Making a Dodecahedron on a Manual Lathe

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  • Опубліковано 15 вер 2023
  • In this video, Mike machines a dodecahedron using just a lathe - no milling machine required!
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  • @chronovaengineering
    @chronovaengineering  8 місяців тому +62

    For those who wish to reproduce this, I skipped over a few key details you will need to know. Firstly, you must decide on the size of the dodecahedron. Let's define this as the distance across flats (L). The length of your starting cylinder needs to be L. The diameter needs to be 1.236*L. When shaping, make sure you don't go all the way (leave some to face off later). When bringing the tool in to touch the cylinder edge prior to any facing off, set the dial to zero. Face-off 0.277*L to form the final face size. This maths is accurate to plus/minus 0.01 mm (for a typical die size). Good luck!

    • @danceswithaardvarks3284
      @danceswithaardvarks3284 8 місяців тому +2

      Is L the same as the edge length of the pentagons or the length from an apex to the opposite edge? Sorry for the questions, I need to work out how much I can hollow out.

    • @chronovaengineering
      @chronovaengineering  8 місяців тому +8

      @@danceswithaardvarks3284 No problem. You're right, my description is ambiguous. L is the distance from a face to the opposite face. Another way of thinking about it is the insphere diameter (i.e. the diameter of the sphere that is tangential to all the faces in the dodecahedron). If you would rather define the size based on edge length, then the ratio of L : edge length = 2.227.

    • @danceswithaardvarks3284
      @danceswithaardvarks3284 8 місяців тому +4

      Thanks @@chronovaengineering. I had reached that conclusion, but it is nice to get confirmation. It makes sense now.

    • @danceswithaardvarks3284
      @danceswithaardvarks3284 8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Mike. I managed to make one on a wood lathe. Not quite symetrical, but I know where I went wrong so the process worked.

    • @nickhadfield3192
      @nickhadfield3192 8 місяців тому

      Do you think using a QCTP and manually adjusting the height of the tool to increase the size of the channels would be beneficial? I'm definitely having a go of this either way, got a friend who's been giving me hell for not attempting a D12 for a while and I want to show him up!

  • @aleksjenner677
    @aleksjenner677 8 місяців тому +311

    Can't believe we didn't get to see it roll

    • @Vandal_Savage
      @Vandal_Savage 8 місяців тому +13

      Probably because it always comes up as a 12...

    • @iseriver3982
      @iseriver3982 8 місяців тому +9

      Don't watch Inception, it's 3 hours of not seeing spinning top roll.

    • @miza6
      @miza6 8 місяців тому +9

      Yeah can you just make a quick short of that, I am left unfulfilled

    • @tylermcnally8232
      @tylermcnally8232 8 місяців тому +11

      There's 0 chance this is balanced.

    • @robloughrey
      @robloughrey 8 місяців тому +6

      @@tylermcnally8232 I'm sort of curious how balanced it is. it makes sense that the heaviest side would be the 1 and thus the 12 would be advantaged (12 is opposite 1) its its a small amount compared to a solid brass polygon and could be ovewhelmed by any imperfections in the distance between the faces. I'd love to have it rolled a few hundred tiems and get the results. :)

  • @artisanmakes
    @artisanmakes 8 місяців тому +55

    Didn't realize the lathe was a custom build. I'd love a video on the background of it and how it came to be. Great stuff

  • @hedronrockworks
    @hedronrockworks 8 місяців тому +69

    Beautiful. I loved how you solved the problem of making this. I bet it was fun to think through. Numbers looked great and I really like the rustic feel it give. I cannot imagine taking something so perfect and applying my “hand”work to it.

    • @chronovaengineering
      @chronovaengineering  8 місяців тому +12

      We noticed you also just uploaded a video at the same time. Just watched it ourselves - thoroughly enjoyable and thanks for checking out our channel!

    • @ilikewaffles3689
      @ilikewaffles3689 8 місяців тому

      ​@@chronovaengineeringbro who is we? 😭

  • @SqueakyNeb
    @SqueakyNeb 8 місяців тому +6

    I was going to say that this feels a little cheeky with regards to "on a lathe", but I think all the same workholding problems would apply equally to any other machine process. Very clever.

  • @jsmxwll
    @jsmxwll 8 місяців тому +7

    that die is great. the precise and sharp dodecahedron contrasts well with the hand engraved numerals for an awesome effect. well done!

  • @alissoncapelin6528
    @alissoncapelin6528 8 місяців тому +3

    Nice work! I miss your videos so much

    • @chronovaengineering
      @chronovaengineering  8 місяців тому +1

      Apologies for taking a while to upload this one. We've been focusing on the espresso machines recently, but hopefully we will get back to more regular uploads shortly! Thanks for watching!

  • @Vincentt1705
    @Vincentt1705 8 місяців тому +2

    Nice! Love the calmth of your voice

  • @googleuser859
    @googleuser859 8 місяців тому +5

    This is strange, you posted this and ten mins later another channel I watch posted a dice making video also.
    Beautiful workmanship as always and thanks for sharing.

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning 8 місяців тому +3

      Ah another Hedron Rockworks fan. 😊

    • @gaveintothedarkness
      @gaveintothedarkness 8 місяців тому +2

      I noticed that Hedron Rockworks also posted as well. Thought it was some kind of collaboration.

    • @gaveintothedarkness
      @gaveintothedarkness 8 місяців тому +2

      @@lawrencemanning Reporting in!

    • @googleuser859
      @googleuser859 8 місяців тому +1

      I am indeed 😊

  • @chrisarmstrong8198
    @chrisarmstrong8198 8 місяців тому +2

    Ingenious construction method.

  • @heighRick
    @heighRick 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the video, helps a lot

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 8 місяців тому +4

    Love the idea. It really shows what can be done with some ingenuity!

  • @FredStam
    @FredStam 8 місяців тому +1

    I love to watch Clickspring videos and I love to watch
    his European opponent Chronova Engeneering.
    What a nice video. My compliments for this. Great skills

  • @fabientuizat1129
    @fabientuizat1129 8 місяців тому +1

    tres beau travail !!!merci du partage !!!

  • @joseguzman9448
    @joseguzman9448 8 місяців тому +2

    Absolutely beautifull ❤❤❤You my Friend seem to be a master of machining , because of people like You I Fell in Love with the trade ,please keep up the trade an try to teach some Younger people

  • @0num4
    @0num4 8 місяців тому +6

    Beautifully done. The only thing I would have changed is to oxidize the engraved numbers, to provide just a bit of contrast via patina (rather than wax). Not sure it would be much different in the end, but in my mind it keeps the rustic, almost steampunk, theme.
    That's merely taste though--your method and workmanship is outstanding!

  • @sween187
    @sween187 8 місяців тому +8

    You could mount the part in the cross slide then put the milling bit into the chuck, it can be a good work around

    • @josephchamness9915
      @josephchamness9915 8 місяців тому

      That is what I thought, too.
      But maybe he thinks that is too much like laying your milling machine on its back and calling it a lathe.

  • @Steviegtr52
    @Steviegtr52 8 місяців тому +1

    What a brilliant result. There is something about shiny brass too.
    Steve.

  • @fsj197811
    @fsj197811 8 місяців тому

    That's super cool, I hope whoever winds up with it appreciates it. Thanks for sharing.

  • @dillonrose3428
    @dillonrose3428 8 місяців тому

    Oh my god as a machinist/programmer, I’ve worked with lathe and mill, manual, fanuc, haas you name it…when the video got to you having that tiny grinder and making your own tool…GahhDamn man….🤙🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼👏🏼

  • @ArbieLyvias
    @ArbieLyvias 8 місяців тому +1

    I love dice so much!

  • @mauriziograndi1750
    @mauriziograndi1750 8 місяців тому +1

    I can only say I have seen a brain at work. Well done.

  • @h.p.lovecraft936
    @h.p.lovecraft936 8 місяців тому +1

    Top tier problem solving.

  • @frankbonsignore.RochesterNY
    @frankbonsignore.RochesterNY 8 місяців тому +3

    You are a master! Much respect!

  • @odiesclips7621
    @odiesclips7621 8 місяців тому +1

    Captivating processes!! I thoroughly enjoyed this video.

  • @dougidoug
    @dougidoug 8 місяців тому +1

    That is pretty amazing. Very impressive work and a great explanation to how you made it

  • @FlakeSE
    @FlakeSE 5 місяців тому +1

    Interesting, thank you for sharing. Funny how a lathe can be used as essentially a gem grinders lap in reverse. With the material spinning and the abrasive stationary.

  • @davidcahan
    @davidcahan 8 місяців тому +1

    DEF agree with the imperfections. Makes it look hand wrought. Which in fact it was

  • @mickwilson127
    @mickwilson127 8 місяців тому +1

    Lovely job

  • @robbiestevens1158
    @robbiestevens1158 8 місяців тому +1

    Lovely project definitely saving this one.

  • @aserta
    @aserta 8 місяців тому +1

    I've knew you can make one on a lathe, never actually seen it done. Neat!

  • @jsincoherency
    @jsincoherency 8 місяців тому +2

    Incredible work, you are a genius.

  • @halflife82
    @halflife82 6 місяців тому +1

    Incredible work!! Extremely well done. 🎉💪

  • @georgeoconner735
    @georgeoconner735 8 місяців тому

    Magnificent work! Thank You for Sharing!!!

  • @MASI_forging
    @MASI_forging 8 місяців тому +2

    Incredible work as always 👍👍

  • @mattw7949
    @mattw7949 8 місяців тому +1

    A bunch of years ago I made a pair of Ti d20's for someone on manual machines. It took me a long time to figure it out.

  • @JMS-2111
    @JMS-2111 8 місяців тому +3

    I love it. I'd use roman numerals, but that's just my preference. It's superb.

  • @danielstewart3507
    @danielstewart3507 8 місяців тому +1

    Amazing! I love all of your content. So good for us engineers who are also hands on. :)

  • @jtcustomknives
    @jtcustomknives 8 місяців тому +1

    A cool trick is to mount the work piece to the tool post and chuck up an end mill into the spindle. You can do simple milling operations this way.

  • @MichaelMcClelland1
    @MichaelMcClelland1 8 місяців тому +6

    Astounding work. I would be curious to see a test of the die's fairness to get an estimate of it's true precision.

    • @joestitz239
      @joestitz239 5 місяців тому

      A test would simply be a very refined precise tape measure. A laser measure

  • @eshafto
    @eshafto 8 місяців тому +1

    Just lovely.

  • @FuneralProcession
    @FuneralProcession 8 місяців тому

    I love dodecahedrons ❤😂
    Good job!!!

  • @richardwinton1016
    @richardwinton1016 8 місяців тому

    Incredible, I could watch you for hours. You deserve many more subscribers. In fact, if you don't have a few hundred K subs soon I'll be very surprised.

  • @tvrv9774
    @tvrv9774 8 місяців тому +1

    I absolutely love your lathe. I want one so bad. I wish I had the space and pockets to allow for it. 5 years of manual/cnc machinist going to waste. I'd LOVE to make custom 3D printer parts on one... like better idler pulleys, crowned pulleys, and random bling. Let alone be able to use both of these to actually create the inventions I come up with.

  • @lordseptomus441
    @lordseptomus441 8 місяців тому +1

    beauty is in the hands of the machinist.

  • @RustyInventions-wz6ir
    @RustyInventions-wz6ir 8 місяців тому

    Very nice work

  • @pro3ification
    @pro3ification 8 місяців тому

    never thought about doing stuff with super glue on a lathe.... learned something new again

  • @ivyking4149
    @ivyking4149 8 місяців тому

    You, sir, are a magician😊

  • @russellmitchell9438
    @russellmitchell9438 8 місяців тому +3

    The lathe is a simple machine... attatches a cnc rotary indexer.

  • @user-bf8ud9vt5b
    @user-bf8ud9vt5b 8 місяців тому

    Using wax to ink the numbers is like using a crayon in the old D&D boxed sets. Old school. I like it.

  • @morris-gk3cm
    @morris-gk3cm 8 місяців тому +3

    12:42
    Damn he even rubs the paste in a consistent manner 😂
    A machinist through and through

  • @Skaldewolf
    @Skaldewolf 8 місяців тому

    you could mount the blank on your cross-slide and put the endmill in your chuck. It's backwards, but now you can mill with your lathe

  • @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
    @andrewdolinskiatcarpathian 8 місяців тому +1

    Pure genius 👌

  • @madcapmagician6018
    @madcapmagician6018 8 місяців тому +3

    That's freaking cool... what would you charge to make a full set?

  • @kniferewiewscool2646
    @kniferewiewscool2646 8 місяців тому +1

    I would love to see the carving be inlayed with silver instead of being empty. Looks sick, and is more balanced

  • @karlhendrikse
    @karlhendrikse 8 місяців тому

    Very extreme oversight that you didn't actually use the creation at the end of the video

  • @buddybleeyes
    @buddybleeyes 8 місяців тому

    Id love to see this actually rolled a fair few times, as otheres said its probably not balanced. Still really cool though

  • @z0mb13h0rd3
    @z0mb13h0rd3 8 місяців тому +1

    As a person who started playing D&D back in the 70’s, and had to use paper chits before I had dice, I really appreciate this!
    Do you play?

  • @CalicoShadowPlusCat
    @CalicoShadowPlusCat 8 місяців тому

    Fascinating process and I am impressed with the results! I would love to see you make a icosahedron next. Twenty facets in a small size would be a great challenge for your skill and craftsmanship as well as your intuitive creative process! Regardless, I am definitely subscribing to see what you come up with next!

    • @joestitz239
      @joestitz239 5 місяців тому

      But why make an icosahedron ??

  • @miraidongaming
    @miraidongaming 8 місяців тому

    Very pretty... are you going to make a full set?

  • @aserta
    @aserta 8 місяців тому +1

    6:50 well, one method would be to machine a piece of stock such that a long feature would fit inside your tool holder, and use the chuck to hold a mill. Angling the tool holder would provide most of the faces, rotating the stock to precise angles using angled blocks off the face of the ways. I've never done such a thing to obtain a complex shape, but i regularly swap my lathe "order" whenever my mill is occupied.

    • @foldionepapyrus3441
      @foldionepapyrus3441 8 місяців тому

      If I follow you correctly this is exactly what I would do, put the cutting tool in the lathe spindle and use the tool holder and compound slide to do most of the work. I've actually thought about making a collect block set that registers in my tool holder so that repeated rotational features in that other axis can be quickly set up - same concept as a collet block as used in a mill vice, just with a more * or + shape as the tool holder needs a protrusion to grab. Though I also have a little vertical sliding 'mill table' attachment that goes on my clockwork lathes slide - so for small enough stuff it just becomes a mill with a really really big Z in comparison to the rather small x-y travel.

  • @nineoneten
    @nineoneten 4 місяці тому

    "Clickspring" without the aussie accent ! Brilliant. I never seem to have much luck with superglue chucks, maybe my technique is off par.

  • @E_Proxy
    @E_Proxy 8 місяців тому

    I didn't get any of this but it's Fun to watch

  • @marcosmacli1061
    @marcosmacli1061 8 місяців тому

    Hola gracias por compartir, por mostrar cada detalle y los distintos dispositivos, con que cuentas , saludos

  • @johnnycomelately6341
    @johnnycomelately6341 8 місяців тому

    Well done!
    To answer your question about other methods, somewhere on youtube there is a chap who does a similar thing using a relieving attachment.
    What was your spindle speed?

  • @THarSul
    @THarSul 8 місяців тому +1

    felt like a bit of a shame that we didn't get to see more B-roll of the finished Die, or a nice roll onto a wooden table with a sturdy tablecloth, but incredible project either way

  • @peterthannhauser2225
    @peterthannhauser2225 8 місяців тому

    Very cool machining! Did you make your own custom collet for the D-bit grinder with an ER nose & remaining taper/dimension features to match the original (presumably Deckel/U-style) collet? Or has the work head been modified & its a dedicated ER spindle tube? What ER size is it? I noticed in your Quorn drill sharpening video a similar ER holding fixture.
    What exactly is the purpose of the annular relief grooves turned on the face of CA glue fixture? Initially I thought a place for glue to overflow & make the gap joint thinner but now I'm wondering if its related to allowing air to properly cure? My (non-grooved) CA glue fixtures seem to cure somewhat unreliably even with accelerator, maybe that's why?

  • @joewboe
    @joewboe 8 місяців тому

    You could do this in three or four lathe operations with polyoganal turning. There's a Russian feller that has a really cool home made setup for polygonal turning using power off his lathes threading gearbox

  • @feynthefallen
    @feynthefallen 8 місяців тому

    Well, with a CNC indexer, you could ALSO argue it is no longer "just a lathe". Normal lathes don't index their spindles, they spin them...

  • @pwhite2579
    @pwhite2579 8 місяців тому

    beautiful work! Did you roll it 1,000 times recording which number came up to see if it was fair?

  • @charlvanniekerk8009
    @charlvanniekerk8009 8 місяців тому +2

    yay second. Love the video!

  • @olieboer
    @olieboer 6 місяців тому

    I thought i had exhausted cool machining/making channels, but a shoutout from Adam Savage brought me here, only to find artisan makes here too. Very cool.
    Nice die. Sub from me.

  • @Tome4kkkk
    @Tome4kkkk 8 місяців тому

    Hi! Awesome stuff! Do you have a description of your lathe somewhere? I spent hours researching "hobby lathes" and I came to the conclusion I don't need a general lathe. I need a watchmaker's lathe. Or even just a stiffer wood turning lathe with a 4 jaw independent chuck.

  • @TheKaBrT
    @TheKaBrT 8 місяців тому

    what about trying to make holes in dodecahedron to make more inside like turners cube. it sounds like great idea :D

  • @ronaldbrown1852
    @ronaldbrown1852 8 місяців тому +2

    WOW! 👍❤

  • @laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
    @laureeeeeeeeeeeeeeen 8 місяців тому

    Did not know it was okay to do an interrupted cut on a superglue arbor like that.

  • @ryanbeard1119
    @ryanbeard1119 8 місяців тому

    That HSS looked like it had large grain growth

  • @Enzo6006
    @Enzo6006 8 місяців тому

    this is great! can you expand upon the statement "01 tool steel is actually harder then HSS" ?

  • @jamiehughes5573
    @jamiehughes5573 8 місяців тому

    Absolute beaut

  • @josepablolopez604
    @josepablolopez604 8 місяців тому

    Loved the minecraft music

  • @johndecoteau629
    @johndecoteau629 8 місяців тому

    was that a piece of lignum vitae that you used for separation?

  • @liammurray9274
    @liammurray9274 8 місяців тому

    a beautiful paper weight but you'll need to balance it before using it as a die.

  • @JDuB0417
    @JDuB0417 8 місяців тому

    This is less educational more asmr

  • @samsara2024
    @samsara2024 8 місяців тому +1

    Yes very common tools that every body has at home 😂

  • @quequeissominhagente
    @quequeissominhagente 8 місяців тому

    👏👏👏👏👏Bravo!

  • @wiju
    @wiju 8 місяців тому

    11:50 a spritz of propyl alcohol helps a lot, mixed with WD-40 it improves surface quality a lot.

  • @LaserGadgets
    @LaserGadgets 8 місяців тому

    I got a manual lathe, crappy but manual, and I can't even imagine how to do that!

    • @douglasharley2440
      @douglasharley2440 8 місяців тому

      all you'd need to add is an indexing head, and then you're all good!

  • @roguedrones
    @roguedrones 8 місяців тому

    ....he didn't roll it ..... oh damn the frustration.

  • @MayorOfLuckyBoyNV
    @MayorOfLuckyBoyNV 8 місяців тому

    I've been trying to figure out how to make a D20 on a lathe as an apprentice machinist project. You think that's possible?

  • @raistlindavis8718
    @raistlindavis8718 8 місяців тому +1

    have you checked the dies randomability? how often it might hit a certain number over another due to weight differences between faces.

    • @joestitz239
      @joestitz239 5 місяців тому +1

      A laser measure could precisely account for all spaces of each face. The metal is balanced from the very clean melting it went through to rid impurities that could cause imbalance.

  • @3dpyromaniac560
    @3dpyromaniac560 6 місяців тому

    6:35 i say it still counts, youre just now using a manual lathe with live tooling

  • @user-pu6zm7le2d
    @user-pu6zm7le2d 5 місяців тому

    Не видео , а просто ГИМН МАСТЕРСТВУ какой - то !

  • @nmmrg
    @nmmrg 8 місяців тому

    Isn't the missing material for lettering significantly different on each side for it to land evently? Can this even be called a functional dice?

  • @peterthannhauser2225
    @peterthannhauser2225 8 місяців тому

    I notice you ground your HSS bit with what appears to be a diamond based wheel as opposed to the typical AO or similar aggregate type wheel? If so, I've heard conflicting opinions about that practice (that it can load or dullen the wheel prematurely). Can you comment on your findings? Do you have to dress it more often for example?

    • @agg42
      @agg42 7 місяців тому

      Could have been a CBN wheel.
      Concern with grinding steels on diamond is the diamond's chemical affinity for iron. Once there's sufficient heat, the carbon (diamond) will diffuse into the steel thus eroding away diamonds quicker than necessary.

  • @RfrSSWolf
    @RfrSSWolf 8 місяців тому

    I Want Mine Full Set

  • @donaldasayers
    @donaldasayers 8 місяців тому

    A rhombic dodecahedron can be machined very easily out of standard hex stock.

  • @danceswithaardvarks3284
    @danceswithaardvarks3284 8 місяців тому

    Great video thanks. It's inspired me to try making a 12 sided dice box in wood, using your method, but I am unclear about one thing: at around 9 minutes 50 seconds you mention removing enough material to make the face the correct size, but how is the correct size calculated?

  • @4dirt2racer0
    @4dirt2racer0 8 місяців тому

    what was the point of the tape in the beginning??

  • @garul1669
    @garul1669 8 місяців тому +1

    when you think that there is nothing besides clickspring, and you prove me wrong

  • @ahvavee
    @ahvavee 8 місяців тому +1

    A sharp tap or a short sharp shock. Oi!