Exactly, as fans of Pac 12 teams we all saw this coming. Even football is ridiculous, I think USC made three trips across the country in five weeks at one point last season. The non-football sports are even worse.
@@brodiebrazil They certainly did, and they're going to reap the whirlwind here. A pretty good USC football team went 7-6, and while there are probably a lot of reasons for that, travel was at least a significant factor. I guess you can point to Oregon and say it's doable, but that seems like an outlier.
The conferences need to work with the schools to limit and ease travel. Play more games in less trips and play games before and after the longer part of the trip. Example UCLA can play Nebraska, then Indiana, then Maryland. Then Rutgers, Penn State and finally Ohio st. Schedule long trips around holidays to limit missing class.
@@brodiebrazil I live a few miles from Pullman. It certainly wasn't unanimous. Regardless, there was a lot of condescension in the Pac toward the schools in fly-over country. Didn't want to water down the brand by including non-"research" universities, so they steadfastly refused to grow as a league. Of course, the real irony was that it was always about the money, not academics.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 yeah no they won't. None of the teams that left would return to a Pac-12 comprising of old Mountain West schools. Who you're in a league with matters, that's why Cal and Stanford joined the ACC, and also why the 4 corner schools left for the Big 12. Now had the Pac-12 raided the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma left then the league would be in a great spot, unfortunately the opposite ended up happening after the LA schools joined the Big Ten.
The product was great. The business was a dysfunctional, miserable disaster. Everyone who left was completely justified in leaving because the organization was garbage. The UCLA coach going on like the other teams get to vacation in LA while his team is heavily burdened traveling to the midwest is obnoxious AF. LA is garbage and I'm happy my brother moved away from there so I never have to visit again.
@@XCodes So your criticism of Coach Cronin has little to do with what he was pointing out. It's just that you hate LA so end of discussion? Also, your half truth was an enjoyable yet failed attempt at slanting your point. UCLA isn't just having to go to the midwest. They've gone to the east coast more than once already. All the way to the east coast. He has a point and your hatred of LA doesn't change that.
No one forced UCLA to leave the Pac-12 for the Big 10. Nobody. You reap what you sow. Everybody knew this was going to be a problem so now that it is, why are ya'll complaining?
A stupid pure greed move. The only somewhat logical thing to do was for only the football programs to switch conferences and leave the other sports in a western oriented conference.
Yeah, but, as Brodie points out, if not for football the move would never have happened, so it's fair for those involved in other sports to complain. That argument holds if the athletic director or football coaches were complaining, but other coaches and athletes had virtually no say in the decision.
@@benjonesthe3rd200yeah, but no one asked Mick Cronin or any of the players if they wanted this. I think that’s the point Brodie is making that you might be missing. This was made at an organizational level, in coordination with the giant media corporations. Typical American story- big companies doing whatever they want to make money, and who gives a crap about the people who are actually doing the work/playing the game they are selling?
Agreed but it was piss poor leadership that did the conf in. They should have forced expansion when they were going after the Texas schools a few years ago. Some of these notable schools voted no and just made things worse. Not getting a media deal really forced them to look for another conference.. So in a sense they were forced to look for another better deal. Sports in general is every expensive and they could not get any money out of the Pac 12 and that was part of the issue.
@@champan250 Florida State was added back in 1992. Suits in Charlotte were playing 4-D chess with that one. And now add SMU. Yeah, it's Dallas, so what? It's still Texas. Also, Notre Dame representing the Great Lakes. "They're the greatest lakes in the whole world; they're very great lakes. I'm glad the All Coasts Conference recognized this."
Sounds like excuses. He travels to the east coast twice but one was a non-conference game against UNC that was his own choice. The other east coast trip was a 2 game swing against Rutgers and Maryland that he lost both. Then he has three trips to the midwest. Maybe his team is just not that good this year.
Shouldn't even be a conversation. They begged to come to the B1G. Sleep on the plane. I have a red eye from Portland to Omaha in 3 weeks and I will sleep.
I wish they would have created football-only conferences (kind of like how there are hockey-only conferences) but deals were signed. Not much can be done at this point.
I think some future iteration of the conference alignment will be to carve out football into its own “league” for P5 and then break that down into 4 or 6 “divisions”, and have tv revenue negotiated at the “league” level and shared among everyone. Similar to the NFL model.
Cal and Stanford in the ACC makes about as much sense as the Atlanta Braves and Cincinnati Reds being in the NL West (or the Nashville Sounds being in the PCL).
Pac-12 and Big XII messed up when they didn't merge 15 years ago. Texas A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left the Big XII. The Big XII got much weaker and after a period of being dominant with USC, Cal, and Oregon being at the forefront of college football in the 2000's the Pac 12 became forgotten.
@@MrRicklynch57It was close to happening around 2009-10. The college sports landscape would look very different now if that had happened. The Big East Conference collapsing soon afterwards set all this conference realignment mess into motion. I’m an LSU fan, and I hate how the SEC is now, even if it makes more geographic sense than the rest of the conferences now. I wish we could go back to how the conferences were 15 years ago.
@@MrRicklynch57 Conferences should never be allowed to merge. I look forward to conferences being capped at 10 teams maximum and the return of the Big 8 and SWC Conferences. Time for college football to go back to the 1960s.
I was on the light rail this fall and the UW women’s soccer team was sitting next to my family and I asked them about this, and the players really didn’t like being in the big 10. Most of the players come from the West Coast and they miss seeing friends at the schools they traveled to, and the travel was brutal. It was so much demoralizing though since there really isn’t anything they look forward to on these road trips now.
Funny I sat next to some Stanford players on their way to Vegas and they said the same thing. They hated the change and would rather be back in the Pac or independent.
Brodie. It's so IRONIC that of all the former Pac 12 school coaches' that could come out complaining, it's Nick Cronin of UCLA. UCLA and USC were the two schools that spearheaded the break up of the Pac 12. And now it's a UCLA coach that's complaining. Too funny.
@@brodiebrazilPerhaps we should get a court order to force them back to the conference where they originated, if not forcing the Congress to pass a law to prevent such bullshit from ever happening.
To be fair it was Stanford and Cal that blocked expansion. I can't recall how UCLA voted. I remember they were going to add a few Big 10 schools at the time and the Big would have been in trouble.. Stanford and Cal voted against expansion so they are just as much at fault.
@@scotttild - Big 12, you Mary-Olivia-Ron-Omar-Nancy! Also, the Pac would have been fine if it wasn't for Larry Scott and his Ingrid-Diane-Irma-Otto-Tom presidents!
The Pac12 collapsed from within beginning with Larry Scott. The aftermath is pure greed. But, maybe someone will come to their senses and see the travel make the cuttent situation unsustainable. I live in Tucson, the AZ basketball team is on a five ( possibly six day depending on snow/ice) road trip. Partly due to Big12 scheduling Sat-Tues games). That's not sustainable, especially for the non-revenue sports.
As someone who grew up in Big Ten country, lived in So Cal, and now resides in Big Ten country again, I was saddened at the demise of the traditional PAC 12 and addition of the four schools to the Big Ten. All the extra traveling across country has impacted player performance.
6:40:" Affects on smaller sports". There are already rumblings that schools throughout the country may be dropping altogether sports such as track and field because they are small or non existent revenue generators. With the additional cost on athletic budgets for NIL, along with things like the impact of conference realignment on travel costs, schools, UCLA, included, will ask, "Why are paying traveling costs ( like he is citing) to send XYZ sport's team five times a year to travel east when it is small ( or no ) revenue sport?" So in near future, track and field, gymnastics, swimming, cross country, golf and even possibly baseball at some schools are going to be axed.
Yup! Just look at middle/Jr High athletic programs and that what you are going to get plus football. $ always has and always will eventually destroy everything. Look at pro boxing… killed the golden goose and now you can’t even tell me who the world champion is. And, further more even care. 10 years at this pace, football is dead.
Same here broth per Covid I Travel east of to the Mississippi twice a month hated every minute of it especially coming back from Miami . Thankfully I’m retiring at the end of this year and only traveling few time this year 👍🏻
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s try being a long distance Greyhound driver. (Charter & Tour). Fort Irwin to Fort Collins, Reno to Yellowstone, the “Western swing” SF, Lake Tahoe, day 1, Yosemite day 2, Death Valley, Las Vegas, day 3, Oatman, LA day 4, Disneyland, Midevial Times, day 5 LAX day 6, then reverse on day 7 with an add of Solvang, and a loss of Oatman. Try that for a summer! Why do foreigners want to go to Death Valley in the summer? Because they don’t have a place in Europe that is 55° C. Each person brings one 60 pound hard case samsonite suitcase times 36, that I get to schlepp around twice a day for 6 days… Baseball and football trips to Candlestick. (Easy part of the job)
Cronin said when he took the job (in 2019), he looked at the record when going to the East Coast and it was below .500 for the previous 20 years. I would assume so. Before joining the Big 10, they were not going east to be playing Norfolk St or Drexel but UNC and Kentucky.
Stanford and Cal-Berkeley, two of the most prestigious universities in the USA, yet they apparently don't know that the ocean only a few miles from their campuses is the "Pacific" Ocean while they are in the "Atlantic" Coast Conference.
And, the sad part is California and Stanford are not going to go back to this current Pac-12. They would rather go independent than deal with any Mountain West school that they deem academically inferior.
@@M_11_m41n They will be forced back to the Pac when the government makes everyone go back where they came from. College football will go back to the 60s and the the SWC and Big 8 will be resurrected.
Studying at Stanford was hard, not to mention we were on the quarter system. I can't imagine being a student-athlete and having to travel back east regularly.
Yes, Coach did speak out against the travel; HOWEVER, he directed his ire at someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the decisions. I hope he reserved some of his vitriol for his own AD and president.
Swimming is a meet sport and you’re not required to do “conference matchups” for those. It’s an issue for basketball, volleyball, soccer, football slightly, field hockey, lacrosse, baseball, softball.
I like that the Big 12 is getting lumped into this. "The teams in the four corners region have to make frequent trips to Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, oh the horror!"
When it comes to college basketball, I bleed orange and blue (Go Illini!). The present organization of collegiate sports conferences makes no sense to me.
The media's role in the college conference realignment saga wasn't mentioned as a takeaway. The PAC-12 conference suffered from sports media East Coast bias since most money-making conferences are east of the Rocky Mountains. FOX, CBS, ESPN/ABC, and NBC prefer Rocky Mountain East competitions due to meeting the Eastern and Central time zone broadcast windows. West Coast and Rocky Mountain trams are at a disadvantage, not only with Tier-1 broadcast windows but also from lucrative media rights deals. Football is the driver. The colleges' other sports are passengers who don't have control over the destination. Conference realignment shows that the media is forcing conferences to consolidate into super conferences, and the West Coast universities would be left out if they don't join one of those conferences east of the Rocky Mountains. Many former PAC-12 schools did what they had to be done to stay relevant in today's competitive media market. The health and well-being of student-athletes are acceptable collateral damage in the eyes of the greed and money of media exes and school administrators.
Correct and it was the non power football schools Ie Stanford and Cal that blocked expansion into Texas and killed any chance the Pac was able to continue.
And this is why there should not be any TV deals and no school should get a cent of TV revenue. The NCAA needs to have complete control of college sports on TV and some schools don't deserve to be on TV at all. Just go watch the games in person. You can't go the games? Listen to them on the radio or fly across the country every weekend in the fall.
The media is partially at fault for corporatizing the product, but they aren't biased against the West Coast schools out of spite. The media has always catered to its largest viewership concentration, and most of the country's population is east of the Rockies. Larger population and higher volume of competitive schools. Since the NCAA began allowing conferences to negotiate TV rights, there have been only a handful of football programs west of the Rockies that have been nationally relevant. USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado and _maybe_ UCLA. Over that same span, there have been at least 3x as many programs East of the Rockies with similar or better clout.
Brodie, most of the teams (besides football and basketball) fly commercial. I've seen so many different teams flying on connecting flights in the airport, and I've flown with a few teams as well. That makes it even worse because, for example, the baseball team has to go through TSA like the rest of us.
correct, football is guaranteed to be chartered with so many people & equipment. everything else is mostly commercial flights, which makes the travel even that much more difficult
@@brodiebrazil swimming is less affected, lots of non conference duel meets. Cal men for example travel OUT of state for the Minnesota Invite, a non conference dual meet at ASU, national team guys went to Budapest for World Short Course (but that's the same travel for all schools) ACC's are in Greensboro & NCAA's are in Seattle. Apart from international meets Florida seems have a harder travel schedule.
Working for Delta, I see yeam equipment offloading, for all college sports, except football. This has to be a huge inconvenience to the players performance, especially during a tight schedule.
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UCLA wanted to join the Big Ten. The midwest and east coast haven’t moved, so I’m not sure how they can turn around and call foul now. They knew what they were signing up for. Use some of your new Big Ten money to upgrade the team charter so your players can be more comfortable on those long trips and perform better.
That kind of crazy travel for sports other than football is what I was worried about. This makes me glad that USF (my alma mater), Memphis, Tulane and UTSA didn't leave The American to be outliers in the reconfigured Pac-12. Our travel would've been similar to what Cronin, who I remember from Cincinnati, was talking about.
Imagine being greedy, I mean stupid enough to not realize what effect moving to the Big 10 (or the ACC) would be. I thought it was insane at the time and it still is. It will not work long term. I predict that within 10 years, all of the former Pac-12 teams will realize their major f*ck up and try to either rejoin the Pac-12 or start a new, more regional conference.
Arizona alum here 🐻⬇️ Last season in senior day I enjoyed being at the final PAC-12 home games in my schools history and still maintain the move to the Big 12 was the right one especially given how much their hands were tied That said while travel is further I don’t think it’s quite as bad for the 4 corners schools in the B12 vs west coast schools in the ACC and B10
Also, I would think that the increased travel costs might cause these west coast schools to drop some of the minor sports programs altogether. And perhaps some potential recruits might enroll elsewhere to avoid the grueling travel schedule.
Seems like we’re headed towards two mega conferences with the Big Ten and SEC having 20-24 teams. I hate it. I can’t see the ACC surviving the next conference realignment. Seems like many of those schools are already preparing to be gobbled up.
@@michaelstein7510I’m an SEC and I hate it too. What the hell do they need Texas and OK? You lose rivalries you lose tradition. You just turned yourself into the AHL of football. They had the golden goose and they had to cut him open because they got greedy.
@@jamescaron6465 Yeah, I’m an LSU fan, and I don’t like the current shape of the conference. I wish we could go back to 2010 before the Big East died and all the conferences were regional and made sense. The insane travel is gonna kill lots of teams in non-revenue sports.
@@michaelstein7510I do too. We didn’t need Missouri or A&M. Bama LSU is college football perfection. We might not get to see that every year now. I agree completely with the travel. I remember a number of years ago I was sitting in LAX waiting for a connecting flight. It was about 10 am and I saw the UCLA softball team come in and they all look like zombies. They must’ve played a late game and then flew all night to get back in a few minutes later the Arizona softball team came in and they look like zombies too so they must’ve played as well and flew all night to get there to play a game against UCLA . Can you imagine having to go Coast to Coast to do that now?
Speaking as a UW alum, I rather be in this position than relegated like WSU and Oregon St. Being able to have this discussion is still a better situation than the financial uncertainties leading to programs getting gutted, coaches and players being poached by Wake Forest (!), and losing a spot in a power conference.
It's going to be so much fun watching ESPN trying to survive on its own when Disney gets broken up and loses all its acquisitions putting it back in its place as just an animation studio with some theme parks run by people who ask "What would Walt do?" again like they did for decades after he passed.
I think they will regret this decision. I wonder the impact this will have on students performance academically, students getting adequate rest, and other factors. Sometimes colleges need to put these factors first ahead of TV Revenue. Also it goes against environmental sustainability goals too with how much fuel is used for the airplanes. It also leads to higher travel costs. Personally I think that this may change sooner than later. I could see schools maybe doing this for football but being members of other more local conferences in the future for other more smaller sports. I can also see tired student athletes playing for less seasons and going to club teams which are often more local.
Boy did I ever have to scroll a mile to find one single person mention the impact on academics. I wish I were more shocked that no one cares at all. The whole situation proves that NCAA football is a professional sport where decisions are made with an eye toward profits above all. Yet the athletes are denied any direct pay on the grounds that they are students. If this were about student athletes and fostering their success in life none of this would even begin to be considered. Minimizing travel and prioritizing student wellbeing would be the only considerations involved in conference alignment. Money would literally not enter into it. Now just to support the football and basketball businesses literally all student athletes must suffer negative impacts on themselves and their educations. Outrageous doesn't even begin...
@ If I was going to do the conference regions I would do it by grouping schools in small groups of states together: * Island Pacific Region: Hawaii, Alaska, Western Canada, Guam, Occassional playing of Washington, Oregon, or California. * West Region: California, Arizona, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Utah. * Upper Northwest Region: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas. * Northern Midwest: Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia. * South: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia,North Carolina, South Carolina. * Northeast: Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine If they did conferences arranged more like this it would balance travel with academics.
@stphinkle The size of the school is also important but that should largely be taken care of by the divisions. But yeah this is basically how things started because sports were originally a way for students to bond and have some fun playing and cheering on their friends and school colors. Turning into a multi billion dollar business that trumps the core mission of the institutions hurts students and the universities themselves in the long run.
Yeah because sitting your butt on a plane an extra 2 to 3 hrs is just too much 🙄, Free travel for the players and coaches, Mean while people think the good life is traveling and they got to pay for it, Yes I know they are their for different reasons but they don’t stay in a room the whole time. Furthermore NBA players do far more traveling omg how do they manage???
Overbloated conferences is what ruined the Western Athletic Conference in 1999. At some point, an Ohio State and Michigan will NOT enjoy splitting the money pie 24 ways etc., and when that happens, watch as these conferences become the new WAC, while the new conferences become the Mountain West!
The WAC had two major problems. First, it was expanded so that a great conference champion would get a Bowl Alliance invitation. This failed to happen in 1996. Second, they were using divisions instead of more recently designed scheduling models like flex protect. If Utah/BYU were playing CSU/Wyo more than once every four years, they wouldn't have demanded realigning the divisions, which was what sent Air Force to the exit. The other thing that helps now is money: the Big Ten and SEC make so much more than anyone else that there's no appeal in leaving, and then the Big XII and ACC make so much more than the G6 conferences that nobody in one of those will leave except to move to the other or up.
USC alum here. Back in college, anytime our Trojan football team would play a game at Stanford or Cal, we'd have Weekender road trips up north to either go to the games and/or the rallies or just hang out in the Bay Area. So much fun and such a big part of my college experience -- ALL GONE NOW. I don't know a single USC alum - or even any UCLA alums for that matter - that actually likes the whole Big 10 thing. Euggggh. Eventually this will all implode and either the Pac 12 will make a comeback or a new conference of major western universities will be formed. I don't see this being sustainable at all in the long run.
The superconferences for tv football dollars were always a ridiculous idea. Your favorite teams would be shelling out lotsa bucks for all that travel, supposedly compensated by getting a kickback for going to somebody else’s school. At least the intersectional travel for interconference games prepared some baseball, basketball, hockey, and soccer players for travel in the pro leagues. Right?
The schools will start to care (a little) if they are unable to recruit players for basketball and other sports who don’t what to deal with the travel.
I have lived in Salem, Oregon for 23 years. But, I lived west of Seattle for 14 1/2, two different times beforehand. I will always be loyal to my Seattle teams first, then the rest of Washington. The demise of the PAC-12 is one reason why I've always been more loyal to teams, than conferences.
I wonder how Cal and Stanford will enjoy going to the east coast for baseball, golf, volleyball, water polo and all the other men’s and women’s sports.
hey Mick how are the UCLA women and the USC women doing ?under conference losses I see goose eggs. they don;t complain they just continue to win. no excuses just victories.
It will all get fixed eventually as the Super League forms in stages. Future 38-team CFB Super League w/ schools allowed to negotiate their own TV contracts with media companies in the market: Pacific Conference - 8 schools Southwest Conference - 8 schools Southeast Conference - 10 schools Atlantic Conference - 10 schools Independent - Notre Dame - Clemson
Not a chance. What will happen is the Make College Football Great Again movement drags the sport back to the 1960s and everyone is ordered back to their former conferences with conferences capped at no more than 10 teams and no realignment. The Southwestern and Big 8 Conferences will be reformed and there will be no more TV deals for anyone. The NCAA will have complete control over TV and who gets to be on the air. People will have to go watch the games in person or listen on the radio if their schools are not on TV. Back to the 1960s.
I knew from the start that this was gonna be a disaster and I wasn’t the only one either. Growing up in Ohio, I used to be an Ohio State fan especially their football team. I used to also root for the University of Dayton and Wright State in basketball and even used to go to some of their games. I was not happy at all when I heard the news that Texas and Oklahoma announced that they were jumping ship from the Big 12 to the SEC. I didn’t think it could get worse from there until the Big 12 announced that they would be adding Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston (the only one that makes sense geographically), and Brigham Young and I didn’t think that things would get worse from there until UCLA and USC both decided to jump ship for the Big Ten. When that announcement was made, I decided that I was done with college sports. I have not watched a single college football game in over two years now because of it nor have I watched any college basketball since. I don’t even care that Ohio State won the national championship either nor do I care that they finally expanded the College Football Playoffs which should’ve been done years ago instead of waiting until it was too little too late. This new landscape makes just as much sense as the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals playing in the NFC East, the Indianapolis Colts playing in the AFC South, or even the Carolina Panthers, New Orleans Saints, and Atlanta Falcons playing in the NFC West. It’s all about the money. Regionality and Rivalries got thrown out of the window. It’s only a matter of time before they lose fans and eventually money. They fucked around and now they’re gonna find out. If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes
It's even worse for the teams that joined the ACC - here's Stanford WBB x-country in-conference trips this season - Jan 2/5 at SMU and Clemson, Jan 16/19 at Wake Forest and Duke, Feb 6/9 at Notre Dame and Louisville, Feb 20/23 at Virginia Tech and UVA, March 5-9 ACC tourney Greensboro. Same is true for mens bb, softball, baseball etc. and many of these sports travel commercially. The whole situation is ridiculous. Stanford and Cal should not have joined the ACC.
Why are they tied into conferences for the other sports? In the big east, you had a bunch of schools who were not competing in football but were in basketball.
No, November & December UCLA mostly non conference schedule, or shed well if ya English. January & February bulk conference so that is called 🍒 ⛏️ NCAA Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, Final Four will remain non conference.
Long travel is a problem for all the former PAC12 schools that joined the Big 10 or ACC but not so much for those who joined the Big 12. Most of the schools in the Big 12 are in the Midwest or Southwest parts of the country. With the exception of traveling to Cincinnati and Morgantown, West Virginia, travel really isn't a huge issue for Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado.
The schools that have left the PAC12 are seeing the direction of the future of college sports and are ensuring that they have a place in it. I still see about 2 more rounds of realignment adding somewhere between 10-14 of the nations schools from the ACC and B12. Then these 2 super conferences will break away leaving the rest in a reduced tier 2 regional situation. This is painful now....but in 5 years we will probably have other PAC schools like Arizona, Stanford, Colorado, maybe Utah included in BIG and will probably doing cross scheduling with SEC where Texas and Oklahoma are on the schedule. This move was to ensure USC and UCLA have a place in the future.
UCLA and USC effectively blew up the Pac-12 when they left to join the Big Ten. I have zero sympathy for the ADs and boosters. Now, I feel bad for the basketball, etc. (non-football) staff and players who did not sign up for travel fatigue. The Big Ten WILL expand to 24 teams - to include Cal and Stanford, which will certainly alleviate some of the travel imbalances. Once the Big Ten expands large enough, perhaps they could create divisional schedules that better reflect the Eastern/Western Conferences in the NBA?
Don't forget Oregon and Washington bolting shortly after too. San Diego St and SMU were set to join the PAC after the LA Schools departures. Then the Ducks and Huskies split
Cal and Stanford should re-join the PAC. There is nothing in the ACC worth crossing the country for. If the PAC can get even a 15 million TV deal, the net money won't be much different.
Big10 covers the top four media markets, won the last two CFB natl championships (plus others), and has the most revenue sharing $. Travel and schedules need some tweaking where say the hoops and volleyball teams could travel together if more than two time zones.
as a long time Pac 10/12 fan, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for them. All the schools said screw the tradition, the rivalries and all the sports outside football for a few extra millions. the three most successful sports programs by far are USC, UCLA and Stanford, will interesting what happens to all the non football sports.
It's almost as if people don't understand how big and how much of a geographical unpredictability the United States is. Turns out having the super conferences with very long travel times and still having a very unorganized postseason in a radioactive FBS wasn't the best idea.
Can't wait till USC or UCLA baseball has to play a weekend series in Mid March at Northwestern, Penn State, Rutgers, Michigan and or Michigan State.. Coming from a former midwest college baseball player (Chicago State) I hope those Cali boys enjoy spring midwest baseball weather 🤣😎🤣😎 Does Minnesota still play indoors?? I can't remember.. that one could really suck lol
I think the coaches need to be complaining to their administrations, not the press. This situation was created by UCLA and the other former Pac12 teams. I totally agree with him about it, but this was self inflicted.
Unfortunately, the coaches don't have much authority. All the decisions are made by the university president, athletic director and the ties to conference and TV revenue.
Cal & Stanford to ACC makes little sense. They really should withdraw & go to the newly formed PAC 12 w/ Oregon State, Washington St. Fresno St, Boise St, SDSU, Utah St., Colo. St. (& maybe UNLV). For the B1G, they have 4 former PAC 12 teams, I think they make a run at 2 more west coast teams & make a mini-West coast division.
Cal and Stanford would rather be independent than be in a conference with lower tier academic schools. Their pride and ego will never let them be in the same category as Utah State, Boise State and Colorado State.
@@solo.xplorer from what I’ve seen Cal fans wouldn’t have a problem going back to the PAC eventually even with those three schools in there It’s Stanford that’s the problem their pride will end up being their downfall I remember seeing one cheeky fan say they could go independent like my team Notre Dame (I’m British btw) and they got slated rightfully so for thinking they’d be able to get similar money and tv deals to what Notre Dame gets
I don't see the switch to just football o ly because that would effect the B1G network overall. What I do see is in the next media agrrement the B1G is going to push for more western teams and then most likely, they will just have a western conference for all teams that are not football. In my opinion they will push to add Stanford, California, Arizona and then maybe Colorado or another team in the west coast. Then, they will make a western conference in the B1G.
If players and coaches don’t like living on the west coast and playing in an east coast conference they can transfer to an east coast school or to a west coast school that plays in a west coast conference.
I think the B10 kinda messed up by not adding Stanford and Cal. In the NIL money era, the alumni from those schools can get those teams competitive fairly quickly. They'd also be able to travel to U-W, U-OR, UCLA, and USC for games.
No they wouldn't there are already too many teams in the conference. If you go to 20 then it would only be logical to go to two 10 team divisions. Yes that lessons the travel hardship some for basketball, volleyball, and soccer but doesn’t eliminate it. This was strictly a money grab that had nothing to do with competition or what fans want.
I’m praying that in the coming years the pac gets better leadership and hopefully they will convince at the very least Washington, Oregon, and the California school to join back. I don’t mind the Arizona schools, Utah, and Colorado being in the big 12 because they works for them geographically and beside the pac will have 5 new members to replace those 4.
I say this a person who grew up on the west coast. Serves them right. Nobody forced them to leave our conference. PAC-12 was created for a reason.
Exactly, as fans of Pac 12 teams we all saw this coming. Even football is ridiculous, I think USC made three trips across the country in five weeks at one point last season. The non-football sports are even worse.
the administrators chose this move... not the coaches or players
@@brodiebrazil They certainly did, and they're going to reap the whirlwind here. A pretty good USC football team went 7-6, and while there are probably a lot of reasons for that, travel was at least a significant factor. I guess you can point to Oregon and say it's doable, but that seems like an outlier.
The conferences need to work with the schools to limit and ease travel. Play more games in less trips and play games before and after the longer part of the trip. Example UCLA can play Nebraska, then Indiana, then Maryland. Then Rutgers, Penn State and finally Ohio st. Schedule long trips around holidays to limit missing class.
@@brodiebrazil I live a few miles from Pullman. It certainly wasn't unanimous. Regardless, there was a lot of condescension in the Pac toward the schools in fly-over country. Didn't want to water down the brand by including non-"research" universities, so they steadfastly refused to grow as a league. Of course, the real irony was that it was always about the money, not academics.
The PAC 12 was a great conference. None of them should have left.
Don't worry, some will be back in the 2030's.
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 yeah no they won't. None of the teams that left would return to a Pac-12 comprising of old Mountain West schools. Who you're in a league with matters, that's why Cal and Stanford joined the ACC, and also why the 4 corner schools left for the Big 12. Now had the Pac-12 raided the Big 12 after Texas and Oklahoma left then the league would be in a great spot, unfortunately the opposite ended up happening after the LA schools joined the Big Ten.
It's just too bad that some of those schools that left are led by greedy, shortsighted idiots.
The product was great. The business was a dysfunctional, miserable disaster. Everyone who left was completely justified in leaving because the organization was garbage.
The UCLA coach going on like the other teams get to vacation in LA while his team is heavily burdened traveling to the midwest is obnoxious AF. LA is garbage and I'm happy my brother moved away from there so I never have to visit again.
@@XCodes So your criticism of Coach Cronin has little to do with what he was pointing out. It's just that you hate LA so end of discussion? Also, your half truth was an enjoyable yet failed attempt at slanting your point. UCLA isn't just having to go to the midwest. They've gone to the east coast more than once already. All the way to the east coast. He has a point and your hatred of LA doesn't change that.
No one forced UCLA to leave the Pac-12 for the Big 10. Nobody. You reap what you sow. Everybody knew this was going to be a problem so now that it is, why are ya'll complaining?
Agreed 100%
A stupid pure greed move. The only somewhat logical thing to do was for only the football programs to switch conferences and leave the other sports in a western oriented conference.
Yeah, but, as Brodie points out, if not for football the move would never have happened, so it's fair for those involved in other sports to complain. That argument holds if the athletic director or football coaches were complaining, but other coaches and athletes had virtually no say in the decision.
@@benjonesthe3rd200yeah, but no one asked Mick Cronin or any of the players if they wanted this. I think that’s the point Brodie is making that you might be missing. This was made at an organizational level, in coordination with the giant media corporations. Typical American story- big companies doing whatever they want to make money, and who gives a crap about the people who are actually doing the work/playing the game they are selling?
Agreed but it was piss poor leadership that did the conf in. They should have forced expansion when they were going after the Texas schools a few years ago. Some of these notable schools voted no and just made things worse. Not getting a media deal really forced them to look for another conference.. So in a sense they were forced to look for another better deal. Sports in general is every expensive and they could not get any money out of the Pac 12 and that was part of the issue.
Small correction, the ACC should be called the All Coasts Conference.
Then they should start adding teams on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico.... Oh sorry, Gulf of America now
@@champan250only called that in the states and only until you reach international waters, so it’s a dumb change
@@champan250 Florida State was added back in 1992. Suits in Charlotte were playing 4-D chess with that one. And now add SMU. Yeah, it's Dallas, so what? It's still Texas.
Also, Notre Dame representing the Great Lakes. "They're the greatest lakes in the whole world; they're very great lakes. I'm glad the All Coasts Conference recognized this."
Great disadvantage to west coast schools. Hope they enjoy the money
correct
Especially when most 4/5 star recruits go to travel friendly Mississippi State and Fresno State etc.!
Sounds like excuses. He travels to the east coast twice but one was a non-conference game against UNC that was his own choice. The other east coast trip was a 2 game swing against Rutgers and Maryland that he lost both. Then he has three trips to the midwest. Maybe his team is just not that good this year.
Shouldn't even be a conversation. They begged to come to the B1G.
Sleep on the plane. I have a red eye from Portland to Omaha in 3 weeks and I will sleep.
Football conferences really do need to be a separate entity from the conferences for every other sport for this to work.
Just ask Notre dame, they get away with the non football conference bias all the time
I wish they would have created football-only conferences (kind of like how there are hockey-only conferences) but deals were signed. Not much can be done at this point.
I think they are headed in that direction to be honest.
I think some future iteration of the conference alignment will be to carve out football into its own “league” for P5 and then break that down into 4 or 6 “divisions”, and have tv revenue negotiated at the “league” level and shared among everyone. Similar to the NFL model.
@@davidt_canucks - Not if the SEC starts to nose dive!
Then get ready for MORE 1/2 star recruits, Pac traitors!
Not enough schools play hockey for football to copy its model
What is really bad as well is that most of us fans of the Big10 really didn't want those schools to begin with.
We didn’t want Maryland and Rutgers
@KillUhG99 I agree and I'm a MD fan lol!
Be grateful you didn't get stuck with UConn too!
@bigfootwalker5399 yeah really lol
@@audrisampson Duke-Maryland mbb was an awesome yearly rivalry
The administrators and Boards of Trustees knew travel was going to be an issue, but they absolutely did not care. Money talks...
They may once recruiting losses results in numerous 6-6 or worse seasons with mediocre being the top of the mountain!
Money does not talk with me and the administrators will be losing their jobs after their schools are forced back to their old conferences.
Brodie is the voice of the West Coast sports both professional and college.
Cal and Stanford in the ACC makes about as much sense as the Atlanta Braves and Cincinnati Reds being in the NL West (or the Nashville Sounds being in the PCL).
agreed
Don’t forget when the Arizona Cardinals were in the NFC East
As Archie Bunker sang,those were the days
Don't forget the Astros were in the NL West also. I liked it better back then even though it made no sense.
Are the Dallas cowboys being in the NFC East go back when Atlanta was in the NFC Wes
Good I'm glad they're unhappy. Destroyed what I loved, Beavs in The Desert, Oregon in The Palouse, UCLA at Zona, etc.
Pac-12 and Big XII messed up when they didn't merge 15 years ago. Texas A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left the Big XII. The Big XII got much weaker and after a period of being dominant with USC, Cal, and Oregon being at the forefront of college football in the 2000's the Pac 12 became forgotten.
@@MrRicklynch57It was close to happening around 2009-10. The college sports landscape would look very different now if that had happened. The Big East Conference collapsing soon afterwards set all this conference realignment mess into motion.
I’m an LSU fan, and I hate how the SEC is now, even if it makes more geographic sense than the rest of the conferences now. I wish we could go back to how the conferences were 15 years ago.
@@MrRicklynch57 Conferences should never be allowed to merge. I look forward to conferences being capped at 10 teams maximum and the return of the Big 8 and SWC Conferences. Time for college football to go back to the 1960s.
I was on the light rail this fall and the UW women’s soccer team was sitting next to my family and I asked them about this, and the players really didn’t like being in the big 10. Most of the players come from the West Coast and they miss seeing friends at the schools they traveled to, and the travel was brutal. It was so much demoralizing though since there really isn’t anything they look forward to on these road trips now.
Heard the same from a Wake Forest player about having to go to California and back, it's exhausting for them.
Funny I sat next to some Stanford players on their way to Vegas and they said the same thing. They hated the change and would rather be back in the Pac or independent.
This will be great for recruiting.
Brodie. It's so IRONIC that of all the former Pac 12 school coaches' that could come out complaining, it's Nick Cronin of UCLA. UCLA and USC were the two schools that spearheaded the break up of the Pac 12. And now it's a UCLA coach that's complaining. Too funny.
well yes, that's true, but... did nick get to make the pac-12 decision? he's just dealing with the aftermath
@@brodiebrazilPerhaps we should get a court order to force them back to the conference where they originated, if not forcing the Congress to pass a law to prevent such bullshit from ever happening.
To be fair it was Stanford and Cal that blocked expansion. I can't recall how UCLA voted. I remember they were going to add a few Big 10 schools at the time and the Big would have been in trouble.. Stanford and Cal voted against expansion so they are just as much at fault.
@@scotttild - Big 12, you
Mary-Olivia-Ron-Omar-Nancy!
Also, the Pac would have been fine if it wasn't for Larry Scott and his
Ingrid-Diane-Irma-Otto-Tom
presidents!
@@brodiebrazil - well yes, that's true, but... did mick get to make the pac-12 decision? he's just dealing with the aftermath
*Fixed.*
The Pac12 collapsed from within beginning with Larry Scott. The aftermath is pure greed. But, maybe someone will come to their senses and see the travel make the cuttent situation unsustainable. I live in Tucson, the AZ basketball team is on a five ( possibly six day depending on snow/ice) road trip. Partly due to Big12 scheduling Sat-Tues games). That's not sustainable, especially for the non-revenue sports.
As someone who grew up in Big Ten country, lived in So Cal, and now resides in Big Ten country again, I was saddened at the demise of the traditional PAC 12 and addition of the four schools to the Big Ten. All the extra traveling across country has impacted player performance.
6:40:" Affects on smaller sports". There are already rumblings that schools throughout the country may be dropping altogether sports such as track and field because they are small or non existent revenue generators. With the additional cost on athletic budgets for NIL, along with things like the impact of conference realignment on travel costs, schools, UCLA, included, will ask, "Why are paying traveling costs ( like he is citing) to send XYZ sport's team five times a year to travel east when it is small ( or no ) revenue sport?" So in near future, track and field, gymnastics, swimming, cross country, golf and even possibly baseball at some schools are going to be axed.
Or at the very least locked to regional areas
Oh, I know a lot of these students are going to get pissed off and we might get another lawsuit like they've been thrown around like candy recently.
Yup! Just look at middle/Jr High athletic programs and that what you are going to get plus football. $ always has and always will eventually destroy everything. Look at pro boxing… killed the golden goose and now you can’t even tell me who the world champion is. And, further more even care. 10 years at this pace, football is dead.
I hope so! And maybe colleges can return to their true purpose, education.
@@Justanobody-11 Football will NEVER die.
Conferences need to be regional.
TV is no longer regional.
The SEC is and always has been regional
@@larryhankins3586 Loosely, but it at least now save maybe the MWC the most regional.
Any kind of traveling sucks! I did it for my job and traveled for almost 30 years (now retired), but I absolutely detested it.
Same here broth per Covid I Travel east of to the Mississippi twice a month hated every minute of it especially coming back from Miami . Thankfully I’m retiring at the end of this year and only traveling few time this year 👍🏻
I did too and it's worse now then ever.
@@user-bc6ok1yh4s try being a long distance Greyhound driver. (Charter & Tour). Fort Irwin to Fort Collins, Reno to Yellowstone, the “Western swing” SF, Lake Tahoe, day 1, Yosemite day 2, Death Valley, Las Vegas, day 3, Oatman, LA day 4, Disneyland, Midevial Times, day 5 LAX day 6, then reverse on day 7 with an add of Solvang, and a loss of Oatman. Try that for a summer! Why do foreigners want to go to Death Valley in the summer? Because they don’t have a place in Europe that is 55° C. Each person brings one 60 pound hard case samsonite suitcase times 36, that I get to schlepp around twice a day for 6 days…
Baseball and football trips to Candlestick. (Easy part of the job)
20 years ago it was a huge deal when BC became the only Northern team in the ACC. Now Stanford, Cal, and SMU are also in that conference.
The east coast teams have to travel west...everyone knew this would be the case so complaining about it now means nothing.
Great putting this point out there that was hiding in plain sight
Cronin said when he took the job (in 2019), he looked at the record when going to the East Coast and it was below .500 for the previous 20 years. I would assume so. Before joining the Big 10, they were not going east to be playing Norfolk St or Drexel but UNC and Kentucky.
Stanford and Cal-Berkeley, two of the most prestigious universities in the USA, yet they apparently don't know that the ocean only a few miles from their campuses is the "Pacific" Ocean while they are in the "Atlantic" Coast Conference.
And, the sad part is California and Stanford are not going to go back to this current Pac-12. They would rather go independent than deal with any Mountain West school that they deem academically inferior.
@@M_11_m41n They will be forced back to the Pac when the government makes everyone go back where they came from. College football will go back to the 60s and the the SWC and Big 8 will be resurrected.
Studying at Stanford was hard, not to mention we were on the quarter system. I can't imagine being a student-athlete and having to travel back east regularly.
Didn't Stanford just knock off UNC in Chapel Hill?
Yes, Coach did speak out against the travel; HOWEVER, he directed his ire at someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the decisions. I hope he reserved some of his vitriol for his own AD and president.
Reading between the lines, I think he's short.
Swimming is a meet sport and you’re not required to do “conference matchups” for those. It’s an issue for basketball, volleyball, soccer, football slightly, field hockey, lacrosse, baseball, softball.
West Coast = Broke East Coast = 💰.
Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St. and Utah are, at least, nearby the Big XII
I like that the Big 12 is getting lumped into this. "The teams in the four corners region have to make frequent trips to Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, oh the horror!"
When it comes to college basketball, I bleed orange and blue (Go Illini!). The present organization of collegiate sports conferences makes no sense to me.
Sunset / West = 👎 (vs) Sunrise / East = 👍.
There should be one set of conference affiliations for football and another for all of the other sports....
This is why having such a gap in media deals is not good for college competition.
All these west coast teams in the ACC, is ludicrous. This creates huge travel expenditures. Geographically, Brodie, why would you do that?
Money as in revenue from huge TV contracts.
The media's role in the college conference realignment saga wasn't mentioned as a takeaway. The PAC-12 conference suffered from sports media East Coast bias since most money-making conferences are east of the Rocky Mountains.
FOX, CBS, ESPN/ABC, and NBC prefer Rocky Mountain East competitions due to meeting the Eastern and Central time zone broadcast windows. West Coast and Rocky Mountain trams are at a disadvantage, not only with Tier-1 broadcast windows but also from lucrative media rights deals.
Football is the driver. The colleges' other sports are passengers who don't have control over the destination.
Conference realignment shows that the media is forcing conferences to consolidate into super conferences, and the West Coast universities would be left out if they don't join one of those conferences east of the Rocky Mountains.
Many former PAC-12 schools did what they had to be done to stay relevant in today's competitive media market.
The health and well-being of student-athletes are acceptable collateral damage in the eyes of the greed and money of media exes and school administrators.
Correct and it was the non power football schools Ie Stanford and Cal that blocked expansion into Texas and killed any chance the Pac was able to continue.
And this is why there should not be any TV deals and no school should get a cent of TV revenue. The NCAA needs to have complete control of college sports on TV and some schools don't deserve to be on TV at all. Just go watch the games in person. You can't go the games? Listen to them on the radio or fly across the country every weekend in the fall.
The media is partially at fault for corporatizing the product, but they aren't biased against the West Coast schools out of spite. The media has always catered to its largest viewership concentration, and most of the country's population is east of the Rockies. Larger population and higher volume of competitive schools.
Since the NCAA began allowing conferences to negotiate TV rights, there have been only a handful of football programs west of the Rockies that have been nationally relevant. USC, Oregon, Washington, Colorado and _maybe_ UCLA. Over that same span, there have been at least 3x as many programs East of the Rockies with similar or better clout.
Brodie, most of the teams (besides football and basketball) fly commercial. I've seen so many different teams flying on connecting flights in the airport, and I've flown with a few teams as well. That makes it even worse because, for example, the baseball team has to go through TSA like the rest of us.
correct, football is guaranteed to be chartered with so many people & equipment. everything else is mostly commercial flights, which makes the travel even that much more difficult
@@brodiebrazil swimming is less affected, lots of non conference duel meets. Cal men for example travel OUT of state for the Minnesota Invite, a non conference dual meet at ASU, national team guys went to Budapest for World Short Course (but that's the same travel for all schools) ACC's are in Greensboro & NCAA's are in Seattle. Apart from international meets Florida seems have a harder travel schedule.
Working for Delta, I see yeam equipment offloading, for all college sports, except football. This has to be a huge inconvenience to the players performance, especially during a tight schedule.
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People forget about that 3 hour time difference lol
UCLA wanted to join the Big Ten. The midwest and east coast haven’t moved, so I’m not sure how they can turn around and call foul now. They knew what they were signing up for. Use some of your new Big Ten money to upgrade the team charter so your players can be more comfortable on those long trips and perform better.
That ain't going to do
Sal-Harry-Ingrid-Tom,
you
Ron-Ed-Ted-Alice-Ryan-Dave!
JETLAG is JETLAG! Say goodbye to most 4/5 star recruits in ALL sports!
Never was fair outside the power 5 schools. Everybody else has had crazy travel always on the road for years!
Thanks for the year old story.
That kind of crazy travel for sports other than football is what I was worried about. This makes me glad that USF (my alma mater), Memphis, Tulane and UTSA didn't leave The American to be outliers in the reconfigured Pac-12. Our travel would've been similar to what Cronin, who I remember from Cincinnati, was talking about.
I am so happy that the University of Memphis did not join the Pac-12.
Imagine being an equestrian college team having to transfer Horses
😳😳
Imagine being greedy, I mean stupid enough to not realize what effect moving to the Big 10 (or the ACC) would be. I thought it was insane at the time and it still is. It will not work long term. I predict that within 10 years, all of the former Pac-12 teams will realize their major f*ck up and try to either rejoin the Pac-12 or start a new, more regional conference.
Try Sailing and a boat..... Horses at least move on their own... LOL
Like rodeo, they have their conferences aligned differently
I like that, I'd definitely check that out.
Arizona alum here 🐻⬇️
Last season in senior day I enjoyed being at the final PAC-12 home games in my schools history and still maintain the move to the Big 12 was the right one especially given how much their hands were tied
That said while travel is further I don’t think it’s quite as bad for the 4 corners schools in the B12 vs west coast schools in the ACC and B10
Great content, Brodie. Your reaction to Cronin made me (literally) LOL. I loved the "Eiffel Tower" slip.
Also, I would think that the increased travel costs might cause these west coast schools to drop some of the minor sports programs altogether. And perhaps some potential recruits might enroll elsewhere to avoid the grueling travel schedule.
agreed
They have relegated a few already, Sailing was a major Pac 12 sport and now just a club spot there are a few others as well.
And now the Big 10 is the Big 16 the Big twelve is the medium sixteen, the ACC is the A&PCC and the SEC is the SESWC
Seems like we’re headed towards two mega conferences with the Big Ten and SEC having 20-24 teams. I hate it.
I can’t see the ACC surviving the next conference realignment. Seems like many of those schools are already preparing to be gobbled up.
@@michaelstein7510I’m an SEC and I hate it too. What the hell do they need Texas and OK? You lose rivalries you lose tradition. You just turned yourself into the AHL of football. They had the golden goose and they had to cut him open because they got greedy.
@@jamescaron6465 Yeah, I’m an LSU fan, and I don’t like the current shape of the conference. I wish we could go back to 2010 before the Big East died and all the conferences were regional and made sense. The insane travel is gonna kill lots of teams in non-revenue sports.
@@michaelstein7510I do too. We didn’t need Missouri or A&M. Bama LSU is college football perfection. We might not get to see that every year now.
I agree completely with the travel. I remember a number of years ago I was sitting in LAX waiting for a connecting flight. It was about 10 am and I saw the UCLA softball team come in and they all look like zombies. They must’ve played a late game and then flew all night to get back in a few minutes later the Arizona softball team came in and they look like zombies too so they must’ve played as well and flew all night to get there to play a game against UCLA . Can you imagine having to go Coast to Coast to do that now?
B1G has 18 teams.
Why did all those schools not think about that when they pissed themselves and bailed on the PAC12?
OK
Here we are.
They did think about it. But they're greedy
Speaking as a UW alum, I rather be in this position than relegated like WSU and Oregon St. Being able to have this discussion is still a better situation than the financial uncertainties leading to programs getting gutted, coaches and players being poached by Wake Forest (!), and losing a spot in a power conference.
Thanks ESPN!
It's going to be so much fun watching ESPN trying to survive on its own when Disney gets broken up and loses all its acquisitions putting it back in its place as just an animation studio with some theme parks run by people who ask "What would Walt do?" again like they did for decades after he passed.
They should all go back and reform the PACK 12. Add some of the new members and restructure and obtain a new tv deal.
I think they will regret this decision. I wonder the impact this will have on students performance academically, students getting adequate rest, and other factors. Sometimes colleges need to put these factors first ahead of TV Revenue. Also it goes against environmental sustainability goals too with how much fuel is used for the airplanes. It also leads to higher travel costs.
Personally I think that this may change sooner than later. I could see schools maybe doing this for football but being members of other more local conferences in the future for other more smaller sports.
I can also see tired student athletes playing for less seasons and going to club teams which are often more local.
Boy did I ever have to scroll a mile to find one single person mention the impact on academics. I wish I were more shocked that no one cares at all.
The whole situation proves that NCAA football is a professional sport where decisions are made with an eye toward profits above all. Yet the athletes are denied any direct pay on the grounds that they are students.
If this were about student athletes and fostering their success in life none of this would even begin to be considered. Minimizing travel and prioritizing student wellbeing would be the only considerations involved in conference alignment. Money would literally not enter into it.
Now just to support the football and basketball businesses literally all student athletes must suffer negative impacts on themselves and their educations. Outrageous doesn't even begin...
@ If I was going to do the conference regions I would do it by grouping schools in small groups of states together:
* Island Pacific Region: Hawaii, Alaska, Western Canada, Guam, Occassional playing of Washington, Oregon, or California.
* West Region: California, Arizona, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Utah.
* Upper Northwest Region: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas.
* Northern Midwest: Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia.
* South: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia,North Carolina, South Carolina.
* Northeast: Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine
If they did conferences arranged more like this it would balance travel with academics.
@stphinkle The size of the school is also important but that should largely be taken care of by the divisions. But yeah this is basically how things started because sports were originally a way for students to bond and have some fun playing and cheering on their friends and school colors. Turning into a multi billion dollar business that trumps the core mission of the institutions hurts students and the universities themselves in the long run.
“What they’re finding out now…”
WHO could’ve seen this in advance?!
Yeah because sitting your butt on a plane an extra 2 to 3 hrs is just too much 🙄, Free travel for the players and coaches, Mean while people think the good life is traveling and they got to pay for it, Yes I know they are their for different reasons but they don’t stay in a room the whole time. Furthermore NBA players do far more traveling omg how do they manage???
NHL travels greater than NBA.
WOW! I was not expecting the UCLA coach to out McEnroe's "You cannot be serious".
Overbloated conferences is what ruined the Western Athletic Conference in 1999. At some point, an Ohio State and Michigan will NOT enjoy splitting the money pie 24 ways etc., and when that happens, watch as these conferences become the new WAC, while the new conferences become the Mountain West!
The WAC had two major problems. First, it was expanded so that a great conference champion would get a Bowl Alliance invitation. This failed to happen in 1996.
Second, they were using divisions instead of more recently designed scheduling models like flex protect. If Utah/BYU were playing CSU/Wyo more than once every four years, they wouldn't have demanded realigning the divisions, which was what sent Air Force to the exit.
The other thing that helps now is money: the Big Ten and SEC make so much more than anyone else that there's no appeal in leaving, and then the Big XII and ACC make so much more than the G6 conferences that nobody in one of those will leave except to move to the other or up.
I was a student at the University of Utah during those bloated WAC days. The formation of the MWC made a lot of sense to me.
USC alum here. Back in college, anytime our Trojan football team would play a game at Stanford or Cal, we'd have Weekender road trips up north to either go to the games and/or the rallies or just hang out in the Bay Area. So much fun and such a big part of my college experience -- ALL GONE NOW.
I don't know a single USC alum - or even any UCLA alums for that matter - that actually likes the whole Big 10 thing. Euggggh. Eventually this will all implode and either the Pac 12 will make a comeback or a new conference of major western universities will be formed. I don't see this being sustainable at all in the long run.
The superconferences for tv football dollars were always a ridiculous idea. Your favorite teams would be shelling out lotsa bucks for all that travel, supposedly compensated by getting a kickback for going to somebody else’s school.
At least the intersectional travel for interconference games prepared some baseball, basketball, hockey, and soccer players for travel in the pro leagues. Right?
The schools will start to care (a little) if they are unable to recruit players for basketball and other sports who don’t what to deal with the travel.
I have lived in Salem, Oregon for 23 years. But, I lived west of Seattle for 14 1/2, two different times beforehand. I will always be loyal to my Seattle teams first, then the rest of Washington. The demise of the PAC-12 is one reason why I've always been more loyal to teams, than conferences.
As a wvu fan we felt this as soon as we joined the big 12. I miss the big east
I wonder how Cal and Stanford will enjoy going to the east coast for baseball, golf, volleyball, water polo and all the other men’s and women’s sports.
hey Mick how are the UCLA women and the USC women doing ?under conference losses I see goose eggs. they don;t complain they just continue to win. no excuses just victories.
The whole system needs to be realigned from the conferences. But don't see that happening unless the FBS ratings have a unprecedented decline.
It will all get fixed eventually as the Super League forms in stages.
Future 38-team CFB Super League w/ schools allowed to negotiate their own TV contracts with media companies in the market:
Pacific Conference
- 8 schools
Southwest Conference
- 8 schools
Southeast Conference
- 10 schools
Atlantic Conference
- 10 schools
Independent
- Notre Dame
- Clemson
Not a chance. What will happen is the Make College Football Great Again movement drags the sport back to the 1960s and everyone is ordered back to their former conferences with conferences capped at no more than 10 teams and no realignment. The Southwestern and Big 8 Conferences will be reformed and there will be no more TV deals for anyone. The NCAA will have complete control over TV and who gets to be on the air. People will have to go watch the games in person or listen on the radio if their schools are not on TV. Back to the 1960s.
I knew from the start that this was gonna be a disaster and I wasn’t the only one either. Growing up in Ohio, I used to be an Ohio State fan especially their football team. I used to also root for the University of Dayton and Wright State in basketball and even used to go to some of their games. I was not happy at all when I heard the news that Texas and Oklahoma announced that they were jumping ship from the Big 12 to the SEC. I didn’t think it could get worse from there until the Big 12 announced that they would be adding Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston (the only one that makes sense geographically), and Brigham Young and I didn’t think that things would get worse from there until UCLA and USC both decided to jump ship for the Big Ten. When that announcement was made, I decided that I was done with college sports. I have not watched a single college football game in over two years now because of it nor have I watched any college basketball since. I don’t even care that Ohio State won the national championship either nor do I care that they finally expanded the College Football Playoffs which should’ve been done years ago instead of waiting until it was too little too late. This new landscape makes just as much sense as the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals playing in the NFC East, the Indianapolis Colts playing in the AFC South, or even the Carolina Panthers, New Orleans Saints, and Atlanta Falcons playing in the NFC West. It’s all about the money. Regionality and Rivalries got thrown out of the window. It’s only a matter of time before they lose fans and eventually money. They fucked around and now they’re gonna find out. If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes
It's even worse for the teams that joined the ACC - here's Stanford WBB x-country in-conference trips this season - Jan 2/5 at SMU and Clemson, Jan 16/19 at Wake Forest and Duke, Feb 6/9 at Notre Dame and Louisville, Feb 20/23 at Virginia Tech and UVA, March 5-9 ACC tourney Greensboro. Same is true for mens bb, softball, baseball etc. and many of these sports travel commercially. The whole situation is ridiculous. Stanford and Cal should not have joined the ACC.
No they need to go back and reform the PAC. Find a way to work with the upper end MWC teams that just joined and grow the market.
This Coach brought the smackdown on this topic!
Why are they tied into conferences for the other sports? In the big east, you had a bunch of schools who were not competing in football but were in basketball.
It might be best for the football conferences to be their own thing. The other sports can organize into more regional non-football conferences.
@@xenialafleurThat should have happened first, not this money grabbing disregarding everything else.
No, November & December UCLA mostly non conference schedule, or shed well if ya English.
January & February bulk conference so that is called 🍒 ⛏️
NCAA Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, Final Four will remain non conference.
Long travel is a problem for all the former PAC12 schools that joined the Big 10 or ACC but not so much for those who joined the Big 12. Most of the schools in the Big 12 are in the Midwest or Southwest parts of the country. With the exception of traveling to Cincinnati and Morgantown, West Virginia, travel really isn't a huge issue for Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado.
Myself, and many people in my area of ACC schools thought it was asinine we accepted California schools into the conference.
It was asinine.
The schools that have left the PAC12 are seeing the direction of the future of college sports and are ensuring that they have a place in it. I still see about 2 more rounds of realignment adding somewhere between 10-14 of the nations schools from the ACC and B12. Then these 2 super conferences will break away leaving the rest in a reduced tier 2 regional situation. This is painful now....but in 5 years we will probably have other PAC schools like Arizona, Stanford, Colorado, maybe Utah included in BIG and will probably doing cross scheduling with SEC where Texas and Oklahoma are on the schedule. This move was to ensure USC and UCLA have a place in the future.
UCLA and USC effectively blew up the Pac-12 when they left to join the Big Ten. I have zero sympathy for the ADs and boosters. Now, I feel bad for the basketball, etc. (non-football) staff and players who did not sign up for travel fatigue. The Big Ten WILL expand to 24 teams - to include Cal and Stanford, which will certainly alleviate some of the travel imbalances. Once the Big Ten expands large enough, perhaps they could create divisional schedules that better reflect the Eastern/Western Conferences in the NBA?
Don't forget Oregon and Washington bolting shortly after too. San Diego St and SMU were set to join the PAC after the LA Schools departures. Then the Ducks and Huskies split
They need separate conferences for Football.
Cal and Stanford should re-join the PAC. There is nothing in the ACC worth crossing the country for. If the PAC can get even a 15 million TV deal, the net money won't be much different.
Big10 covers the top four media markets, won the last two CFB natl championships (plus others), and has the most revenue sharing $. Travel and schedules need some tweaking where say the hoops and volleyball teams could travel together if more than two time zones.
"EASTCOAST STOMPIN, RIPPIN & ROMPIN" - Scenario, Tribe Called Quest.
as a long time Pac 10/12 fan, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for them. All the schools said screw the tradition, the rivalries and all the sports outside football for a few extra millions. the three most successful sports programs by far are USC, UCLA and Stanford, will interesting what happens to all the non football sports.
It's almost as if people don't understand how big and how much of a geographical unpredictability the United States is. Turns out having the super conferences with very long travel times and still having a very unorganized postseason in a radioactive FBS wasn't the best idea.
It’s the worst. I won’t support any teams that left the PAC -12 which bowed down to football
Ahh this sounds like a THEM problem. Failure to think things through is on you.
Can't wait till USC or UCLA baseball has to play a weekend series in Mid March at Northwestern, Penn State, Rutgers, Michigan and or Michigan State.. Coming from a former midwest college baseball player (Chicago State) I hope those Cali boys enjoy spring midwest baseball weather 🤣😎🤣😎
Does Minnesota still play indoors?? I can't remember.. that one could really suck lol
I think the coaches need to be complaining to their administrations, not the press. This situation was created by UCLA and the other former Pac12 teams. I totally agree with him about it, but this was self inflicted.
Unfortunately, the coaches don't have much authority. All the decisions are made by the university president, athletic director and the ties to conference and TV revenue.
Cal & Stanford to ACC makes little sense. They really should withdraw & go to the newly formed PAC 12 w/ Oregon State, Washington St. Fresno St, Boise St, SDSU, Utah St., Colo. St. (& maybe UNLV). For the B1G, they have 4 former PAC 12 teams, I think they make a run at 2 more west coast teams & make a mini-West coast division.
Cal and Stanford would rather be independent than be in a conference with lower tier academic schools. Their pride and ego will never let them be in the same category as Utah State, Boise State and Colorado State.
@@solo.xplorer from what I’ve seen Cal fans wouldn’t have a problem going back to the PAC eventually even with those three schools in there
It’s Stanford that’s the problem their pride will end up being their downfall
I remember seeing one cheeky fan say they could go independent like my team Notre Dame (I’m British btw) and they got slated rightfully so for thinking they’d be able to get similar money and tv deals to what Notre Dame gets
I don't see the switch to just football o ly because that would effect the B1G network overall.
What I do see is in the next media agrrement the B1G is going to push for more western teams and then most likely, they will just have a western conference for all teams that are not football.
In my opinion they will push to add Stanford, California, Arizona and then maybe Colorado or another team in the west coast.
Then, they will make a western conference in the B1G.
Coach lost his mind. The women are #1 in the country 17-0 and playing the same schedule . Give me a break !
If players and coaches don’t like living on the west coast and playing in an east coast conference they can transfer to an east coast school or to a west coast school that plays in a west coast conference.
That's why they say Chicago teams have the best travel
Dallas and Houston too, three cities that are airport hubs in the middle of the country, non stop flights anywhere
With Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah in the Big 12, SC and UCLA should join that conference.
PAC-12 and Big XII should have merged and the Eastern time zone schools in the Big XII should have joined ACC or Big 10.
College sports, at least Football and Basketball, are not college sports, they are minor league pro sports.
If we wanna talk about travel, take a look at D2 Alaska Fairbanks and Alaska Anchorage
true, but that's a whole different story
Go Nanooks!
While I feel bad for these players...look at Hawaii!!!
Cry me a river... Thy left for greed. They care not for anything else
the schools left... coaches and players didn't
I think the B10 kinda messed up by not adding Stanford and Cal. In the NIL money era, the alumni from those schools can get those teams competitive fairly quickly. They'd also be able to travel to U-W, U-OR, UCLA, and USC for games.
No they wouldn't there are already too many teams in the conference. If you go to 20 then it would only be logical to go to two 10 team divisions. Yes that lessons the travel hardship some for basketball, volleyball, and soccer but doesn’t eliminate it. This was strictly a money grab that had nothing to do with competition or what fans want.
Rumor has it that Fox wasn’t sold on the idea of Stanford and California being in the Big Ten
Even if the teams in the East had to head West as often, heading East is always more stressful than heading West.
I’m praying that in the coming years the pac gets better leadership and hopefully they will convince at the very least Washington, Oregon, and the California school to join back. I don’t mind the Arizona schools, Utah, and Colorado being in the big 12 because they works for them geographically and beside the pac will have 5 new members to replace those 4.