Agatha did not perform divination. She is known for her commitment to knowledge; that's how she almost defeated Wanda in Wandavision (and might have had she kept her trap shut and not taught Wanda about runes and how she takes magic). She was using the practical magic and insight she learned on The Road from her coven (Alice's protection circle, Jen's moonlight and water healing, and Lilia's warning). That scene was a reminder that Agatha has never relied on raw power alone. Rather, she has always sought and applied knowledge to survive. It was also a callback to something she learned from each of her coven members.
A costume detail that I absolutely love, that I never would’ve noticed without the behind the scenes, is Billy’s hood. The outside of his cloak is the same fabric as Wanda’s suit, and the inside is the same as Vision’s cape.
The costume designer is brilliant. While it's a bummer that most people will never know the amount of detail he put into every costume and the stories they tell, the audience will definitely benefit from the ways his designs enhanced each actor's performance. The entire cast commented on how many of the intricate designs were only known to them but pulled them into character by making them feel magically empowered and protected. Thank you for your comment.
@@Jumbaride It's like writing fiction. The more detail an author adds to their world, even if most never appears in the finished story, the more real their world and characters will seem. It makes the world more real for us, and therefore more real for the reader.
@@Jumbaride It’s a flower, I believe. Though I don’t remember which one. I read somewhere that they had the idea that Rio would just always be spontaneously making flowers. That’s why she’s almost always holding one.
31:22 NOPE. The doctor does bind her - he uses a spell he bought from Agatha. Agatha was NOT there when Jen was bound and had no idea she was responsible.
Indeed. We can see the realisation on Agatha's face when she hears Boston. We already knew that it happened in Boston, but when Jen was telling her story to the others, Agatha was tending Teen. This means she only knows half of the story, and that is that some man who had no magic bound Jen in a mysterious way. Jen never suspected that binding was a witch's spell. Had she, and had she told Agatha, Agatha might have connected the dots earlier.
Rewatch the series with the knowledge that Billy manifested the road and it’s so obvious from the start! And it’s obvious that Agatha knew all along! When rio says “he’s not yours” she’s referring to her job, reminding Agatha that her job is to keep the sacred balance, an “abomination” like Billy shouldn’t exist and it’s within her obligation to restore the balance. There’s more emotional context to it, which in hindsight makes sense as to why Agatha reacted the way she did. Also love the details that everything on the road is influenced by witchy and horror pop culture in Billy/William’s room. Every poster, every small and irrelevant decor detail, had some significance in the show. Rio cutting the backdrop was just that. A clue that not only can death traverse time and space, but can also see through all the fakeness,the BS. kind of a power move to Agatha, that you can’t deceive death. No matter how convincing you are. The next ep is such a roller coaster. So many more questions, but a nice bookend to the overall series. I really enjoyed what they did with the show, and really hope we get to see a bit more witchiness in the mcu future
Love your channel. The connection between Agatha and Billy is more than death. A part of her seems to have bonded with him when she was his babysitter. Remember the emotion when she said," it's good to see you again...Billy." She seemed very sincere.
The reason why thy 4th name was s black heart was because Lilia didn't know Billy's name because of the sigil. The boyfriend wrote, 'You are my 🖤,' with the black heart. Rio was a red herring. If she was it, Lilia could have easily written her name.
Exactly. Agatha further supported our assertion when she responded to Jen's confusion about Rio being unafraid of the trial by saying Rio was a "tourist" on The Road. Rio was never part of the coven; the black heart was Billy, and Rio was just an outside observer waiting to collect bodies.
Jac Shaeffer said that the mental addition that Billy queried about "Is this how Nicky died"' was a post production decision.....so if you watch that whole scene "muted", you would get the true effect.....She changed her mind...on her own.....!!!!!
The end credits after this episode change to make it clear that everything on the road is taken from Billy’s room and research. It was a nice touch. I actually noticed it after episode five, but they finally connect all the dots in the end credits of this episode.
Since "he" doesn't have a gender? Interesting slip you made there... lol Death (often referred to as Mistress Death or Lady Death) is a cosmic being and the personification of death itself. It can assume many forms of any gender but most often a cloaked skeleton or a woman. Also, Rio Vidal (The Original Green Witch) was a woman before becoming Death according to Marvel. I'd love to get more backstory on her.
Death does NOT have a gender, just a form she uses to present herself (or himself) to humans. I definitely hold to the theory that Rio is Nicky 's father.
@@Jumbaride while Rio Vidal was a real character in the comics MCU Rio was just a human form death chose to take when interacting with the physical world. She's called "the original green witch" not because she was once a witch but because death was the first being to use what witches refer to as "green magic."
I remember that some comments after episode 3 were complaining that it's just a new witch trial each episode... how boring... And now I'm laughing (a bit like Rio) at how each episode has had twists and turns, keeping us hungry for the next episode 😅🦹♂️😄😝😏🙄
It wasn’t Rio’s trial, she wasn’t the coven’s green witch, it was Billy. When Lilia wrote down the names, she couldn’t write down either of Billy or William, it was just a black heart. Billy is the black heart, which Boyf called him in the text to Billy, right before Billy broke into Agatha’s house.
Trent, were you suggesting that Billy influenced Agatha into sacrificing herself? Because I didn't get that at all. Agatha is a villain (and I love that they're not trying to convince us that she isn't), but I absolutely love that she consistently shows her humanity and heart where her son -- or someone she associates with her son -- is concerned; it's a rare but unconditional maternal instinct for her. (Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.) Anyhow, I adored this episode. Katherine Hahn and Aubrey Plaza had their big, witchy showdown, but I really have to recognize how brilliant both Joe Locke and Sasheer Zamata were in the trial scene; talk about emotion! Great moments in this episode, for sure, and I'm eager to see how you feel about the finale.
She’s not a villain, Disney is literally trying to grow up and move away from the black and white good vs evil trope, she’s just shaped by her past as we learned in wandavison AND in these past couple of episodes, she was betrayed and mistreated by her mother and her coven. So she’s learned to just look out for herself and eliminate all the perceived threats before they, in her mind, inevitably turn on her: i.e all witches. “The best defense is a good offense” type of mentality. She’s not really out to rule humanity or anything of the sort. Even her neighbors saw her as the one who saved them by breaking wandas hold on them, which is why they all looked out for her while her mind was trapped.
Another wonderful episode, enjoyed your reaction/discussion. All aspects of the show have been excellent from the costuming to the sets to the writing to the music (composer is the same as for WandaVision and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) to the acting. Looking forward to your reaction to the conclusion.
34:01 Billy was slipping at that point. The trials weren’t clear for one person anymore. Also in that last one after Jen leaves, Agatha is not lying to Billy when she says she won’t drain him if he gives her magic. You can tell bc her tone and expression matches all times when she is serious - she looks and acts differently when she lies. She even keeps the tone and expression as she rolls right into offering Billy help Instead
I like to think the final trial is a trial that brings together facets of the "final" coven member: Billy, or Rio, or heck, even Sharon. Why not? It's ambiguous on purpose.
I do think it was Rio’s trial. It was very much about death/rebirth for each of them - Jen getting her powers back, a rebirth of sorts, Billy bringing Tommy back, and Agatha growing the dandelion. Rio doesn’t have to be physically present for the trial because she is always present spiritually, ideologically, metaphorically, etc. Death and life in constant flow. I also like that it kind of implies that Rio is part of the coven after all, but so is Billy. Love your insights into Agatha as well! She’s such a complex asshole of a witch, I love her. :)
Well the trial was always going to be about the constant flow of life and death because that's what green magic is about. The trials were never about a specific coven member it was about the magic itself, each trial previously focused on the person that had the most knowledge about that type of magic so when they got to the green trial they each had to solve it in their own way because none of the last 3 members of the coven were the coven's "expert" in that type of magic.
Agatha did not perform divination. She is known for her commitment to knowledge; that's how she almost defeated Wanda in Wandavision (and might have had she kept her trap shut and not taught Wanda about runes and how she takes magic). She was using the practical magic and insight she learned on The Road from her coven (Alice's protection circle, Jen's moonlight and water healing, and Lilia's warning). That scene was a reminder that Agatha has never relied on raw power alone. Rather, she has always sought and applied knowledge to survive. It was also a callback to something she learned from each of her coven members.
A costume detail that I absolutely love, that I never would’ve noticed without the behind the scenes, is Billy’s hood. The outside of his cloak is the same fabric as Wanda’s suit, and the inside is the same as Vision’s cape.
The costume designer is brilliant. While it's a bummer that most people will never know the amount of detail he put into every costume and the stories they tell, the audience will definitely benefit from the ways his designs enhanced each actor's performance. The entire cast commented on how many of the intricate designs were only known to them but pulled them into character by making them feel magically empowered and protected. Thank you for your comment.
@@Jumbaride It's like writing fiction. The more detail an author adds to their world, even if most never appears in the finished story, the more real their world and characters will seem. It makes the world more real for us, and therefore more real for the reader.
@@RealBLAlley🩵
@djarinriduur Do you know what Rio is holding in her left hand when she reveals herself as Death to Lilia?
@@Jumbaride It’s a flower, I believe. Though I don’t remember which one. I read somewhere that they had the idea that Rio would just always be spontaneously making flowers. That’s why she’s almost always holding one.
You guys don't ramble... that's other channels!
You two just keep doing what you do! We love you for it!
31:22 NOPE. The doctor does bind her - he uses a spell he bought from Agatha. Agatha was NOT there when Jen was bound and had no idea she was responsible.
Indeed. We can see the realisation on Agatha's face when she hears Boston.
We already knew that it happened in Boston, but when Jen was telling her story to the others, Agatha was tending Teen. This means she only knows half of the story, and that is that some man who had no magic bound Jen in a mysterious way. Jen never suspected that binding was a witch's spell. Had she, and had she told Agatha, Agatha might have connected the dots earlier.
Rewatch the series with the knowledge that Billy manifested the road and it’s so obvious from the start! And it’s obvious that Agatha knew all along!
When rio says “he’s not yours” she’s referring to her job, reminding Agatha that her job is to keep the sacred balance, an “abomination” like Billy shouldn’t exist and it’s within her obligation to restore the balance. There’s more emotional context to it, which in hindsight makes sense as to why Agatha reacted the way she did.
Also love the details that everything on the road is influenced by witchy and horror pop culture in Billy/William’s room. Every poster, every small and irrelevant decor detail, had some significance in the show.
Rio cutting the backdrop was just that. A clue that not only can death traverse time and space, but can also see through all the fakeness,the BS. kind of a power move to Agatha, that you can’t deceive death. No matter how convincing you are.
The next ep is such a roller coaster. So many more questions, but a nice bookend to the overall series. I really enjoyed what they did with the show, and really hope we get to see a bit more witchiness in the mcu future
Love your channel. The connection between Agatha and Billy is more than death. A part of her seems to have bonded with him when she was his babysitter. Remember the emotion when she said," it's good to see you again...Billy." She seemed very sincere.
BILLY is so powerful I want more of him in the future 😭💙
The reason why thy 4th name was s black heart was because Lilia didn't know Billy's name because of the sigil. The boyfriend wrote, 'You are my 🖤,' with the black heart. Rio was a red herring. If she was it, Lilia could have easily written her name.
Exactly. Agatha further supported our assertion when she responded to Jen's confusion about Rio being unafraid of the trial by saying Rio was a "tourist" on The Road. Rio was never part of the coven; the black heart was Billy, and Rio was just an outside observer waiting to collect bodies.
The black heart stood for all three. They needed them all to get to and finish the road.
Jac Schaeffer confirmed that the black heart was ONLY Billy and always was. it was his coven, not Agatha's.
Billy is also wearing a very tiny black heart earring. It's hard to see, but it can be spotted. Especially in episode 6.
@@HenryLoenwindto finish a road that who created? Remember, it was all about Billy, and what he unknowingly wanted.
There was no road to finish.
Jac Shaeffer said that the mental addition that Billy queried about "Is this how Nicky died"' was a post production decision.....so if you watch that whole scene "muted", you would get the true effect.....She changed her mind...on her own.....!!!!!
The end credits after this episode change to make it clear that everything on the road is taken from Billy’s room and research. It was a nice touch. I actually noticed it after episode five, but they finally connect all the dots in the end credits of this episode.
It's interesting that at the end, they gave Rio a voice that's both male and female at the same time, since he doesn't have a gender, nice reaction!!!
Since "he" doesn't have a gender? Interesting slip you made there... lol
Death (often referred to as Mistress Death or Lady Death) is a cosmic being and the personification of death itself. It can assume many forms of any gender but most often a cloaked skeleton or a woman. Also, Rio Vidal (The Original Green Witch) was a woman before becoming Death according to Marvel. I'd love to get more backstory on her.
Death does NOT have a gender, just a form she uses to present herself (or himself) to humans. I definitely hold to the theory that Rio is Nicky 's father.
@@Jumbaride while Rio Vidal was a real character in the comics MCU Rio was just a human form death chose to take when interacting with the physical world. She's called "the original green witch" not because she was once a witch but because death was the first being to use what witches refer to as "green magic."
Absolutely loving these reaction videos!! Great work
I remember that some comments after episode 3 were complaining that it's just a new witch trial each episode... how boring...
And now I'm laughing (a bit like Rio) at how each episode has had twists and turns, keeping us hungry for the next episode 😅🦹♂️😄😝😏🙄
Been waiting for this! This was such a fabulous series. Looking forward to watching the finale with you both ❤
Billy create the witches road like wanda did the Westview
It wasn’t Rio’s trial, she wasn’t the coven’s green witch, it was Billy. When Lilia wrote down the names, she couldn’t write down either of Billy or William, it was just a black heart. Billy is the black heart, which Boyf called him in the text to Billy, right before Billy broke into Agatha’s house.
Thanks, Julia! Thanks, Trent! 🧙♀
6:19 i think its because Rio is still in love with Agatha, and she is basically "i never want to see you again"
Trent, were you suggesting that Billy influenced Agatha into sacrificing herself? Because I didn't get that at all. Agatha is a villain (and I love that they're not trying to convince us that she isn't), but I absolutely love that she consistently shows her humanity and heart where her son -- or someone she associates with her son -- is concerned; it's a rare but unconditional maternal instinct for her. (Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.)
Anyhow, I adored this episode. Katherine Hahn and Aubrey Plaza had their big, witchy showdown, but I really have to recognize how brilliant both Joe Locke and Sasheer Zamata were in the trial scene; talk about emotion!
Great moments in this episode, for sure, and I'm eager to see how you feel about the finale.
She’s not a villain, Disney is literally trying to grow up and move away from the black and white good vs evil trope, she’s just shaped by her past as we learned in wandavison AND in these past couple of episodes, she was betrayed and mistreated by her mother and her coven. So she’s learned to just look out for herself and eliminate all the perceived threats before they, in her mind, inevitably turn on her: i.e all witches. “The best defense is a good offense” type of mentality. She’s not really out to rule humanity or anything of the sort. Even her neighbors saw her as the one who saved them by breaking wandas hold on them, which is why they all looked out for her while her mind was trapped.
Another wonderful episode, enjoyed your reaction/discussion. All aspects of the show have been excellent from the costuming to the sets to the writing to the music (composer is the same as for WandaVision and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) to the acting. Looking forward to your reaction to the conclusion.
You forgot Frozen.
Rio tells Agatha that Billy "violates the Sacred Balance."
It was a magical journey, excited for the MCU!
Most people overlook that Agatha completed her part of her bargain with death before she chose to embrace death.
Billy put his hood up just like Mom in Westview
Its so metal though hehe. The kiss of death! Hell yeah.
Thank you Julia and Trent :)
36:46 Painted backdrop, not a green screen
It's the same method that was used in the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie. She cuts though the canvas to show that the road is fake
34:01 Billy was slipping at that point. The trials weren’t clear for one person anymore.
Also in that last one after Jen leaves, Agatha is not lying to Billy when she says she won’t drain him if he gives her magic. You can tell bc her tone and expression matches all times when she is serious - she looks and acts differently when she lies. She even keeps the tone and expression as she rolls right into offering Billy help
Instead
40:36 y’all are supposed to watch them together in one night. Its so much more enjoyable
Remember Agatha telling William she recognized him because he has the same "tell" as his mother. He is The Demiurge.
After watching this show I understand why Thanos was simping over Death in the comics
I don’t think Agatha knew she bound Jen, she sold the spell to the Doctor but likely didn’t know who is it for
I like to think the final trial is a trial that brings together facets of the "final" coven member: Billy, or Rio, or heck, even Sharon. Why not? It's ambiguous on purpose.
In the comics when Billy finds Tommy, Tommy is in juvenile penitentiary, and does not have much of a family.
Gear 5 Luffy action figure in the back!!! Nami Cushion!!! The One Piece is Real!!!
Please react soon next episode, final episode please soon
You guys are just now watching it? How did you avoid the spoilers online
my initial reaction to the reveal was a bit conflicted, it felt like putting a hat on a hat
Y u guys not reacting to the latest trailer of What If? Please do. You will like it!
I do think it was Rio’s trial. It was very much about death/rebirth for each of them - Jen getting her powers back, a rebirth of sorts, Billy bringing Tommy back, and Agatha growing the dandelion. Rio doesn’t have to be physically present for the trial because she is always present spiritually, ideologically, metaphorically, etc. Death and life in constant flow. I also like that it kind of implies that Rio is part of the coven after all, but so is Billy. Love your insights into Agatha as well! She’s such a complex asshole of a witch, I love her. :)
Well the trial was always going to be about the constant flow of life and death because that's what green magic is about. The trials were never about a specific coven member it was about the magic itself, each trial previously focused on the person that had the most knowledge about that type of magic so when they got to the green trial they each had to solve it in their own way because none of the last 3 members of the coven were the coven's "expert" in that type of magic.