The dimple or mark on the side of the hull is from the sensor on their pressure testing barrels... I have a bunch of rifle brass like that from when I worked at Barnes. It all shoots fine.
Yes ,and how about some range time shooting slugs 50 yds and 100 .great stuff. already been going through watching your other videos 67 so far giving you 👍up on all of them 🤠
Both of our 410’s are full choke which would lead to bad accuracy but my uncle has a mossberg 500 in 410 I’ll see if he will let me borrow it. It’s got interchangeable chokes.
Yes, more .410 please! Id like to see some stuff on .395” roundball loads and something on homemade slugs…Ive heard some are using cast handgun bullets as slugs in .410. Thanks!
@@theshotgunscientists I have a Western Field bolt action.410 that is full choke and it shoots rifled slugs very accurately, especially the Remington or Federal ones in 2 1/2" and 3"
@@leonardcavaretta905 I was referring to solid projectiles like a bullet, not a foster slug. Foster slugs through a .410 definitely benefit from a full choke.
Excellent job. I mix and match like you do and pattern them on the board. I get asked all the time, " do you have any loads right out of the book"? Hardly any!😈
No tss yet, and because this load is already pretty high pressure. Adding buffer would increase the weight this increasing pressure. If I had h110 powder buffer would be fine.
Another great video. I mainly shoot clays with 20ga & 12ga, but recently bought a 410 for my grandkids (& me) to shoot. It's harder to hit clays with a 410, but once I could, going back to 20 & 12ga felt like cheating (too easy). I started out shooting 2.5" 410, but now shoot mainly 3". I reload both 2.5" & 3" 410 shells with 209 primers, 16gr H110, the red WAA41 wads & #8.5 shot (0.5oz & 11/16oz). I've never been able to get 3/4oz into the 3" 410 shells like you did. I wonder if it's due to your less powder charge ?
You should be able to get 3/4oz to fit any 3” hull with h110. Wins and Rems might be the toughest to fit as they have smaller capacities. But I get 3/4oz loads with win296 (h110 and win296 are the exact same powder, and interchangeable) in every hull I load. Winchesters, Remingtons, Fiocchi’s, Cheddites and Federals. The federals have the largest capacity of the 410 hulls and will even fit 13/16oz, which ive worked up a load for. With feds, fio’s and cheds, I load cheddite primers(cx2000), 15gr of win296, and the waa410hs wad. The rems and wins, you need to back of a grain or grain and a half, for pressure and fit.
@@theshotgunscientists possibly, ill have to try and see if 13/16oz will fit them also, but what I’ve noticed with the rems is they show pressure at way lower velocities than the other hulls. The feds are my favorite, largest capacity and im getting 1150fps with a 3/4oz load in my 18.5” rossi. They’re about 1200fps in my stevens 301T(26”). The 13/16oz in the federals is right at 1100fps in the rossi. 300mp is another great powder for these heavy 410 loads, similar charge weights as win296
Your video on 410 really brings out technique, having a Mec 600 (pre 1982) all steel for 410 and 12 I will tell you that the little pea shooter can be a pain. Nice job love that taper crimp from 3d thinking about just ordering one and doing all my 410 that I have loaded , otherwise than can chamber sometimes a bit snug. Hit the jackpot the other day found some Alladin 410 powder , bought 2 pounds, normally I use WW296. Thankyou. guys
@@theshotgunscientists If you get a chance to try a roll crimp made by GAEP (brass) please do, You can cut 1/4 inch off of regular once fired hulls and do a roll crimp, I could not believe how beautiful they came out. I also have a roll crimper from Ballistic Products, it is good and adequate but the brass one really does a nice job.
You have inspired me to start reloading shot shells. I got my new lee load all 2 last week and a large box of federal paper 12ga hulls. My goal is to load some squirrel and rabbit loads for this years small game season. Do you have any suggestions for good loads with 1-1/8 or 1-1/4 oz of 6 shot? What wads and powder do you recommend? Thanks!
Cheddite primers, Winchester WSF powder, mg42 wads and 20 gauge 1/4” felt wads. You can get everything from ballistic products besides maybe the powder, they might have it in stock currently not sure. Everything else is in stock. If not go to your local sporting goods store or call them and ask if they have it. It’ll do both loads great. Hodgdons website has free load data for the powder, but since you’re new to reloading, load 1-2 grains less powder than what the load calls for and use the mg42 wad instead of the listed wad. Doing this will keep pressures in safe ranges. Listed powder charges are usually the max charge but not always. I’ll do a video covering this soon.
Last time i checked , here in Florida , we have to use #2 or greater loads for turkey so for me looks like Daisy BBs , but what are the chances some game warden is going to disassemble my rounds to see I'm following rules , mind you I'll most likely be hunting on Gov't land ? Turkey hunting aside , in the past i had thought about using rifle and handgun bullets in place of normal ammo due to the rounds for deer hunting aren't either available or are expensive and some of those rounds i remembered were .41 mag and i believe an older rifle round that is either no longer existing or is rare and i believe it is something like 405 Jeffries , I'm bad at not annotating my findings . I don't have loading equipment and don't really plan on buying any but at first i wasn't sure if it was safe so i had decided to do it similar to muzzleloaders in which it involved raming an projectile down the barrel and using an blank round or an round with a very light load to propel the projectile out the barrel . But if i do get loading equipment do you think rifle and/or handgun rounds loaded with a projectile would be safe to use and how effective would they be from an smooth bore .410 ?
Is 10-13K psi capable of "moving" primer metal? It takes 65-70K psi to move rifle primers. Maybe there is a difference in metallurgy of the cups. Just something I've always wondered about. A fun 410 load for me is what I call 410 Barnswallow. It uses #10 Magnum shot at about 1100 fps. Fairly new (5 years) shotshell reloader here. Been enjoying your vids. Thanks!
Yeah with Shotshells people claim there are never any pressure signs but they most certainly do get them. The brass will bubble around the rim, primer will be completely flat with the firing pin mark starting to flow back into the firing pin hole, extractors will rip through rims on semi autos, brass will crack or split
Man do i wish someone could do a real accurate and heavy 410 slug for deer hunting. The current slugs available work, but you gotta keep shots real close. Just alwayscseemed there waa potential to make the little 410 at least as goodcas a 357 magnum or better.
@@theshotgunscientists I know they make quite a few .358 diameter rifle bullets that might work. Not sure what kind of velocity your looking at, but anything designed for the old 35 Remington should perform nicely at its intended 2k fps muzzle vel with 180 to 200 grain bullets. Wanna say 1-16 twist rate was common, so I'm not sure if/how your gonna do that. I know there has got to be at least a few companies that make a 410 rifled choke, and I would sure be interested to see what kind of results you get. I only hope you use a good scope, solid rest, and accurate gun, because I was very interested in this very thing a few years ago, but a lot of things I've read said it was a pain in the ass to get 410 to perform like a rifle. I will see if I can dig up anything from emails.
@@anonymousf454 if you join the buck and slug reloaders group on Facebook you’ll see the video before it’s live on here. We just used joshes fixed full choke single shot, I hit the 4” steel plate at 42 yards first shot. At about 8 yards both of us had really good groups and they seemed to be flying true for the most part. This weekend we will be testing them for longer range accuracy from the lead sled. Depending on bullet weight we got 1546 fps and 1275 fps.
@@theshotgunscientists no problem. I use a similar. 410 kit. Mine doesn't have the crimp part that attaches to the sleeve just a flat top. Sure beats the way I used to do it with sockets and a punch.
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 gaep/omv tooling. They make factory looking shells and are much faster and easier. Any of the more recent .410 reloading videos should show them.
@@theshotgunscientists what exactly will I need to order to convert a Lee load all II to load 28ga. I’m new to loading shotgun shells. Thanks for the help.
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 Gaep or omv 28 gauge crimp starter, ribassatore, and omv 28 gauge crimp finisher. 3/4” to 7/8” rubber expansion plugs about 1” in height with a steel washer to screw crimp tools to and they’ll slide up in the crimp tubes of the press. Watch the video we did titled lee load all upgrades and modifications I put out about a month ago.
Please do more 410 loads and show how these Turkey loads pattern at 25 yards thanks enjoy your videos
Will do
Personally i dont have any 410 dogs in the hunt but judging from the comments and likes I'd say yeah, do some more 410 lol.
Tyler....wade rushes unclaimed son? .....maybe
The dimple or mark on the side of the hull is from the sensor on their pressure testing barrels... I have a bunch of rifle brass like that from when I worked at Barnes. It all shoots fine.
Yes ,and how about some range time shooting slugs 50 yds and 100 .great stuff. already been going through watching your other videos 67 so far giving you 👍up on all of them 🤠
Both of our 410’s are full choke which would lead to bad accuracy but my uncle has a mossberg 500 in 410 I’ll see if he will let me borrow it. It’s got interchangeable chokes.
Good Job , I admire you , using the basics and turning out such nice loads. Always look forward to your videos.
I Like Reload 410 and yes I have it in Mec . Thanks for the 410 bore Reload Video , Great Job and your info .... YES More Reload in 410
Thanks for watching man
Ah-ha I been doing the crimp wrong.. I will try the way you did it. To see if that fixes it.
Yes more 410 videos
Would love to see you load buckshot in 410 or possibly slugs
Both of our 410’s have full chokes which leads to terrible accuracy with slugs, but we have loaded and shot 410 buckshot on the channel before.
Tyler, heads up BPI has high brass 2¾ primed Fiocchi clear for 15 bucks a hundred...
I just joined your channel. I am interested in loading shells. Would you tell me the places. You buy your supplies. Thanks Glenn
@@glenncollins294 ballistic products
You should try loading up the 000bk in .410!
We did and shot them on video, recently posted. 3” 12 gauge buckshot range testing and 410 buckshot, it’s in that one.
@The Shotgun Scientists heck yeah, I'll check it out!
Yes, more .410 please!
Id like to see some stuff on .395” roundball loads and something on homemade slugs…Ive heard some are using cast handgun bullets as slugs in .410.
Thanks!
Our 410’s are full choke, slugs would be pretty inaccurate out of them but a round ball should be fine and dandy.
@@theshotgunscientists I have a Western Field bolt action.410 that is full choke and it shoots rifled slugs very accurately, especially the Remington or Federal ones in 2 1/2" and 3"
@@leonardcavaretta905 I was referring to solid projectiles like a bullet, not a foster slug. Foster slugs through a .410 definitely benefit from a full choke.
Excellent job. I mix and match like you do and pattern them on the board. I get asked all the time, " do you have any loads right out of the book"?
Hardly any!😈
Please do more .410 videos. 👍🏻
I got one. They work. Only way to get non lead loads so granddaughter can hunt
More 410 please
I find it a challenge to reload 410 but I enjoy shooting them.Yep,more 410.😊
Yeah it’s harder than other gauges for sure
@The Shotgun Scientists I've been using the survival kit and it's kinda tricky.I just ordered a kit from 3dreloadingandmore. Happy shooting.
The dimple in the hull comes from where the shell was previously pressure tested. I buy them all of the time. The dimple does not affect the hulls.
Hasn’t effected anything in my testing at all.
Why didn't you use any buffer in the shot to help with the pattern. Also have you tried loading any tungsten alloy shot in .410?
No tss yet, and because this load is already pretty high pressure. Adding buffer would increase the weight this increasing pressure. If I had h110 powder buffer would be fine.
Another great video. I mainly shoot clays with 20ga & 12ga, but recently bought a 410 for my grandkids (& me) to shoot. It's harder to hit clays with a 410, but once I could, going back to 20 & 12ga felt like cheating (too easy). I started out shooting 2.5" 410, but now shoot mainly 3". I reload both 2.5" & 3" 410 shells with 209 primers, 16gr H110, the red WAA41 wads & #8.5 shot (0.5oz & 11/16oz). I've never been able to get 3/4oz into the 3" 410 shells like you did. I wonder if it's due to your less powder charge ?
You gotta use lil gun for it, it takes up less space than h110 does and requires less powder.
You should be able to get 3/4oz to fit any 3” hull with h110. Wins and Rems might be the toughest to fit as they have smaller capacities. But I get 3/4oz loads with win296 (h110 and win296 are the exact same powder, and interchangeable) in every hull I load.
Winchesters, Remingtons, Fiocchi’s, Cheddites and Federals. The federals have the largest capacity of the 410 hulls and will even fit 13/16oz, which ive worked up a load for.
With feds, fio’s and cheds, I load cheddite primers(cx2000), 15gr of win296, and the waa410hs wad. The rems and wins, you need to back of a grain or grain and a half, for pressure and fit.
You can fit more than 3/4 ounce in the Remington 3” hulls too honestly.
@@theshotgunscientists possibly, ill have to try and see if 13/16oz will fit them also, but what I’ve noticed with the rems is they show pressure at way lower velocities than the other hulls. The feds are my favorite, largest capacity and im getting 1150fps with a 3/4oz load in my 18.5” rossi. They’re about 1200fps in my stevens 301T(26”). The 13/16oz in the federals is right at 1100fps in the rossi.
300mp is another great powder for these heavy 410 loads, similar charge weights as win296
They need to come out with 3.5 inch .410 Shotgun. Could you get 1 oz of shot in that ?
It already exists lol but it’s a custom chambering. I know someone that has one.
Your video on 410 really brings out technique, having a Mec 600 (pre 1982) all steel for 410 and 12 I will tell you that the little pea shooter can be a pain. Nice job love that taper crimp from 3d thinking about just ordering one and doing all my 410 that I have loaded , otherwise than can chamber sometimes a bit snug. Hit the jackpot the other day found some Alladin 410 powder , bought 2 pounds, normally I use WW296. Thankyou. guys
Thanks man yeah 410 is fun but definitely finicky
@@theshotgunscientists If you get a chance to try a roll crimp made by GAEP (brass) please do, You can cut 1/4 inch off of regular once fired hulls and do a roll crimp, I could not believe how beautiful they came out. I also have a roll crimper from Ballistic Products, it is good and adequate but the brass one really does a nice job.
@@curtiseggemeyer5681 I’ve got a gaep for 10 and 12 gauge and plan on getting myself one in 28 or 24 gauge next. Definitely need one for .410 as well.
If you meet bigfoot in the woods , he would think you were his cousin .
I know
You have inspired me to start reloading shot shells. I got my new lee load all 2 last week and a large box of federal paper 12ga hulls. My goal is to load some squirrel and rabbit loads for this years small game season. Do you have any suggestions for good loads with 1-1/8 or 1-1/4 oz of 6 shot? What wads and powder do you recommend?
Thanks!
Cheddite primers, Winchester WSF powder, mg42 wads and 20 gauge 1/4” felt wads. You can get everything from ballistic products besides maybe the powder, they might have it in stock currently not sure. Everything else is in stock. If not go to your local sporting goods store or call them and ask if they have it. It’ll do both loads great. Hodgdons website has free load data for the powder, but since you’re new to reloading, load 1-2 grains less powder than what the load calls for and use the mg42 wad instead of the listed wad. Doing this will keep pressures in safe ranges. Listed powder charges are usually the max charge but not always. I’ll do a video covering this soon.
Thank you! I’ll start getting the components together!
@@theshotgunscientists Tyler and Andrew, heads up BPI has high brass 2¾ primed Fiocchi clear for 15 bucks a hundred...
Last time i checked , here in Florida , we have to use #2 or greater loads for turkey so for me looks like Daisy BBs , but what are the chances some game warden is going to disassemble my rounds to see I'm following rules , mind you I'll most likely be hunting on Gov't land ? Turkey hunting aside , in the past i had thought about using rifle and handgun bullets in place of normal ammo due to the rounds for deer hunting aren't either available or are expensive and some of those rounds i remembered were .41 mag and i believe an older rifle round that is either no longer existing or is rare and i believe it is something like 405 Jeffries , I'm bad at not annotating my findings . I don't have loading equipment and don't really plan on buying any but at first i wasn't sure if it was safe so i had decided to do it similar to muzzleloaders in which it involved raming an projectile down the barrel and using an blank round or an round with a very light load to propel the projectile out the barrel . But if i do get loading equipment do you think rifle and/or handgun rounds loaded with a projectile would be safe to use and how effective would they be from an smooth bore .410 ?
You can use any pellet smaller then number 2 for turkey not bigger than number 2. It's mostly for safety to another hunter that my get hit.
You should be able to use normal shot sizes mine, #2 shot is huge and almost never offered in turkey loads. Daisy bb’s would destroy your barrel.
Even target loads ?
@@Airon79 You have to use steel shot wads for any steel shot
@@theshotgunscientists OK, I'll look for them .
Great videos always enjoy your videos
Thanks man
I doubt if we are blood kin, but I know I'm honored and pleased to be kindred spirits with Tyler and Wade🙂👍 Yours Truly Rick of Orange
Go for it
Thank you. Love the 410
You bet
Is 10-13K psi capable of "moving" primer metal? It takes 65-70K psi to move rifle primers. Maybe there is a difference in metallurgy of the cups.
Just something I've always wondered about.
A fun 410 load for me is what I call 410 Barnswallow. It uses #10 Magnum shot at about 1100 fps.
Fairly new (5 years) shotshell reloader here. Been enjoying your vids. Thanks!
Yeah with Shotshells people claim there are never any pressure signs but they most certainly do get them. The brass will bubble around the rim, primer will be completely flat with the firing pin mark starting to flow back into the firing pin hole, extractors will rip through rims on semi autos, brass will crack or split
Man do i wish someone could do a real accurate and heavy 410 slug for deer hunting. The current slugs available work, but you gotta keep shots real close. Just alwayscseemed there waa potential to make the little 410 at least as goodcas a 357 magnum or better.
Funny you mention that, I literally uploaded us using 357 magnum bullets as 410 last night. Video will be out soon.
@@theshotgunscientists Nice
@@theshotgunscientists I know they make quite a few .358 diameter rifle bullets that might work. Not sure what kind of velocity your looking at, but anything designed for the old 35 Remington should perform nicely at its intended 2k fps muzzle vel with 180 to 200 grain bullets. Wanna say 1-16 twist rate was common, so I'm not sure if/how your gonna do that. I know there has got to be at least a few companies that make a 410 rifled choke, and I would sure be interested to see what kind of results you get. I only hope you use a good scope, solid rest, and accurate gun, because I was very interested in this very thing a few years ago, but a lot of things I've read said it was a pain in the ass to get 410 to perform like a rifle. I will see if I can dig up anything from emails.
@@anonymousf454 if you join the buck and slug reloaders group on Facebook you’ll see the video before it’s live on here. We just used joshes fixed full choke single shot, I hit the 4” steel plate at 42 yards first shot. At about 8 yards both of us had really good groups and they seemed to be flying true for the most part. This weekend we will be testing them for longer range accuracy from the lead sled. Depending on bullet weight we got 1546 fps and 1275 fps.
@@theshotgunscientists cool, I will definitely check that out. Thank you
Cool stuff man
Thanks for watching man I appreciate it
@@theshotgunscientists no problem. I use a similar. 410 kit. Mine doesn't have the crimp part that attaches to the sleeve just a flat top. Sure beats the way I used to do it with sockets and a punch.
@@willwood487 I’ve seen quite a few of your videos man. Good stuff.
nice job
Thanks man
Link 2 3D printed .410 set
I can’t link it.
@@theshotgunscientists it’s fine I
Found it on eBay
With this 410 kit, how fast can you load a box of shells on average?
Probably 20 minutes. I don’t use this anymore, watch our newer .410 videos.
@@theshotgunscientists What are you using now? I looked through your videos and I don’t see anything new / different?
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 gaep/omv tooling. They make factory looking shells and are much faster and easier. Any of the more recent .410 reloading videos should show them.
@@theshotgunscientists what exactly will I need to order to convert a Lee load all II to load 28ga. I’m new to loading shotgun shells. Thanks for the help.
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 Gaep or omv 28 gauge crimp starter, ribassatore, and omv 28 gauge crimp finisher. 3/4” to 7/8” rubber expansion plugs about 1” in height with a steel washer to screw crimp tools to and they’ll slide up in the crimp tubes of the press. Watch the video we did titled lee load all upgrades and modifications I put out about a month ago.