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Chicago Palm Protector Pistols
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2014
- "The Protector" was a very discreet palm pistol developed in the late 1800s by a French inventor, produced in bulk by the Ames Sword Company, and sold by the Chicago Firearms Company. They are mechanically double-action turret revolvers with a unique grip design meant to be to be fired by squeezing. The first few were made in France by the original inventor, and later licensed to an Irish-American who sold them through first the Minneapolis Firearms Company and later the Chicago Firearms Company. Most are in an extra-short .32 caliber rimfire cartridge, but a few were also made in both .41 and .22 calibers.
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I think they should have painted the barrel white, to resemble a cigarette. Then it wouldn't look odd when poking out between the fingers.
dumptuck The idea was, that this was carried in a coat pocket, by a Gentleman, or a Lady. As a discreet self-defense weapon. Not as something you would carry openly.
Besides, it would be to big around, and would stand out.
Googlesux Bigtime Well then, make it brown, like a cigar.
You could hollow cigar out a little and slide it over the barrel
@@Drapnoodle Talk about a strong cigar!
Would look quite natural with smoke curling out of the end of it... :)
I would love to see a modern reproduction of this in .22 and possibly .380. A nice alternative to the NAA mini-revolver.
50 BMG version when?
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Conceal carry for an A-10?
Far too sneaky for the gubbermint to ever allow today sadly
@@themeddite2935 that'd be way bigger than your palm lol
@@billiejeanthejellybean2536 Thats why I'm here, I want my hand to be broken, that way I get to see my robber at the hospital too.
So, two potential features I noticed. First, the on the French one, I noticed that with the safety engaged, you could still cock the weapon partially, as pointed out. It appeared to be just enough to allow the weapon to be put on safe and then facilitate the safe removal of the cylinder as the amount it could still be cocked was enough for the hammer to clear the cylinder. Intelligent!
Now, with the Chicago, the tab on the front that prevented the cylinder from indexing should actually operate like a grip safety. With out the cylinder being able to index, it should prevent the trigger from being squeezed any further as well, therefore preventing firing, until the lever was compressed. I would imagine that to be the purpose of that tab as it didn't appear to have any other manual safeties. A simple design, but also very intelligent! Thank you for sharing! I love seeing the old and odd weapons!
These little pistols show up all the time on lists of weird guns on TV and in other places, but I don't think I've ever actually seen one taken apart and explained in detail on camera. Great video, I didn't realize how relatively simple these are internally. I wonder how they shoot.
There is a scene in the beginning of a Steven Seagal movie where he takes a palm pistol apart and puts it back together. Like you, I've seen them in lots of old magazine articles and such. I really didn't know they had made that many of them.
slowpokebr549 I did read a book on guns and saw the lemon squeezer or the Iver Johnson gun and didn't think much about them
Yeah,I always wondered what the hell that was he was putting together in that scene.I'd never seen them before,I thought it was some kind of tool.
Jarrett Wisener Okay I have seen these kinds of guns in a book before and didn't think much about them
slowpokebr549 I think that movie was Marked for Death
Probably one of the most interesting forgotten weapons on the channel. I just love the design on the pistol and how small it is.
There's a pistol in Timeshift that has a turret style magazine, and ever since I saw that I wondered if there were any real-world firearms that used a similar design. Glad to know there is something that uses this really cool mechanism.
I didn't know anything about these, was amazed to find they are revolvers! They're so small I assumed they were just single shot. Very intricate.
You could put brass knuckles on that and beat someone while simultaneously shooting them.
"Apache knuckles"
"gun fu"
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Why didn't it catch on? seems pretty much perfect for a small concealed gun. holds a lot of ammo for a small concealed gun. not many moving parts so I assume it's pretty reliable.
+eyy lmao Largely because it was limited to a quite weak cartridge and was impossible to aim at any distance.
+Forgotten Weapons Is the 22 centerfire cartridge and specially the 32 rimfire THAT weak? I mean, i reckon these guns were made for really close range situations. And most important, were there really a lot of options of concealed guns that could compete with those ones? Thank you for your videos, they are all great!
+eyy lmao besides, reloading this one is kinda bitch. you need to manually extract and load all cartridges, unlike classical revolver which, unless it's a welded sideloader, has loading drum holders.
+eyy lmao Small Marketability.
+eyy lmao This weapon had somewhat limited appeal. Low accuracy, low stopping power. Only conceivable to be used in very close combat where you want a weapon slightly more effective than your own fists, depending on how crap you are at fighting. This would be good in maybe scaring off muggers, or gamblers who had a wide variety of eccentric concealable weapons. If you're going into a situation where you're going to need a gun, most people would just bring a reliable common revolver, not this gadget.
I would actually consider carrying one of these if you could get a modern one, and/or if concealed carry was legal where I am. that's a really cool design & I was shocked at how much they hold
Just want to say that I love your videos. Very clear, straight to the point, well researched, no unverified bullshit and the video and audio quality is great.
A+ stuff!
I love how many things hes made that I havent gotten to yet. I dont purposely trawl through his videos, so all the time random interesting stuff pops up when I want something new and its great. even from back in 2014!
Watching these is like going on a time traveling through guns. Love it!
Nice to see the original French model.
Thanks for this.
What a wonderful, little gun. And the French one is just beautiful.
This is one of the coolest pieces you have ever reviewed, Ian. Very nice.
I've known about this gun for a very long time, and I've always loved seeing videos about it... there aren't a whole lot.
Chicago PD museum used to have one. Saw it when I was like 10 in the 70s
I dated a girl in college and our first date was on July 4 in the late 90s. She said I needed to meet her parents before we went out, which I did. Her dad was a Cook County (Chicago) sheriff’s deputy. A few minutes after I met him, he said “I want to show you something.” We go to the driveway near the street, and he unwraps one of these palm pistols from a red handkerchief. People throughout the neighborhood were shooting off fireworks, so it was pretty loud, but he fired two shots into the air, after which, he turned to me, put his hand on my shoulder, and said “take care of my daughter.”
Wow, that's a way more elegant design than I was expecting!
Someone should really make these again. Great for a backup gun, apendix carry, ankle carry, just about perfect to deal with muggers too.
Never heard of these guns before, I regret not finding out earlier.
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What an amazing piece of History thank you Ian
Been watching these for a few years. Never noticed I wasnt subscribed
Love it... especially the mechanism.
Amazing designs, small, yet practical.
I've seen tons of these especially at the Reno gun show. I was lucky enough to grow up around some of the top gun and civil war sword experts in the nation. Use to have to lug shit like this in when we set up
Amazing little thing.. never heard of the ´22CF though. thanks for posting !
Those look so cool, I really need one for the collection
probably mentioned plenty of times already in the intervening years, but I just noticed. it seems like the safety allows you to cock the gun exactly far enough to get the cylinder out. that's very neat. 'you need to cock the gun to load/unload it' on a doubleaction is perhaps a little... risky? but a safety that lets you do that just far enough is a very clean solution
Looks like a grinder...follow up idea, grinder guns?
10/10 idea
Me: That's the weirdest gun I've ever seen.
Ian: Hold my beer, this is about to get serious.
Love to see this one shot. I understand why you don't/can't but it would be awesome. Very cool concept.
Thanks for the neat showing!
Amazing engineering
this is so cool. I totally thought it was a single shot device from the first look. They should definitely bring this back.
Remember this in Marked For Death (1990).
The way these fit in the hand, and firing such light rounds, I'd imagine the felt recoil is virtually non-existent.
All your stuff is cool but dang this and the clock spring French police gun are my favorite. Pretty stinkin interesting! Thanks for sharing
i really like that gun, it looks fancy as fuck and the mechanics of it are astounding.
it doesnt even look like a gun. it looks like a pocket watch or something
CaptainSkelebones That may have been part of the idea, idk but what i do know is that i like it.
It looks like bureaux press pistol
Imagine one of these with a clock face on one side massing it double as a pocket watch. The ultimate gentleman's accessory.
So cool. Would love to have one of these!
I've fired one of these and suprisingly they are accurate up to 25-30 meters give or take 5 cm from where you aim.
Still for being such a small gun i find these to be quite fun to fire as you don't have the barrel weight in mind.
Which caliber was the gun you shot? - They are most interesting.
I've wanted one of these for kicks since seeing them in the Dorling Kindersley books as a kid.
These are really cool. I’d like to see a modern manufacturer make some.
always interests me old curio guns like this
If I were heavily into collecting antique firearms, these would be a must have.
Thank's Ian .
Those are really cool pistols.
You do such a bang up job that when you correct yourself I feel like you don't even have to.
I have the Chicago palm pistol but mine has the black plastic not the mother of pearl sides. I did a review and close up video if anyone wants to check it out. Palm pistol I'd love to do a shooting video but the .32 rimfire extra-short black powder ammo is impossible to find. Such a cool gun.
When I was kid there was a comics story here in Czech Republic in the most popular magazine for teens .. ABC .. it was about mysterious murderer using this very weapon. The comics was called 'Shooting hand' .. it was just few pages, but it was so cool. Some other small weapons and even pepperbox revolver also showed up in the story. I didn't know it's based on real weapon, even produced in such numbers !
Here I could find one page online .. not sure how long it will stay there .. www.komiksbazar.cz/inzeraty/472/1_big.jpg
I have seen something like this in an old western. I think it was one of the Sebata movies.
I'm quite surprised no company has picked this design up, especially with the recent surge in concealed / compact handgun demand.
The cylinder rotate lock also is effectively a safety. Could probably get the size down to regular pocket watch if in .22 short? More practical than a "pen gun".
dude nice new intro!
This is one of the guns Sabata uses to take down a bunch of guys.
When I hear that song Leroy Brown for some reason I imagine the ".32 gun in his pocket for fun" is one of these squeezers. What could be more fun than a .32 squeezer?
not a bad design at all!
Thanks. Very interesting.
just a heads up, RIA has their own youtube channel with some pretty neat videos on it. if you're here watching this then there's a good chance you'd like it
Don't go there, or read the catalog. It's the devil I tell ya, making me wanna spend money. Resist temptation, watch some cat videos or something instead.
This is a Geniously diabolic device. Fantastic.
I know that no one would make these kinds but if they were to release reproductions of these 3 models I would try to get some but when I turn 21 and if they do that when I do which is a few years away but it would be cool to have not only some originals but also some reproductions of these 3 designs.
always liked these little jewels.
I want this gun in the next Assassins Creed)
Speaking of that, if a small bayonette blade was added you could both fire and stab at enemies.
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interesting little gun, .love the video
Really cool.
I'd think it would be better if the lid was hinged on and had a dial that sat flush in it to unlatch it (with shallow finger depressions for turning it).
I'm honestly surprised nobody's revived the concept since these original 19thC examples.
Loved the video Ian!
Just wondering, were you holding the pistol upside down?
Because it seems more logical for the gun to be placed in your hand with the pivoting-point for the 'handle' facing down, which allows for the 'handle' to fit the shape of your hand better.
very well done videos. you good :)
Awesome
Very interesting.
reminds me of a time piece. heh.. very cool to see one of these up close.. iv only seen one on the history of the gun episodes.. and it did not do as a good of a job to explain the gun. i guess in fear of someone making one.. as they would not even tell you the ingredients of gun power which is so well known i thought it was stupid they block that out on the history Chanel. to bad the history Chanel no longer does history.. just stupid pawn shop this or picker that.. blah.. we want our history Chanel back. thank goodness for the inter-web. peace.
Thus video deserves a like just for that intro music
Useful! perfect at close combat
what i have learned from your channel: the french may can not build a good car, but they have for shure build some fine guns.
haha i'm from germany, i would never admit that peugot build some cool rally cars in the past...
+lokdabest renault hat auch mit die ersten panzer gebaut ....*hust*
ich find das design und die idee cool ...9 oder 10 schuss is ne menge und besser oder schlechter als ein derringer is das ding allemal , und ne 22er aus nem meter in den wanst ...der tag is gelaufen .
its a nice design , 9 or 10 rounds is quite a lot , and there is no real difference to a derringer in accuracy and power ...so i prefer this one because of more rounds .
and a 22 at point blank range in the guts ....your day is just fucked up.
The 1970s Citröen's are better made than almost any car their size today.
*Ezio Auditore da Firenze wants to know your location*
Neat little piece! Eerily similar to the AC gun, but then they had to draw inspiration from somewhere....
I've always wondered how those worked! (I saw one in a Georgia pawnshop, but didn't get it. It looked like the Chicago version, I wonder how it ended up there)
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it might be an AOW, yeah. I think palm pistols are listed by name.
They definitely wanted to control the ammo sale's. In .22lr or 38 S&W short they would still be somewhat viable today.
i read in a book somewhere, these pistols were referred to colloquially in their day as a "lemon squeezer pistol"
A handy little piece ...
these things were bad ass.
Steven seagal had one in marked for death. First time I saw one
I am leaving a comment to show my appreciation.
This may sound crazy, but hear me out: this gun would be just as effective using BLANKS.
Blanks are scary, but relatively safe at distance and you could make a potentially fatal contact shot in dire circumstance.
That "Out for Justice" pistol would greatly benefit by updating it to use case-less ammo.
Hum, I wonder if you can make .22 center fire out of a .22 rim fire case. I should get the specs sometime and give it a try...even though I have no firearm it would work with, haha.
idk why but i just get the impression that your supposed to hold those the opposite way he does so the trigger looks more like a hammer seems like itd be comfier in your hand that way
I'd like to see that .22 centerfire cartridge...5" barrel + .22TCM = Winning.
These look like they are for punching people, they are shaped a bit like an Apache thorn punch but the gun barrel is the "thorn" and the DA trigger is a palm support that touches off when you punch. This is at least how I see these being used.
They used to display a couple at the St. Louis police department hq.
I don't understand how you're supposed to load the bullets in the cylinders of these. I imagine you'd have to slide them in from the inner side, but do you have enough room to do that?
I love those little lemon squeezers!
Oui oui ingenious.
4:50 wouldn't it be more practical if you fliped it? it would fit the hand better and you could operate the safety with the thumb.
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That's really cool, actually.