Rolls, Rickson, Renzo or Roger Gracie - Who was the best?
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2020
- We asked Mauricio, out of Rolls, Rickson, Renzo and Roger, who do you think was the best in your mind?
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I love how he stayed humble in his answer but made sure he gave his son the props he deserves.
His English is absolutely amazing. He is the best English Brazilian I’ve ever seen!
Check out Ricardo Liborio. Can’t even tell he’s 🇧🇷
Thought exactly the same thing
Roger: Gi and No-Gi assassin! His run at ADCC 2005 was epic, submitting all his opponents. In the absolute he went through: Aoki, Werdum, Xande, and Jacare during the most stacked who’s-who of grappling ever. No pressure...just make everyone tap.
Roger wasn’t great in mma
This guy is a LEGEND !!! Thanks Mauricio !!!
Thank you Mr. Gomes. Wise words. They are all champions of their era!
Honestly this is true of any sport or field. The guys who came before laid the blueprint for the next guys. No Gordon Ryan without Gracie, pick whichever one. Same thing with Basketball or Football. Let's just agree this is such a beautiful art with so many wonderful personalities and talents.
Well said! Agreed 100%
All this time i been saying Hoger. But if his pop is saying Roger then i guess its Roger
Roger doesn’t mind and people call him both here in London. ‘Hoger’’ is correct in Portuguese
All of them are legends...
proud papa, humble heart. love this guy
Mauricio a class act always. Insightful interview
Wise man wise words great master and my brother ! I’m proud of you !
That was a fascinating listen! Never knew this part of Gracie history
I had a chance to train with Mauricio and Roger in 2003 -4 in London. I am from Alliance MMA/Team Jacare'. Great time and great instructions. Roger is great.
I used to train will alliance in london until 2002. I trained will roger and Mauricio in 2001 when Roger was a purple I think
He's the first Gracie I met with good English.
Rorion also speaks english very well, but Mauricio has almost impeccable english, but he isn't a gracie, he married into the gracie family
@@prodigypenn So that means Roger isn’t a Gracie neither?
@@mannyclav technically he is since his mom is part of the Gracie family
@@prodigypenn okay, so he definitely is part of the bloodline, I think it’s wrong that he uses the Gracie last name.
@@mannyclav why wrong?
This was great to watch, the evolution of Jiu-Jitsu is rapid🤙
Oss
Yes, you can compare.
This is pure GOLD
that was amazing your being humble roger is the greatest of all time no questions
Rolls was THE GREATEST ~HANDS DOWN.
I agree,,their in different era....but they are all great..
Muito bom!
Roger, no doubt at all. Any era he would have still been the best.
Carlson's first and 2nd Rolls for how greatly they transformed BJJ
Its roger obviously based purely on compete results
Rickson would be the greatest but rolls did develop Rickson into a better fighter
Análise perfeita e racional
Great answer. It all depends in what regards too. Jiu jitsu, MMA, Vale Tudo.
I agree with Mauricio's point about judging fighters by the standards of their era; that said, Roger dominates all of them. That's just how sports progress. Jessie Owen's was the greatest sprinter of his era, but he would have been absolutely smoked by Usain Bolt if he had travelled to the Beijing Olympics in a time machine.
Mostly because of peds, not talent.
Not really. If you watch the TED talk about sports advances, specifically track surface technology, Bolt wins by an adjusted fraction of a second.
@@S0CD0C That's a really good point; thanks.
The greats of yesterday, would be great today. Whether it is Pete Rose or Babe Ruth in baseball or Oscar Robinson in basketball, the greats will rise to the top.
Not even remotely so. It was proven scientifically that Usain will be few hundreds faster than Owens.
Alguém traduz aí por favor 😢
Great point...vani compare in the time. So many blokes who say Rickson never fought anyone of high level.....the time. Rickson set the standard for well oiled fighters. Hence, this new generation. The time.... the key point this man brought to light.... the time.
Time will tell how many times you said time....
There are 2 questions. Best fighter and best at ju jitsu. I think Hickson is the best fighter of the 3 but for ju jitsu we need to let them grapple withneach other to find out. I think that Hickson has something that the others dont. He was more rounded and fearless. His mental game is incredibld. But i think they are all great. They put their hearts into bjj. Roger is my favorite person of them all. He shoukd have fought Buschesha mors often. Fans would love it. Roger has something special just like Rickson, but less ego. Rickson is so confident that he wins with the energy of his confidence. He never lost. And that includes mma. He destroyed everyone he fought, yes,destroyed
Do you think Rickson has a big ego? I think his limited English in the past has possibly made him misunderstood in this area. He is/was confident absolutely, but he is a very fair guy. He could have destroyed Yuki Nakai during that tournament after Yuki was eye gouged by Gerard Gordeau, but Rickson saw this and actually went out of his way not to target the eye. Pretty damn merciful would you not agree?
Rickson is a legend
MAURICIO Tudo Bem.... Respect !! I am 63 and in great shape since I was a kid... I train everyday 1 1/2 hours every day... I am very flexible... AM I TOO OLD TO PLAY (LEARN) BJJ ??
No, you're not that old. Go ahead!
A nem véi cadê a legenda!!!!!
Mario Sperry said watching Royce Gracie compete was like going to a museum of Gracie Jui-Jitsu.
Did he mean that as a slight against Royce?
@@vedder10 LOL! Of course. He's saying Royce Grace didn't know more modern Jui-Jitsu.
@@davidtice4972 It's funny though that Rickson and that side of the family tend to stick to fundamental old-school techniques. Roger has been successful with that basic BJJ. I guess it depends on the focus of fighting vs competition.
@@vedder10 That sounds like a good excuse as any to not evolve and learn new techniques. Not do leglocks etc. LOL
@@davidtice4972 having fewer techniques can help increase your speed of reaction and also your ability to strategize and set up your attacks. Also, keep in mind that organized sport has trends that everybody knows and practices for, so if one guy is playing a different game from the rest, this can actually be more difficult to react to. 'Evolution' is not necessarily superior, but contextual, both in biology and in martial arts.
A friend of mine says he saw in person Rickson beat Royce using only his feet.
Very few people would argue against that.
It's fairly well documented that Royce was not among the top Gracie fighters at the time. The family chose him to fight in the UFC to showcase that a smaller framed un-athletic jujitsu practitioner could dominate bigger fighters from other disciplines. Rickson was a physical specimen. If he had fought in the early UFC it wouldn't have had the same affect on promoting the sport. I'm picking Roger as the best btw.
@@socalastarte6727 nahh that's for the media, the reality was that Rorion didn't want Rickson fighting in the UFC because he couldn't control Rickson and remember Rickson is just 5'10 he had a atletic body, but he was definitely a small guy in comparison with Ken Shamrock, Gerard Gordeau, Dan Severn and so on. By the way, before the UFC he was the go-to guy for the familie when they had challenges like this.
@@lgporra Watch Rickson in the late 90s fighting in Japan in the early Pride FC shows.He was a freak
@@lgporra yeah I don't believe it either
Ive heard 2 different stories. The promoter, art what's his name (davey?)...said rickson wanted to much money.
I've also heard that at the time, rickson had just left gracie torrance to open up a school nearby, upsetting rorion.
I don't believe that whole thing either. Yes, rickson was better built...but let's not pretend he's some giant of a man. Royce is actually taller
We never ever must to think we are the best. How could we make this sure? Put it in test everyday.? In everytime? In everywhere? With everybody? Regarding that life is umpredictable. God made every life only one. If you look at a leaf from a tree, another leaf though equal is not just equal at all.Every being has their own particularities. The main thing is that the whole us, sharing our skills each other are what make all us grow up and evolve mostly.
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This is a stupid questions, and a good answer. Strictly rolling, objectively, Roger. He's most accomplished (competition wise), he's fought more advanced opponents, and he'd win one-on-one duels with all of them due to his size. This is not surprising, since he had an advantage of building on the shoulders of everyone who preceded him.
There is no contest, in pure BJJ Rickson was the best in his time, and Roger in recent times. But Roger's skills are built on those that came before him, and there is no doubt in terms of performance, Roger is the best. Rickson probably is the most knowledgable on Jiu-jitsu, but Roger surpassed him. NHB/MMA is something different altogether, Renzo had more fights. But Rickson would easily manhandle Renzo in BJJ. But what is not mentioned is that in sport BJJ, Royler was one of the best in his era, competed in a time when BJJ was exploding and was undeated for over 12 years in his weight division. Royler was better than all of them in Sport BJJ, but Rickson could tap Royler multiple times whenever they trained. That's how good Rickson was. Rickson could submit every Gracie brother and all the Machados, including Rigan. Rickson submitted everyone he faced in Sport BJJ including Carlson's guys he competed against. Rickson and Roger are the best Gracies ever bar none. At sport BJJ, Royler simply because of his compeition record. In MMA, it would have to go to Renzo for who he faced but he was nowhere near the best Gracie in the family art. In modern times, for pure BJJ, probably the best Gracie outside of Roger is actually Ryron Gracie. Stellar technique.
People sleep on Relson, but he was the Brazilian National Champion for like 20 straight years or something crazy and didn't lose a fight in his weight or open.
@@wildcat31772 I know very well about Relson, but Rickson could beat Relson, and I think there may be some tall tales when it comes to his undefeated record in Brazil. Relson amazing, though.
Best answer,Time...the universal truth
Coloque uma Legenda em Português Mestre.
I'd like to see a Gracie vs JCVD
Rickson Gracie said that he was better then Rolls Gracie. .
Rickson said that in the last 10 training sections and hard sparring with Rolls Gracie he Rickson knew that he got it that he was best then Rolls ..
I found that hard to belive cause the Gracies always said that in the Rolls live time there wasn't anyone better ..
But Rickson Gracie thinks differently. . Rickson also said that he won and finished Rolls in a hard fight that they had in their father's ranch. .. well I don't know what to think about it. ..
rickson was 20 to 30 pounds heavier that rolls
@@frankjames2547 yes ok but during all the sparring they did together Rolls finished him all those times except once , and because of that one time , Rickson is better than Rolls? ?
That's my point ... if it was 50/50 I could understand his thinking but he wins once and for that he thinks he's better ??
Even Crolin Grace sayed that Rickson can't prove that ... and all family says the same thing. .. Rolls died unbeatable. .. so I don't know.
there is a point where the student learns all the tricks from the master...rickson was not only the strongest physically but the most fanatical its how he destroyed his body..spinal damage hes done was it worth it?????
@@frankjames2547 yes you got a point there .. and we must remember that when Rolls died , Rickson had 18 or 19 years old. .. so he was brown belt at that time ..
Yeah in his book he respectfully said he was around the same as rolls and slightly better then him after beating him. It was also just after he got his black belt and had gotten better after that. Everyone who has rolled with Rickson says he was amazing and the best they had ever seen by far and they couldn't believe what they were dealing with, but a lot of it is legend because there's very little footage. Roger we know more about, so there's not real way to make a comparison between those two, especially since it was a different time period.
Renzo is the best at bringing people together. Just look at his line of students with Danaher and others. Rickson is the best gi practitioner of all time.
Best teacher by far. You look at his listado students. It’s incredible. When Roger was getting prepared to fight he went to Renzo. When Reylson’s son was going to fight he sent them to Renzo. He’s developed so many techniques in BJJ. He’s incredible.
Rickson was a true freak.
@teknomogul Danaher is a cripple?
Renzo just got lucky with John. Without John, Renzo would still be Renzo but his crew wouldn't be that noteworthy. 😬
Uma entrevista dessa , sobre ídolos do jj brasileiro em inglês.. complicado, poderia ter uma legenda
Concordo!
Sempre assim.
Eles mora nos Eua
@@warwarparente4213 Mora na Inglaterra.
Roger Gracie is the greatest of all time
Gordon Ryan: Hold my beer
@@sychophantt Roger never was submitted bro.
@@ramon1930 Hes scared to grapple Gordon
@@sychophantt Hahaha. Stop with mockery.
@@sychophantt Your boy even lost to Lo.
Roger put this to bed when he came back just to beat Buchecha because there was already talk Buchecha was better. He didn’t just beat him, he choked him so hard it caused Buchecha’s nose to bleed in about 5-6 minutes if my memory is correct. Was a dominant showing from my favorite bjj competitor and possibly the best ever.
Of course that might be different if I had tons of Rickson BJJ wins to watch but there are hardly any I’ve been able to find. If it wasn’t for the “Choke” documentary, I can only think of a handful of other Rickson fights out of the 300+ wins he claims (and probably has) If anyone knows of more, I’d buy that dvd in a second lol
Exactly. Debate was over right there.
In a tournament with Rolles, Rickson, Roger and Renzio; Renato would win.
Rolls
@@Cruyff1899 wrolls
Here is a rephrase: If they were all in their prime, who would be the best? No reason to avoid the question.
Roger wouldn't be where he is without Renzo. Renzo and Rickson without Rolls. Its the passing down and refining of knowledge that lets them be great.
But prime Renzo, Rickson, and Roger would prob beat Rolls. Technically they all possess the knowledge and skill of Rolls (and then some!). Harder to answer which is the best out of the three of them
@@EvosBasics Yea, the more evolved fighter has the advantage. I love Rocky Marciano, but I don't think he would last four rounds with Mike Tyson, if they fought during their prime.
I'm sure Roger would take any jujitsu(no strikes) match, among those 3. Not sure on the street fight.
@@michaelhardee7211 i would say rickson, he just seemingly has better technical knowledge and deep understanding of principles.
If it’s for the street Renzo all the way! Haha
@@michaelhardee7211if rocky lasted 4-5 rounds I reckon marciano would have a very good chance !
Rickson but don't let that guy loose on a bowl of oranges I want some Rick and 18 in one video. my favorite of the group you got there
My favorite biological Gracie is RENNER My favorite Gracie instructor all-time belongs to TCITY BO and all RG old gd get point across they all make jitsu fun to learn enjoy for any age person
What about Rocian ?? The
he said Gordon Ryan is the King
a ton of Gracies real name is Gomes
I like Rickson and I've no doubt that he was the best family member during his era but can his 400 plus undefeated record actually be proven? I mean do we have names of the people he fought? Call me cynical but it sounds very suspect to me.
Some people say if you count the beach scuffles, and the closed doors fights, the number should be a lot higher.
Even helio said it was bs lol
@@BJJANDMTG 🤣
Roger
roger in my opinion
Renato Laranja Taps the entire Gracie Clan in one night!!!!!! Hahahahaha
rickson d best ask any gracie
You forgot Royce
We all know it was Rickson
Roger vs Gordon Ryan, no gi, who wins 2020?
Would love to see that. May the best man win if that ever happens
@@khonyeleaglefergumedov9175 I give edge to Roger it would be a great match
Gordon. Game as changed and the great leveler, the gi, won't be there.
Roger is my favorite competitor. But he is now a bit old to beat Gordon I guess..
@@16thChemical A bit old??? Roger is 38 and you consider that old? You probably thought the same thing when he beat Buchecha - BJJ requires skill not age. Rickson Gracie at 61 could still tap 3/4 of Black Belts today,
Bet it starts with an R ... 🤔
Rolls
Rolls only had one mma fight maybe he was the best gracie back then . Rickson never but never fought anyone good . Now let’s talk about renzo .... he beat Maurice Smith , Oleg taktarov plus he never picked Easy fights. Renzo e Royce are the best .
Ugh, another fucking idiot. Yeah dude, Rickson manhandled his brothers and cousins but yet somehow they were better than him. No matter that Renzo and Royce are the first to acknowledge his superiority.
Royce? Seriously?
Im a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu Roger is the Goat !!!!
Why is Renzo even being mentioned amongst Roll, Rickson and Roger...? Come on..
I think Renzo is the best coach of them, and the one who have more MMA fights.
In mma Reno’s would smoke Roger. That’s why.
Renzo was nearly as good as Rickson, that's why. ... That's coming from my old teacher, Cesar Gracie. He told me Rickson beats Renzo 3 out of 5 times. Rickson was the best. And Cesar was close to both of them. That's why it's interesting to me. The momentum that Renzo started - one of his students starting ADCC, another one being Danaher, Renzo had the first book out, the first GJJ video out, .. before his knee became an issue - he was on fire. But Rickson was a bit sharper and a good deal more athletic/powerful. .. Who did Roger beat in MMA? Randleman in his 40s, lol. .... Where welter/middleweight Renzo beat multiple heavyweight champs. ...... I personally think 30 year old Roger beats 30 year old Renzo in a no-gi match. But small Renzo is absolutely in the conversation.
Has anyone asked why Rickson never fought a top UFC or Pride opponent?
Roger fought everybody in his generation.. He is the best gracie
Roger basically retired from grappling comp in his late 20s and retired from mma at 35. ... Rickson's last fight was at 42. When Rickson was Roger's prime grappling age (late teens to mid 20s) was famously going around Brazil and submitting everyone. Every teacher, every black belt. ADCC didn't exist, and Rickson was almost 40 when the Mundials started up. ... Perspective.
Hoger
Roger. Just say roger.
How is Rodger a Gracie then if Gomes is not?...forgive my ignorance
In Brazil both parents names are used. Mauricio's full name is Mauricio Motta Gomes and Roger's full name is Roger Gracie Gomes. Roger's mother is Reila Gracie. Names are usually shortened and which is used is a personal choice.
@@MauricioGomesBJJ ahhhhh
Sakuraba was best beat them ALL and 1 refused to except the challenge
Should renzo be in the category? I don’t think so
Then you’re not knowledgeable about the history of BJJ.
Renzo has great BJJ are you crazy?
Ace of Spades this has to be a joke right? 2x ADCC champ, multiple time Brazilian champ(before there was a world championships), taught all the guys from Gb that became world champs, Roleta, Soca, Marcinho, Nino, Roger, Cachorrão...................
@@russellward4624 he's clueless
Renzo is possibly the best teacher of the 4, but yeah in terms of ability compared to the other 3, he wouldn't be considered the best. Although it's hard to know how good Rolls was because the level of competition at the time so we just have to go on their word that he was amazing.
Roger 100
Só têm em 8inglês essa porra?
Inglês?
Renzo told my Rickson, but this was before Roger came on the scene. Rickson was physically superior, but never trained in modern striking.
He's been interviewed about it, and has said he believed he could win in MMA just by training jiu jitusu with no time limits and had all kinds of other opinions.
Meh, nothing worse than a guy sitting on the fence ready to bat for either side 😂 I’m just kidding
Good to show humility but it is clear that he thinks the level of the sport has gone up and his kid is the best ever.
It goes Rolls Rickson Rigan and then Roger. NO one can dispute this.
Rickson, Roger, Rolls, Rigan
@David Davidno, look what Roger did at heavyweight and open weight. Roger also lost to buchecha after coming off a bad staff infection then next match submitted buchecha in like 2 mins
Lol
Anyone can. Rickson has an invented resume that even helio said it was bs. Rolls couldve been.
Roger was and is the goat. He beat everyone, even the generation after. His record isnt invented in his mind, it s proven. He s not only the best gracie, he s the best period.
Well Rickon says in his book he was beating Rolls when he died in a very respectful way. Why would he lie? Everyone is saying something different about their opinion on this. There is a lot of dispute on this kind of thing. I think the most accurate answer is we can't compare guys from different eras with any degree of accuracy.
Not one of them has beaten the caliber of Jiu-jitsu fighters then Roger. I love Rickson, Rolls and Renzo. But no way Roger. And he tapout most of the best.
I don't know why he talk so little about Rickson. He always diminish him in some way, not being explicit about it, but in the way he talks or don't talk.
i think its because everyone bigs up rickson, so he's not going to suck him off as much to give the others props
buchecha was 44 pounds heavier than roger? no i don't think so...
Roger was around 215 maybe 220. Buchecha was around 250. and i guarantee he was probably on juice. Thats an enormous advantage.
Yeah and everyone outweighted Helio by 200 pounds and 10' of height. Porra.
@@aplus1080 why so salty?
@@oldeenglish64 still is on the juice...
@@aikidoisthebombyeah For sure. I trained with those guys. A few of them for sure are. As well as ATOS. Bunch of camps these days.
Gordon is better than them all
I think a non sense to do this kind of comparison .I agree Mauricio with. Also live are umpredictle out from it is just vanity.
RICKSON GRACIE HANDS DOWN NO COMPARISON
@Sir Honks-Alot PERFECTLY SAID
Who did Rickson actually beat though?
@@s1r155 what does a question like that actually mean though?
@@s1r155 a question like that automatically betrays a fundamental lack of proper knowledge where jiu-jitsu is concerned. It just does...
@@jamescarr4662 this statement is bigger than jiu jitsu. In order to be considered the best (in any competitive art) you have to beat the best, taking on all comers. Roger Gracie is a perfect example of this. You can't be considered the GOAT simply because you're the best in your family or gym. I'm not saying Rickson wasn't the best, I'm simply asking the obvious question.
Rickson or roger could easily beat gordon ryan
There's know way to know these things just like the guy said. You can't compare people from different eras with any degree of accuracy.
Cancelei a inscrição
Who cares. Rickson quit fighting at early age. Today's mma guys would maul any of them in their prime.
42 is an early age ????? .... Roger quit at 35. ..... Without Jiu-jitsu, Rickson beats any MMA guy today. ... We all know Rorion and Royce made Brazilian Jiu-jitsu mandatory in all MMA training. You either directly train it - or indirectly (to defend). No other system has the same absolute 'must' as Jiu-jitsu. So, thank you Rickson's brothers.
You forgot Royler, Carlos, Rener, Rorion, Helio, Ralp, Royce
Roger without inhuman body strength would not have won so many titles. Marcelo Gracia on the other hand became the world champion with regular people's physiques. There is no doubt who is the greatest ever.
yes i'm sure roger is just ungodly stronger than Buchecha was in their fight. just god-like physique built from mt olympus. Or... dude's genetics made him tall and he stacked supreme jiu jitsu skills on top of it.
Sakuraba played with several Gracie's, Rickson avoided him. But I would pick Roger over anyonewho's ever rolled.
Sakuraba's career is thanks to the organization that Rickson made possible. ... At the time, it was common knowledge that Rickson was building up the match with Rickson. Saku was a NOBODY until that Royce match. But even then, it wasn't enough, nor was the Royler match. The Renzo match gathered enough public demand and they were offering close to a million for that match. But Rickson had already taken the match fighting the creator of Pancrase. Shortly after, two things happened: Saku got stomped by Wanderlei and the Japanese's offer shrank down tremendously. Then Rickson's son died and that was pretty much it. All of that happened very rapidly after Saku's win over Renzo. ...There was no avoidance, just waiting for a paycheck - then that slipped away after Pride 13. And there was no real motive after that.
renzo cant be on the list
8.27 of a man saying basically nothing
of a main making a logical response to a stupid question.
Rickson in pure ju jitsu , roger in MMA
Roger would probably sub Rickson inside 5 minutes