Ranking Every Legendary Rocket in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The first tier list that I'm actually happy with! With the new ranking system, hopefully this one will be the most accurate one yet. After rockets we'll be on to linears, and then we'll be out of power weapon land! Compared to most power weapons, rockets are probably the most interesting, so I'm excited to see what you guys think of this ranking :)
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Analysis sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:38 Factors
03:05 Apex Predator
04:46 Ascendancy
05:52 Bad Omens
07:19 Blowout
09:00 Braytech Osprey
10:34 Bump in the Night
12:15 Code Duello
13:11 Cold Comfort
15:35 Crowning Duologue
17:15 Heretic
18:15 Hezen Vengeance
19:34 Hoosegow
20:42 Palmyra-B
22:03 Red Herring
23:47 Roar of the Bear
25:11 Royal Entry
26:20 Semiotician
27:24 Shining Sphere
28:33 Sleepless
29:06 Subzero Salvo
29:58 The Hothead
30:59 Tomorrow's Answer
31:43 Outro - Ігри
It's so weird that they chose to make High-Impact the baseline and not Adaptive.
Yeah, I always figured they should just chop the name "Aggressive", rename them to High-Impacts, then change the current High-Impacts into Adaptives and make Adaptive the baseline (like how they did with 140 and 150 HCs).
I think it's like that because of rpm differences which is still a weird stat to consider on rockets since at the time hezen's was the only overflow rocket and about 2 of them before and for awhile after the changes had clown cartridge
@@Shad_Shad_Shad I always thought that High-Impacts should have higher impact damage and thus be better for single target/boss damage and Aggressive have higher blast radius, explosive damage and rate of fire, thus be better for PvP and GM add-clear, with Adaptive being the middle one with just good stats and good perk pools, as usual for Adaptives, and Precisions should do a bit less damage overall but have tracking as they do. The damage difference should definitely not be as high as it is now. Maybe like -5% for Precisions, +0% for Adaptives and Aggressives* (Aggressives have higher aoe damage compared to Adaptive though, in addition to much higher blast radius, just on a direct impact they even out) and like +5% on direct impact for High-Impacts.
baseline you have agressive and adaptive frame, they both have same damage. precission are weakest, high impact have huge blast. and blast is crap like on grenades, same as explosive light. it will only get you killed if you have 100 blast
I came back after five years in Haunted and it took me an embarrassingly long amount of time to realize I had this backwards. It's just so, so strange and unintuitive.
These videos should be shown to bungie to maybe get them to rework the Europa weapons and possibly make them craftable. Even the moon has better weapons.
I've been wanting Bungie to update the Garden weapons and make them craftable.
As it stands, there's no incentive to do Garden other than getting Div
@@route77productions If I'm not mistaken, Bungie is gradually giving older Raids (and their weapon loot pool) the Last Wish/DSC approach, one Raid at a time.. so I think we'll get our wish for the Garden arsenal, sooner or later.
Out of the Europa weapons, the 720 Solar auto rifle is probably not the top concern for most people, but I'd be super hyped for that if Bungie reworked that whole set of weapons.
Moon weapons were 💩 pre Lightfall. Their rework was low key. I didn’t know about it for 5 months
@@TheTorqueAholicMoon weapons have been unchanged since some point in Beyond Light, though? They’ve been this good for over 2 years now…
an interesting thing to note with Stunning Recovery is if you are holding a weapon with stunning recovery and you stun a champion with something like a nade it’ll proc stunning recovery so it’s kind of like a pseudo demolitionist on rockets
Yeah it's kinda cool
That's really good to know, I wasn't aware.. so the perk doesn't follow the ingame tooltip description, but in a good way!
This tier list and any tier list going forward should be much more refined - as mentioned, I've changed my process in ranking and analyzing weapons drastically, so a lot of your concerns about previous lists should be addressed in next season's updates to every list. If you want to see the progress in list revisions, check the spreadsheet!
E: I'm aware of Cold Comfort's double Envious proc capability for 4 in mag + RR but I didn't mention it in case it gets patched, as it appears to be unintended behavior.
Jolly good damn good job as always!
anyone can analyze all for themself, just check weapon and perks combinations in foundry, thats what i do. for craftable weapons its best tool to check how damage, reload, range will change, is it worth to masterwork reload or range, is it worth stats4all or something else. some weapons range changes only by 0.2m where reload changes by 170ms. again all that is worth shit, cos next season we will have new nerfs and we need to wait for community to test and update changes that bungo will do.
Bungie's weakest overload champ dodging those 8 chill clip rockets:
Mf in the Matrix
Glad the tier lists are being updated. Was pointless not just ranking off of best roll tbh. Thanks for the work here
there are not many perks that are good on rockets, field prep and vorpal are just basic if you remember to shoot from crouch. you also always get that 10% buff. frenzy will give you 15% and 100 reload but after 12 seconds and you can mix with tracking. one4all, rampage, surrounded you need to activate them. holster its 2.5s, 2.3s enhanced but with fieldprep and 1 reload mod you can have reload reduced from 2.06 to 1.72s. use foundry and find your way
Maybe its just me but i think the Frame changes was kind of silly. All it did was make 85% of the rockets useless when you can get a rocket with a free 10% dmg bonus. Idont know if they should revert the change or just loosen it slightly, at least then it would shake up the PvE meta a bit.
Honestly revert it on all non-precision frames and then make it -5% or -10% for precisions since they have free tracking module
No? Rockets before the changes was Palmyra-B and nothing else. Why use any other rocket when it does the same base damage as everything else, with intrinsic tracking, with the (then) best rocket damage perk and enhanced autoloading. This also ignores that stasis weapons had the best synergy with elemental wells, and that this was craftable. Now, instead of one weapon being the option for 100% of content, there is now more variety with aggressives having the same damage profile as adaptives with some intrinsic strengths and weaknesses. I can reasonably have 4-5 rockets that serve different purposes rather than 1. People might say Apex is the same but that gap against the competition is so much smaller than what Palmyra had. Adaptive Frame rockets actually make more sense as the baseline instead of High Impact frames (given they have better intrinsic handling and blast radius over adaptives, which do not excel in any intrinsic stat).
@@twit_t9668 Oh yeah no I 100% agree with you. I was saying reduce the boost though. I think 10% is little too much. its close to the dmg boost of frenzy. I think it should be reduced down to more like 5% instead. 10% difference between Palmyra and an Aggressive rather than a 20% difference. And to give High impacts more of a chance as well.
@@billykritikos7734Totally agree with you, +10%/-10% is too big a difference.
It actually totals up to 22% more damage (1.1 / 0.9), which is like the value of a decent damage perk.
Imo Bungie should narrow the gap (maybe +10%/-5% or even +5%/-5%), but then they could dick around with other stuff, like reload speed, blast radius, and velocity.
Imagine if Precisions had their usual free tracking and only a slight damage penalty (instead of the current huge penalty)... BUT the rockets were stupidly slow, for example. And I mean STUPIDLY slow, to the point you have to worry about launching the first rocket before the boss' Immune switched off at the start of a DPS phase, and also worry about wasting a rocket at the end when the Immune switches back on.
I think that would be a more interesting way to balance them.
@@cykeok3525 Not to mention the tracking on rockets is basically useless now too. Most targets have some kind of random scurry, dodge, or teleport, so you may as well just use non-tracking and predict where to fire.
It is kinda right that perk diversity isn't really inherently good. Rolls are more important, having some extra perks that don't do the job as good doesn't make it better than a rocket with the same god roll.
Also antibarrier rockets are the only way to live. xD
Radiant or unraveling rounds makes it possible.
@@zachstinnett5475volatile rounds too
If I have Anti-Barrier effects on a rocket launcher, and I hit a shielded Barrier Champ with it, will any of the damage bleed through to its health? Or is the additional overkill damage (after popping its shield) going to be wasted?
I will always have a place in my heart for bump in the night. I spent 70 hours doing solo nezarec with that thing. It was the best rocket I had (before they released new apex) so I had no other choice except farming for a blowout which I decided to not do.
70 hours trying to solo him? or soloing him
The fact that my man makes tierlists in alphabetical order and Apex is first in line makes the whole video feel like chasing a high that you won't achieve again like how I peaked in high school and has been going down hill since
Relatable
These videos are incredibly good. Big fan of how you break each down.
rank all blue rockets next please
This is one of these rare cases where the S tier is used correctly in a tier list. Props to you.
I try my best to use tiers correctly :)
@@TheAegisRelic From what I’ve seen, you’re hitting the nail on the head 👍👍
I wanted to put this in the background but I just saw the first few minutes of the run cuz it looked so clean
definitely the best tier list so far. I disagreed with a few things in some others but this one I agree with everything.
This is the only one I'm pretty much fully confident in yeah
@@TheAegisRelic Your humility is refreshing.
As for me, personally, I just take every single word you say on every weapon as the pure unvarnished truth, hasn't steered me wrong.
Edit: That said, in all seriousness.. I don't really consider placement in the graded tiers as important/interesting as the explanation for your assessment for each weapon, that's where the real value in the content lies (imo).
I love the new ranking system. Thank you for your effort and in-depth analysis.
in 40 days it will be useless, bungo will implement new nerfs and more silent, break more perks that will not work, lag on servers that control perks and buffs and you get nothing. so what point in that? anyone remembers kinetic tremors? all that grind and today its useless, lasted only one season when it was introduced. tangles? useless. all that grind in last wish for supremacy, and what if you need 2 shots for tremors, if today there is not only 2s cooldown after activation, but also activates for 1 person. same like winterwhore. or like gallywhore doesnt give wolf rounds to everybody. same as tracking is useless.
quickly becoming my fav D2 youtuber, keep up the great work dude.
another week starting with a new vid from you LETSGOOOOO!!!
big fan of the new tier list changes, I was a fan of the "objective" tier list format, as I felt I was more educated on some more unknown weapons. However, this is still fantastic. Keep up the great work!
little thing with braytech osprey, if your a madman you can run pulse monitor and get instant reloads by by using the rocket shot to dmg yourself which allows you to dump shots. Obv very niche but kinda surprised it wasn't brought up
Hmm drop a Well near to the boss, and fire from close range?
@@cykeok3525 yea that is the strat, I haven't seen it anywhere in actual practicality tho
@@Ziphmiester Sounds workable, would be crazy risky though obviously.
Plus, Precision Frames have a lot less damage. When Bungie puts Pulse Monitor on one of the strong rocket launcher frames might be a thing :D
@@cykeok3525 I'd like it to cause it's imo one of the funner DMG strategies we've had but it's just not viable for general use
Not worth bringing up because it literally isn't higher DPS than just using a good DPS rocket like Apex or Cold
Me remembering firing clusters and Coldheart at Calus (Simpler times)
When you go back to swap specials, please try and consider handling. With a rain of fire build on an aggressive shotgun, something like slick draw can be way better to help it’s handling than any reload perk, since rain covers reloads and base handling is bad.
I did favor shotties with TD/Surplus/etc., but yeah that's something I'm going to continue to favor
Getting the godroll cold comfort on my first GotD run solidified it as my go-to rocket in dps situations. If I ever come around to play Last Wish again and craft the Apex maybe that will change
For real man, I got it literally my first drop on day 1 and I was looking at it like "wait... This roll kinda seems nuts"
im on over 100 tries still no god roll 😺
If you wait for LW week, you can find a Kali farm on LFG. Myself and a few friends did an ungodly amount of runs. Had it under a minute per kill.
As a player wit both apex and cold comfort it’s not even close cold comfort is leagues better reconstruction takes way too long to activate once you shot youre rockets and in most rotation dps phases you’re literally just better off dumping than rotating
Maybe it's just personal preference. Have my crafted Apex, still prefer using Cold Comfort as I'm able to output more DPS with it.
Looking back at this... I'm glad we got the changes we got "recently"
Field bipod on Bray osprey or semiotician is such an insane reserve of ammo
hope u have a good rest of ur day aegis thx for the vid
super excited for exotics! im just getting back into d2 after a long break and i want to give pve a shot after maining pvp for a while. this has been super helpful and is guiding me through builds and what to focus on progression wise
Sleepless with Autoloader+Chain Reaction was (and still is) my go-to Adclear rocket for Day One raids, actually, saved me and my team a lot in Vow and Root.
Good video again! Interesting stuff, unfortunate that a lot of rockets just aren't that good.
show someone this list 3 years ago and they’d go insane
Id love to see a video on things to pair with a burst weapon like cold comfort, parasite, or grand overture.
Basically, what specials or supers are the best to use after you blow your super front loaded dps weapon.
Id also love to see a full video on how to fix the europa weapons after your subsero salvo rant. Especially because I am coriolis force's #1 fan.
I've gone over that in the past but it basically boils down to Merciless/Horseman/LP Malf/etc
It depend on many factors but, with cold confort, i usualy use a riptide (with auto lauding + chill clip) and a primary (choose what u want, it's only use to proc BnS on the dps).
I can take advantage of the triple surge mod and mono (artefact mod) on the two weapon who will make the dps + the stasic warlock super gives u 15% stasic weapon damages, so again, it's benefit to Cold confort and riptide.
The rotation is simple.
First, proc BnS.
1 Riptide shot
Some primary shots
Ur first rockets
Then, dump all 3 rockets u have in mag.
Reload but don't shoot
3 shots with riptide (for chill clip damage)
Some damage with ur primary
Then rocket (u activate BnS)
And after that
Reload
Rocket
Reload
Rocket
Reload
Etc...
That's it.
@@TheAegisRelic appreciate the reply. I only found you with these tier lists.
One thing about cold comfort that wasn't mentioned is that if you have an ad nearby that you can finish the finisher will load the rocket and auto reload after you shoot it, providing a clown cartridge like effect as long as weakend ads are available where you are doing damage.
And the good thing about that is that it's not class specific reload so titan can benefit as well
That's not very useful
rly wanna see demo rockets become a dps meta option again with the radiance super coming back in the final shape.
Wolfpack rounds do affect lasting impression. They pop out when the rocket blows up, so you have to have the buff longer, and it means you can shoot it without Wolfpack rounds and then gain it. Doesn't change much, but it is information
What he meant was that the bonus DMG you get from the lasting impression does not apply to the Wolfpack rounds (same goes for Explosive Light afaik). Basically, while you do get the Wolfpack rounds with Lasting Impression, the Wolfpack rounds deal base DMG.
Running Nightfalls to farm Royal Entry (among other things) will always be a favorite and traumatic memory for me
I have an ALH + Clown cartridge, which is severely un-optimized, but when you are running with an un-optimized team that works fine.
Without having to switch, i can have a rotation rocket (ALH) and then a DPS rocket (clown cartridge)
Braytech osprey can roll autoloading bipod which let's you squeeze two rockets in for stuff like izinagi swapping. I have absolutely no idea how the dps stacks up against regular rocket swapping but it feels really good to pull off
Auto Bipod is maybe decent in theory but sucks in practice against regular damage perks
@TheAegisRelic one thing I didn't see mentioned is that on double perk / non craftable weapons you can switch to field prep for extra ammo capacity to pull from a flag then swap it to auto loading. Does this add an extra rocket when using a full reserves on a armor?
Excuse me sir, I follow your channel recently and I’m a big big fan. I’ve learn so much watching your videos. So much information here. May I ask you something, in which one of your videos did you say you go deeper in the topic of “stasis debuffing team damage dps” (I’m sorry if it is not the right words English is my second language)
Thanks in advance sir!
I think I mention Ballidorse in a couple of my videos but not sure which, probably the S22 meta one
Very nice ranking condition!
Me and the boys bout to pull up to a Master VOG with our moving target/thresh Subzero Salvos 😎
I think I fully agree with this, I think another thing that bumps Apex Predator further above Cold Comfort atm is Monochromatic Maestro existing on the artifact, with the Solar subclasses basically just undoubtedly being the best in the game all around you get to almost always have an extra 10% dmg on Apex Predator and your Solar abilities which might not sound like a lot, but it's literally just free vorpal that works on anything. Meanwhile Cold Comfort being Stasis hurts because the Stasis subclasses are all pretty mid atm, especially when it comes to DPS.
Solar best subclass? 😅
This is just your opinion right ?
I mean between radiant, restoration, well, blade barrage and throwing hammer I think it’s fair to say
@@Skhal Very objectively and it's outright undeniable how OP solar is atm. You have on demand healing, damage buffs, the best utility in the game, and the best damage in the game and that's just from their neutral game. There's a reason everyone runs Solar Warlock/Titan in solo content and why Solar Hunter is basically the only thing you see in DPS scenarios.
Roar's best use is the free IB gear slot when it comes around lol
That is exactly why I keep an impulse amplifier + cluster bombs roll in my vault for. I bust it out for IB
During the Bump in the Night section you mentioned chill clip makes you do less boss damage overall, just wondering if you could elaborate a bit or point me to a vid where it's explained? Just started doing endgame stuff and had no idea that was a thing, great vid btw!
Check my Pack Hunter video :P
Babe wake up! New Aegis video!
Glad to know the rockets I like to use are both a tier
I don't play the game anymore but i enjoy your tier lists... i don't know why but i do
I'm curious how Cold Comfort stacks up lately with Apex, considering the increasingly-common 4+1 rocket trick with Envious Assassin (storing 4 in the initial mag, rather than 3). With Strand/Solar Warlock for instance, it's an easy 6-dump at a minimum before even considering weapon swaps or luna reloads.
Granted, I understand why Apex is more generally applicable, but I was interested in how the DPS rankings might switch (if at all) due to the new tech.
CC has always been better Apex is just better overall
Take a shot every time Aegis says decent
Apex Predator got the BIGGEST glow up. Went from Genesis/Snapshot to Reconstruction/B&S
good video! voice in the 100-330 hz range is very loud
Great video
I will say (even tho this video is a bit out of date) that I kept an arc auto loading + lasting impressions rocket, and its niche is when you are the divinity used for a boss dps
You can fire rocket, use div, and even squeeze another in during a reload to keep up damage with triple arc surge, to at least contribute abit more damage
Yeah it's not a bad idea to stick a boss with one before damage
Notice you can shoot 5 rocket with cold comfort, envious assassin let overflow the magazine by 150% more if you not getting over 250% of the base magazine. Which means, you can reach 400% of the total capacity of a weapon, and then stack 4 rocket + 1 from origin trait
Yeah I'm not accounting for "bugged" double Envi proc but yeah that's a thing too
Part of me wants to use Subzero Salvo and do a sweaty rotation with it to beat LFGs and troll
Yeaaaa. Been waiting for this lne
Really like the new system man
Cluster Bomb Bad Omens used to be the GOAT for Riven with the 50% Void Debuff and highest RPM with Lunas Well. They later nerfed Cluster Bomb, Tractor Cannon, Lunafactions and Debuff Stacking, but for a while it was WILD!
I'm curious, was Chill Clip's "damage loss" previously just tied to (potentially) boss freezing/unfreezing interfering with chunking and weird damage values? Under normal circumstances, shattering a boss deals extra damage-not less, so I was curious if post-Ghorn-bugfix it was a half-decent option again? Granted, I still wouldn't use it over B&S or similar damage perks, but worth wondering.
Given that it takes 3 rockets to proc freeze now (no clue why the chill clip nerf wasn’t fusion rifle exclusive) I don’t really see it being worth a lot
@@nathanflinchum1153 Yeah, I can't really imagine a world where it's good at all, I just wonder if it's still a DPS loss specifically-something I seem to struggle wrapping my head around.
It's likely still damage loss but I can test at some point
My Envious-Bait’N’Switch Cold Comfort is currently my favorite rocket that I own for DPS.
I can’t get it to work consistently, but with Envious, I can get 4 in the mag + 1 reload from the origin trait. It was my MVP when I was solo farming the final boss of Grasp
I don’t have Alex craftable yet. The only roll I got is Demo Frenzy, which is great for the rest of the stuff I do
Cold comfort is s-tier content creator just doesn’t have a godroll. And doesn’t realize burst damage is ideal for melting bosses. I’d rather dump all my rockets then take time for recon to proc
I know everyone else loves bait and switch but I prefer explosive light on my apex. I am almost always top damage even against people who use a bait and switch load out. I have inspected other gaurdian and they were also using the same supers and builds (for example hunter on BB with stareaters and 3 surge mods). I use a solar rapid fusion and dump a full mag per full reconstruction. Yes I know bait and switch does give a bigger damage buff but Explosive suits me better
I remember the original Riven cheese (I think it was less than a month after Last Wish was released) was actually Cluster Bomb rockets...
They did way more damage before they were nerfed, but as stated in this video the problem with Cluster Bombs was getting all the secondary explosions to do full damage. Fortunately, Riven's gaping mouth was accurately modeled as a hollow hitbox.
So one-phasing involved dropping a Well and everyone just blasting their load into Riven's mouth, while trying to ignore the sexual connotations that at least one player out of six in the Raid fireteam would crack a joke about.
At some point Bungie nerfed the hell out of Cluster Bombs specifically to save on Riven's skyrocketing dental insurance premiums, but imo it was a pointless nerf since other ways to cheese a one-phase on that boss were constantly being discovered lol
Roar of the bear with demo/vorpal was top tier for me before they nerfed starfire. That rocket carried me through some tough GMs and solo dungeons a couple seasons ago. Good times lol
Apex predator wasn't kidding... it is THE apex predator of all rockets
Only took it 5 years but it got there eventually
I have to be the weirdest person in Destiny, but I love so much Crowning Duologue with Auto-loading holster & Envious Assassin that I dont use any other rocket despite I have Apex Predator. I mean, it's so cool to shoot a few rockets at once and always having it ready to shoot every time I draw it out despite the lack of damage of it's frame. To me I always choose tracking rockets because I feel I can trust the weapon more. I don't want to shoot a rocket to a boss moving and having it miss is one of the things I hate.
Stunning Recovery actually procs when using other weapons so long as you have the weapon with it equipped u will get refunded ammo to your rocket. Whether this is intended I don't know but I can confirm it works without needing to use the weapon with the origin triat to stun the champ.
It does indeed, but that still doesn't pull it above where it currently is imo
My relationship with Palmyra-B is that any new player I will redirect them to this gun since it’s so easy to get and it is usable for the majority of the game. If you want to optimize you will have to farm, but for new players this is a solid entry point.
Just get a blowout
I would've laughed if I saw Apex Predator anywhere near the top about a year ago, thats so wild lol
I really hope if Vault of Glass becomes craftable we can see Hezen Vengeance get a nice refresh, it could use it imo
No one mentioning that Braytech has Pulse Monitor which when standing in a well and near enough to the boss, you're brought to red health and then get auto-reloaded and and healed from the well, so you can dump ALL reserves without reloading.
I mean I use a roll of envious and bipod for funny 6 rocket mag(on braytech btw)
Because it's not worth mentioning, that doesn't have application anywhere and doesn't do more damage than literally any reasonable adaptive/aggressive strategy
it will never not bother me that high impacts dont hit harder than adapatives makes no sense
You can also manage to shoot 5 rockets out of Cold Comfort without reloading it if you switch to it while there are 2 rockets already in the tube :)
Yeah, didn't want to mention double Envi since it might get patched but that is a thing as well
yay relic video!
4:17 I wasn't expecting that 😂
It’s worth noting that Tomorrows Answer used to have field prep + clown cartridge.
I still have that roll and it’s not sunset.
Another commenter pointed this out, and while I do only consider the most recent pool for every weapon, that's a good shout
i have this roll but no damage perk makes it not great, right?
@@whereismyharem still good dps with 2 rockets every time you reload and more ammo reserves
I prefer Osprey over Red herring since you can use envious and bipod to dump rockets on bosses very quickly without using something like radiant dance machines so to me it has more overall utility
Honestly Osprey vs. Herring was something I struggled with so that's something I might revisit
Cant believe the doodoo log isn't in its own tier below D.
I've been running an Apex with Auto + Bait, and swapping with Supremacy and IKELOS_SG on a Well warlock
But I'm getting out-dpsed by my friend with Funnelweb + Arbalest (sword utility so no heavy damage) using Contraverse + Vortex (even when they don't hit a novabomb)
Is ability damage that important or am I missing something with Apex?
If you are using a heavy weapon and you are being outdamaged by a person using a vortex grenade and Arbalest you are definitely doing something very wrong
Pour one out for my boy Ascendancy.
I liked your ranking system, I am not looking for reasons to keep stuff, I need reasons to delete stuff and having a harsh system was a positive for me.
8:35 i used to use golden tricorn with hoil storm nades back in seraph shit was goofy but strong
Do you have a recommendation for when you need tracking for something like (a tetherless) simmumah? Also why did you say bump in the night is better than cold comfort for gms?
I don't actually even recommend rockets on Simmumah atm in those scenarios, but if you had to, I suppose a Tracking / BnS or surrounded Apex with a reload assist would be good (RoF/RDM). As for Bump, that's because it is - I'd probably take Demo/Frenzy over anything CC has imo
@@TheAegisRelic
Interesting to hear your preference for demo; definitely an interesting pick that I'd assume comes from cenotaph spam
As for simmumah, what is your current recommendation? Your spreadsheet still lists rockets as the preferred method
That section of the sheet will be updated soon :)
The way Bungie balanced the rocket frames is really bad. Obviously the increased damage from adaptives and aggressives will outweigh anything the other frames can offer. This change essentially killed precision frames.
Appreciate it!
cold comfort *can* get up to four in the mag from envious+reload from origin, allowing you to shoot off 5 instead of the previous max of 4. nothing crazy but an extra rocket without reloading is an extra rocket without reloading
Okay I should make a comment about this at this point
@@TheAegisRelic probably lol, i scrolled a bit but couldn't find anyone mention it, so I figured i would. then again you see literally every comment so i could just be blind
There's like 3 other people that have mentioned this lmao
@@TheAegisRelic how dare you not mention every single tiny hyper specific niche thing on a weapon
Rockets are so diverse rn so many different rockets really good they are very balanced rn
FYI you can open a link in a new tab by clicking the link with "clicking" with your scroll wheel.
I'm aware, many have pointed it out, I'm working on breaking old habits :)
@@TheAegisRelic
Out of curiosity:
Braytech Osprey can get envious/bipod
Can fire 7 shots in a row, maybe more
Is that what put it at the top of B or something else?
It's at the top of B because it's a good GM rocket thanks to its perks but doesn't really have anything for truly potent DPS
i feel like cold comfort is deserving of s-tier but other than that great list!
If it rolled Recon or Demo I'd give it S :)
preach brother
cold comfort gang
ITS HERE
My only issue was with Hezen. Your entire description was "I mean, you CAN use it...." which seems like it should be in the C tier, not in the same class as Hothead and Cold Comfort.
Hezen is better than every rocket in the tier below it imo - it does decent in both roam and DPS, but doesn't excel in either
What about pulse monitor for Braytech. Reloading the rocket everytime youre in the red. So standing in a well close to a boss and damage yourself too
Not worth using given Braytech's mediocre archetype and non-competitive damage perks
Love the new style on the tier list. One small critique from me would be not including the removed perks on weapons. For instance tomorrows answer used to roll field prep clown cartridge which made it probably the best void rocket for dmg. Though I can understand wht you wouldnt include that.
Yeah some people have mentioned that but it's a small enough consideration that I didn't really think it was worth including
So I wanted to ask my tomorrows answer had field prep clown cartridge. I didn’t see that roll in the vid as an option. Is it good?
It's okay. Hothead can get the same roll, so it's about as good as that. Not bad at all, but far from the best option in the current meta.
Hothead is better (Adaptive) but I didn't bring that up because I only count the most recent pools for each weapon in this video
FP CC Tomorrow's is okay though
so uh, i’m a returning player and i understand the whole BaS being that guy but what’s wrong with vorpal, i just got two apex preds (don’t have pattern yet) one with demo BaS and one with recon and vorpal and im confused on what’s better?
vorpal 10% buff bas 25%
Vorpal is 10% compared to BnS' 35%
Am I bugging or didn't you say stunning recovery was very good, that you tested it on an overload and it refills your rocket ammo making it good?
Also why isn't cold comfort good with bipod when there is stasis surge but Brey rocket is good with it?
Cause there is no stasis surge and hasn’t been for the past 3 seasons
@@warv6552 bungie already talked about adding stasis elements to the artifact next season. Also stasis surge has appeared in many other activities that weren't gms. And we shouldn't be counting on surges to rank a weapon, just the affinity for pairing other weapons with.
Your ass is not using Secant Filaments over something like Cenotaph just to get Overload on your rocket to proc Stunning Recovery
My Tomorrow's Answer has Field Prep and Clown Catridge. It might be the best legendary void rocket in the game.
I did more than a thousand strikes for all the Royal Entry rolls. Sad to see it.
I think with braytech osprey, I've seen pulse monitor rolls that let you fire a ton of rockets in a row. I think it's better than you have it credit for
way too situational
Pulse Monitor Bipod spam is the epitome of why you shouldn't trust quirky UA-cam clips for effective damage strategies - it wastes ammo and does less damage than any reasonable rocket damage strategy
with envious, cant you shot then switch to another weapon to self proke it ? could be useful for a GM, no?
You can use it like a pseudo ALH but in my experience Recon/Demo are much more effective in this regard
ahh yes, gonna use volatile rounds on my arc rocket to proc stunning recovery on hothead (:
but the list basically came down to archetypes sorting how i expected it to be and how i treat new rockets when they're released... precisions at the bottom, high impacts above them, and then aggressives and adaptives at the top, with a few individuals scattered into lower tiers
Radiant rocket stunning is actually legit tbh
@@TheAegisRelic ohh yes radiant for sure, but you also mentioned volatile... on the topic of hothead. volatile on osprey should work to proc stunning recovery though
The best and worst change for rockets was the nerf to precision frames. Back when precisions were meta rockets felt great to use in every activity... as long as it was a precision frame. Granted I havent really tried a precision frame since the nerf so maybe its not that bad. But 20% less than an aggressive is kinda crazy. Also I REALLY wish subzero salvo was good. Its such a cool looking and feeling rocket its scope/sight is cool, its unique looking but its just bad... like REALLY bad.
I wish Europa weapons could get a perk pool refresh. They could use it to give aggressive frame fusion rifles a second chance. If they gave Coriolis force good perks the thing would probably jump to A or S tier instantly and show everyone that the archetype was never the problem.
@@sylokthedefiled7650 I agree. I would love to see them do something with that fusion. I dont think the perks would really make it good though they need a full rework. Maybe it could be like a flat beam that shoots out kinda like black talons heavy attack but keep it horizontal.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 the archetype is a lot better than people give it credit for. I did some perkless testing and it beats rapid fire fusions in DPS and total damage. If we got one with good perks, I think it would be far better than people expect without any rework at all.
All sidearm next
Reminder that adaptives have a max of 9 ammo with reserves, aggressives have 10.
This is indeed true and indicated in the sheet :)
@@TheAegisRelic My bad, I usually listen to your videos instead of watching them for background noise, I guess I missed it. Thanks though