Wesley Aird made it clear on Q&A, why enshrine "disadvantage" in the Constitution? That's an insult to Aboriginals, effectively saying they're incapable of bettering themselves on their own. There's plenty of successful and wealthy Aboriginals. Also interesting to note, the Indigenous that are pushing this like Noel Pearce, are wealthy as, net worth over $110 million. And how much of that has he spent on helping his "brothers" in the bush that have nothing? Oh that's right, not a cent. Pearce shows his hate and racism in spades. Whenever I mention to the yes camp that they already have a voice, and her name is Lindsay Burney, they go nuts. I wonder what part of "Minister for Indigenous Australians" they don't understand?? Side note: I don't think Wesley Aird will ever get invited on Q&A again, LOL. Way too much common sense and logical reasoning for them.
I have never been racist to anyone in my life but have had racism from the other side to me and my family. I know a lot of indigenous people are lovely.
If the NO vote gets up, that means most Australians, white, black, brown, and every colour in between, and every ethnicity, have voted NO to division, not just the white fella. If Linda Burney says that the voice will fix the mess, then she, and all her ilk have not done their jobs properly, and should be ashamed with their gross incompetence, and mismanagement of indigenous affairs, because with the billions, upon billions of taxpayers dollars spent, there shouldn’t be any indigenous peoples at a disadvantage anywhere. Audit the the NIAA, and every indigenous entity with their fingers in the bucket, and I mean the indigenous elites.
Interesting demographics in the polls. Those of us old enough to remember ATSIC are saying an overwhelming NO. It also was promised as a silver bullet solution but was an abject failure. Had it been enshrined in our constitution the Aboriginal people who are truly in need of help would be in a world of trouble by now and those who have control of the Indigenous industry would all be stinking rich.
I am a caucasion born Western Australian , so I was born here which makes me Indigenous or native to Australia. I'm voting a definite No.I also welcome all Aborigines to my country.
I'm Indigenous and probably voting yes. But I agree if you are born here, let alone having multiple generations born in Australia makes you indigenous to the land. You cant really argue sensibly with that.
@@johncandy6508 So if you're not of first people and claim to be indigenous, please tell me, how far back does your ancestry go in Australia, pre or post colonisation.
@beepbeep6861 Sorry for any confusion. I'm indigenous - Wiradjuri. I'm only agreeing with the previous comment that if you have ancestry that goes back many generations in Australia regardless if you are first nations connected you are (in my opinion) indigenous to this country. For instance, telling someone that has over 200 years of ancestry in one land pretty much makes them indigenous. Moreover, with only remote communutes as exceptions all most all of us first nations peoples have European (or other contries) heritage. Does that now eliminate me and my mob/family from saying we are indigenous? Fyi I'm not implying you were saying that just a question for the ether
NP has a personal wealth reported to be $100 million. I know Aboriginal people up here, FNQ, who reckon the communities hate him, and he has laundered $550 million, of our money, through several shelf companies, but done NOTHING for Cape communities!!!
Will THE VOICE solve any problems that existing Aboriginal bodies have not been able to? we already have: 3,278 Aboriginal corporations 243 Native title bodies 48 Land councils 35 Regional councils 122+ Aboriginal agencies 3 Advisory bodies 145 Health Organisations 11 Indigenous Federal MPs 12 Culturally important Indigenous days Taxpayers give $30B annually for MAYBE 500,000 people Expenditure per Indigenous Australian is MORE than double on the rest of the population Senator Price says Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians. $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year
We need to address disadvantage, but the Voice is not the way. Aboriginals have the same voice as everyone else One person One vote One representation It doesn’t get fairer that that. The Constitution is not the problem. The idea of dividing along the lines of colour/race/blood has been shown time and again to go to dark places. It is by definition unfair and so over time breeds resentment, anger, and then racism. The very thing people voting Yes want to avoid. We need to be one people going forward together with equal standing under the rules of the land and addressing disadvantage together where we find it.
The Uluru statement was produced by people claiming to represent just 13 of the 250+ aboriginal language groups, at best just 5.2% of the language groups. The actual % of aboriginal 400+ nations this group represents is likely to be much lower as this information is not readily available. It has come to light since the statement was made public that so many nations were not even asked if they'd like to participate. So how is it that in a democratic society we now have to go vote in a referendum on a proposal put forward by such a small group claiming to represent the aboriginal people?
Precisely why is should not be a matter for a referendum, it seems to me the yes campaigners all need to read a dictionary definition of racism, if they did and thought about it, they might actually change their minds and vote NO.
If you just vote “Yes” you dishonour the as to why the 1967 referendum was so successful which was a declaration by 97% of Australians who believed in constitutional equality for all Australians. For the “Yes23” referendum I don’t see any reason why a majority of Australians would want to vote differently to the same principle of the 1967 referendum voters. Write “NO” and pay respect to our 1967 referendum voters who upheld constitutional equality for all Australians for the past 56 years. 🇦🇺💯%
I thought we were all represented equal as Australians no matter what is the colour of our skin or origin- we live in the now together- we all can achieve the same goals equally as it is- we don’t have to have a separate entry into our Constitution to recognise our indigenous people - they are already covered under the current Constitution like every other Australian like Caucasian and other immigrants from many other countries - remember the song ‘ I am Australian, we’re are many, we are one, from all the lands we come’ that includes our indigenous people because they came here too from other lands way back 👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺
My grandson asked me what this yes no thing was all about. I said just say yes or no to me. I know what the question is but he didn't know the details. He thought for a moment and said yes.!because it's positive.. well I said,if you say yes, I will punch you in the face and take all of your toys but that's not fair! But you said yes without knowing the details!
One of the main reasons i'd voted NO is because of u Dean not to mention Mayo, pearson etc. Thank God Aussie's had their wits when they resoundingly NO. Thank you Australia 😊
Aside from some remote aboriginal communities, most people of Aboriginal descent live in the modern world, & therefore most things that affect them affect us as well. So, I don’t see a need for an exclusive, special, élite aboriginal only ‘Voice’ in parliament forever representing 3% of the population & lording it over the remaining 97% of the Australian people.
WHO bought their PRISONERS here , the BRITISH NOT the Australian people, so YTF r the Australian people FORCED 2 PAY 4 them ??? I’m 100% confident that NONE of those PRISONERS wanted 2 b separated from their country or families. Y haven’t ANY of these Aboriginal Leaders put this 2 the COUNTRY that INVADED THEIR LAND ???
You know, if I was to say to an Indian or Pakistani national, go back to where you came from, I would be slated as a bigot and a racist, yet continually, I am confronted by my indigenous countrymen and women, with “my ancestors stole the land, and that I should pay rent”, why am I forced to live with such dual values and hypocrisy? My forebears came here, 135 years ago, and for that I am expected to pay penance, and be inundated with guilt. I am only too happy to be repatriated to Surrey, but be assured, I’m taking back, my infrastructure, my educational system, my judicial system, my medical and welfare systems, for while we all condemn colonialism, it must be noted that those nations that turn their backs, still choose to retain the residual benefits of it! One vote/One voice for ALL Australians!
Making race part of the constitution will be the biggest mistake we ever make. Nowhere in the world is that acceptable. Let's hope common sense prevails. We have to also take a long, hard look at the accomplishments of the aboriginal industry. At this stage there appears to be very view. To the average Australian taxpayer, this looks like throwing more money down a bottomless pit at a time when everybody is doing it tough. The $40 billion could be spent much better looking after all Australians, regardless of race or colour. VOTE NO.
Constitutional assimilation of a sovereign nation. "We are in a sophisticated genocidal act right now. I am truly grateful that you turned up today. Let's have a minute silence and go off peacefully with our hearts strong. . A minutes silence for the 550 deaths in custody Classic Labour.....dangerously covert
Yes campaign keeps spouting platitudes and feel good reasons, anecdotal examples of how his experience is a representation of what all indigenous people want somehow its a magic bullet. Nothing in there lists what actions it would take that doesn't already exist in other entities meant for indigenous peoples I migrated to this country believing everyone was treated equally under the constitution. Putting one group of people on a pedestal isn't really treating everyone equally is it? The law and our rights applies to all. At least give all the minorities in this country the respect they deserve by treating them all on a level playing field. Give the communities the help they need yes I agree setup entities or bodies (we already have those and if they're not working then focus on fixing it) but the constitution must be for "all" emphasis on the "ALL"
Why be divided? There is no reason for the way in which it is intended to divide. Whats the point. Astralia is australia they can be one, after division there is conflict so its better toniust leave it as it is
How many Aboriginal people are constitutional lawyers I wonder, my guess is not many, if any at all. Not enough information about the effects on average Australians for me and how this is going to improve the lives of Aboriginal people. If the system in place, like the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Affairs is not working then it should be defunded or a major shake up needs to happen. 27cents in the dollar is woeful and I can't see the Voice changing that. What I believe will happen is those who hold power in the Aboriginal Community at the moment will gain ever more power and wealth, while the rest the Aboriginal community will gain nothing from this.
Could it be said that Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine (and similar naysaying others) who live in nice houses and can afford a nice car and lifestyle for themselves and their families, are more concerned with losing what they own and have via lifestyle and income if their own voice holds less status if the Voice to Parliament does become a reality. Perhaps less status will mean less credit by less position and a big hit to their pride and privileged lifestyle. It's so easy to say NO to so many underprivileged others who struggle with far less and far less educational choices whilst they themselves are sitting comfortably upon a shiny white political pedestal (or other) and living a nice urban or city lifestyle via the educated existence which they or their parents could choose and afford which so many others cannot. However, both Price, Mundine (and similar naysaying others) selfish purpose in reasoning toward a majority far less privileged than they, does align their agenda more with that of an oppressive fascist dictatorship. Why does the word Hypocrisy seem befitting to any questionable narrative and the obvious double standards which their own lifestyles, homes, and places deliver. If NO wins, So Be It... myself and many other Australians living comfortably will keep enjoying what our own privileged (YES) system provides and offers to us and our families. But surely, via the many NO progress failures which any selfish NAYSAYER presents with use of manipulated propaganda and deceit, only to retain the status quo and to protect their own position, assets and lifestyle, will certainly present its consequences. Truth has a way of surfacing and biting the oppressors back. A YES vote is and was always a positive constitution in order to allow more be heard and to be enacted upon without the same manipulation these deceitful naysayers always spin and bring. YES!... We Are One. 🇦🇺
Are you serious? Maybe you've had one booster shot too many. Everything you've posted could more than equally apply to the so called "elite" urban part Aboriginals , some of whom have openly expressed their Marxism ,and who don't give a 💩 about their full blooded cousins in remote communities.
Well said! All these naysayers [Warren Mundine, Jacinta Price, Kerrynne Liddle, and Lidia Thorpe] have a platform which they can and do use to question the process and throw shade on the outcome. All but Mundine is a professional politician. They are a Canberra Voice.
Voice to Parliament? 11 senators to 3% of the population of Australia. That's enough voice. Vote NO!
Just vote NO
Wesley Aird made it clear on Q&A, why enshrine "disadvantage" in the Constitution? That's an insult to Aboriginals, effectively saying they're incapable of bettering themselves on their own. There's plenty of successful and wealthy Aboriginals. Also interesting to note, the Indigenous that are pushing this like Noel Pearce, are wealthy as, net worth over $110 million. And how much of that has he spent on helping his "brothers" in the bush that have nothing? Oh that's right, not a cent. Pearce shows his hate and racism in spades.
Whenever I mention to the yes camp that they already have a voice, and her name is Lindsay Burney, they go nuts. I wonder what part of "Minister for Indigenous Australians" they don't understand??
Side note: I don't think Wesley Aird will ever get invited on Q&A again, LOL. Way too much common sense and logical reasoning for them.
I have never been racist to anyone in my life but have had racism from the other side to me and my family. I know a lot of indigenous people are lovely.
Australia ..... your vote for the voice is of utmost importance & support.....
🇭🇲🇭🇲 vote NO 🇭🇲🇭🇲
If the NO vote gets up, that means most Australians, white, black, brown, and every colour in between, and every ethnicity, have voted NO to division, not just the white fella.
If Linda Burney says that the voice will fix the mess, then she, and all her ilk have not done their jobs properly, and should be ashamed with their gross incompetence, and mismanagement of indigenous affairs, because with the billions, upon billions of taxpayers dollars spent, there shouldn’t be any indigenous peoples at a disadvantage anywhere.
Audit the the NIAA, and every indigenous entity with their fingers in the bucket, and I mean the indigenous elites.
Burney said this is a mess.
She is the relevant minister.
Demand her resignation
Nothing will change with the Voice , it will be the same elite doing nothing, if they can't act now.
All for indigenous people and everyone else having a voice, so vote NO.
It's not a simple decision, it's a huge division.
ABC has to go definitely lost the way.Cut their funding of taxpayers money. 👎
Interesting demographics in the polls. Those of us old enough to remember ATSIC are saying an overwhelming NO. It also was promised as a silver bullet solution but was an abject failure. Had it been enshrined in our constitution the Aboriginal people who are truly in need of help would be in a world of trouble by now and those who have control of the Indigenous industry would all be stinking rich.
We say NO because we care!!
I am a caucasion born Western Australian , so I was born here which makes me Indigenous or native to Australia. I'm voting a definite No.I also welcome all Aborigines to my country.
Claimer. 😂😂😂
I'm Indigenous and probably voting yes. But I agree if you are born here, let alone having multiple generations born in Australia makes you indigenous to the land. You cant really argue sensibly with that.
@@johncandy6508 So if you're not of first people and claim to be indigenous, please tell me, how far back does your ancestry go in Australia, pre or post colonisation.
@beepbeep6861 Sorry for any confusion. I'm indigenous - Wiradjuri. I'm only agreeing with the previous comment that if you have ancestry that goes back many generations in Australia regardless if you are first nations connected you are (in my opinion) indigenous to this country. For instance, telling someone that has over 200 years of ancestry in one land pretty much makes them indigenous. Moreover, with only remote communutes as exceptions all most all of us first nations peoples have European (or other contries) heritage. Does that now eliminate me and my mob/family from saying we are indigenous? Fyi I'm not implying you were saying that just a question for the ether
@@johncandy6508 Is Australia a black country by right.
A definite no from me, and many of my friends.
What is the point of National Indigenous Australians Agency ? noel 500mil
NP has a personal wealth reported to be $100 million. I know Aboriginal people up here, FNQ, who reckon the communities hate him, and he has laundered $550 million, of our money, through several shelf companies, but done NOTHING for Cape communities!!!
It's at least another 100 million net worth increase for Noel...
Will THE VOICE solve any problems that existing Aboriginal bodies have not been able to?
we already have:
3,278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 Land councils
35 Regional councils
122+ Aboriginal agencies
3 Advisory bodies
145 Health Organisations
11 Indigenous Federal MPs
12 Culturally important Indigenous days
Taxpayers give $30B annually for MAYBE 500,000 people
Expenditure per Indigenous Australian is MORE than double on the rest of the population
Senator Price says Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians.
$39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year
No never
Let our constitution remain colour blind.
S 51 in the constitution “the race power”
Race has always been in the constitution.
We need to address disadvantage, but the Voice is not the way.
Aboriginals have the same voice as everyone else
One person
One vote
One representation
It doesn’t get fairer that that.
The Constitution is not the problem.
The idea of dividing along the lines of colour/race/blood has been shown time and again to go to dark places. It is by definition unfair and so over time breeds resentment, anger, and then racism. The very thing people voting Yes want to avoid.
We need to be one people going forward together with equal standing under the rules of the land and addressing disadvantage together where we find it.
The Uluru statement was produced by people claiming to represent just 13 of the 250+ aboriginal language groups, at best just 5.2% of the language groups. The actual % of aboriginal 400+ nations this group represents is likely to be much lower as this information is not readily available. It has come to light since the statement was made public that so many nations were not even asked if they'd like to participate. So how is it that in a democratic society we now have to go vote in a referendum on a proposal put forward by such a small group claiming to represent the aboriginal people?
Apparently that was by invitation only.
Precisely why is should not be a matter for a referendum, it seems to me the yes campaigners all need to read a dictionary definition of racism, if they did and thought about it, they might actually change their minds and vote NO.
If you just vote “Yes” you dishonour the as to why the 1967 referendum was so successful which was a declaration by 97% of Australians who believed in constitutional equality for all Australians.
For the “Yes23” referendum I don’t see any reason why a majority of Australians would want to vote differently to the same principle of the 1967 referendum voters.
Write “NO” and pay respect to our 1967 referendum voters who upheld constitutional equality for all Australians for the past 56 years.
🇦🇺💯%
I thought we were all represented equal as Australians no matter what is the colour of our skin or origin- we live in the now together- we all can achieve the same goals equally as it is- we don’t have to have a separate entry into our Constitution to recognise our indigenous people - they are already covered under the current Constitution like every other Australian like Caucasian and other immigrants from many other countries - remember the song ‘ I am Australian, we’re are many, we are one, from all the lands we come’ that includes our indigenous people because they came here too from other lands way back 👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺
My grandson asked me what this yes no thing was all about. I said just say yes or no to me. I know what the question is but he didn't know the details. He thought for a moment and said yes.!because it's positive.. well I said,if you say yes, I will punch you in the face and take all of your toys but that's not fair! But you said yes without knowing the details!
One of the main reasons i'd voted NO is because of u Dean not to mention Mayo, pearson etc. Thank God Aussie's had their wits when they resoundingly NO. Thank you Australia 😊
The people have spoken.
The whole Australian idea of multicultural harmony means who was here first is racist.
No
Aside from some remote aboriginal communities, most people of Aboriginal descent live in the modern world, & therefore most things that affect them affect us as well. So, I don’t see a need for an exclusive, special, élite aboriginal only ‘Voice’ in parliament forever representing 3% of the population & lording it over the remaining 97% of the Australian people.
NO
WHO bought their PRISONERS here , the BRITISH NOT the Australian people, so YTF r the Australian people FORCED 2 PAY 4 them ???
I’m 100% confident that NONE of those PRISONERS wanted 2 b separated from their country or families. Y haven’t ANY of these Aboriginal Leaders put this 2 the COUNTRY that INVADED THEIR LAND ???
You know, if I was to say to an Indian or Pakistani national, go back to where you came from, I would be slated as a bigot and a racist, yet continually, I am confronted by my indigenous countrymen and women, with “my ancestors stole the land, and that I should pay rent”, why am I forced to live with such dual values and hypocrisy?
My forebears came here, 135 years ago, and for that I am expected to pay penance, and be inundated with guilt. I am only too happy to be repatriated to Surrey, but be assured, I’m taking back, my infrastructure, my educational system, my judicial system, my medical and welfare systems, for while we all condemn colonialism, it must be noted that those nations that turn their backs, still choose to retain the residual benefits of it!
One vote/One voice for ALL Australians!
HOW is the voice meant to make change? How?? No one can answer that! It’s all airy fairy hand waving
Making race part of the constitution will be the biggest mistake we ever make. Nowhere in the world is that acceptable. Let's hope common sense prevails. We have to also take a long, hard look at the accomplishments of the aboriginal industry. At this stage there appears to be very view. To the average Australian taxpayer, this looks like throwing more money down a bottomless pit at a time when everybody is doing it tough. The $40 billion could be spent much better looking after all Australians, regardless of race or colour. VOTE NO.
Constitutional assimilation of a sovereign nation.
"We are in a sophisticated genocidal act right now. I am truly grateful that you turned up today. Let's have a minute silence and go off peacefully with our hearts strong. . A minutes silence for the 550 deaths in custody
Classic Labour.....dangerously covert
S 51 “the race power” has always been in the constitution.
Hell no...
石井紘基議員暗殺はネオナチなのでしょうか。稲田直樹
The truth is coming soon
It's weird that lots of white people in Potts Point really want the Voice, but Aborigines in Alice Springs are totally apathetic
Yes campaign keeps spouting platitudes and feel good reasons, anecdotal examples of how his experience is a representation of what all indigenous people want somehow its a magic bullet. Nothing in there lists what actions it would take that doesn't already exist in other entities meant for indigenous peoples
I migrated to this country believing everyone was treated equally under the constitution. Putting one group of people on a pedestal isn't really treating everyone equally is it? The law and our rights applies to all. At least give all the minorities in this country the respect they deserve by treating them all on a level playing field. Give the communities the help they need yes I agree setup entities or bodies (we already have those and if they're not working then focus on fixing it) but the constitution must be for "all" emphasis on the "ALL"
Why be divided? There is no reason for the way in which it is intended to divide. Whats the point. Astralia is australia they can be one, after division there is conflict so its better toniust leave it as it is
How many Aboriginal people are constitutional lawyers I wonder, my guess is not many, if any at all. Not enough information about the effects on average Australians for me and how this is going to improve the lives of Aboriginal people. If the system in place, like the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Affairs is not working then it should be defunded or a major shake up needs to happen. 27cents in the dollar is woeful and I can't see the Voice changing that. What I believe will happen is those who hold power in the Aboriginal Community at the moment will gain ever more power and wealth, while the rest the Aboriginal community will gain nothing from this.
An excellent video
Could it be said that Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine (and similar naysaying others) who live in nice houses and can afford a nice car and lifestyle for themselves and their families, are more concerned with losing what they own and have via lifestyle and income if their own voice holds less status if the Voice to Parliament does become a reality. Perhaps less status will mean less credit by less position and a big hit to their pride and privileged lifestyle.
It's so easy to say NO to so many underprivileged others who struggle with far less and far less educational choices whilst they themselves are sitting comfortably upon a shiny white political pedestal (or other) and living a nice urban or city lifestyle via the educated existence which they or their parents could choose and afford which so many others cannot.
However, both Price, Mundine (and similar naysaying others) selfish purpose in reasoning toward a majority far less privileged than they, does align their agenda more with that of an oppressive fascist dictatorship.
Why does the word Hypocrisy seem befitting to any questionable narrative and the obvious double standards which their own lifestyles, homes, and places deliver.
If NO wins, So Be It... myself and many other Australians living comfortably will keep enjoying what our own privileged (YES) system provides and offers to us and our families.
But surely, via the many NO progress failures which any selfish NAYSAYER presents with use of manipulated propaganda and deceit, only to retain the status quo and to protect their own position, assets and lifestyle, will certainly present its consequences. Truth has a way of surfacing and biting the oppressors back.
A YES vote is and was always a positive constitution in order to allow more be heard and to be enacted upon without the same manipulation these deceitful naysayers always spin and bring.
YES!... We Are One. 🇦🇺
Are you serious? Maybe you've had one booster shot too many. Everything you've posted could more than equally apply to the so called "elite" urban part Aboriginals , some of whom have openly expressed their Marxism ,and who don't give a 💩 about their full blooded cousins in remote communities.
Maybe they have that stuff because they understand what's going on. But also, they are the only ones talking about accountability.
Well said! All these naysayers [Warren Mundine, Jacinta Price, Kerrynne Liddle, and Lidia Thorpe] have a platform which they can and do use to question the process and throw shade on the outcome. All but Mundine is a professional politician. They are a Canberra Voice.