Came across a fan-made Mockery Breed that was ALMOST a match for a proper Werewolf conceptually. They used large breeds of dogs as the baseline to make Weredogs that actually have 4 forms that match the Garou same for the completely human form. The thing that defines them more than anything is the utter loyalty they have to their masters. They even have gifts and can side step, but since they're creatures of Civilization it becomes harder and harder for them to do that the more rural the location they try. It also mentions that if they realized they had bad masters and were thus bad dogs, the rage they'd have against the ones who had lied to them their entire lives would make a Black Fury tell them to calm down.
Most of them seem to be on the weaker side, though I've dabbled in 'abominations' like warped Shifters due to experiments, who may be more formidable than low rent shock troops. Mixing it up can help, change ups, complimenting factors perhaps like kinds of Fomori or, of course, much worse.
I play more of a Hunters/Ghost Hunter type game. I prefer WarWolves to Garou mainly because they seem to be a more classical (horror story, movie) type werewolf. A diseased, rabid, ravenous monster. More than capable of killing people. I used them as the basis for my Werewolf (the 80's TV show) conversion.
The War Wolves themselves are not something very remarkable for me. Poor sick creatures whose existence is miserable and painful. But the very idea of DNA is quite interesting. Given that Lycanthropy has a genetic basis, I believe it is theoretically possible to use the Reaper virus to create its analogue, but with the opposite effect, namely the introduction of the Change Breed gene into ordinary people, creating a huge number of new Kinfolk. Perhaps this would significantly increase the ranks of Gaia's army. And as always, the video was excellent! I love your work, thank you 👍
I would think that making everyone a changing breed would be even more terrifying. Imagine if they all went through their first change at the same time... That WOULD be an apocalypse
@@TheMapleTable Well, I probably didn't think about it ... Yes, such a large-scale transformation of the population will be ... destructive, to say the least.
Actually, "Lycanthropy" of Changing Breeds is not based on DNA, Pentex and others tried to find the gene that makes it possible to shift into different forms, but failed. Because the thing that makes it possible is actually their connection to the spirit world, the fact that they're part-spirits, apart from part-human part-animal. And this "spirit-part" is transferred to their children, kinfolk or shapeshifters, but not through genetics, any shapeshifter in Homid form is 100% human, even in terms of DNA. You can check Changing Ways book from 20th anniversary edition, it has a lot of info on how Garou, and presumably other shifters, "work" from scientific and mystic perspective.
I wasn't going to pre order it but im hearing the reviews are decent enough. I might pick up a copy and see how i like it and maybe do some live streams? If people are interested? I'm not a good streamer.
As a werewolf the apocalypse outside fan (aka loves the lore, wants to play the tabletop but no one nearby plays), I am really enjoying Earthblood and am greatful for it's existence. It's too bad that it wasn't an MMO with an entire world and other players thought!
@@TheMapleTable WoD has some of the best lore and no other lore channel will dive into it. They'll do a surface glance at edge-lord the masquerade but people WANT wyrm and werewolf lore. We appreciate the maple table.
I wonder if there could be a Mockery breed that mimics the "infected werewolf" trope that causes problems for the Garou. Obviously, these are not them.
It's been a long time since I've heard anything about these guys, and don't remember much about them, but I do remember being upset that they didn't have a fashion breed variant. Like the gilla monster Mokele.
I always liked the mockery breeds when I ran them in my WTA stories. The War Wolves were fun to hit the classic werewolf stories while my Garou players would be trying to figure out what was going on. Was a great mystery story.
Mockery breeds are great they actually can challenge werewolves in combat. Let's be honest out side of BSDs if you are a heavy stealth werewolf with good combat skills like a BG Arhoun you got something that can surprise attack kill like a shit ton of people.
There aren’t weredogs specifically in WWtA, but there is a fan supplement called The Debased that revolves around what happens when a few optimistic werewolves tried to use a certain Rite to enable to open their breeding options.
Planning to run an encounter where a War Wolf has taken over a small log cabin and uses it as a home base and has their own Kinfolk that they rule with the iron fist and devours any of them who opposes the War Wolf.
Personally, I have the War Wolves experiencing a unique mixture of circumstances. War Wolves get made in Pentex labs outta stray dogs, only to be skinned for the Rite of Sacred Rebirth, creating intelligent War Wolves that have access to more than 2 forms. Adding to that, the Hollow Walkers exist thanks to Cernunous, meaning that these guys can now mix with the pre-tampered War Wolves to create a stable, Wyrmic Garou tribe. Pre-Hollow Walker Metis and all
What if a War Wolf was possessed by a Fomor and/or ghoulified by a Pentex Vampire (maybe even Kinfolk to ensure it is "fed" more way than one by the vitae)? Would that make them less "bland" for you?
They are in the w20 book of the wrym. Its displayed on the shelf behind me, although the titles may not be easily read :p they start on page 161 I believe.
@@TheMapleTable I'm old school man, I'm not up on everything these kids are playing today. :) you are turning into my gateway for the modern era of Werewolf.
@@kiltedcripple i can live with being a gateway drug! Being an experienced player in the lore gives you an edge for storytelling. You know stuff new players won't and it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine how somethings you know update to the modern world. And you can always sprinkle in some old ways to keep players guessing
Im pretty sure that game was based in the world of darkness setting, and I really liked that game. Hunters is another whitewolf, onyx path game system but you are just a human who hunts supernatural monsters.
@@TheMapleTable I ment in the Hunter the Reckoning game you meet and fight against a werewolf tribe and they actually talk to you and team up with you They cary weapons and stuff and the leader talks to you I was wondering if that werewolf tribe belongs to a tribe from werewolf the apocalypse and if so what tribe
I found that war wolves are not very good to be like big boss enemies but rather more like regular shock troopers, I have the idea for one of my campaigns where a squad of war wolves are lead by a yeren with him actually being the big bad. I like the mockery breeds because it made sense to me, werewolves are not created they are born is a genetic trait meaning of course somebody would have thought to try and isolate that Gene and implemented in other people The mockery breeds as concepts are incredible and I feel like makes sense of course they would try to recreate shifters in order to combat werewolves it just makes sense to me at least
If a vampire was to try and embrace one what would happen? Would it die like most abominations. Or would it have a higher chance of survival and be something like a gangrel ?
I disliked DNA but love the mockery breed, especially since the more promising breed always seems to have flaws that makes them a potential that can be turn to Gaia.
I saw the art of the Weremoose. I unfortunately know where that's from. That is art from one of the worst books that White Wolf ever put out and it was written by everyone's "favorite" WW author; Phil Brucato, or as he would legal change his name to; Satyros Brucato. A man who believed that the magic of Mage the Ascencion was real and he was also really big into tantric stuff. NWOD Changing Breeds is godawful and a train wreck.
Came across a fan-made Mockery Breed that was ALMOST a match for a proper Werewolf conceptually. They used large breeds of dogs as the baseline to make Weredogs that actually have 4 forms that match the Garou same for the completely human form. The thing that defines them more than anything is the utter loyalty they have to their masters. They even have gifts and can side step, but since they're creatures of Civilization it becomes harder and harder for them to do that the more rural the location they try. It also mentions that if they realized they had bad masters and were thus bad dogs, the rage they'd have against the ones who had lied to them their entire lives would make a Black Fury tell them to calm down.
I love Mockery Breeds. I have no idea why, conceptually, they would not make great antagonists.
I agree with you about that on the War Wolves, I happen to think a greedy Yeren would make for a very interesting BBEG for a short story arc.
The War Wolves could make good pathetic shock troops, especially if guided by say… A Yeren…
Most of them seem to be on the weaker side, though I've dabbled in 'abominations' like warped Shifters due to experiments, who may be more formidable than low rent shock troops. Mixing it up can help, change ups, complimenting factors perhaps like kinds of Fomori or, of course, much worse.
LOL love the use of Lofwyr at 8:15. Sure, it's Shadowrun, but gosh dang if it doesn't work for some aspects of Pentex in WoD...
theres a decent time for crossover.
I play more of a Hunters/Ghost Hunter type game. I prefer WarWolves to Garou mainly because they seem to be a more classical (horror story, movie) type werewolf. A diseased, rabid, ravenous monster. More than capable of killing people. I used them as the basis for my Werewolf (the 80's TV show) conversion.
In this context yes, they are better suited for this role.
If you’re not adverse to 3rd party material, perhaps look up The Debased, particularly the Ferals.
I don’t hate the mockery breeds, fighting the same 5 things over and over after almost 30 years gets kinda old lol
The War Wolves themselves are not something very remarkable for me. Poor sick creatures whose existence is miserable and painful.
But the very idea of DNA is quite interesting. Given that Lycanthropy has a genetic basis, I believe it is theoretically possible to use the Reaper virus to create its analogue, but with the opposite effect, namely the introduction of the Change Breed gene into ordinary people, creating a huge number of new Kinfolk. Perhaps this would significantly increase the ranks of Gaia's army.
And as always, the video was excellent! I love your work, thank you 👍
I would think that making everyone a changing breed would be even more terrifying. Imagine if they all went through their first change at the same time... That WOULD be an apocalypse
@@TheMapleTable Well, I probably didn't think about it ...
Yes, such a large-scale transformation of the population will be ... destructive, to say the least.
Actually, "Lycanthropy" of Changing Breeds is not based on DNA, Pentex and others tried to find the gene that makes it possible to shift into different forms, but failed. Because the thing that makes it possible is actually their connection to the spirit world, the fact that they're part-spirits, apart from part-human part-animal. And this "spirit-part" is transferred to their children, kinfolk or shapeshifters, but not through genetics, any shapeshifter in Homid form is 100% human, even in terms of DNA.
You can check Changing Ways book from 20th anniversary edition, it has a lot of info on how Garou, and presumably other shifters, "work" from scientific and mystic perspective.
Well now Anurana,Samsa and Kerasi left to cover.
Also Earthblood is Out of the Cage!
And I'm Raging!!!
I wasn't going to pre order it but im hearing the reviews are decent enough. I might pick up a copy and see how i like it and maybe do some live streams? If people are interested? I'm not a good streamer.
Really digging these videos. Pentex kinda reminds me of Umbrella from Resident Evil.
Earth Blood is out now.
I will have some extra funds for this game come march time. I may do some live streams and lore dives if people are interested
That would be really cool. Kinda have some mixed feeling, I'd love to hear what someone more familiar with the lore thinks about it.
I hardly consider myself an expert lol but I would like to see what they do with the game and lore
As a werewolf the apocalypse outside fan (aka loves the lore, wants to play the tabletop but no one nearby plays), I am really enjoying Earthblood and am greatful for it's existence. It's too bad that it wasn't an MMO with an entire world and other players thought!
@@kirodarkpaw2966 you could try finding an online group, but I don't know how reliable they are.
And yet another interesting video :) cheers for the effort you put into doing these; they are very interesting and I enjoy watching them all
The entertainment value is what I like, while also being informitive!
Some of you didnt like the mockery breeds. But my last video did pretty well so MORE mockery breeds. Lmao nice.
If its working... Lol
@@TheMapleTable WoD has some of the best lore and no other lore channel will dive into it. They'll do a surface glance at edge-lord the masquerade but people WANT wyrm and werewolf lore. We appreciate the maple table.
I wonder if there could be a Mockery breed that mimics the "infected werewolf" trope that causes problems for the Garou. Obviously, these are not them.
It wouldn't be stretch to make any version of mockery breed you want. Pentex is into some shady stuff
I LOVE the logical extension of Pentex.
There is a division for any story that you may want to tell
It's been a long time since I've heard anything about these guys, and don't remember much about them, but I do remember being upset that they didn't have a fashion breed variant. Like the gilla monster Mokele.
I don't recall reading about these. I may need to look into my books again to see if I can find them.
5:08 Is that...is that a weremoose? :P
It sure is!
@@TheMapleTable I don't know whether to piss myself in fear...or laugh my ass off. XD
@@natebush8217 you can do both, but do you know how terrifying moose are on their own? Now imagine a weremoose... Good Canadian mad science lol
Weremoose.... As if regular moose couldn't already finnal season most creatures in the WoD.
I always liked the mockery breeds when I ran them in my WTA stories. The War Wolves were fun to hit the classic werewolf stories while my Garou players would be trying to figure out what was going on. Was a great mystery story.
Its fun to when there is a mystery to solve.
I think that creatures that blend science with the supernatural are quite intriguing. As such, the war wolves seem like an interesting idea
Mockery breeds are great they actually can challenge werewolves in combat. Let's be honest out side of BSDs if you are a heavy stealth werewolf with good combat skills like a BG Arhoun you got something that can surprise attack kill like a shit ton of people.
Okay is there a weredog I swear I saw a weremoose 😂😂
You did see a weremoose :p
There aren’t weredogs specifically in WWtA, but there is a fan supplement called The Debased that revolves around what happens when a few optimistic werewolves tried to use a certain Rite to enable to open their breeding options.
Planning to run an encounter where a War Wolf has taken over a small log cabin and uses it as a home base and has their own Kinfolk that they rule with the iron fist and devours any of them who opposes the War Wolf.
Personally, I have the War Wolves experiencing a unique mixture of circumstances. War Wolves get made in Pentex labs outta stray dogs, only to be skinned for the Rite of Sacred Rebirth, creating intelligent War Wolves that have access to more than 2 forms.
Adding to that, the Hollow Walkers exist thanks to Cernunous, meaning that these guys can now mix with the pre-tampered War Wolves to create a stable, Wyrmic Garou tribe. Pre-Hollow Walker Metis and all
cool stuff! thanks for the videos
Glad you like them!
What if a War Wolf was possessed by a Fomor and/or ghoulified by a Pentex Vampire (maybe even Kinfolk to ensure it is "fed" more way than one by the vitae)? Would that make them less "bland" for you?
What book are these Mockery breeds in?
They are in the w20 book of the wrym. Its displayed on the shelf behind me, although the titles may not be easily read :p they start on page 161 I believe.
@@TheMapleTable I'm old school man, I'm not up on everything these kids are playing today. :) you are turning into my gateway for the modern era of Werewolf.
@@kiltedcripple i can live with being a gateway drug! Being an experienced player in the lore gives you an edge for storytelling. You know stuff new players won't and it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine how somethings you know update to the modern world. And you can always sprinkle in some old ways to keep players guessing
@@TheMapleTable indeed. Thanks for finding the upside of being a Garou of many moons.
Was these the werewolfs in Hunter the Reckoning
Im pretty sure that game was based in the world of darkness setting, and I really liked that game. Hunters is another whitewolf, onyx path game system but you are just a human who hunts supernatural monsters.
@@TheMapleTable I ment in the Hunter the Reckoning game you meet and fight against a werewolf tribe and they actually talk to you and team up with you
They cary weapons and stuff and the leader talks to you I was wondering if that werewolf tribe belongs to a tribe from werewolf the apocalypse and if so what tribe
I found that war wolves are not very good to be like big boss enemies but rather more like regular shock troopers, I have the idea for one of my campaigns where a squad of war wolves are lead by a yeren with him actually being the big bad.
I like the mockery breeds because it made sense to me, werewolves are not created they are born is a genetic trait meaning of course somebody would have thought to try and isolate that Gene and implemented in other people
The mockery breeds as concepts are incredible and I feel like makes sense of course they would try to recreate shifters in order to combat werewolves it just makes sense to me at least
That's a good idea
There’s a lot of werewolves in our country Philippines they live in the cementery when someone dies they howls at night k!
I didn't know that about the Philippines
Mockery Breeds are a cool idea, but at the same time I am strongly against the Changing Breed Gene. Explaining the mystical never enhances it
If a vampire was to try and embrace one what would happen? Would it die like most abominations. Or would it have a higher chance of survival and be something like a gangrel ?
I made a video on this question ua-cam.com/video/PEEfDnPflQ0/v-deo.html
I disliked DNA but love the mockery breed, especially since the more promising breed always seems to have flaws that makes them a potential that can be turn to Gaia.
I saw the art of the Weremoose. I unfortunately know where that's from. That is art from one of the worst books that White Wolf ever put out and it was written by everyone's "favorite" WW author; Phil Brucato, or as he would legal change his name to; Satyros Brucato. A man who believed that the magic of Mage the Ascencion was real and he was also really big into tantric stuff.
NWOD Changing Breeds is godawful and a train wreck.
I have wanted to homebrew a moose for a while
I think there werecockroaches are the best
War wolves are awful. Lol 😆
Yea lol so I've been told.
I really hate mocky breeds they are so TRASH!! No disrespect to the mocky breeds... kinda.
Love em or hate them thry can make convenient enemies