For a apples to apples comparison you should have reviewed the Bora Portamate Speedhorse XT Adjustable Height Sawhorse not the standard cheaper version.
I only see the track system on the Kreg being an alternative, Bora also has adjustable model, don't get me wrong Kreg makes some awesome products and I own a lot of them, reviews should just be apple to apples
I have Kreg workbenches and they are awesome. Was ready to buy Bora when I saw this. Ordered the Kreg! I’m handicapped so the height adjustment is big for me. Thank you for the time you took to do this, much appreciated!
You could use 2x6 or 2x8 or 2xwhatever for the sides on the speed horse to bring up the work space level to what ever you want. Also, the speedhorse will store under your roller toolbox whereas the Kreg will not.
I wouldn't exactly call this an unbiased review. First 4 minutes was spent on nitpicking issues with the sawhorse and not even knowing all of its features. For example, the fold down steps for handling sheet goods as I see somebody else mentioned as well, and then covering all the things that " I like about " the track horse. You spent some time nitpicking about the 3/16 of an inch gap between the 2x4 and the top of the speed horse but there's a very evident similar gap between the 2x4 on the Kreg and the 2x4 that you slid into the track. I appreciate the effort and the fact that you mentioned right from the start that you had a preference. But an unbiased review not a chance
I bought the Bora Speedhouse XT’s. I really like being able to set up a level work surface using the quick adjust leg height. Plus I like the ability to use sacrificial 2x4.
Good review. I can’t count number of times I’ve had difficulty clamping something to the top of a portable horse w/out a flat bottom. Kreg design fixes that in spades. Additionally they’ve fully one upped the competition in creating a rail system with the removable tabs. The ingenuity of this design has obvious benefits when combined with an MFT style top with bushings attached. The tabs for rails which have accuracy and repeatability built in allows the rail a much higher level of utility as the rail has additional utility and could serve as a fence with graduations and/or support/registration with a track saw. I’ve recently invested time in an MFT top for the Bora Centipede which I’m very happy with but I can see these Trackhorses may have been my preferred base. These are much more than ordinary sawhorses. PS. The fold outs near the bottom of the Bora are a very useful tool for anyone who hangs doors and mortises hinges; allowing the door to be supported on edge against the body of the horse.
Excellent comment. Thank you for being a valued subscriber and viewer. I totally agree with the utility of the Kreg track horses. People automatically assume I was biased cause I liked them more but I was as honest as I could be considering how much better the Kreg really is in real life.
Had a speedhorse leg fold up on me with 2 sheets of 18mm MDF just yesterday. Messed it up. I sideloaded the bench setup with about 50 to 100 lbs of force. The undamaged leg won’t lock securely. I’ve found them wobbly and heavy, and a bit short. After 3 years, and light shop use, I will retire them.
I have both and I prefer the speed horse better for my use here is why. I find that the with makes them more stable then the kreg. If you turn the Kreg into a 4 feet table and add weight they will tip over found out the hard way. The Kreg are well made and I’m not saying it’s a bad product but it will depend on your needs. I find the speedhorse low in hight but a 2x6 or 2x8 makes the right adjustments.
ToughBuilt C700 is half the price of the Kreg and has some great features. That is my preference. The side steps are for holding plywood when you can only work with one saw horse. Then you can make your cuts vertically.
The c700 looks like a great product. Thanks for the tip. I might pick up a set soon and review them. Some very innovative features from what I can see.
Helpful review. The Bora Speed Horse XT is height adjustable to 36". Both items will likely suffice for most DIYers. I came here after I narrowed my choices to Kreg (love their tools) and Bora. Now it's down to pricing.
I use Toughbuilt C700's for my 4x8 work table but looking at the Bora XT's for quick setup and they adjust from 30-36 whereas the C700 is 25-32. Such a decision keep the C700's or get the XT's. (There is another video on Bora that shows them bending a bit under side-load. The C700's are strong in this respect. Bora claims they addressed this issue in the XT's but couldn't share the changes made.)
Great, honest and realistic review. In my experience they both serve a very handy and useful purpose. Bora for cutting sheet and stock lumber, and Kreg for working and finishing smaller pieces or assembling.
I appreciate your informative review. Can I give just a bit of constructive criticism for future review videos? The video having only one camera shot was fine for most of it. But if you could do close up shots on details it would help a lot. I knew nothing of the Kreg horses and had no idea about the "track". I had to go find another source to get visuals. Thanks for your work. Take care.
Where you do the 2x4 is for plates so that you can easily saw off a piece. I have C700 from toughbuild and I like it very much. Only the T-track is a very nice extra to the kreg.
Ordered two...very happy. HOWEVER, one came with out all the parts...clamp etc...sent it back, the replacement was missing the bushings...I just kept that one. Rather disappointing at the least....order two if you can and you’ll wont look back
Great review! But currently a pair of Speedhorses are $133 vs $238 for Trackhorses (Amazon). If I had a pressing need for new horses or I was a pro I would go with the Kregs for sure. Instead I'll stick with my very cludgy 20 year-old portable horses for now.
Thank you! I certainly would agree with waiting until you need them. I also set price alerts on stuff like this so I can swoop them up when the price dips which happens all the time. There's a few apps that do that sort of tracking, but I find if I just put it in my "Purchase later" basket in amazon, they'll send me an email when the price changes and that's usually pretty good. I have like 50 items in my bucket waiting for price drops at any given time ;)
You're very welcome. A good set of horses will improve any home improvement project. As long as you have a nice sheet of plywood you can whip up a work surface in no time and get cracking. It's such a great time/effort saver. I see workers every day using old school horses and immediately see how unsafe the surface is and how their productivity is also suffering from not having a good sturdy height adjustable surface. Glad I could help you make your decision. Which one did you end up going with?
Seemed pretty biased from the get go, but, to be fair he did mention that. He should’ve just bought the kreg and saved the 20 minutes he spent on this video as well as the 180 bucks. I will never knock Kreg items but the Bora speedhorse is pretty nice!
They're holding up fine. But admittedly I haven't been using them as much as I had planned as most of my woodworking projects are on hold while I finish work on my backyard. I've used them about a dozen times since last year and each time they've been great.
At 4:09." I like the say they grip thr board. No matter much i tightned the handle the board was not tight. Its ok if your making a table bit no way are u cutting that 2x4 .its way to loose. I brought mine back to the store
A smart person would just trim the 2x4 and then it would be even with the top of the saw horse . Then you would not need the crapy parts like the jegs saw horse . As for the clamps you can pick them up at a store .
@@diytoolreviews8278 no...you started off with a positive tone about kreg, then you proceeded to find everything wrong with bora. You didn’t seemed fully open to judgement about the new product. Loyalty is a strong trait.
@@Charlieedwardo It might seem that way on the video. But I can tell you that it isn't true. I really wanted to like the Bora set even though I am partial to Kreg. It's easy to watch a video and make a judgement one way or another. But it's also easy enough to go an test out the two units for yourself. It's hard to be unbiased when you unbox the two and set them next to eachother and you realize right off the bat that the Kreg unit is far superior in quality in every way. I guess people want me to pretend they're equal all the way to the end of the video when I reveal which one my favorite is, but I'm not trying to put on a show. What you see is how I felt as I was going through the motions of the video. Really not trying to please people and I don't care about the judgements of commenters who have never posted a video of their own. It's not about loyalty either. I have almost as many bora tools as I do Kreg. Any time I can find an item that does the job for less money I'll go for it. In this case the Kreg was FAR superior to Bora. I see comments that say they'll buy the Bora anyway, and I get that, but if you want the better built unit then that's just a dumb choice. If you simply want the cheaper one and want to convince yourself it's the same, then buy the Bora. Just don't ask me to act unbiased when one is obviously superior in my opinion.
@@diytoolreviews8278 well I can’t help but to feel the way I felt. But I am glad, you were open about both products. Plus, I can’t ignore the fact you did indeed purchase both so you can find out for yourself. That’s a plus for sure. 👍
Not an accurate comparison. The Bora Soeedhorse XT offers height adjustment. The more I watch the worse the comparison gets. Sounds like you were sold on the Krueger before you turned on the camera.
For a apples to apples comparison you should have reviewed the Bora Portamate Speedhorse XT Adjustable Height Sawhorse not the standard cheaper version.
I only see the track system on the Kreg being an alternative, Bora also has adjustable model, don't get me wrong Kreg makes some awesome products and I own a lot of them, reviews should just be apple to apples
I have Kreg workbenches and they are awesome. Was ready to buy Bora when I saw this. Ordered the Kreg! I’m handicapped so the height adjustment is big for me. Thank you for the time you took to do this, much appreciated!
Thank you!
FYI the Bora Speedhorse XT is adjustable 30-36in tall
You could use 2x6 or 2x8 or 2xwhatever for the sides on the speed horse to bring up the work space level to what ever you want. Also, the speedhorse will store under your roller toolbox whereas the Kreg will not.
You definitely help me make up my mind which one I’m going to buy. Thank you.
I wouldn't exactly call this an unbiased review. First 4 minutes was spent on nitpicking issues with the sawhorse and not even knowing all of its features. For example, the fold down steps for handling sheet goods as I see somebody else mentioned as well, and then covering all the things that " I like about " the track horse. You spent some time nitpicking about the 3/16 of an inch gap between the 2x4 and the top of the speed horse but there's a very evident similar gap between the 2x4 on the Kreg and the 2x4 that you slid into the track.
I appreciate the effort and the fact that you mentioned right from the start that you had a preference. But an unbiased review not a chance
Exactly! Hard to watch when I looked at the speed horse for 5 mins on Amazon and knew more features than this guy did..
Don’t forget the sliding around in flip flops. Annoying
At 0:42 he says he’s got a favorite going into this comparison.
Maybe those side brackets are quite useful for sheet materials if you only buy the one horse.
A door, for instance
BORA makes these same saw horses in an adjustable version as well
and as of this reply, they are out of stock.......
I bought the Bora Speedhouse XT’s. I really like being able to set up a level work surface using the quick adjust leg height. Plus I like the ability to use sacrificial 2x4.
WOW... Thank You for that presentation. I was just about to purchase the speedhorse from Amazon and I'm sold on the track horse.
You said every measurement except the 1-3/4" 😂 Its made for a sacrificial 2x4 to be screwed on top. True thickness of the 2x4 is 1-3/4"
138.00 a pair for the Bora. 138 each for the kreg of course there are quality differences. The main question is; is the Kreg sawhorse worth the cost?
Good review. I can’t count number of times I’ve had difficulty clamping something to the top of a portable horse w/out a flat bottom. Kreg design fixes that in spades. Additionally they’ve fully one upped the competition in creating a rail system with the removable tabs. The ingenuity of this design has obvious benefits when combined with an MFT style top with bushings attached. The tabs for rails which have accuracy and repeatability built in allows the rail a much higher level of utility as the rail has additional utility and could serve as a fence with graduations and/or support/registration with a track saw. I’ve recently invested time in an MFT top for the Bora Centipede which I’m very happy with but I can see these Trackhorses may have been my preferred base. These are much more than ordinary sawhorses.
PS. The fold outs near the bottom of the Bora are a very useful tool for anyone who hangs doors and mortises hinges; allowing the door to be supported on edge against the body of the horse.
Excellent comment. Thank you for being a valued subscriber and viewer. I totally agree with the utility of the Kreg track horses. People automatically assume I was biased cause I liked them more but I was as honest as I could be considering how much better the Kreg really is in real life.
I had the Kreg workbench and gave it away because of the weight, how does their saw house compare?
Had a speedhorse leg fold up on me with 2 sheets of 18mm MDF just yesterday. Messed it up. I sideloaded the bench setup with about 50 to 100 lbs of force. The undamaged leg won’t lock securely. I’ve found them wobbly and heavy, and a bit short. After 3 years, and light shop use, I will retire them.
I have both and I prefer the speed horse better for my use here is why. I find that the with makes them more stable then the kreg. If you turn the Kreg into a 4 feet table and add weight they will tip over found out the hard way. The Kreg are well made and I’m not saying it’s a bad product but it will depend on your needs. I find the speedhorse low in hight but a 2x6 or 2x8 makes the right adjustments.
ToughBuilt C700 is half the price of the Kreg and has some great features. That is my preference.
The side steps are for holding plywood when you can only work with one saw horse. Then you can make your cuts vertically.
The c700 looks like a great product. Thanks for the tip. I might pick up a set soon and review them. Some very innovative features from what I can see.
Good review. FYI the Bora makes a height adjustable version now.
Helpful review. The Bora Speed Horse XT is height adjustable to 36". Both items will likely suffice for most DIYers. I came here after I narrowed my choices to Kreg (love their tools) and Bora. Now it's down to pricing.
I use Toughbuilt C700's for my 4x8 work table but looking at the Bora XT's for quick setup and they adjust from 30-36 whereas the C700 is 25-32. Such a decision keep the C700's or get the XT's. (There is another video on Bora that shows them bending a bit under side-load. The C700's are strong in this respect. Bora claims they addressed this issue in the XT's but couldn't share the changes made.)
Kreg has clamp, that’s a win
Great, honest and realistic review. In my experience they both serve a very handy and useful purpose. Bora for cutting sheet and stock lumber, and Kreg for working and finishing smaller pieces or assembling.
I appreciate your informative review. Can I give just a bit of constructive criticism for future review videos? The video having only one camera shot was fine for most of it. But if you could do close up shots on details it would help a lot. I knew nothing of the Kreg horses and had no idea about the "track". I had to go find another source to get visuals. Thanks for your work. Take care.
Great feedback! Thank you!
Thanks for the review. Definitely gonna purchase the Bora. Kreg not worth an extra $80 for me.
Where you do the 2x4 is for plates so that you can easily saw off a piece. I have C700 from toughbuild and I like it very much. Only the T-track is a very nice extra to the kreg.
Ordered two...very happy.
HOWEVER, one came with out all the parts...clamp etc...sent it back, the replacement was missing the bushings...I just kept that one. Rather disappointing at the least....order two if you can and you’ll wont look back
That’s terrible. Must have been a return. If you call Kreg they’ll send you the bushings I’m sure.
If I'd done this with flip-flops, I'd have smashed my toes several times. Kudos...
Great review! But currently a pair of Speedhorses are $133 vs $238 for Trackhorses (Amazon). If I had a pressing need for new horses or I was a pro I would go with the Kregs for sure. Instead I'll stick with my very cludgy 20 year-old portable horses for now.
Thank you! I certainly would agree with waiting until you need them. I also set price alerts on stuff like this so I can swoop them up when the price dips which happens all the time. There's a few apps that do that sort of tracking, but I find if I just put it in my "Purchase later" basket in amazon, they'll send me an email when the price changes and that's usually pretty good. I have like 50 items in my bucket waiting for price drops at any given time ;)
Came here from amazon\homedepot looking to get started on home projects, this was so easy to watch and understand, thank you!!!!
You're very welcome. A good set of horses will improve any home improvement project. As long as you have a nice sheet of plywood you can whip up a work surface in no time and get cracking. It's such a great time/effort saver. I see workers every day using old school horses and immediately see how unsafe the surface is and how their productivity is also suffering from not having a good sturdy height adjustable surface. Glad I could help you make your decision. Which one did you end up going with?
@@diytoolreviews8278 Went with your suggestion, kreg. I already see the benefits. Wish I got it earlier before starting my project.
Seemed pretty biased from the get go, but, to be fair he did mention that. He should’ve just bought the kreg and saved the 20 minutes he spent on this video as well as the 180 bucks. I will never knock Kreg items but the Bora speedhorse is pretty nice!
Hey rad dad. How is the kreg track horses holding up? Thanks
They're holding up fine. But admittedly I haven't been using them as much as I had planned as most of my woodworking projects are on hold while I finish work on my backyard. I've used them about a dozen times since last year and each time they've been great.
The side pieces are for sheet goods or Sheetrock
Thanks. You helped me make a decision🎉
Nice! Which one did you choose?
Thank you for the demonstration.
I shall be buying the Kreg but you gave an unbiased opinion despite your preference.
Well done
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback.
Definitely gotta go with the Kreg 👍
Thumbs up until you said you were short at 6ft!! I am 5 ft 7, well 5 ft 6 now due to age. Thanks for making me feel great today
What’s the purpose of those 2x4s? What’s the difference if you have the plywood on the saw horse or 2x4?
@ Igor V. It’s so that you don’t risk cutting into the sawhorses and damaging them or worse yet you blade.
At 4:09." I like the say they grip thr board. No matter much i tightned the handle the board was not tight. Its ok if your making a table bit no way are u cutting that 2x4 .its way to loose. I brought mine back to the store
you ordered the wrong speed hoarse. They have adjustable ones
What's the maximum height on the kreg system?
Perfect. Thank you.
Bowing out , Bora has adjustable legs too .
Seen enough
Good video, but flip flops got to go.
Bora does come with adjustable legs to 36" ht . 😂
Better mic please - good review.
Bora is for me ! 😂
put plywood on the paqgs and lean it on saw horse
A smart person would just trim the 2x4 and then it would be even with the top of the saw horse . Then you would not need the crapy parts like the jegs saw horse . As for the clamps you can pick them up at a store .
You seemed very bias going in. From the start I can tell you preferred the kreg
What tipped you off? Was it the fact that at 0:40 I said that "I have a favorite going into this ..."?
@@diytoolreviews8278 no...you started off with a positive tone about kreg, then you proceeded to find everything wrong with bora. You didn’t seemed fully open to judgement about the new product. Loyalty is a strong trait.
@@Charlieedwardo It might seem that way on the video. But I can tell you that it isn't true. I really wanted to like the Bora set even though I am partial to Kreg. It's easy to watch a video and make a judgement one way or another. But it's also easy enough to go an test out the two units for yourself. It's hard to be unbiased when you unbox the two and set them next to eachother and you realize right off the bat that the Kreg unit is far superior in quality in every way. I guess people want me to pretend they're equal all the way to the end of the video when I reveal which one my favorite is, but I'm not trying to put on a show. What you see is how I felt as I was going through the motions of the video. Really not trying to please people and I don't care about the judgements of commenters who have never posted a video of their own. It's not about loyalty either. I have almost as many bora tools as I do Kreg. Any time I can find an item that does the job for less money I'll go for it. In this case the Kreg was FAR superior to Bora. I see comments that say they'll buy the Bora anyway, and I get that, but if you want the better built unit then that's just a dumb choice. If you simply want the cheaper one and want to convince yourself it's the same, then buy the Bora. Just don't ask me to act unbiased when one is obviously superior in my opinion.
@@diytoolreviews8278 well I can’t help but to feel the way I felt. But I am glad, you were open about both products. Plus, I can’t ignore the fact you did indeed purchase both so you can find out for yourself. That’s a plus for sure. 👍
@@Charlieedwardo thanks brother. And also thanks for watching my review. I hope it helped.
Great review thanks
Working with heavy items in flip flop shoes. You sir are an accident waiting to happen
Not an accurate comparison. The Bora Soeedhorse XT offers height adjustment. The more I watch the worse the comparison gets. Sounds like you were sold on the Krueger before you turned on the camera.
Definitely not an unbiased review.. it appears the kreg has a gap between the side boards to the board on top.
Bora is junk push on the sides they will cave and be useless clip lock will bend.....junk!
Lol not a very tall guy.. 5:11 is like the high 80 percentile. but ok.
Not an honest compare dude , come on man ! 😮
Your camera is to far away! I can't see nothing your explaining except saw horse silhouette
Love the safety flip flops bud.
And your microphone is awesome.
Really sir, fix both.
Good review. Thank you