigfoot comes from. So it's actually possible.
That's a big Death Star. (said in the tone of "That's a big Twinkie")
@@3Rayfire 😂
@@marcussinclaire4890 I actually had that comic, before I sold my stash to a comic dealer a while back.
Actually Earth’s moon is a much better candidate. Google “Hollow Moon.” NASA evidence, not even classified. Amazing it’s not better known.
The funny thing throughout the federations history is you'd think the capital solar system would be far more better protected
You have to get through nearly the whole beta quadrant to make it to Sol.
*Pascal Fullerton has entered the chat*
I think in all of trek (canon) history it was only attacked four times, right? The Xindi probe and superweapon from Enterprise, the Klingon stealth raid from Discovery, and the Breen attack from DS9. That's four assaults (of debatable success) in four hundred years, two of which occurred when the system was under the sole jurisdiction of United Earth.
@@irregularassassin6380 And two Borg incursions
The whale probe for Star Trek 4 so....
I think an amazing idea would be that one day a Star Ship discovers a race very similar to humans. They are just as advanced as us and are eager to join Starfleet. Later they are shocked to learn that their ancestors once lived in our solar system. They didn't come from Earth though they came from Venus. The world was once a thriving beautiful place until a war between nations broke out. It lead to the down fall of the planet. Only a few million escaped on advanced ships. I'm also writing a book similar to this but nothing to do with Star Trek.
4:05 wait Rick, I know there isn't much know about it, but you forgot to mention Lake Armstrong. I imagine that while maybe domed it would still be a great place to go fishing.
I remember years ago I asked you to do a video about earth in Star Trek. I think my time has come!
small correction:
in Lower decks Neptune is briefly mentioned to be inhabited planeside by giant dirigible stations... the population mainly consisting of cetaceans...
The moon has shipyards as well at lest two , copernicus and yoyodyne shipyards.
There's also tranquility base where the constitution class USS Defiant was built.
Yoyodyne-“The future begins tomorrow!”
I like the Expanses take of Mars. After a certain point in the story people are like "What's the point in living here?". Mars as a colony when earth like planets were being discovered makes little to no sense. As a base or ship yards? Maybe. Mars as a place to live is silly after interplanetary travel in sci-fi.
Why do people live in deserts and space and the antartic? Becuase we can... Which Gundam straight up ignore the surface mars in all but 1 series.
Ehh. That's kind of like asking whats the point of living in Winsconsin, Saskatchewan, Siberia, or the Gobi Desert. Different strokes.
Interstellar. Interplanetary never makes it out of the solar system.
All the places you mentioned are pretty habitable. A better analog to Mars woukd be Antarctica @jellojiggler1693
I think in the novel Before Dishonor, a sentient borg cube crashed into and assimilated the mass and material of Pluto, before absorbing a large amount of material, ships and even mass from the sun. There was a joke in the book about that finally clearing up the question of if Pluto was a planet... since it didnt exist any more.
In one of the recent books Pluto was destroyed by the Borg Supercube that literally rammed into Pluto and absorbed what was left into the Supercube.
Do you remember what book that was? I'm interested in starting reading some trek books, but don't know where to start.
@@dustinjoosen5901 The book is called BEFORE DISHONOUR
Hi Rick, when you have a chance, could you cover communications in space, sending of subspace messages and/or communicators? Thanks
"Venus is a little bit more active"
Yes, you can't stop the work.
Edit: 3:38 Another Tycho? Had to look him up. Tycho Brahe
For some reason, I had Bananarama going through my head the entire time he was talking about Venus.
Shame that there isn't more than a few references to the Mars Defence Perimeter, I would like to know more about that?
Mars defense perimeter is literally 3 guys in a shuttlecraft. Lol
Might be too long, but could we have a video on the Mars Defense Perimeter?
Or a video about the Martian Colonies declaration.
@@Awestefeld6612Fundamental Declarations of the Martian Colonies
Honestly with Sol being home to so many Federation and Starfleet institutions, you'd expect a force of perhaps fifty starships to be stationed in system. Occasionally these ships will be rotated out as new ships shipyards in Sol.
Thanks for this video! I never paused to think much about our local Sol System in the Star Trek universe.
The video held up pretty well until you said "the entire system is under observation by the Federation and United Earth". We know full well that they don't keep anything but a single half malfunctioning or incomplete ship in the sector.
I know I'm biased, but the Sol System is my favorite system.
Let me guess, you’re a local?
@@erikthomsen4768 There's no place like home.
I love the idea that Pluto was chosen to house archives because it’ll outlive the rest of the solar system. Thinking about the time scale of the universe can mess with your mind
I'd love to have a video covering the interior of Earth Spacedock and each level and what is in each deck ie offices, the entire works that can be found in Canon and non canon.
Great work Rick another fantastic lore video I find the star trek universe fascinating thanks sir 😀
Mercury "due to it slow rotation" it has one side facing the sun. Plain wrong it spins at about the same rate that it orbits so the sun is almost always over one point in the sky but fun fact due to orbital resonance there is a period where you can see the sun rise and then set in the place it started rising ...
It's a 2 to 3 resonance. Orbits twice for every three rotations
Before 1962, Mercury was thought to be tide-locked. However, this was discovered not to be the case four years before Star Trek started.
Luna should have an atmosphere; Lake Armstrong is visible during early evening moonrise, according to Riker in First Contact.
Perhaps it's under a massive dome.
@@ClarinoI Or it's just called "Lake Armstrong."
FANTASTIC THANK YOU VERY MUCH! This gives me so much information about stations and how much they can diverse in functionality. I really wish Star Treck would introduce more universal scale buildings, atm they only have that Universe class ship, but not station. I mean there is the iconian dison sphere, but there is not much lore about it, its mainly a warzone.
According to Roddenberry and Whitfield's "The Making of Star Trek", they deliberately avoided Earth in TOS to keep their options on future stories open and to avoid political controversy.
So pluto is just a bus route- and an efficient one at that! You can get a long distance vessel and then disembark to get the more packed cars moving into the city center.
Very good video about the "home" region, thanks... 👏👍😏
That's why Beverly is so...light on her feet!
Oooh I was excited for this one when I saw the thumbnail! I think I might enjoy learning more about Earth's immediate backyard in future Trek content. Thank you for the video!
Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you, friends. :)
A fascinating Look, beyond Sol III 👍🖖
Wonderful idea!
thanks for making that. i have always wondered.
Have you thought about the Solar System from the Alien Universe or perhaps a video on the Factions from the Alien Universe, like United Americas, The Three World Empire and the Union of Progressive Peoples? Just a thought. Love your videos.
How come we never saw those orbital defense platforms when that Borg Cube reached Earth ? Would have been cool to see some of em in action.
great job
I would love to see the rest of the sol system fleshed out in STO.
i would love to see some of our other planets in strange new world other then earth
Personally, I'd like to return to Roddenberry's vision where you never saw Earth.
Somehow it seems "the expanse" is just a huge what-if-series based in the Star trek universe
Honestly, one of the most glaring continuity errors in Star Trek was the idea that in-system warping was considered dangerous (for the wrong reasons, but still) and that you had to warp to the edge of a system, and then go on impulse the rest of the way in.
You're still not really in danger of "running into something" at warp in-system, but a warp field would very probably play havoc with the stability of the planetary orbits in the system itself. Jumping to warp from planetary orbit should cause massive quakes and tidal waves on the planet itself.
Sticking to that premise would've meant that locations like the various Dwarf Planets of the Kuiper Belt extremely logistically important. They would've been critical hubs for transit and trade, and likely would be a ridiculously potent first line of defense. Considering the resources available out there, odds are most major shipyards would be located in the Kuiper Belt, not further in-system.
There'd also be more research facilities out that way, both because of easier travel to interstellar destinations, and also less interference from the heavily developed inner system. On top of that, there'd be a lot less risk to everyone else if a lab somewhere goes BOOM out there.
The in universe explanation is that using warp in system can cause disruption to the sun.
The Battle of Sector 001 was broadcast in 1990, but the first direct evidence for the Kuiper Belt was not discovered until 1992. At the time of broadcast, Pluto was generally believed to be a lone outpost with zero nearby resources. Imagine if Hawaii was used, not just as a forward base, but as America’s primary or even only military defense, with no shipyards or military bases in California. Defense in depth is a classic for a reason.
Actually a better example would be, imagine if Nazis from Antarctica were sending flying saucers to attack the United States, and all our military defenses were sited on Easter Island. The Glocken could have easily bypassed the tiny little outpost and headed for the main target.
@@isaackellogg3493 And? That's still over 30 years where they could've made a perfectly reasonable and necessary retcon, and didn't.
Besides, it still doesn't change the fact that they mostly ignore their in-system warp rules whenever convenient, among plenty of others. It's still bad writing.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 absolutely!
Thanks for thisalways nice to here how the solar system grew in differnt settings! Maybe this could be a serires doing overveiws on differnt Sci-fis takes on our system.
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*September, but otherwise yeah!
Sometimes I'm disappointed there isn't more stuff like Dyson swarms and orbital habitats in the Trek universe. They pop up too infrequently.
and Orbital Lifts and such Stuff, but in an Universe where teleportation is possible and easy or getting up to orbital speeds is cheap, it does not really make sense to have such an project outside that one VOY Episode and what ever reason they used to include an orbital lift
Two issues about orbital L-5 type space habitats. One being that perhaps most humans just wouldn't feel safe living full time in one - just like a life at sea isn't for most people. The other issue is that there appear to be a lot of human habitable worlds nearby and with warp drive, it's easier to colonize one that build a miles long space habitat.
Dyson swarms take thousands or millions of years to build and populate.
@@isaackellogg3493 I'd disagree on two points. First it doesn't matter how long it might actually take. It's how long the special effects crew can put together what the writers cooked up.
Second, there's no set size for a Dyson Swarm. It wouldn't be a set size and could grow and shrink over time based on need.
I doubt it would take thousands of years either to build a decent size Swarm. Once you have heavy industries in space it becomes much easier to build megaprojects in space. You could reasonably setup multiple factories pumping out orbital habitats at a increasing rate. That's with reasonable projections of current real world technology out by say a hundred years?
Population growth is harder to predict as that can change over time. Growth rates are dropping in developed countries but we can't assume that would stay true in a future, though I could agree that may be the most reasonable limitation on a Dyson Swarm.
But the writers don't have to worry about it.
Great you are now telling when is info from alternative timeline (s)!
Thats great, I understand you want to make broad video but its important to make clear which is from which timeline!!
Canonical, Earth has at least two additional shipyards with the Oakland Yard and the Marin County Yard (which could be surface bases of the San Francisco shipyards). Luna is listed with three shipyards, the Luna Yard, the Copernicus Yard and Tranquility Base.
I keep wondering if The Doctor's mobile emitter was confiscated when Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant
(Ric here on other account) Here you go! ua-cam.com/video/tCf3-36_YFY/v-deo.html
I imagine there was a protracted legal battle over that. Questions of who owns it, whether it should be given to the Department of Temporal Investigations, even whether he is an individual who can own property. Since this constitutes a quality of life issue, the issue would probably be re-opened after the events of "Author, Author."
@@irregularassassin6380 Wasn't the question if an artificial life form an individual with all of the rights thereof determined in the TNG episode Measure of a Man or does that only apply to androids?
The same is true for Data's daughter Lal as well as the androids in ST Picard season 1
By extension, these same rights SHOULD apply to The Doctor as well as he was determined to have certain rights in Author, Author
MoaM should've determined it in 1989 but I guess they forgot that episode when Voyager filmed Author Author in 2001
@@dragonweyr44 I believe the hearing in "Measure of a Man" was specific to Data's right to self-determination, and whether or not he was property. The JAG officer's final statements discuss only him.
I think "Author Author" was pointing out that the real matter at hand, are manufactured artificial life-forms individuals, with the same rights as other life-forms, was never truly settled.
@@irregularassassin6380 The determination of the judge in Author, Author was that HE, himself, couldn't rule if The Doctor was a living, sentient being or not. That would have to be the ruling of a different judge in a different court to determine. But he DID declare him to be the author of the holonovel "Photons Be Free" and had all the rights thereof
The Federation has fusion reactors, meaning power is available everywhere at a trivial cost. The Federation has replicators which turns power directly into air, water, and food. So why would any facility need "tillable" land to be self sufficient? All you really need is hydrogen, and hydrogen is everywhere.
Sometimes, the Star Trek tech is a little "over the top". As far as I know, the replicator cant create complicated molecules or special alloys. And the food generally tastes boring...
"This addition was caused by a mistake behind the scenes, but it's there now"
You just summed up the entire Kurtzman era
"So I did" 🤣🤣 I love your dry humor
I think you had just reached Jupiter when I began to think, "I'll bet no one had the guts to put something on or close to Uranus..." LOL
Pluto's Moon, Charon was also the site of the final battle of the Earth Romulan War.
Have you considered using the old FASA Star Trek RPG as source material for trek universe lore? I had bought nearly all the sourcebooks and briefly dabbled in running a few games. I remember from its timeline that Pluto had a research station and an artifact sourced to an Orion merchant ship caused an outbreak of a disease there. That would have made an interesting episode.
Learning about Astronomy according to Star Trek.
How could humanity have managed a crewed Mars mission *after* the start of the Third World War? And Picard's Europa mission is placed even earlier than that -- you'd think Mars would be reached before Jupiter's moons. I think Star Trek really needs to sort out its timelines.
I think it's hilarious that Section 31 stores their timey-whimy stuff on Eris -- the dwarf planet named after the Goddess of Discord.
You have rich dudes sending their faux "members" up into low Earth orbit now. I could see someone funding something either in desperation or self-interest to go to Mars.
Also today there's talk of NASA going to Uranus at the same time as other Mars missions and such. In our RL these missions change all the time as priorities shift around.
You could also look at it as the very poor record keeping in the run up, aftermath, and post WWIII period in Trek as well.
Also keep in mind that Star Trek's timeline is a bit ahead of ours technologically. They had fusion power in the 1990s.
Ah yes, all those colonies and cities on the moon that *Star Trek has yet to actually show us when we see the moon.* :-)
Star base one was a mistake yes . Barengeria is star base one .
It's a shame they couldnt get, you know, someone familiar with Trek lore involved with writing or production...
@@flatline8580 yes , but i think they actually do employ a panel of lore experts that the writers ignore or dont consult apparently, i saw something from one saying he told a particular writer something was lore breaking and was ignored.
Cheers rick
To me it seems more plausible to have giant replicator ships then fleet yards.
When they can replicate certain pieces and then slowly put it together by hand in space that would time and effort cuz they wouldn't have to build scaffolding or be affected by gravity when they're building
Use the transporter to beam the pieces into place. That’s obviously how the ginormoville station was built in Star Trek: Beyond.
The Uranus comment made this totally worth the watch. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Regarding our Solar System and Star Trek - According to legend, there is a planet closer to the sun than Mercury - planet Vulcan. (No, not Spock's planet, that is The Vulcan.) Maybe planet Vulcan once existed, but got destroyed due to the sun's gravity.
I still play Birth of the Federation :P
Earth, mars and Jupiter station are museums in the 51st century.
You're missing Jupiter Mining Corporation. Who, despite being from Red Dwarf, canonically exist in the trek universe according to the Promenade information signs.
Its amazing that voyager picked 2032 for the date of ares 4. All these years later we’re tracking for real ares missions around the same time
Uranus, has so much potential.
the NX Refit may not be apocryphal any more! Young Picard had a model of one!
Where was the communication's station that was destroyed by Vieger in the first movie?
In the Three Body Problem books Pluto is also home to the archives of Earth.
Pluto IS a planet...Jerry Smith said so! Also I would think that the Jovian planets would provide raw matter for the various shipyards.
The novels had Pluto and its moons absorbed by a Borg supercube.
Regarding many people wouldn't want to admit to having worked on Uranus - As with Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune, it would just be on its moons. I only first came across that satire meaning of Uranus when I saw that movie "E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial" in 1982, when I was 18. I thought that it was being immature. Someone in later years said that it's fear. Anyway, I had always pronounced it as 'U-Ranus'.
What I liked about the bit on Mars was that visitors had visited the planet before the first manned mission - Ares IV - well that got my mind going back to the Prothean ruins on Mars in Mass Effect, lol, to me this could be a small tie in that it may have been Protheans that had visited the planet, and wel their intergalactic knowledge is being held by I dont know, say Section 31, just a wild assuption I know.
Were there facilities or star bases listed for the various La Grange points?
Do you have a video on McKinley station???
You know, when you think about the various threats and activities that the Federation and Starfleet get into, HQ really should be a deep space station or around an uninhabitable solar system. Placing it at earth just paints a big fucking target.
Is that background music "Pegasus" from battlestar galactica
Incidentally, ever since First Contact, it was renamed The Terran System.
_"Unranus had nothing I could find"_ lol, not true, they have a patrol ship called the USS Charmin searching around Uranus looking for Klingons.
What!?! No mention of the Mars Defense Perimeter? I was hoping for a good laugh at it!
I always thought we knew surprisingly little about earth and it politics.
Love the video. Could you do a video like this for Halo?
2069? Nice
According to the book "Before Dishonor" and Memory Beta, Pluto was destroyed by the Borg in the 24th century.
Excellent video.
As always.
The asteroid belt has a colony I wonder if they call themselves belters. 😀
I think we recently found out that Pluto does actually have geological activity.
“Whoops”
- the United federation
That’s just because of the increased solar activity during our era. By the 2200’s or 2300’s Pluto will have calmed back down. Increased solar activity caused the Marianas-Taiwan earthquake last week, though only a few scientists noticed it.
@@isaackellogg3493 You know that the sun is only BARELY visibly from Pluto. The sun's gravity influences it so little that it doesn't even have a proper orbit.
Sorry, but an EARTHquake isn't reasonable evidence of anything happening anywhere that far away.
@@thejarredhog3936 Solar particle forcing results from CMEs. The particles have nothing to stop them between Sol and Pluto. Solar activity has been ramping up dramatically in the past fifteen years or so as the end of this cycle and the beginning of the next approaches.
@@isaackellogg3493 Even if the chances of any of those particles hitting Pluto weren't infintesemal (however you spell it), it's gonna take alot more than little particles to cause geological activity.
No. Either Pluto's core has reactive elements, or more likely, it got hit by something and were seeing an energy release.
Pluto being a planet or not is still fully debatable, but New Horizons confirmed Pluto does have active geology or whatever the correct term might be... it's cryo-geology that we don't have here on Earth.
Well, there are a group of people trying to reclassify the definition of "planet" in such a way that even the moon would be considered one if they had their way. While I can see some of the points they bring up, I'm still not sure I like the idea of Pluto being a planet again.
@@goldenknight578 When the current definition means not even the Earth is considered one if one is objective... you have problems!
@@kc0itf Right now, the biggest thing that prevents Pluto from being a planet is that it doesn't clear its orbital path; whereas, Earth and the other planets do (for the most part). With what's being proposed right now, about the only thing that wouldn't be a planet would be the sun, and I'm not certain about even that.
@@goldenknight578 i saw ages Ago on Twitter 3 Maps with the Orbit of i think Earth, Jupiter and Pluto and the objects that are also on that orbit, gues what Solar Body got the most dots ...
In the End i would say, the majority of people only want Pluto as a Planet for sentimental reasons and not scientific ones and THEN we would also need many more Planets, like Ceres, which "was longer" a Planet than Pluto but People who advocate on Ceres for sentimental reasons are long dead now
I don't understand the notion that Pluto being a dwarf PLANET means it is not a planet. That's like saying that Jupiter isn't a planet because it's a gas giant. It's just a different type of planet.
The important thing to remember about Pluto's 'declassification' is that... no one in authority actually decided this. A group of astronemers met and decided it- they did not represent all astronomers, the idea was not uncontestested; it's a major propaganda victory that the idea gained widespread acceptance, but the actual objective reality is far from settled. :-)
(To make an analogy- assume I were to convene a gathering of 400 astronomers, out of all the astronomers existent on Earth, and convince them all to vote that the gas giants are no longer planets because they don't have solid surfaces that we can see, and then they go and announce these guidelines as the new reality o the solar system. Would science have actually been conducted at that meeting? No, just a group of people gathering to make a silly decision based on a very arbitrary criteria.)
The idea that a planet needs to 'clear its neighborhood' to be a planet is not really a scientific fact- it's an arbitrary definition. I'd rather we were educating people about all the planets in the solar system- solid Earth-sized, gas-giants, 'dwarfs', (including Ceres and the other Kuyper belt dwarf planets, alongside Pluto) than pretending a series of terrestrial bodies in our solar system with their own orbits and moons just... aren't there, or aren't worth mentioning, because a someone arbitrarily appended the word 'dwarf' in front of them, which is what most educational materials I've seen seem to be doing- ignoring their existence entirely.
I spent a little bit of time on the Moonbase in the 80s. It was okay if you didn't mind that the purple wigs itched.
Damn your good
star base 1 was a mistake? I just figured it was around some previously unidentified planet in the sol system
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