Jordan Peterson: How Males and Females Select Partners
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Jordan B Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He discusses mating choices.
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So women like rich, successful guys and Rich, successful guys like lots of women.
Wow
This what i try to explain to my female friends, who want rich and powerful men for husbands. The more rich and powerful the man the higher the chance he will cheat on you..it is the nature of the beast..Why do you think men want to be rich and powerful? So they can do whatever and whoever they want anytime they want lol.
Lol women know that. Women may prefer guys on top 30% in terms of money, the same way that men want women who are better looking than themselves are, but in the end everybody has to settle for their proportional in terms of attractiveness. Preferences are different than real choice.
Women know that, silly.
The ugly truth is though-women don't mind sharing an alpha male with other females as long as they can have him too.
Some do and some dont and some even seem shocked when it happens silly goose.
Daniel Jones conducted a study in 2015 where he found that only 10% of women are willing to settle for a men who's described as promiscuous. Likewise, Buss and Schmitt found in 1993 that among the least desirable traits even for a short term partner, being that the men already had a girlfriend or that he behaves in a promiscuous way. It would seem that what is known as "Polygynous thereshold" within evolutionary biology does not hold true for humans, or if it does then it's in a limited way.
oliveirantunes, so we are descended from twice as meany females as males, so what that means is that on average the in the human species, one male impregnates two women and half of the males impregnate no women. That sounds like polygyny to me. Promiscuity has nothing to do with polygyny so we can mark that off of your assertion. Human polygny is not simultaneous sex partners, in human polygny the male has sex and a child with a female, and then moves on to the next female. In most cultures with polygnist marrage, the male still financially supports the previous wife. They are techniquely still "married" but the first wife becomes a glorified baby sitter and the new wife is the sex partner until he has a child or moves on to the next one. They only go back to the first wife in a business type of way if they want another child from her.
So your study is kind of irrelevant to polygny or the subject of this video.
In our society we have divorce the male has sex with the female and has a child, then moves on to the next one but still financially supports the last one. Its the same idea just in a different form and its been that way since the beginning of humanity. To this day women are twice as likely to have children then a man is, still over halve of all men never get a child or a women.
Every time I listen to this guy it might not be pleasant but it's 100% accurate. Thank you for reality check
are u rich yet?
@@77LUCKYNUMBER77 lol
@@77LUCKYNUMBER77 Why would you ask that question? Are you implying that that is everyone's ultimate goal? To be rich? You think there is nothing more to life than being rich?
@@mophea7172 I think it’s a joke and you should probably relax and take a sip of kool aid.
@@mophea7172 no way a fucking girl is saying this
So Jordan Peterson scores 25k women.
Every weekend
which means hes even higher in the dominance hierarchy than most achievers
I find him attractive and I don't care what people think. 😎😎😎
@@amandajtycer2887 he's hot tbh. He is the way older than me which isn't a sexy thing to me but he's still hot. 🤷♀️
Summary:
men like hot women
women like rich men
Which is funny because not to many women are hot and not to many men are rich.
You will rarely see a man scoff at a woman whose looks are 6/10 if she has a warm personality, but the majority of women want nothing less than a millionaire until reality hits them around age 35.
Palace Of Wisdom Not true, in my opinion. As a woman looking for a man, my standard is that he make about as much as I do. If he makes more that's fine but I think relationships work best when both partners are on equal footing, in both financial status and attractiveness.
There is a say, you listen from woman everything she says, but you watch everything she do, if it not match then she is not worth it, just an opinion too
Holy Atheist you are then is what is referred to as a outlier, what he's saying is a trueisim. you may very well be the exception that proves the rule
"most of the things people find cute have large eyes and the rest of their facial features are relatively small".
This guy, who has probably never seen anime, just described anime. *mind blown*
It's the same with how Disney characters are drawn. Think about the average Disney princess: big eyes, little face.
you really think he didnt know about anime dude?
@@AlyssaTaylor9 Anime was actually inspired by old school disney comics. Particularly, Duck Tales.
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Hmm
I think Jordan Peterson is talking about man getting Power. Power in history. Power attracts women. Pretty much correct.
Power is one of the aspects, more accurately I think it is respect. I think the woman likes to see a man respected by his peers, so she can be assured he is part of a strong community, or that he can lead or organise one.
So in today's world, that could be being cool, popular, highly skilled and admired for it. Lower down the heirarchy, it's basically anyone who's not just following others blindly and has the initiative to make important decisions.
This is not historical, according to the statistics something like 80% of women will have children and only 40% of men will have children. In other words on average two women for one man and no women for most men.
Darran Ford power means respect and leadership abilities being cool popular and highly skilled is all a type of power and the majority of men do not have that, which is why the majority of men do not get a chance to mate with a women but the majority of women can mate when ever they feel like it.
Studio Semantics In a free market society, money is power.
Well, I am sure women value strength lf character far more than monetarial wealth. Proof is that many successfull males feel miserable inside and the suicide rate is higher even in billionair places than with very poor men, its paradox but its true, because most rich people dont really understand what self esteem is truely about... no joke!
It's resources and therefore survival chances.
I believe that relationships established entirely on the basis of status or wealth are doomed to fail, because they are merely labels you can stick on people. Great relationships are established by examining people as individuals; Things such as personality or character have far more weight in long-term success than status and wealth... In my opinion.
Let’s see how attracted you are to that
There are some baseline lifestyle requirements someone might have based on various factors and the more reasonable those expectations are the larger dating pool in which to find a partner that fits them, the more unreasonable the expectations the more likely one will wind up in bad relationships, relationships that go nowhere, or remain single all together. Let's say there's 50 million women who want one of the 100,000 or so male millionaires and Chads half of whom are taken which means out of a thousand random women you'd have to be the .1% of the best of the best but when you look at the top .1% they're from good families, are educated, attractive, driven, family oriented, etc so it's just unreasonable to seek out a partner based solely on wealth alone if you're seeking something more than a "lifestyle" but then again if that's what your seeking you're not actually seeking a relationship but self indulgence and financial security. Happiness is not measured by wealth, though misery can so having reasonable expectations are healthy but self indulgence makes a lifestyle not a relationship. You may be used by those men but it's unlikely they'll want more even if they do will you honestly sure that person will fit you?
Well, things are not so simple now, are they, eh?
Go into the wild and see how the sexes of each animal differ in terms of behavior. It is quite clear what motivates those behaviors and how humans are not that different, which shouldn't even have to be said. The embracing of human exceptionalism, blinds us from seeing what really defines ourselves.
exceptionalism=defines
All this is reduced to a choice: do you want to be a successful man with a highly stressful and consuming life so that you can attract the most "beautiful" women or would you work just enough to support your family with an "average" woman, while having a more peaceful life?
Follow the second option with "and then get cheated on and divorced"
@@andrewu2480 If you are rich she would stay with you for practical reasons, that doesn't mean she would not be tempted to cheat or that she would be attracted to you forever. She would just force herself to stay with you.
exactly i just concluded the same thing
@@mhd5245 in reality it doesn't work like this. if they cheat or not depends on their personality, culture, religion, trauma, etc. You don't need money to attract a beautiful woman. You need to look at your best(at least workout and be clean smell nice) and be very good at reading people and know how to manipulate their minds :)
@@mhd5245 being rich.
Ah yes, the "just be rich solution"
I hope ww3 with China drafts you
In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.
Good movie!
Shey ello to my lil’ fren!
Nah just got to learn to flick your tongue
I don’t care about money, I do care about him being someone who can fix a car, or a home, is a good partner , kind to animals and good to me
ok... and what do you offer for all of this in return?
Which would you pick. A guy with all of that that’s rich or poor
How to get laid:
Guy: be successful
Girl: be cute
@saganist romantic love is a hormonal cocktail meant to keep us in a love "haze" long enough to reproduce and continue the human race. This is external from the human experience, it's only our animal urges which we have the ability to control and overcome if we choose to. It takes two but I think it's possible to have a "great romantic love" in life.
Men are biologically wired to spread their seed, supporting the basic biological urges. Women are biologically wired to care for weaker beings, and find resources to support as their base biological urge.
For every woman who is dating a man for his resources, there is another woman who has followed instinct and mistakenly "mothered" a non- resourceful male partner, only to leave him and find a resourceful partner, thus fulfilling their biological urge with a resourceful male who can provide while she cares for his child.
The MGTOW comments in JBP vids are largely made by the non-resourceful males who were left by their "mothering" girlfriends and went on to date a resourceful man who could enable them to raise his children in a healthy stable environment.
@@bettycooper369 Lol way too long to read.
I'll succeed if I want to, not because it impresses bimbos lmao.
The way you guys think about love is gross and nerdy. It's not a color-coated schedule, weirdos.
When you start having to force it, then you're desperate, or you've messed it up.
In general, women look for a variety of attributes. Wealth, power, looks, physical prowess, etc... But we have all come across seemingly high status women who chose a lower status man, and those stand out in our memory. Some people just like to be the unchallenged boss.
I know a hot famous girl with a total tubby nerd with no accomplishment. It doesn't even seem like a power thing. I don't think she is even big on sex. I really don't get it at all. Maybe he is just ultra nice and never does anything overly sexual or masculine and she likes that because she was raped as a child or something.
I think this has all been totally watered down to a single simplistic power dynamic between the sexes. What you're talking about is more common and culturally ingrained than you think: just look at classic nuclear families in popular shows like Family Guy and The Simpsons. Why did Marge ever settle for Homer by this logic? There's just more to life than Peterson has time to express in this clip.
I don't care what he says...My dates get ONE regular taco.
No supreme until second date!!!
This is insanely motivational.
That's definitely not the point
Correlation does not indicate causation: If youre a high IQ, very industrious man working 90 hours a week, then it's not going to be easy to have a monogamous, stable relationship. Those require time. You will attract LOADS of women, yes. But youre not going to be capable of having a healthy, singular relationship with one woman.
This is the truth. And women want someone who can provide, but also be there for her and the kids. Emotional stability and safety also is a resource that ensures survival of her children.
If you think this coldly about relationships, I don't want to be in one with you. I wouldn't even want you around my friends.
@@archesworn377 it's more realistic than cold
they don’t want one woman though. They want several
@@audreyc9653 that's what all cold people think.
My eyes make up for literally had of my face, you've made me feel a bit more confident mr. Peterson
We need to wake people up from the ugly ways that we are living, it’s holding us all back. Holding 20 pounds with both hands is easier than holding 10 pounds in each hand which means accepting responsibility and simply moving forward despite all the odds against you
Together we are stronger. Is that where you going at?
And i have to tell you from experience, when actually carrying stuff. dispersing the weight between your hands is much more preferred, since then you can disperse it to both side of the spine.
I think your analogy is missing something
libido is a funny thing
it can lead you to make
poor choices
sex & love do not necessarily go together
we all want love
this deserves a whole page
its getting complicated
I like you
Not in the way discussed in the video
i like the way he explains things
People talk about IQ but I've never seen an IQ test administered in any school ever. Not even talked about. They don't even talk about SAT scores or GPA in the same way so I'm really confused how professionals measure intelligence.
normalguycap - because IQ is too controversial. Certain races score better than others. Also, men have higher peak scores. (And lower lows). Not socially acceptable.
I was tested in 3rd grade. It freaked my teacher out, and we were never told what the test was for or what our results were. I figured it out years later.
I just had thid conversation yesterday. The iq test is mentioned everywhere but is not easily acquired.
has anyone read the Millionaire Next Door. its a bit old 1996. but 1 of the main points he makes is that successful millionaires are faithfully married and they tend to run things together says that both partners are disciplined, faithful, usually have many kids, and both take wealth seriously as a means of financial stability in times of plenty and crisis. clearly these are 2 different types of ppl. does this Millionaire Next Door still exist?
I love how he spoke mostly about women loving dangerous men, and all the guys came away from this video focussing on the money part, which was a footnote. Stop putting words in his mouth.
he did say estimated 50 percent of women care about money in a relationship. did you watch the video?
Dangerous?
Men with money can be dangerous -.-
Status
I'm just trying to wrap my head around someone sleeping with 15,000 women in their lifetime, like how many in a day? All at once? One at a time?
That is a bullshit number, its hyperbole that's something like one women a day for 40 years. Even if he just had sex with them with no buildup the act itself would be a full time job.
While I think it is probably somewhat bullshit I could see something like it happening. All you would have to do is get to be comfortable with it. Anytime he wants sex he just needs to go to a crowded area and one girl will be ready and willing. If men can jerk off 5 times a day then bigtime NBA players can have sex with 5 women a day.
Jhonny sins a pornstar only had "2000"
Even gene simmons, only has like 3000. A hypersexual rock star... 15,000 is impossible.
Dschingis Khan has 16 million descendants alive today.
I'm gay and move in social circles of gay and straight people alike. This explains why gay male couples of very different education and status seem to be much more common than among straight couples in my experience. I'd always thought it was because gay men had so few potential sexual partners that they simply made the best of it with the men they were able to find. Peterson makes me think that there's more to it than that. Gay men, being men, may really not care about money and status in relationships as much, or in the same way, as women do.
Men, straight or gay or trans, don't give a shit whether you're rich or poor. Maybe it's a bonus, but it's not a defining factor. If talking exclusively about sex, 99 guys out of 100 (no matter if hetero or gay) will want to bang a hot girl/guy over a very ugly old woman/man who has lots of money. Women's brains don't work that way, and many of them are willing to rather bang a fat, smelly, balding 60 year old than an attractive 25 year old, if the 60 year old has enough money.
Excellent observation Dodge. Curious if maybe women weren't historically oppressed and dealing with power lnequality , if they would focus as much on trying to glean financial resources from their mate, who in straight relations, is the male, in a better sociological advantage due to a patrilineally society. Seems a survival choice out of oppression to me.
We are not talking about a cultural trait here. Females try to extract resources from men even in rainforest Amazon tribes which are completely untouched by modern society.
@@darkzerk7 😂😂😂😂
@@darkzerk7 because men are the providers for the offspring. Women take care of the kids first hand, their health and the emotional environment, the home and the cleanliness. Gay couples do not have this imperative, they do not think about procreation and the survival of their offspring.
Do you have the study he was using?
I tend to think that both MGTOW and the feminists go too far on this topic; MGTOW seems to think that women should not get to have any standards when selecting a mate and feminists seem to think that men having standards is sexist....
no no no it is not like that.
feminism has resentment towards men and standards and all that shit.
MGTOWs do not give a fuck.
MGTOW is self preservation,
ranging from financial to spiritual.
Aaron Barr MGTOW is the feminism for dudes. The both cry about the same things and both believe they are better off alone. They are both equally toxic.
owl - The problem is not that a cat is a cat. That is okay. The problem is that it is sold as a dog.
Yes
the thing about this research i have difficulty understanding: did they take into account the lack of some persons' desires to have many sexual partners? Because that seems like a pretty important variable to me, and as one that would potentially change the conclusions of the research. Who says everyone wants to sleep with as many people as possible?
3 years later but in response to your question, it is true that not everyone aims to sleep with as many people as possible. However, there is no reason to believe that there is any variability in how many sexual partners one wishes to have with an increasing SES. Therefore the general trend is still reliable.
Let's be honest, aside from emotions, we marry people who will helpful in our survival.
Im more rational than empathetic, ambitious, non conformist, and extroverted. After watching a bit of Prof Peterson's videos, I think my husband is drawn to me because he's a people pleaser and he needs someone to say no on his behalf. He also needs someone to get him out of his comfort zone. I on the other hand have chosen him because he makes me want to be a better person and because he's easy to be get along with, which in turn makes me more likeable as a human being. Hahaha
What most simps, feminist fe/males, white-knights, betas and conservative guys fail to realize: bad boys provide excitement, novelty, unpredictability and fun (fear, roller-coaster drama) to a new level. In other words, stability and commitment (no longer) won't cut it for today's 🦄. Why is that? Before she was your girlfriend, wife or lover, she already had been "run through" so many guys. And each time she slept with someone (both wo/men), she lost a part of her psyche, well-being or mind/soul/spirit. In other words, she is no longer able to have emotional attachment in a healthy or committed way.
Cardi B. artist & role model for the most privilege 🦄 on the entire planet:
“My music is always going to make a woman feel like a bad bitch. When you make a woman feel like she’s the baddest bitch in the room, to me, that’s female empowerment.”
Feminist's Ideology from Sheryl Sandberg, chief operating officer of Facebook:
"My advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier."
Isaiah 3:12
*Childish* leaders oppress my people, and *women* rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you; they send you down the wrong road.
Proverbs 31:3
Don't give your strength (attention, resources, mental point origen) to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.
Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
*Sex and Culture* by Joseph Daniel Unwin
*The Rational Male Series* by Rollo Tomassi
*The Manipulated Man* by Esther Vilar
*The Myth of Male Power* by Warren Farrell
*The Feminist Lie: It Was Never About Equality* by Bob Lewis
*Anatomy of Female Power* by Chinweizu Ibekwe
*Men on Strike* by Helen Smith
*Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars: An Introductory Programing Manual* by Anonymous
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There's a big chance that you don't know _real_ reasons, but that is how your brain rationalize them.
@@BG-sq7zf we don't provide shit, we just do stuff cuz we feel like it. Stop overthinking it
sex is not love
obvious i know
but it needs to be said
i feel like for me getting a mate isn't enough to motivate me, there is something Greater that i subject myself to. however, i do think that it's relevant because i reallyyyy loveeee women ;)
it's soooo hard just to pick one :)
Finally, the answer to the age old question, "what women want".
The point is: you want respect and someone who's funny FOR HOW LONG?
Maybe for 2-3 years, till you get bored and continues seek for a rich guy.
No, you want someone who's funny and has a certain bank account balance. You don't give a shit about a respecful and funny guy with $500 to his name. That's how your brain works. You don't care about the person himself, you care about their financial status.
And the age-old answer: "a provider".
Im a man. I have friends, i have family, im financially stable, extremely independent, sociable, outgoing, persistant, responsible, and respectful when deserved. So my question is what can a woman offer a man that he cannot aquire himself? The answer to that is and always will be the basis of any relationship.
A question posed by duplicitous women's magazines. It has always been clear: money and power. Which is the incidentally the only reason men care anything about money or power: to attract women.
This is true awakening, insane lifestyle of humans.
That initial assumption (00:57) is a really big assumption and one I'd at least somewhat disagree with, which then makes the conclusions about mate choice a bit pointless without further evidence. All these findings are super open to interpretation far as I can tell and he's just gone down one path and not fully explained why or properly backed up his arguments. Plus, this is only one study. One study is not gonna provide the definitive answer to the title of this video. I'm kind of disappointed that so many people in the comments instantly took this as proof of something.
It should be important to note that mating preference does not necessarily equal mate choice.
Idk. Where I live fat people get together. Old people get together. Meth heads get together. Ghetto people get together. All types of people find love. Men and women may WANT certain things and try to look for certain traits. But at the end of the day only a few really get what they want. Rarely people get their first choice. But it can still work out.
Jane Madison people choose the best partner they can get: for men it means 'the hottest girl' and for women it means the 'guy with the most resources'
If you are a guy, take $500 and go to The Erotic Review. You'll get exactly what you want. Read the reviews.
Jane Madison because they settle but if they could have their choice it would be align with Peterson
Fat person dates a fat person because a slim person most likely wont date them.
What most simps, feminist fe/males, white-knights, betas and conservative guys fail to realize: bad boys provide excitement, novelty, unpredictability and fun (fear, roller-coaster drama) to a new level. In other words, stability and commitment (no longer) won't cut it for today's 🦄. Why is that? Before she was your girlfriend, wife or lover, she already had been "run through" so many guys. And each time she slept with someone (both wo/men), she lost a part of her psyche, well-being or mind/soul/spirit. In other words, she is no longer able to have emotional attachment in a healthy or committed way.
Cardi B. artist & role model for the most privilege 🦄 on the entire planet:
“My music is always going to make a woman feel like a bad bitch. When you make a woman feel like she’s the baddest bitch in the room, to me, that’s female empowerment.”
Feminist's Ideology from Sheryl Sandberg, chief operating officer of Facebook:
"My advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier."
Isaiah 3:12
*Childish* leaders oppress my people, and *women* rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you; they send you down the wrong road.
Proverbs 31:3
Don't give your strength (attention, resources, mental point origen) to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.
Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
*Sex and Culture* by Joseph Daniel Unwin
*The Rational Male Series* by Rollo Tomassi
*The Manipulated Man* by Esther Vilar
*The Myth of Male Power* by Warren Farrell
*The Feminist Lie: It Was Never About Equality* by Bob Lewis
*Anatomy of Female Power* by Chinweizu Ibekwe
*Men on Strike* by Helen Smith
*Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars: An Introductory Programing Manual* by Anonymous
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A women want a man that is both supportive, understanding and can help her with her kids. But she also want a badass worrior that can protect her etc. So, for a female to be fully statisfied she should have two different men, because to have one man that has all these desired attributes is really hard to find.
Why is the commercial before this video MTV's decoded?!
Cool blazer with back pleat! Just like Bilbo Baggins.
Sexual selection (fertilisation) is different from parter choice (long term).
this is the information that`s often not talked about by academics. Most likely because they themself has a low short term mating score and their ego can`t handle it. They always obsess about talking of status/wealth/IQ. But reality is that in a club people select on looks/confidence. On the dating apps it`s maby 90% on looks both ways. Most men and women wont admit that womens short term selection is on looks and not on wealth/education. This " insider information", and the fact that psycologys hidden meaning that Freud was talking about that the human brain creates the ego so we can interact in sosiety with thousands ( millions) of individuals to hide our violent and sexual impullses. What both men and women STILL find most sexy ( short term mating), is what these primitiv instincts want.
@@Ikaros23 yes replication of the species is instinct driven. For that you'll want good genes and thus good looks and a healhy body, but also attractive behavior.
I'm a women and I'm not attracted to statut, at all. I'm more attracted to maturity, physical appearance and abilities (like playing music, having passions, communication abilities...)
There's also like a concept of charm, presence I'm searching for.
Well how old are you? A 18 yo women And a 25 yo women will not be looking for the same thing
@@thefeelingofunfair4052 I'm at least 3 years older than when I posted that comment and today I'd say I'm attracted to good looking strong, caring men, who are humble and intelligent, and can appreciate me just as much as I can appreciate them. And can carry an interesting conversation and are open minded.
Things like money are necessary to survive and practical, so it is something I would consider but not something I am inherently attracted to. Someone who has a high statue can be admirable if he's admired for his good qualities. So it's not the statue itself it's the reason why he is admired. I prefer a poor man with a king heart than a rich greedy man.
Some men actually want only one life partner, and not to sleep with as many women as possible... I think it's called standards.
Depends on their status.
If their status is low enough, they would be lucky to even find one.
And that is all they ask for......
Does love matter at all in all these equations?
I find it hard to believe that women only judge men on their ability to make money. Sexual attraction also plays an important role for women. For example, men under 6 foot are 4 times less likely to get married than men above 6 foot, irrespective of their income. Then there's penis size, hair, build, racial preferences. I think attraction is very multifaceted and from my own experience, it's a bit preposterous to say women only care about male utility. But I do agree men judge women primarily on their looks.
He never said ONLY. Utility (your usefulness) trumps physical attributes every time. And utility is a sexual attribute, just like compassion, fearlessness and intelligence. the sexes just weight them differently
Woman chiming in here. I'd say Aristotle's concept of the mean is important here. On the one hand you could have a man who's arrogant, macho, manipulative, selfish, etc., and on the other hand you could have a desperate, insecure, whining man. Both characters are repulsive to me as potential romantic partners. What really does it for me is a man (or woman, in my case, as I'm bisexual) who's assertive and stands up for what's right at least most of the time, confident but not arrogant with a healthy sense of self worth, brave but not fearless (or foolhardy), kind/compassionate, charming but not manipulative (just funny, clever, etc.), intelligent, etc.
I'd say these are the kinds of traits that will make any healthy, well-adjusted, psychologically balanced person happy with their partner, regardless of sex.
Protect and provide.
It's that simple.
@Back Space None of those character traits matter if they come in the form of a broke war veteran or someone with a few hundred dollars to their name. Just admit it. Having 500 million in the bank will trump 99,99% of all character traits for most women. Women will even sleep with killers, psychopaths, gangsters, war criminals, drug dealers, if they have high enough socioeconomic status.
I never said I'm rich. I'm well off due to inheritances but I'm not 'rich' like the people who buy a new yacht or vacation home every year. I still deal with golddiggers on a monthly basis because I'm a social person who wants to meet new people. It is exhausting. You would not believe how many women are out there just looking to extract resources out of a guy no matter how he got them.
I don't know why does that hurt me, as a woman.
Why are these only short excerpts? Where's the full lecture?
At 6:15 he talks about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar being with 10,000 women. It was Wilt Chamberlain, not Kareem. And Wilt claimed to be with 20,000.
So if I become a math teacher, I’ll never find love?
Neotonous explains manga perfectly.......suddenly all that crazness makes sense.
If all you are getting is the money factor you are only getting about 10-20% of the whole idea even though that is the easiest variable to pick out
Not Kareem, Wilt "the Stilt" Chamberlain. Kareem was a Star Trek fan with the Skyhook. Damn Hockeyheads up there.
Quality over quantity.
Both ?
Questions (legit informative AND logical responces appreciated):
so 200 years ago given the economic ploit of the average person (BOTH male and female) across the globe was living off $1 per day (ppl were dead beat poor), of course women will want a man of wealth (which he usually inherited) for literally every reason except "love." it was this way for thousands of years and forever UNTIL America liberated women. Sooooo concerning modern living conditions where the average American woman is LITERALLY wealthy compared to the majority of the world AND entertainment constantly entices us with either the disney Cinderella OR Elsa stories... it seems that we literally need to biologically adjust to this entirely new and complex system (that effects EVERY aspect of our being). because obviously the 2 extremes (Cinderella and Elsa) mindsets are not applicable in this current real world. so how do we change our mindsets?
and what should the goals of our new mindsets be?
this might appear to be a rediculous situation we're in, but it also presents a new way of "guiding" the gene pool... could it be that this current condition of being offers a better way to exist, have kids and biuld a future... but much of us just dont have any idea how to guide that...
How is it possible this man know so much about everything?
read, and study, and follow in the footsteps of those you admire
The basketball player is Wilt Chamberlin, not Kareem Abdul Jabar. Just to clear that up.
I think there's something in what JP is saying, but here's an alternative hypothesis: there are a disproportionate number of hyper-obsessive men. This is partly why there are both more male billionares and more male serial killers.
This hypothesis explains asexual hyper-successful men, or those who forgo the opportunity to fully take advantage of their status in order to keep on doing what obsesses them.
More male serial killers with this logic is incredible flawed. More male serial killers can almost be summed up with one word “testosterone”
@@TheNickademas1 testosterone levels have absoloute no correlatation with whether someone is more likey to commit murder or not.
@@gmann8659 do some more research and hit me back
Just to be clear I am not saying testosterone does not cause people to act more aggressively or violently but it does not cause people to commit acts of premeditated murder. I already know the research you are referring to and its outdated, there is literally no recent studies on this topic. Its also pretty easy to disprove - there would be a disproportionate number of serial killer bodybuilders if your theory was correct as they constantly have supraphysiological levels of testosterone. Therefore clearly its something else in the brain that causes people to become murderers.
Isn't it Wilt Chamberlain, not kareem?
Rukawasendoh117 yeah that's a big slander....Even if by accident.
What is the source of this study?
Oh boy, I think this is highly relevant 🤔
This is quite interesting. I am never interested in guys who aren't emotionally invested in me. I am very very careful about guys who seem to be showing off their wealth. I know that puts me off a lot.
Also very careful about men that try to hit on me without knowing me (which happened a lot). I find that those guys tend to do it to other women too.
In conclusion, i think i am trying to make sure that my man stays loyal to me and doesn't cheat :D
No human is as sexy as peace, wilderness and solitude
As he said before......attraxtice for men= 2 circles and a triangle.
Different people find different things attractive at different periods. This is really contextual depending a myriad of factors. It is possible for Bohemian musician like myself to sleep with a so-called "high status" women who society would stereotypically associate with a high flying profession such as finance, stockbroking, information technology or law. This talk is also blatantly heteronormative and doesn't account for attraction as experienced by homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, asexual, genderqueer and non-conforming people. As anecdotal as it may sound, social status doesn't factor as much into attraction as personality and social and emotional intelligence.
I employ a long checklist to select my partners. Here it is, in it's entirety:
1. Female
2. Young
3. Hot
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My man 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But women age sir, unless you plan on constantly seeking young women.
Women choose longevity, men choose fertility.
Some men choose both.
No, women choose money.
No, women just choose material resources i.e. money + status.
It wasn't Kareem with 10,000 women. Wrong L.A. Laker center. It was Wilt Chamberlain with 20,000. But hey.
He said "Questions?" I was like "No". Gonna take me a week just to understand what you just said.
I'm a woman, Aramean (meaning we are mentioned in Genesis). I am a General Counsel for 4 companies. I am a lawyer and a social worker and speak 5 languages fluently, lived in 4 countries.... and I am not a feminist and I love Jordan. Praying God will let me meet a man. Not a weak man. Lol.. my female friends get furioussssss when I say women should not be put on a pedestal. We are equal but we have different roles in creation. God has order.
Yeah but now good are the looks.
I'd choose a cute dumb girl if she was also kinda nice.
I think he missed one big thing.
People who will work 90 hrs per week 50 years in a row are probably not the ones with "normal" psychology.
Hard working and callous people in financial sector are often psychopaths who take it as a game and have the same attitude towards family (to show off) or sex (to score as many beautiful women as possible).
People who work hard with or without financial gain, meaning it is not the reason in itself, are often on autism spectrum and feel annoyed when they have to share their attention between work/science and family/personal life. They often really enjoy doing one thing and are extremely bothered when something disturbs their work, because getting into or out of an activity takes a lot of effort.
There are more men than women on the autism spectrum and this can explain why there are so many men working 90h per week or doing science, although almost all women who do that are also autistic (or psycho/sociopaths).
I am also an autistic female and couldn't imagine having a family, children or even sex. Having to share my room or bed with other people or working in an open space office is absolute hell for me. Autism and asexuality are linked, so it is probably true that many hard working people are actually not motivated by having more sexual partners.
I completely disagree. (Hyper)industrious people have this unexplainable urge to spend every second of their time working towards a specific goal, usually because they are striving for success. Success in this case can mean many things, not just financial success. Elon Musk, for example, isn't motivated to work for money (since he already has billions of it). So the question is, why does he continue working 90 hour work weeks? Even after he has admitted it hurts him? The world will never know...
beggars can't be choosers.
frequency of simultaneous partners ? does that mean polyamorous relationships ? affairs ? I don't understand what he means.
wilt Chamberlain was 10k, allegedly. not kareem
You're right, but Wilt said 20K
Na na 19,999 bitc...
No it was allegedly 20k but he later said “What’s a zero between friends” implying its more like 2,000
I just don't understand how that's even possible.
Must be more like 2k.
20,000/40 years = 500 different women per year, or about 10 different women per week. I just don't see how any man could keep this up from age 15 to 55.
its either you buy her intimacy or you have the ability to make her want to give you her intimacy.
Most men Talk about money here though, unfortunately. They should learn the subtle art of not giving a fuck and they will be fine.
I prefer a woman's personality to her beauty if I'm seeking a long term serious relationship. Beauty takes the second place. If I'm looking for something not serious, then beauty matters, but even then I prefer a more passional woman.
Reductively: Women are seen as objects of beauty, Men are seen as objects of strength (financial success being proxy for strength post-industrial revolution)
Brutally honest with no place to hide. Ouch for both sexes.
Yes, I love this about intelligent men. Because they have something valuable up there, they dont need to lie to get some Kompensation for the lack of IT.
His weakness and his appeal is his ability to neat around the Bush. You know what he's trying to say, but he won't say it.
Wilt Chamberlin my friend NOT Kareem
so it would make sense that as someone under eighteen, finding someone smart to be especially attractive could easily be biologically tied to the the want of a successful partner... and as such, not as innocent as it would seem.
TL note: cute means kawaii
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Lul
I love this man and his lectures but let me save you 7 minutes: hot young women like men who are a bit older, powerful, smart, and rich - and vice versa.
I don't understand the statistics he's putting forward nor how he interprets them, can anyone help?
Anyone have the source he's quoting in the video?
I see alot of comments misconstruing what's being said.The criteria
given to the women in the study was laid out in the beginning. It was
very plain. It said "Possession of resources", any other terms are
extrapolations the individual. "There are many types of success" is not
even a point in the debate or is it debatable but,if that's not being
questioned,it's pointless to include it because it changes the focus of the
the exercise. The second part I see no one talking about "in here so far"
which deserves and should be more scrutiny, Bluntly put,women like
whores of men. There many dynamics outside of the topic that are
relevant too. Add casual sex or a really screwed up society and the
whole model can break down.
That's why I will always be single...
Celebrate it! So much time for lots of other things!
Do anyone has the source of that study ?
There are many rewards to being industrious - money, fame, freedom, satisfaction of providing both for family and society, satisfaction of being an innovator or somehow important. The men way out on the Pareto distribution probably just see women as another reward (a big one but not the only one) and are not necessarily compelled by the need to impress, and therefore get, a lot of woman.
But I mean what the fuck do I know.
This is wild
health in women
money in men.
the simple formula
Women do not have to be healthy, men do not have constraints on there reproduction, they can have an infinite number of children so they will have sex with anyone, women are the only ones who are selective because they are limited in how many children they can have.
I was a dead broke hippy/biker trash and I got lots of love. What were they thinking.?
Some men have a natural sex appeal. They are good looking, they have a certain level of confidence, etc. Girls like bad boys
It was Wilt Chamberlain, not Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Both great Basketball players
I understand the Science of it... But how about we see men and women for who they are based on when we meet them and not going in generalizing them... I'm a Bit male and that's how I go off... But more power to you guys and good luck ✊🏿
Well it's also about evolution. Some people have ancestors that prioritized wealth highly and had succesfull offspring. Some people have ancestors that prioritized looks highly and had succesfull offspring. This will in some way also determine the preferences of those living today.
Also people seem to overrate wealth. Remember what happened in Russia with the tzar and his family. That's right everyone was put in the grave children as well.
This thing happened all the time. Whenever a kingdom lost to another kingdom the former king and all of his family was searched for and removed from life.
Generelly speaking history has been filed with how temporary wealth is.
ha... i must be doing something wrong. I'm relatively high status as a uni prof and getting... nothing
Well, high status compared to whom. You need a way to "show" your status to women, i.e A car, watch, etc.
stop teaching 90% male courses x.D
Pitmirk Hate to break the news to you, but universsity profs no longer hold the societal status they once had in our increassingly dumbed down, materialist society in which the middle class is entranced more by and seekss to emulate ghetto street culture than intellectual/upper class/ "higher" culture.
CJ, thanks. Not wholly news... we don't do much "intellectual" at uni anymore
Pitmirk You're welcome. I'm a uni prof myself and only left my previous post because your original post pretty clearly implied an expectation of status in general, and of the kind that might pull women in particular, attaching to your occupation (the fact that universities have largely become propaganda and diploma mills not worthy of de facto societal respect is a significant reality to consider, but it's not one that consciously and directly affects the values and mating choices of most young women). Anyway, I have had several opportunities to hook up with significantly younger, attractive undergrads on campus that I, pre-marriage, on selective occasions (discretion is required in these pc times) availed myself of, though never with girls that were presently in my classes...but I think it had little to do with status as a prof per se, as I could and did sometimes engage in flings or hookups with women of the same age that I had met in bars, cafes, etc. Occupation, unless you're a rock star or a pro athlete (or a rapper for the two digit iq, grew up without a dad set), matters little to women who aren't thinking yet of settling down. The more unimaginable hitting the wall appears to them (up to 25 yo or so these days), the less a man's ability to provide resources matters, and the more his personality, confidence, and looks take center stage. Yes, maybe this should be obvious, too, but it clearly is not to many of the guys commenting on this page
Jordan Peterson hasn't considered how what we consider to be beautiful has changed a lot throughout history. The desirable body used to be a man's... now women's bodies are all over the media. It used to be strong noses, now it's small. Sometimes it's small breasts and sometime's it's big breasts. It changes. Thin eyebrows, thick eyebrows, etc. Tall, short. Fat or curvy vs. thin. It's not locked into genetics, it's not due to evolution. I would say it's social and cultural.
I would have to disagree with you there and say what is instinctually considered beautiful isnt all that subjective.There are things like a low WHR, softer facial features, fat in the right places, youth etc that are considered beautiful because they are clear indicators of fertility.At the end of the day the more fertile you look the beautiful you are considered.Even though beauty in the media changes it always advocates these things that signal fertility.
I have to admit I think society can play a role in our perception of beauty to an extent.High status men overlook what they find attractive instinctually and go for what society finds attractive.Back in the 90s a high status guy would probably go for a skinny girl even if he prefered curvy.This is because the more his arm candy looks like society's version of beautiful the more clearly he can signal his socio-economic status to other males.I think this is why you see the high status men with models.Of course models have the top genes so they instinctually find them attractive but I dont always think thats why they are together.Even if he messes with the chicks who he founds more attrative (based on biology e.g genes are a better fit)the societally beautiful one always becomes the trophy wife/girlfriend ... a manifestation of his status.So yes society plays an important role.
But it certainly isn't the most important factor and beauty is not subjective.
The beautiful have top genes in the first place to be considered beautiful by society, beauty ( in the sense that it is fundamentally primal) doesn't change.
It's disgusting to think that some men use women as props to show off to other men.
I became very cynical. We worked for a Fortune 1000 getting a San Francisco salary in a sleepy valley town for a client who had an abundance of female employees. We only had to mention we were going skiing and who met us uninvited? Married too. We were a couple of suits.
I think everyone is different, choices made by them depends on their behaviour, and behaviour dependes of the situation(circumstances in life) . In my opinion theres no point in answering the why question, people personally will tell you why they married someone, you cant classify people with absurd tests... Sad but thats what I think, thats why I dont think psychology is actually scientific, its scientific in some parts like conductism for example, but in the rest it is just like a holy bible for living. Really clumping up different people into one big mountain isnt gonna get you to the moon, but only make them die, like all the other variables die inside them. You might say:"yea but those variables do not affect" everything affects, just because you dont take it into consideration doesnt mean that the person youre evaluating didnt take that into account.
u conduct psychology every time you interact with a human
big eyes ,small nose,cute moves
Those men were otaku?
:)
"Cute things also have random movements"
"Just think of a teddy bear"
Men want a possessed teddy bear...? So a Furby?
Men will fuck a silicone rubber tube or even their own hand while looking at anime girls. Draw your own conclusions.
He used the teddy bear as an example of something cute that men DON'T want, pay attention next timr
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y is the camera man right fkn on him, give him some space bruh so u don't have to keep movin the gotdam camera
I think he meant Wilt Chamberlain (not Kareem Abdul Jabbar).