A very controversial thing. On the one hand, it is a terrifying ritual, vile and vicious in its essence. On the other hand, in the days when your race will need extra warriors, such a ritual may seem like a gift of fate. But only on condition of the voluntary transfer of the skin from an already dying brother. A donation from five who will die anyway, in order to give new life to one. Or you can use the skins of those who in any case will be killed for belonging to the Wyrm, for example, the same Black Spirals. Although in this case you need to be very careful, for anything connected with the Wyrm is dangerous, be it alive, dead, or neither. As always, thanks for a great video. Very interesting and informative.
@@TheMapleTable I think it would be more correct to discuss this thing in advance. This should be a voluntary step, like organ donation for those in need of transplant. The consonant will have to give some kind of oath or permission, and in return receive some privileges. This will both properly satisfy the conditions of the ritual and will be respectful towards the donor.
I keep being surprised by how few even think of using defeated BSDs, even those already willing to risk Wyrm taint. You'd think the Get would go hard that way, but no...
Yo man I’m not gonna lie you’re one of the main reasons that I’ve gotten into werewolf the apocalypse. Your videos are great and frankly I’m shocked that your channel doesn’t have over 10,000 subs yet because your content is so good
Thanks so much! Im glad that I have inspired you to look into WtA. My channel is starting to get noticed now and growth is ramping up which is exciting.
Skin Dancers in my opinion are one of the most interesting things in world of darkness and a story i have with them is as so: my story teller wanted to involve a Skin Dancer but in a more fun and interesting way and so he created a Skin (skin dancer) Dancer... yep a weird name... we meet a Kin who hated the skin dancers so much that his only solution was to become one of them... and so he hunted a SD pack and turned himself into one. a weird story but it was fun lol
I am not surprised, they don't get a huge spot light but I guess they are supposed to be like a secret tribe or organization. That and they are dark even for a WoD game.
Its a really good horror game and setting and im only talking about it from the werewolf perspective. I haven't even touched on the vampires, mages, or the undeads perspective.
I had one as a PC at my table a few years back, who was born in an… Unsanctioned marriage between an Uktena Garou and a Get Kinfolk. Eventually the Get realized that the Uktena female had borne a child and they were fairly angered by the entire situation and attacked her pack with a similarly sized pack, only to be overtaken by a pack of BSD when everyone was either already dead or severely injured. The female Uktena was away from the area at the time, only to return to the scene of battle. Fraught with guilt and terror and a desire that her daughter right the wrongs that had happened, she took her pack’s(her family’s) skins, as well as her husband’s family’s(the Fenrir that had tried to deal retribution for imagined crimes) skins and used the Rite to make a skin-suit for her young daughter. Years later the daughter would be introduced to a Caern as a Lost Cub, her mother having succumbed to harano and dying as her medicine lodge burnt around her. I intend to reintroduce her as an NPCwhen my sons and their friends start playing WWtA in the future.
@@TheMapleTable Meta gaming, the players Know what that given character is capable of doing, but is it Legendary enough for their current characters know what just show up in game ? Over time I would turn my Sabbat characters into true monsters that even end up on the Sabbat Red List. When the gaming shop players have their new characters run into them, they just run for their lives. Kind of takes the fun out of it.
Its interesting how much "Alternative history" is explored through this Mythopoeia I played White Wolf games in my teens and early 20s; Late Nineties with "Elysium" events occurring in Toronto at places like the Zoo and Velvet Underground, but I've come back as a writer, historian & folklorist... and I gotta say, the people who crafted this mythos knew their stuff and had a mission.
@@TheMapleTable Yeah as someone who's studied comparative Mythologies and religions for 20 years, their origins on "Demons" And the role of "Lucifer" embodying that Apollo-Utu appearance as the "Illuminator" was pretty near perfect. "Stranger Things" also owes just as much to White Wolf as they do D&D
*Hold on, they would have to skin their targets alive to get their pelts. They revert back to their human forms upon death. This is way worse than you're making it out to be. They have to compel their target to stay in one form and somehow flay them alive, and presumably do so quicker than the target can regenerate. That has to be one of the worst fates one can suffer in the World of Darkness.*
Reading into it more, the person doing the ritual may have to use some form of magic to keep the pelt from... reverting back to human skin... once it's cut free from it's donor.
This would be a very involved and complicated ritual by the established lore in WoD. It seems like you would already have to be quite powerful or otherwise someone of extreme intellect to even have a chance of pulling this off (and rightly so). Were I to have a Skin Dancer in one of my games, it would probably be one of the most dangerous things my players could face. They should definitely be a cut above your "average" Garou.
They're more like the Skinwalkers of Werewolf the Apocalypse because like the Skin Dancers they can take skin from other and other transforms them into the animal they killed. That's one my thoughts of the Skin Dancers.
Well it's just a thought that's all I have think about them and the skinwalker made some appearances from the movies like the 2006 action horror movie Skinwalkers starting Rhona Mitra who played as Sonja in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. And the 2013 Skinwalker Ranch. Like the werewolves, they too are shapeshifters in the Navajo mythology.
I'm currently running an imbued hunter that found out he was kinfolk and through that knowledge has now become a Skin Dancer that's causing major problems for the players. Now he's not overpowered in the sense that he can't be overwhelmed by more than 2 players in a pack of 5 it's just that he's so devious and roguelike that the players absolutely hate & fear him. It's so strange that they could just all attack him at the same time and he'd not stand a chance. But the thought of what he is frightens the living crap out of them. _I gave him this sorta mumbo jumbo speech pattern where he goes on and on about the nature of reality and how he's only adding to the peacefulness by inhabiting the nature of the beast._
I don't think non normal humans (mages, revenants, kinfolk) can become imbued (though weirdly enough Dhampires can become imbued, it's only been mentioned once and never brought up again)
@@atomicash2475 Well yeah they can't! But when you've been playing for a long as I have you tend to let some things go if the right people are involved. Clearly, I usually go by the rules but when you've been playing with people for over a decade it can get a little predictable. Once you let the reigns go with players you can trust then it can get really interesting. And of course they'll be times when it just doesn't work at all.
@@Unworshipediety I had a black spiral dance that could only use 3rd level gifts, and he traded or sold fetishes carrying only 2nd level gifts. Blind in one eye and has a clog sinus. His only offensive gifts act more like a sinus blockage head cold. ( I had some really good dice rolls.) Once a person was dealing with the effects of a sinus infection brough on by casual talk about weather and sinus allergies he offers them a cough drop containing a Bane spirit to possess them. In game play I offer the other player a cough drop. Then give them a sly look after they put it in their mouth.
When or if I ever get around to hosting a game, I will likely have a skindancer as an NPC. partly because I have encountered too many purists who as players and Story tellers embody the Garou mentallity away from game, making any inquiries about the other races a futile endeavor.
@@TheMapleTable The main thing I'd probably need to run a game aside from the books and a filing system, would be someone to keep the info straight. I can be scatterbrained, but that comes with being an author and spending 9 years on a set of books. If I get to host the game that I've been thinking of for the past couple days, it'll be interesting. A story set on an abandoned oil drilling platform out at sea that has been reclaimed by a skindancer on a redemption arc. A skindancer with ties to the rokea and the Garou alike, and an unusual form that both might find rage inducing. A monstrous creature in service of gaia waging war on pentex from a forest grown on a oil drilling platform in the midle of the sea while working with a cairn with a mix of different tribes.
I wonder if there is a way to create the ability of shapeshifting without sacrificing Garou. Further it would be interesting to know wether the Garou are developing new skills to fit the new enviroment. In my opinion they´re powers never chaged that much because there was no need to do this - but in recent days this changed. Thank you for your Video :)
@@TheMapleTable If the´re powers are static and ours are exponentially inreasing it would mean that the garou will eventually be deafeated - it don´t matter how strong they are. Then garou will get delirium if they see a soldier with the latest equipement or even battle robots(Termiator)- or biowarfare, nanorobots and other nasty stuff. Gaia should give them extra power to balance ist out - if the garou should survive. Thank you for your answer :)
Good video, focusing on a lesser-known group. Quick aside, Azteca and Maya aren't tribes. I don't know as much about the Inca civilization. There are a lot of misconceptions regarding the peoples labeled "mesoamerican." I highly recommend people put in the time for research when they pull from indigenous cultures. I do find skin dancers very interesting. In one of my first vampire games, I had a Sabbat pack in Mexico help out the Voivode of Frontera Corozal who was one of the OG sabbat conquistadores take out the Balam in the area. Staring down the barrel of a gun, or talons in this instance, he turned to the infernal powers to bring disease on the Balam and their kinfolk. He kept as many of them as he could too, suspended on hooks, flesh crafted to oblivion, deep under his haven sustained by vitae. Eventually, a small group of Balam and their kinfolk tried to take him out but failed. Three surviving kinfolk found his relatives and beyond the wails of agony and insanity they told the three to take five of the captives. I think you can see where this is going. It was a fun and crazy story. Not-so-Balam, jealous childer, a hoarding Voivode, and a Demon named Balam because it wasn't confusing at all. I know this isn't a sabbat video, but I imagine there might be similarities between running sabbat and BSD or Skin Dancers. If there was a moral of my story, it's that sometimes you can't create more monstrous characters than your PCs. What are your thoughts on "the Bitten" from MES? It feels like a weird identity between Skin Dancers and regular Garou to me. Do you think they might do what WW originally intended for Skin Dancers? Nevertheless, Keep up the good work.
I may have miss spoke when referring to the Azteca, Maya, and Inca. They are whole civilizations of people with customs and culture, in this they are not tribes. what I was referring to is that the Balam TRIBE (werejaguars) were very prevalent in those cultures at the time. You will also have to excuse my lack of knowlege as im drawing a blank on MES and the Bitten... thought it sounds like something i would like to look into. (just did a bunch of extra over time at work and my brain is melted.)
I have been in a few very derange Sabbat Games. I have been in a few game that were Lovecraft style of Call of Cthulhu and the narrator was very good at creating verbal creepy scenes which gross and horrify some people at the gaming shop. But the Sabbat Tzimisce player said, " You are doing a great job, but this is a normal Tuesday for me. " And this was after a Wrym tainted baby chew its way out of its mother and crawling along the hospital floor under the flickering lights.
I wonder if this can only be done with kinfolk or can it be used with a human or maybe its 5 for kinfolk and like 10 for humans idk but I really like this ritual its interesting I felt a little betrayed by WoD because a werewolf couldn't change someone with a bite but had to only be born and even then its a resistive trait but this just makes things more inviting and makes me think of ways to implement skin dancers into a campaign
@@nicholasblackmore8325 sorry misunderstood your question. I would still say yes. Being that kinfolk are still human but the only difference is they (kinfolk) can pass on the genetics of the clans to make future werewolves.
I don’t think it necessarily has to be kinfolk, it’s just that kinfolk have themselves been rather… Protective of the Rite because they feel themselves to be more deserving than nonblooded humans. Now there’s a question, are there any lupine Skindancers…
When making Skin Dancer NPCs, I’m a bit lost on their tribal gifts. (They seem to only have two that are specific to their exact tribe but with disparaging values. Rank 1 and 5 respectively.) So, what counts towards their arrival gifts from a creation standpoint?
Its just genealogy, kinfolk carry the chance of giving birth to a werewolf or other changing breed. They themselves cqn not shape shift but belong to the tribe / family of that fera. Some tribes only think of kinfolk as breeding stock
@@natebush8217 they know were they they come from, any child of a gauro that is themselves not gauro, are kinfolk (human or wolf). The main reason they guard and use them as breeding stock is because it boosted the chances of getting gauro children (goes from like 1 in 15 to 1 in 10, as an example). Other then that their immune to fear effect of the crinos (werewolf) form and can have minor gifts. So human or wolf or kinfolk + garou makes kinfolk and rarely more garou
It never specifies how much hide is needed so could five Garou donate a slither of hide from their thigh or something and give it to a kinfolk to then perform this ritual? I would assume some tribes would see it as blasphemy but I could see tribes like the children of Gaia or Bone gnawers being more empathetic towards kinfolk longing to be like there siblings.
You're right that it doesn't say how much, but my interpretation of this is because its a level 5 rite, and the specifics of "when" the hide must be taken are also very specific. To me it stands to reason that you would need to take the entire hide, and probably in one piece. The difficulty on the ritual is insanely high, as it should be. It's because of the difficulty and level of the rite this is why I would rule it as such.
@@TheMapleTable that does make sense but then if it's the whole hide of 5 Garou, how are you supposed to wear that? that's alot of hide considering Garou on average are pretty large. I guess it's just one of those things that's up to the game masters interpretation.
You also have the case of Jonas Albrecht who was skinned but lived through it. And could someone get consent to use it. Granted that would be an awkward conversation but it's still fun to think about. "So I found your hide from when Arkady skinned you and was wondering since you're not using it could I use it to become a werewolf?"
I always wanted to be a skin dancer, but I wonder can only kinfolk become skindancers? Cuse when I read about them in the guide it said only the word HUMAN, so... And yeah no idea why BSD are not mass producing them and tossing at the labirinth.
Luckily the Rite of Scared Rebirth hasn’t spread to the Black Spiral Dancers yet, but even if they did they’d then need to teach the rite to the humans that would become Skin Dancers. Learning a level 5 rite is not that easy
@@LordPyro25 True learning a level 5 rite is not easy. BUT what if one guy could perform it on others I wonder? Cuse in a sense it is just to sticth the skins and do it at the right moon with a special line, I mean sure it is super hard, but why would not a human just stand still while another dresses him?
@@MrFantocan That scenario would make the rite really damn scary, but rules-as-written only the one doing the rite can wear the wolf skins and meld them to their body. In the “Skinner” adventure that has a pack of NPC Skin Dancers, everyone of them has 5 in the Rituals skill and 5 points in the Rites background, so they had to become master ritualists to perform the rite and become Garou. Though it wouldn’t be hard for a Storyteller to mod that Rite so it could be used on any willing human, then one person with the rite could slowly make an army or Skin Dancer Fera
@@LordPyro25 Yeah guess you are right, making one person only being able to mass produce Skin Dancers would make it too easy. BUT I'm sure if BSD packs started putting the word out that they are training people to become master ritualists for the rite Kinfolks from all over the world would come, including powerhungry humans (like myself) would spend years developing the 5 dots in rituals. After all there is even a proper path for training it, I believe the name is Meat Suit: wich the Skinner wana be takes the skin of 5 normal humans and stich them with a spirit making a fetich wich allows the user to take on the body shape of the victims, like their hair, eyes, and skin color.
@@MrFantocanif you dont born kinfolk... You just need to replace your organs under the skin... You even can pay a nagaraja with your old original flesh...
@@TheMapleTable Now that would make for a powerful antagonist. So what happens if a Kin folk is embrace before or after this process? Nullifies Kindred aspects or similar to abominations?
Honestly? Unpopular take from me, buuuuut...good on her. Evolution skipped her over, so she took it into her own hands. Gotta respect that sort of Envy made into Action. Actual Ambition.
A very controversial thing. On the one hand, it is a terrifying ritual, vile and vicious in its essence. On the other hand, in the days when your race will need extra warriors, such a ritual may seem like a gift of fate. But only on condition of the voluntary transfer of the skin from an already dying brother. A donation from five who will die anyway, in order to give new life to one.
Or you can use the skins of those who in any case will be killed for belonging to the Wyrm, for example, the same Black Spirals. Although in this case you need to be very careful, for anything connected with the Wyrm is dangerous, be it alive, dead, or neither.
As always, thanks for a great video. Very interesting and informative.
It could be used I suppose to replenish the ranks from warriors fallen in battle, but would that count as skin given willingly? Hard to say I guess.
@@TheMapleTable I think it would be more correct to discuss this thing in advance. This should be a voluntary step, like organ donation for those in need of transplant. The consonant will have to give some kind of oath or permission, and in return receive some privileges. This will both properly satisfy the conditions of the ritual and will be respectful towards the donor.
I keep being surprised by how few even think of using defeated BSDs, even those already willing to risk Wyrm taint. You'd think the Get would go hard that way, but no...
Yo man I’m not gonna lie you’re one of the main reasons that I’ve gotten into werewolf the apocalypse. Your videos are great and frankly I’m shocked that your channel doesn’t have over 10,000 subs yet because your content is so good
Thanks so much! Im glad that I have inspired you to look into WtA. My channel is starting to get noticed now and growth is ramping up which is exciting.
That’s really exciting then because you definitely deserve the recognition
I,m here because of mr.goat
Skin Dancers in my opinion are one of the most interesting things in world of darkness
and a story i have with them is as so:
my story teller wanted to involve a Skin Dancer but in a more fun and interesting way and so he created a
Skin (skin dancer) Dancer... yep a weird name...
we meet a Kin who hated the skin dancers so much that his only solution was to become one of them... and so he hunted a SD pack and turned himself into one.
a weird story but it was fun lol
That sounds like a good story idea! I like it... Really know thy enemy kind of vibe.
That’s really cool I’ve never heard of them until now
I am not surprised, they don't get a huge spot light but I guess they are supposed to be like a secret tribe or organization.
That and they are dark even for a WoD game.
Ooooh woah they are NASTY! This world is so complete, huh. Love it and thanks, as always, for your video :)
Its a really good horror game and setting and im only talking about it from the werewolf perspective. I haven't even touched on the vampires, mages, or the undeads perspective.
Sam's last name is pronounced "Hate" (as in the intersection of Haight and Ashbury, the birthplace of the American Hippie movement in San Fransisco
Thanks for the correction.
Goodness, they be performing some Tzimisce-like spells 😦
I wouldn't be surprised if they were involved in its creation
@@TheMapleTable 😳
I had one as a PC at my table a few years back, who was born in an… Unsanctioned marriage between an Uktena Garou and a Get Kinfolk. Eventually the Get realized that the Uktena female had borne a child and they were fairly angered by the entire situation and attacked her pack with a similarly sized pack, only to be overtaken by a pack of BSD when everyone was either already dead or severely injured. The female Uktena was away from the area at the time, only to return to the scene of battle. Fraught with guilt and terror and a desire that her daughter right the wrongs that had happened, she took her pack’s(her family’s) skins, as well as her husband’s family’s(the Fenrir that had tried to deal retribution for imagined crimes) skins and used the Rite to make a skin-suit for her young daughter.
Years later the daughter would be introduced to a Caern as a Lost Cub, her mother having succumbed to harano and dying as her medicine lodge burnt around her.
I intend to reintroduce her as an NPCwhen my sons and their friends start playing WWtA in the future.
I love it when DMs bring in previous characters from other games.
@@TheMapleTable Meta gaming, the players Know what that given character is capable of doing, but is it Legendary enough for their current characters know what just show up in game ?
Over time I would turn my Sabbat characters into true monsters that even end up on the Sabbat Red List.
When the gaming shop players have their new characters run into them, they just run for their lives.
Kind of takes the fun out of it.
Its interesting how much "Alternative history" is explored through this Mythopoeia
I played White Wolf games in my teens and early 20s; Late Nineties with "Elysium" events occurring in Toronto at places like the Zoo and Velvet Underground, but I've come back as a writer, historian & folklorist... and I gotta say, the people who crafted this mythos knew their stuff and had a mission.
Lots of things in WoD fit this description
@@TheMapleTable Yeah as someone who's studied comparative Mythologies and religions for 20 years, their origins on "Demons" And the role of "Lucifer" embodying that Apollo-Utu appearance as the "Illuminator" was pretty near perfect.
"Stranger Things" also owes just as much to White Wolf as they do D&D
@@TheMapleTable Excellent content by the way.
*Hold on, they would have to skin their targets alive to get their pelts. They revert back to their human forms upon death. This is way worse than you're making it out to be. They have to compel their target to stay in one form and somehow flay them alive, and presumably do so quicker than the target can regenerate. That has to be one of the worst fates one can suffer in the World of Darkness.*
Reading into it more, the person doing the ritual may have to use some form of magic to keep the pelt from... reverting back to human skin... once it's cut free from it's donor.
This would be a very involved and complicated ritual by the established lore in WoD. It seems like you would already have to be quite powerful or otherwise someone of extreme intellect to even have a chance of pulling this off (and rightly so). Were I to have a Skin Dancer in one of my games, it would probably be one of the most dangerous things my players could face. They should definitely be a cut above your "average" Garou.
They're more like the Skinwalkers of Werewolf the Apocalypse because like the Skin Dancers they can take skin from other and other transforms them into the animal they killed. That's one my thoughts of the Skin Dancers.
Depending on what version you're reading i think they are one in the same?
Well it's just a thought that's all I have think about them and the skinwalker made some appearances from the movies like the 2006 action horror movie Skinwalkers starting Rhona Mitra who played as Sonja in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. And the 2013 Skinwalker Ranch. Like the werewolves, they too are shapeshifters in the Navajo mythology.
@@louiemercado5595 oh I see what you mean now.
I'd love for you to make some Character creation videoes, they are fun to watch and very informative for both new and old players alike
If i was to do this in a stream format would that be something interesting or just a creation video?
@@TheMapleTable Absolutely Interesting, and then posting it for those on other timezones 😸
A twist on the skinwalker legend, Horrifying and awesome.
A neat tribe concept if you ask me
@@TheMapleTable Very much so!!!
I'm currently running an imbued hunter that found out he was kinfolk and through that knowledge has now become a Skin Dancer that's causing major problems for the players. Now he's not overpowered in the sense that he can't be overwhelmed by more than 2 players in a pack of 5 it's just that he's so devious and roguelike that the players absolutely hate & fear him. It's so strange that they could just all attack him at the same time and he'd not stand a chance. But the thought of what he is frightens the living crap out of them. _I gave him this sorta mumbo jumbo speech pattern where he goes on and on about the nature of reality and how he's only adding to the peacefulness by inhabiting the nature of the beast._
I don't think non normal humans (mages, revenants, kinfolk) can become imbued (though weirdly enough Dhampires can become imbued, it's only been mentioned once and never brought up again)
@@atomicash2475 Well yeah they can't! But when you've been playing for a long as I have you tend to let some things go if the right people are involved. Clearly, I usually go by the rules but when you've been playing with people for over a decade it can get a little predictable. Once you let the reigns go with players you can trust then it can get really interesting. And of course they'll be times when it just doesn't work at all.
@@Unworshipediety I had a black spiral dance that could only use 3rd level gifts, and he traded or sold fetishes carrying only 2nd level gifts. Blind in one eye and has a clog sinus.
His only offensive gifts act more like a sinus blockage head cold. ( I had some really good dice rolls.) Once a person was dealing with the effects of a sinus infection brough on by casual talk about weather and sinus allergies he offers them a cough drop containing a Bane spirit to possess them. In game play I offer the other player a cough drop.
Then give them a sly look after they put it in their mouth.
This was interesting. I love that I found your channel.
I aim to please... Though i willnsettle for. Unnerve as well
@@TheMapleTable thanks for making me aware of a tribe I didn’t know about.
When or if I ever get around to hosting a game, I will likely have a skindancer as an NPC. partly because I have encountered too many purists who as players and Story tellers embody the Garou mentallity away from game, making any inquiries about the other races a futile endeavor.
They can be great NPCs since they will largely be outcasts. Even your main story contact
@@TheMapleTable The main thing I'd probably need to run a game aside from the books and a filing system, would be someone to keep the info straight. I can be scatterbrained, but that comes with being an author and spending 9 years on a set of books. If I get to host the game that I've been thinking of for the past couple days, it'll be interesting. A story set on an abandoned oil drilling platform out at sea that has been reclaimed by a skindancer on a redemption arc. A skindancer with ties to the rokea and the Garou alike, and an unusual form that both might find rage inducing. A monstrous creature in service of gaia waging war on pentex from a forest grown on a oil drilling platform in the midle of the sea while working with a cairn with a mix of different tribes.
I wonder if there is a way to create the ability of shapeshifting without sacrificing Garou. Further it would be interesting to know wether the Garou are developing new skills to fit the new enviroment. In my opinion they´re powers never chaged that much because there was no need to do this - but in recent days this changed. Thank you for your Video :)
No worries, their powers are fairly static but we will see what happens in the new edition coming... Sometime in the future
@@TheMapleTable If the´re powers are static and ours are exponentially inreasing it would mean that the garou will eventually be deafeated - it don´t matter how strong they are. Then garou will get delirium if they see a soldier with the latest equipement or even battle robots(Termiator)- or biowarfare, nanorobots and other nasty stuff. Gaia should give them extra power to balance ist out - if the garou should survive. Thank you for your answer :)
Really enjoyed this story
Thank you for watching!
Random comment to boost you in the algorithm... Also, great lore vid
Thank you for the algorithm help!
Samuel Haight is so... ridiculously over the top that, in my setting, he never existed and I replace him with another NPC
I get it, but I still want to cover him because... Who else gets turned into an ash tray?
oh yes please, cover his story. Its still "good" lore to know
5:50 I can't believe sam hyde canonically eists in WoD
ay there is the skin dancers :3
More nightmare fuel is coming up!
Good video, focusing on a lesser-known group. Quick aside, Azteca and Maya aren't tribes. I don't know as much about the Inca civilization. There are a lot of misconceptions regarding the peoples labeled "mesoamerican." I highly recommend people put in the time for research when they pull from indigenous cultures.
I do find skin dancers very interesting. In one of my first vampire games, I had a Sabbat pack in Mexico help out the Voivode of Frontera Corozal who was one of the OG sabbat conquistadores take out the Balam in the area. Staring down the barrel of a gun, or talons in this instance, he turned to the infernal powers to bring disease on the Balam and their kinfolk. He kept as many of them as he could too, suspended on hooks, flesh crafted to oblivion, deep under his haven sustained by vitae. Eventually, a small group of Balam and their kinfolk tried to take him out but failed. Three surviving kinfolk found his relatives and beyond the wails of agony and insanity they told the three to take five of the captives. I think you can see where this is going. It was a fun and crazy story. Not-so-Balam, jealous childer, a hoarding Voivode, and a Demon named Balam because it wasn't confusing at all. I know this isn't a sabbat video, but I imagine there might be similarities between running sabbat and BSD or Skin Dancers. If there was a moral of my story, it's that sometimes you can't create more monstrous characters than your PCs.
What are your thoughts on "the Bitten" from MES? It feels like a weird identity between Skin Dancers and regular Garou to me. Do you think they might do what WW originally intended for Skin Dancers?
Nevertheless, Keep up the good work.
I may have miss spoke when referring to the Azteca, Maya, and Inca. They are whole civilizations of people with customs and culture, in this they are not tribes. what I was referring to is that the Balam TRIBE (werejaguars) were very prevalent in those cultures at the time.
You will also have to excuse my lack of knowlege as im drawing a blank on MES and the Bitten... thought it sounds like something i would like to look into. (just did a bunch of extra over time at work and my brain is melted.)
I have been in a few very derange Sabbat Games.
I have been in a few game that were Lovecraft style of Call of Cthulhu and the narrator was very good at creating verbal creepy scenes which gross and horrify some people at the gaming shop. But the Sabbat Tzimisce player said, " You are doing a great job, but this is a normal Tuesday for me. "
And this was after a Wrym tainted baby chew its way out of its mother and crawling along the hospital floor under the flickering lights.
Skin jobs? Hmmm are we talking Bladerunner here or Brazzers?
Depending how Wyrm tainted you are, maybe both :p
I wonder if this can only be done with kinfolk or can it be used with a human or maybe its 5 for kinfolk and like 10 for humans idk but I really like this ritual its interesting I felt a little betrayed by WoD because a werewolf couldn't change someone with a bite but had to only be born and even then its a resistive trait but this just makes things more inviting and makes me think of ways to implement skin dancers into a campaign
Yes, kinfolk can use this. Its one of the reasons that this Became known. Jealous kinfolk
@@TheMapleTable Thank you Maple but my question was if humans could use this ritual or is it kindfolk only
@@nicholasblackmore8325 sorry misunderstood your question. I would still say yes. Being that kinfolk are still human but the only difference is they (kinfolk) can pass on the genetics of the clans to make future werewolves.
I don’t think it necessarily has to be kinfolk, it’s just that kinfolk have themselves been rather… Protective of the Rite because they feel themselves to be more deserving than nonblooded humans.
Now there’s a question, are there any lupine Skindancers…
When making Skin Dancer NPCs, I’m a bit lost on their tribal gifts. (They seem to only have two that are specific to their exact tribe but with disparaging values. Rank 1 and 5 respectively.)
So, what counts towards their arrival gifts from a creation standpoint?
How exactly do wolves and humans become kinfolk? I was always confused by how exactly that worked. :P
Its just genealogy, kinfolk carry the chance of giving birth to a werewolf or other changing breed. They themselves cqn not shape shift but belong to the tribe / family of that fera. Some tribes only think of kinfolk as breeding stock
@@TheMapleTable I guess it's just one of those things where the genealogy goes so far back that nobody knows when it started?
@@natebush8217 sort of Yea, kinfolk are guarded well by all the changing breeds they belong so they csn continue to make more of their tribe
@@natebush8217 they know were they they come from, any child of a gauro that is themselves not gauro, are kinfolk (human or wolf). The main reason they guard and use them as breeding stock is because it boosted the chances of getting gauro children (goes from like 1 in 15 to 1 in 10, as an example). Other then that their immune to fear effect of the crinos (werewolf) form and can have minor gifts.
So human or wolf or kinfolk + garou makes kinfolk and rarely more garou
Could you use multiple sets and shift into multiple changing breeds?
The ritual is permanent, so probably not. I certaintly wouldn't allow it as a storyteller
It never specifies how much hide is needed so could five Garou donate a slither of hide from their thigh or something and give it to a kinfolk to then perform this ritual? I would assume some tribes would see it as blasphemy but I could see tribes like the children of Gaia or Bone gnawers being more empathetic towards kinfolk longing to be like there siblings.
You're right that it doesn't say how much, but my interpretation of this is because its a level 5 rite, and the specifics of "when" the hide must be taken are also very specific.
To me it stands to reason that you would need to take the entire hide, and probably in one piece. The difficulty on the ritual is insanely high, as it should be. It's because of the difficulty and level of the rite this is why I would rule it as such.
@@TheMapleTable that does make sense but then if it's the whole hide of 5 Garou, how are you supposed to wear that? that's alot of hide considering Garou on average are pretty large. I guess it's just one of those things that's up to the game masters interpretation.
@@Caitlycan the size wouldn't matter as the skins would "absorb" to the rite holder, but it would be incredibly gross :p
@@TheMapleTable That's a fair point.
You also have the case of Jonas Albrecht who was skinned but lived through it. And could someone get consent to use it. Granted that would be an awkward conversation but it's still fun to think about.
"So I found your hide from when Arkady skinned you and was wondering since you're not using it could I use it to become a werewolf?"
I always wanted to be a skin dancer, but I wonder can only kinfolk become skindancers? Cuse when I read about them in the guide it said only the word HUMAN, so...
And yeah no idea why BSD are not mass producing them and tossing at the labirinth.
Luckily the Rite of Scared Rebirth hasn’t spread to the Black Spiral Dancers yet, but even if they did they’d then need to teach the rite to the humans that would become Skin Dancers. Learning a level 5 rite is not that easy
@@LordPyro25 True learning a level 5 rite is not easy. BUT what if one guy could perform it on others I wonder? Cuse in a sense it is just to sticth the skins and do it at the right moon with a special line, I mean sure it is super hard, but why would not a human just stand still while another dresses him?
@@MrFantocan That scenario would make the rite really damn scary, but rules-as-written only the one doing the rite can wear the wolf skins and meld them to their body. In the “Skinner” adventure that has a pack of NPC Skin Dancers, everyone of them has 5 in the Rituals skill and 5 points in the Rites background, so they had to become master ritualists to perform the rite and become Garou.
Though it wouldn’t be hard for a Storyteller to mod that Rite so it could be used on any willing human, then one person with the rite could slowly make an army or Skin Dancer Fera
@@LordPyro25 Yeah guess you are right, making one person only being able to mass produce Skin Dancers would make it too easy. BUT I'm sure if BSD packs started putting the word out that they are training people to become master ritualists for the rite Kinfolks from all over the world would come, including powerhungry humans (like myself) would spend years developing the 5 dots in rituals.
After all there is even a proper path for training it, I believe the name is Meat Suit: wich the Skinner wana be takes the skin of 5 normal humans and stich them with a spirit making a fetich wich allows the user to take on the body shape of the victims, like their hair, eyes, and skin color.
@@MrFantocanif you dont born kinfolk... You just need to replace your organs under the skin... You even can pay a nagaraja with your old original flesh...
I like!
So could you mix and match skins to become a Chimera of sorts?
Kinda
@@TheMapleTable Now that would make for a powerful antagonist.
So what happens if a Kin folk is embrace before or after this process?
Nullifies Kindred aspects or similar to abominations?
@@Spoeism they would be an abomination for sure
@@TheMapleTable I Still can't figure out why a company like HBO hasn't made several series after this mythos?
Then again.. NWO industry heh
Yeah if I was kinfolk I would go threw the ritual of rebirth
Only question is… With whose skins?
Honestly? Unpopular take from me, buuuuut...good on her. Evolution skipped her over, so she took it into her own hands. Gotta respect that sort of Envy made into Action. Actual Ambition.
This Ichtaka killed her family members: Does WoaD have a variation of the Furies/Kindly Ones that punishes betrayal murders of family members?
We have boogeman.... Slught
judging by the name, before seeing the video, i assume its based on the real skin-walker myth?
oh hey here it is! love it. he didn't need to do any of this he was a mage. what an asshole
Sammuel Haight. Pronounced "Hate".
Disurbing
Yea they are. They are dark even for world of darkness.