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I bought a Star BM just for the hell of it for $200. My friend fell in love with the handgun, canceled buying a new AR and bought 3 Stars. Fantastic shooting handgun
I absolutely love the little Star pistols, but there is something to be aware of with them. Their firing pins are prone to breakage from too much dry fire due to a sharp shoulder machined in the pins of some models making for a shear point. Try to use a snap cap when dry firing, because there are virtually no replacement parts left for these pistols at all. The last time one of my clients broke a pin, we had to have a machinist make a new one. Best to avoid that expense if possible. Cheers!
Tom Crawford I was thinking about buying a star pistol just to have something reliable in the house. Now that you’ve said that I’m thinking twice about the buy🤦🏽♂️
@@petedavis1040 You will probably be fine with the Star if you treat it like a rimfire in terms of dry fire and only do it with a snap cap. It is a shame there are no parts left, because these are really cool little pistols. I don't know exactly how widespread the problem is except to say that I've replaced four for people over the last 20 years or so, and they were all "gun guys" who I know were dry firing a lot for practice.
Tom Crawford Understood, just the issue with sourcing replacement parts seems like something that would sway others the opposite way. Just looking for a cheap and reliable nine to keep around the home that my wife can use in case of anything.
@@petedavis1040 I teach quite a few firearms classes for women, and two favorites stand out when they select the pistols they like from the training guns I have available. These would be the S&W Shield in 9mm and also the Walther PPS M2. Either of these is in the same size class as the Star, much lighter, similar capacity, and are not single action designs where a hammer has to be managed. Both have slim grip widths and can be had brand new for under $350 if you watch for sales. There are also plenty of used Shields on the market but not many Walthers.
In this class of firearm, the slim 9mm, I own these two, the Kahr P9 and K9, the Glock 43, and the Springfield XDS for use in training. Results with all of them are very similar, but the ladies seem to enjoy the Smith and the Walther the most. The polymer Kahr and the Glock 43 are more popular with male students but the women report that they "kick too much" because if anything they are a bit too small and light for good comfort for a novice shooter. Many also like my ancient Glock 26, my personal carry gun, but that is a bit more expensive, even used, than the Star. If you are willing to drop down to a .380 (many are not), the number one favorite pistol of all my female students is my Glock 42. It is a very "soft shooter" and I bought mine new for $330. Good luck with your choice!
Great info Tom. I'm shopping for a female friendly edc right now. God Bless@@PPISAFETY
I have the Beretta 92S and I absolutely love it, I had a trigger job done to it and new LOK Grips added to it
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Is the 92s a viable option for competition shooting??? IPSC/ IDPA
LukeKimStories it shoots like a regular 92fs but the sight are low.
I got a Bulgarian Makarov about 5 months ago and I love it I ordered it with extra magazines and I got the whole package for $310 unissued
Do you remember which vendor you got it from?
@@epickett63 classicfirearms.com
That place is dangerous! They make it TOO easy to spend bunches of money there... :-)
@@epickett63 I almost bought a vepr and a tt-33
Good lord I remember when they were 100 to 150. Still a good deal though for now days.
I just bought a Star BM9. I have not shot it yet. i also ordered a sales package that came with a pair of cocobolo wood grips (looks fantastic), extra magazine and a holster. ~ $95.00 delivered.
Who has extra mags for star BM
Bought a Russian Makarov some ten to twelve years ago for $174, in the original box with extra mags. Used it for my first three years with a concealed carry permit in an Alien gear IWB holster.
I bought one of those STAR BM 9mm and it is very nice. I also bought two extra 8 round magazines with it. Very nice, very easy to take down and clean, and very good shooter! Compact and will fit in most 1911 Commander holsters. Great deal from Classic Firearms for $200 plus two extra magazines!!! But I don't like the Beretta 9MM because of the flip up instead of down thumb safety. I am used to flip down and flip up is confusing if you have two guns that are different!!!! D. C. GUNSMITH and veteran of U.S. ARMY 69-71
I bought a Bulgarian Makarov for $250 that is like new! I have the arsenal record for it and the gun had only been fired 5 times ! I also bought the M88 brand new for $199.
You should mention the Polish P83. It is a very good gun. It is accurate and easy to shoot. It is also in 9 mm Makarov (9x18).
You have taught me a lot about these foreign imports, I normally prefer revolvers but after watching your video I am considering looking into this very reliable market. Thank you so much
Star BM rules. P 64 's are cool too.This is all good advice.
So cool to think of the history behind these surplus guns. Who carried them, what were their stories, how many bad guys did they put down? I think it's cool anyway, maybe it's just me.
You guys really don't know how good you have it don't ever let "them" change things
Gun enthusiasts are the nicest and most responsible people you will ever meet!Sometimes I think that the "George Soros spam bots" try to make us look mean and childish in the comments? The comment section do not reflect the kindness I have experienced in this community. Maybe I'm just a "Right-Wing Conspiracy Nut"? lol. Let's just all remember to be on our best behavior, since our public image is on the line.
Star BM is a reliable, accurate and inexpensive 9mm pistol, mine was $149. Though it kind of resembles a 1911, is not a 1911 no grip safety, trigger is hinged and swings up it does not plunge straight back like a 1911, etc. None the less, I enjoy mine.
I got an m88a a while back in almost mint condition, one of my favorite pistols to shoot
Thanks for sharing Chris. I already have three out of your five picks. I just got into the surplus market this year and I have to tell you it's very addicting. #Never enough money.
I had 3 out of 5 also. Cool vid.
As of 6-14-19, I have a CZ 38, CZ 50, CZ 52, CZ 70, CZ82, 1979 Bulgarian Mak, 1960 East German Mak, 1969 Polish Radom P64, Yugo Zastava M57, and tomorrow picking up a Zastava M70. Could you say I'm into collecting milsurp? They are all facinating, it's the history behind them that so drives me to collect them! Have had my eye on a Beretta 92S from Classic Firearms, just have not "pulled the trigger" yet. I do have a Beretta Nano for concealed carry which, for me, has been flawless at the range, am thinking I should add a full size Beretta to my collection! Thanks for your thoughts here!
You didn't discuss safeties, even seeming to hide them. I guess they must have them (autos) to be imported.
J&G Sales currently has the Star BM 9mm " G " grade selling for $179.99.
The salesman I spoke to on the phone last week sort of implied these were
" G " grade and they were getting to the low end G grades.
It could be he was trying to up sell me to the " G-VG " grade which was $219.99.
I don't mind holster wear but I don't want one that is shot out.
I am still saving to buy one.
I have the Bulgarian Makarov (have a Commercial Russian double stack also), the M-57, and the Star BM...great guns! The Star BM is the nicest shooting, IMHO.
I just bought a Star BM 9mm for $176.00 that included shipping. Awesome gun shoots very well.
Thats an awesome deal. I paid $179 + shipping +transfer fee for mine. Came out to about $225. Still a great deal.
@@x.adam1 Sorry I didn't add my transfer fee my transfer fee was $30 so the total came to $206.00
Was that from j&g sales?
razor24 actual I purchased mine from Classic Firearms.
@@razor24actual14 yes
I have 4 of your 5 so feeling good. Great video.
Just grabbed a star this week actually, it's a nice shooter for sure
Lee Holmes yeah I bought a star, m92s, m57, and a vz-70. By far the star is my favorite to shoot.
always thought stars were barkers too much recoil for the calibre.
Maybe a little but so smooth and acurite .
Lee Holmes star is my ccw gun
I am very interested in buying a Star BM 9mm also. If you don't mind my asking, where did you buy yours and what grade was it?
I see J&G sales still has what they call " G " grade models for $179.99. However, the salesman told me on the phone these were
getting to be the lower end of the G scale. It could be he was trying to up sell me to what he called G-V grade for $219.99.
I don't mind some honest holster ware and some missing bluing as long as the gun is functional and shoots well.
Real good information. I have 2 star bm. Both very good condition. Also the baretta 92. Love all 3. Now I know not to sell them. One zastava m70. Also nice gun to hold on too. Thank you
I carry a Star BM stainless/nickel 9mm everyday for my CCW. Love it
Do you have a problem with the hammer bite? I took mine to the range for the first time, and I have a nice mark on my hand now.
forzared101 no I have not but it does dig into my stomach , just keep shooting and you’ll find a good grip bud
Love Toks and have a small collection. Cool thing is I scored a 9MM barrel and have it in a shooter grade Tok, so can shoot it anytime
*Why you should never use surplus pistols that are curios & relics for self-defense or CCW:*
1. The are usually worn out i.e. *metal fatigue* & could break at anytime.
2. The gun's *springs are usually weak* and replacement springs are either not made anymore or very expensive.
3. The problem with almost all curios & relics was that they *jammed* and were *unreliable* for many reasons.
4. New, modern reliable and more effective weapons are available and the same price or cheaper.
Note: For collecting no problem but I recommend investing in precious metals.
As a young guy trained as a machinist these guns are a low barrier to entry investment that I can basically guarantee myself returns on. That being said, I do plan on investing in gold after I get myself more established.
@@TheUnchosenOne Yes, you can make a little money on guns as investments that is why many,
many retirees get into buying and selling *firearms = low risk but also low returns.* It is also an interesting hobby though.
With precious metals - if you buy enough at low prices and wait a while (10 to 20 years) you will receive
almost guaranteed substantial profits.
*So go for it & God Bless.*
Have all of these. Concur with the list.
I'm looking to get m first gun. Are any of these still viable to buy?
YOU SHOULD MAKE THAT LIST IN YOUR DESCRIPTION.
Leman Russ then you wouldn't have to view
get a pen and make your own list
I think it would help him get more views, right? I was just thinking that his channel is very small, considering how great the content is!! I dunno? I thought maybe that's what he meant by saying he shold put the list in the description, so it would help the YT search algorithm? Either way, lets all play nice! All this bickering doesn't help our public image as gun enthusiasts.
innerviews897 that's not how that works dimbass
Well said!
I live in indiana and work for westfield steel... Small world
kody vanatti I live in Westfield as well. I was so surprised when I saw his 1911 video and was like “Hey, I know this guy”.
Here in Eastern Europe Soviet Makarov's goes for around 120 - 150 Bucks. And cheap knock off's like IZH-70 Baikal's are as low as 60-70 bucks. If only there would be a way for us to export them to USA...
Dismantle all federal governments
@Mark Lein
You're cute😘
@Mark Lein
You wish.
@Mark Lein
Haha, are you twelve?
The problem is that while domestically-produced guns flow like water here we have some strange laws about importing firearms
How about the SAR K2 45 ACP? With 14 round magazine, adjustable for windage and elevation rear sight? Relatively cheap at about $300 and very accurate! If you put one in the chamber you have 15 rounds ready. I have one and love it. Very nice, shoots fantastically to point of aim at 15 yards after adjusting the rear sight. Easy to take down and clean!!! D.C. GUNSMITH and Veteran of U.S. ARMY 69-71
@ There are some very decent quality firearms coming out of Turkey today. I think that were you to include price point on the list of things that are important, they they would rank in the middle of the herd of guns sold to the average buyer. That of course is not to say that price should be the only criteria to buy a gun on, but if two guns are similar in every other respect, then that can be a tipping point.
I am looking for a handgun right now, but I have to decide the type before I can narrow it down to the right gun. Thus the reason I am looking at this video, which is very well done.
Yes, please make a list. Especially, the pocket pistols.
I bought the Star BM and the Super B. Really nice pistols. Looks like the 1911.
What would be a good surplus handgun that can be found in great condition, under $300, and uses cheap ammo?
Go for a star bm. They are actually getting cheaper (at least that's what I see on j&g sales) and like this guy said it's in 9mm
Alec Benedict I’ll consider it. I was looking at a Yugo m57 but 7.62x25 is nonexistent except for online.
Alec Benedict the only thing I have against the star is that I can’t find one that doesn’t have scuffs all over it
Very nice TY for sharing
That Star model is $180 on classicfirearms
Is that still the price today?
Shouldve mentioned the S&W model 10 police surplus revolvers. Any S&W at 250 to 300 bucks is an outstanding deal.
jango fettch S&W model 10 was my first handgun. I picked it up in 92. it still shoots like it was made yesterday.
@@FILLUP41017
I bought mine just the other day. It was made in 1979 I got a history report from S&W, it was used by officer jacques vallero in the French national police. It has an outstanding trigger. I gifted it to my father in law yesterday. He's an old timer who likes old revolvers.
Wrong.
Do you know what an "import" is?
jango fettch not really budget
Thank you, very informative
I have an early (4 digit) Tokarev that I bought NIB without looking. Unfortunately, I couldn't take it out and fire it for about 5 years so I never knew the absolutely horrible condition of the barrel. After putting several mags through it, I noticed that it had split the neck of every shell halfway down the side of the shell. Upon inspection, I found a barrel that looked like it had been poured cold, if you understand the reference. It looks like someone had dripped melted solder over a dowel. Where can I get a new barrel for it, as it's a certainty that the factory will blow me off as would the company that sold it to me. I can live without matching numbers (though I hate having to). I just can't trust this barrel not to blow up and I'd like to reload some shells with hollowpoints instead of Polish steel cores.
Try Numrich Gun Parts, or Bob's Gun Shop. One, or both, should have a barrel for your pistol.
I have a tokarev but it's not surplus it's a Zastava M57. I also have a Polish P-64 it's not a Makarov although it shoots Makarov ammo. Change the hammer spring and it's my favorite pistol now.
That was a nice video🔫👍
I bought a Bulgarian in ‘93 for $89! Still regret selling it.
Looking forward to the 2021 installment. :)
Beretta 85f is probably more expensive than any one of these handguns but it is worth every penny. I depend on it with my life.
Good video.... I personally have my eye on a few of these
Awesome selection!
9x18 is easily found for 9 to 10 bucks a box these days as long as you don't mind steel cased ammo for which there are no real negatives to shooting it in a 9x18 gun, they will eat it all and ask for more. Unless you're reloading, which I do occasionally for 9x18 but just like 7.62x25; they launch your brass a half mile! I get tired of hunting for it or trying to set up a tarp to catch it, so I usually just keep a good bit of steel cased around.
There are some CZ82's around right now and that would probably be in my top 3 to suggest people to buy, they will definitely go up a good bit once they are gone.
Great list, I have all of these except the 9x19 Yugo, but I do have two M57's.
hey man 219 represent Gary Indiana in the house boaaaaaa
A stones throw away...sloppy cincy here! Woot woot
i have half your list
TT-33 and a CZ52 (dont't know what i like better) stick with PPU ammo bought a bulk box never had any issues with ether one.
The star I have is chamber in 9mm Largo ( double check before buy I didn't) but is a Spanish air force gun, but having a hard time finding good price ammo.
the 92S I got for a steal $180 after tax at local gun store. a lot of holster ware but beautiful patina, but debating about replacing the spring on the trigger. has a bad habit of doing double shot with the current reset. still competes to my cousin Taurus P92 in size and weight.
The CZ 52 will wear out but I haven't seen a tt-33 that was worn out enough it would not work.
the TT-33 kept holding the mag(s) and not ejecting it bough two more (NOS) the base fell off both ( due to the age and poor construction) bought two newer one powder coated paint and resolve the issue mostly
the CZ 52 at the time that I bough TT-33 spare mags I pick up a few for the CZ both of the CZ Old and new mags work with no issues
@@TheNazo21 well I have been buying Tokarev and CZ 52 for thirty years now and never had a problem with a Tokarev. Actually had one with no safety added . It was very old and all I did for it was clean it. Worked flawlessly for years until I traded for a 8mm Hakum .
Sometime they do need adjustment to the lips on the magazine and maybe polish the feed ramp. That's about all I've ever really had to do to a Tokarev. The CZ 52 is another thing. I've completely rebuilt several of them. You can get stainless steel rollers and better spings nowadays. Barrel depends on what is wrong with it. They do tend to split . Never seen that on a Tokarev.
First time viewer an like your picks, now where to find them lol🤠🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Classic Firearms has 'em all
How about a top 6 Surplus rifles to buy?
I agree with this list 100%. Get em while the gettins good!!
Got a Norinco 213 for $190 in 9mm. It shoots very well, even for a Chinese copy. A little rough around the edges but what do you expect?
I'm glad I have all of those.
Great video!!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for pointing this out. I am definitely getting at least one of those Stars right away.
Knot a true makarov but I have the Hungarian PA 63 added a heavier recoil spring and no.9 trigger spring dropping trigger to about 4lb snow a fun gun to shoot
1911 are also available through the CMP
I love my ugly duckling Russian 1946 TT-33 found spare magazines for it and not a bad investment for 167.00 dollars ironically its the same price I paid for the SKS
The Tokarev is actually better than the CZ 52 because it needs little and very seldom brakes. The CZ 52 will wear out rollers and if you don't catch it you'll need a new barrel too. I have repair many of them over the years and tokarev is much better . It just like a Browning .
Love the shirt!😄👍🏻
Just remember the beretta will be replaced in the future by US surplus M9s, no idea when it will be replaced, should come around in the next 10 years, but if you miss the Italian models no real need to worry
that guy over there ... I wouldn’t expect surplus M9 pistols make into the market. For two reasons... firearm manufacturers will lobby to have them destroyed. Anti gun members of Congress will require they not be sold to the public
Excellent Subbed!
Wow my family lives in Westfield IN. Small world
Awesome
Great video
Just bought my star for $149 thing is so nice for the money
My star came with 2 different types of mags and its kinda jammy. Heard they have extraction issues but i think my issue was the weird mag. Didnt notice until after i had shot it that the follower on one of them was an entirely different shape
I considered a Beretta 92S but with my Walther P38, I chose a Browning Hi-Power instead. Having said that, one wasn't available in my price range so that item has been shelved for the moment. Got a CZ 75B Omega as a stopgap...
Being that I live in California I can only looks, dream and wish that I could buy a couple of those guns that I saw
I love you're videos, thank you sir !
are you gay or what.
Love your shirt
Great video, but Yugoslavia was not a satellite country
Man you do good videos 👌
Buying a star bm tomorrow great price I'm paying 179.99 can't be beat for the price ps don't ever dry fire this gun it will break the firing pin and buy a extra mag if you decide to buy one
That is a dope shirt
Yugo Zastava CZ99. My EDC :)
I have a TZ99 variant and I am on the lookout for a CZ99 for my collection. Great guns!
The first gun is a CZ model 70. VZ is short for Vzor, which means "model" in Czech. There is no brand name of VZ. There is a TZ brand, which are Tangfoglio of Italy guns, all copies originally, of CZ guns of questionable quality in the past.
Great video, keep it up.
Thanks! I really appreciate it and thanks for watching
On the Beretta magazine hole is called "Sand Cut" nowadays
Why is that ?
@@benjimenfranklin7650 on the military m-9 they're in Iraq & Afghanistan, Sandy as hell over ther. More the less it's desert like environment. Had to cut bottom of magazines so the sand wouldn't collect in magazine Hence - sandcut.
@@5shotsr611
Okay if you say so. Sounds ok. I thought Beretta fixed that sand problem with the new M-9 .
@@benjimenfranklin7650 that's one of the things they did. Now use Google it your friend.
@@5shotsr611 d
Good video
Must of been on classic firearms bc all these firearms are for sale there
I picked up a CZ70 for $175 a couple months ago
189 today for tokarevs on classicfirearms
How would one go about getting more mags for the Star??
Try Triple K
The vz.50 and vz.70 are CZ pistols (in other words it is a CZ vz.70....."vz" basically translates to "model", so CZ model 70).
The Polish Radom P64 Pistol was not liked by the Polish Soldiers and it was replaced fast by the P-83. Unpleasant recoil due to small and uncomfortable grip,
small magazine capacity, poor sights, short sight radius and heavy double-action trigger were reasons for the dislike.
Maybe the P64 is a collector but there are a lot of them out there & on the market. Inexpensive pistol for a reason.
*Warning:* DO NOT use any surplus weapon *for self-defense use.*
Things to think about:
- many have metal fatigue, weak/rusting springs and so their *hard to find, replacement* parts are needed. Do not shoot them much & use light loads.
- the value of these surplus pistols in the video basically go way down after you buy it. The only except are rare pistols.
- many of these old pistols are jam-o-matics. So if you are used to reliable firearms, you will have to learn to clear jams (especially the Star 1911 9mm clone).
- the pistols here will not be drying up anytime soon. You will be an old, old man if they dry up and make $100 USD on them if that.
*EDIT*
Personal note: I have bought Makarovs since the late 90's. They are going up in price but I don't think they are close to being gone. One source dries up, another opens.
Everywhere I have lived from Alaska to Florida there were Makarov for sale especially at gun shows.
Zastava M57 absolutely No1 gun.
I lived in that town for 3 years.
PPU makes 7.62x25 hollow points too
Liked everything you said.... surprised you did't show any German P-1 or P-38s? Also, very reliable and not to bad a price...?
thanks man!..i'm looking into doing a little mil-surp collecting soon...now i just need to come up with the cash :(
womp,womp,woooomp
That is always the problem lol. Thanks for watching!
What should I get? A Star BM or a Beretta 1951?
@marksmantv are you able to do a video with top milsurp rifles to buy this year🤘🤘🤘
Yes I concur
I will try and give that some thought. Problem is, there really arent any surplus rifles coming into the market right now :-/
would be nice to see the amo for each gun thanks
Did not like the sights on the beretta they are minimal
Own 3 of those.
*I forgot I live in Commiefornia, NONE of these are on the DOJ's list of approved handguns for CA :(*
They are c&r handguns. Any dealer can DROS these guns as C&R handgun
Does that DOJ stand for Department of Jackass’s?
Then leave and move a good state like Kentucky we enjoy our firearms
@@templar_east8835 I'm glad I did.
I don't know how true it is but I heard that about less than 10 years ago Makarovs were worth about $100
That may be true... Roughly 10 years ago, you could likely find Bulgarian Makarovs for $100-$200... The Russian and East German Maks had been, for the most part, extinct for more than 10 years (other than on the private market). Chinese Makarovs may have still been loosely available 10 years ago.
I should have bought these in 2018