nice video bro! i just have one doubt,i am using my 800 and 825 and 825 rings and neck in place of 840,850,845 just because the lower lvls pieces has over 1000 crit and the higher ilv pieces has 0 crit ...is it fine ? since there;s no intellect on those items anyways..and no one cares about stamina anyways ...i mean i ll replace them ofc when i get higher items with crit on them..but for now it's fine right? i am sitting at 56% crit now
Absolutely go for as much crit as possible, it will only add damage to your combustion burst. Once you find a higher ilvl ring that has crit on it, take that, even if it has slightly less crit (if you're not going to be mythic raiding you can probably ignore that, it's just so you don't fall behind on stam).
Only reason I dislike cinderstorm is probably because I'm bad at using it. I feel when I use it during trash mob fights one cinder may not hit and hit another random mob pack possibly wiping us. I just feel its a high risk high reward type ability, so I try to stick with kindling
What I do is I use shimmer to blink into melee range while casting and then cast cinderstorm while facing the ranged players, then use shimmer to get away with no dps loss, you can also use your dragons breath while you're up there which can be a huge dmg boost as well, just be careful if you have the legendary that extends its range by 22 yards haha. They give us physical dmg reduction for a reason :)
I am still confused about 1 thing . In the basic rotation. Cast FBall1. Cast FBall2. If FBall 1 crits, I always Fireblast while I am casting Fball2. Now my question. What to do during the casttime of Fireball2? Even if Fball 1 critted. Should I always let Fball 2 finish? ATM I play like . Oh I got a heating up procc. fireblast asap. Some say, No you always finish your cast then you fireblast.. I hope some1 can help me out. Thank you.
If either combustion or flame on are about to come off of cooldown, save your fire blast. If there's more than ~15 seconds left until either of those come up then use the fireblast before the end of your 2nd FBall cast to guarantee the hot streak.
i think you waste an instant pyro here! if you start fishing for a crit, after the first crit put down rune of power and cast next fireball... at like 4/5 of the cast hit combustion since it is of the global cooldown and you can use it while casting .. -> second fireball def. crits -> instant pyro -> crit -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit - > fireblast - >pyro -> crit -> reset -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit ... so you got 1 more pyro out of it :)
Oli Hi If you pre-cast Wriggling Sinew ~17 seconds before pull like you're supposed to it's all about getting off those 10 spells in that 13 second window while you're able to use your 2nd on use trink (horns of valor etc,,,) It's all situational, there is no one set opener anymore but you want to be hardcasting the least amount as possible during a Wriggling Sinew opener,
Use Ice Floes. It takes a little getting used to but I have a video showing how I use 3 stacks of it to get 5 casts off: ua-cam.com/video/gIEapxIL95U/v-deo.html
For your relics do you use increased pyro damage? Currently I have increased ignite damage and my dps isn't really too too amazing. I feel increased pyro would be superior since more damage on pyro will give a higher percent ignite anyway. I just can't find a good one atm
why are you using cinderstorm over kindling? cause isn't the best way to maximize dps to get as many combustions as possible. I can get 2 combustions off some of the longer boss fights on mythic right now and it really does a lot of damage. so I just want to hear your opinion
It throws off the entire playstyle of the RoP/FO build. CiS also does considerable damage on top of being able to get you PI stacks before you burst if you cast it in melee range with shimmer/ice floes. If you watch my next video about cinderstorm opening you'll see how this can be taken advantage of with this exact talent build. Also, be sure to check out the altered-time fire mage forums if you haven't already.
I know statistics say cinderstorm is better but they are also considering that you are gonna be hitting all 6 cinders on your boss every time. I watched your video on the cinderstorm ability and I really think its not viable because on high mobility fights you aren't gonna always be able to blink up to the boss or look to the left to cast it. Going for combustion is way better, so I am gonna have to disagree but if it works for you then great. But its just really unlikely because most people who take the talent will miss like 30% of the cinders on a target and rather pull adds during trash pulls and shit
Brandon Fortin If you know how to get 5 casts out of your 3 ice flows stacks, I can't see how you can have any trouble with ANY amount of mobility, especially with shimmer. The only times it would be possible would be if there was an AoE around the boos at the time. Again, cinderstorm itself does a great amount of damage anyways. Looking to the left of the boss and being in melee rage aren't the only ways of having more cinders hit, If you go through the altered time forums there are great threads on how to optimize how to have all 6 hit at range. You know why they have these threads? Because cinderstrom is An amazing spell and most fire mages there agree that kindling simply falls behind unless there's a specific fight where you can take advantage of firestarter a lot.
So. First what's your ilvl man? I have a 838 ilvl, and I hold steady at about 144k. Using Pyromani, and Kindling. I am having a lot of trouble with my mobile damage. I know that will come with time.
In this video I was ~812 ilvl but i'm currently around 838 and find myself ending most dungeon boss fights at about 180k dps. For mobile damage I suggest that you practice using ice floes and shimmer on training dummies. Shimmer helps the most since it lets you blink while casting, so you can blink towards the end of a fireball cast and still have the cast go off. You can pair that with ice floes which when used correctly can give you almost 10 seconds of freedom of movement, I have a video on how to maximize ice floes stacks here: ua-cam.com/video/gIEapxIL95U/v-deo.html
Wtf are you insane, the cinderstorm does not nearly as much damage as meteor, and its not as good as kindering, the damage is pathetic and its based on rng kind of. Meteor gives a huge damage on impact and DoT afterwards, and living bomb for aoe is not as good as flamepatch.
Simcraft has proven all of these claims to be wrong time and time again. Do you think I just make these videos without doing any research? Watch my next video on the advanced cinderstorm opener and you'll see why it's OP on top of doing tons of dmg and not fucking up your burst timing.
dude is an idiot, shouldnt even of explained yourself. Not to mention, he called kindleing kindering lmfao. Btw buddy CS is on like an 8.xxsec CD compared to metors 45sec.
Did you read my comment even ? I did give an explanation for why I think the setup he used was poor. And another thing is that by using cinderstorm you are just wasting potential abilities. I mean, its okey that he found a way of making the damage work by standing in that spesific position, but comon, if the ability requires a good position to be at least useful, than why just not use one of the 2 other abilities that over longer periods does more damage. Well, I sounded like an idiot on my first comment, but I was just pointing out my opinions at the matter. Sorry for beeing a dickhead if thats what you wanted to hear :P.
Iron milk altered-time.com is where I got all of my data, always have and always will, on top of simming stuff myself. I even link it in the description. I'm not trying to be a dick but there are tons of theory crafting mages who figured all of this stuff out months ago. Also, cinderstorm does not require any sort of good positioning once you start to get good with the spell, you will just know how to face your character depending on the situation. Ideally it should be used in melee range with shimmer because of Pyretic incantation allowing all of your crits to stay even if some cinders don't crit, leading up to burst that is already increased by 25% on top of doing a ton of dmg.
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Stat Priority: Crit - Int - Mastery - Vers (Hit 1800 haste for 1 extra GCD during combustion.)
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LOL the picture and your comment.. 2 different worlds.
could you by chance..send me a link or something to where i can set my action bar up like yous? i can't seem to read all your action bars..thanks
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nice video bro! i just have one doubt,i am using my 800 and 825 and 825 rings and neck in place of 840,850,845 just because the lower lvls pieces has over 1000 crit and the higher ilv pieces has 0 crit ...is it fine ? since there;s no intellect on those items anyways..and no one cares about stamina anyways ...i mean i ll replace them ofc when i get higher items with crit on them..but for now it's fine right? i am sitting at 56% crit now
Absolutely go for as much crit as possible, it will only add damage to your combustion burst. Once you find a higher ilvl ring that has crit on it, take that, even if it has slightly less crit (if you're not going to be mythic raiding you can probably ignore that, it's just so you don't fall behind on stam).
in your opinion, what do you feel the correct caps for the stat priorities are?
Only reason I dislike cinderstorm is probably because I'm bad at using it. I feel when I use it during trash mob fights one cinder may not hit and hit another random mob pack possibly wiping us. I just feel its a high risk high reward type ability, so I try to stick with kindling
What I do is I use shimmer to blink into melee range while casting and then cast cinderstorm while facing the ranged players, then use shimmer to get away with no dps loss, you can also use your dragons breath while you're up there which can be a huge dmg boost as well, just be careful if you have the legendary that extends its range by 22 yards haha. They give us physical dmg reduction for a reason :)
I am still confused about 1 thing . In the basic rotation. Cast FBall1. Cast FBall2. If FBall 1 crits, I always Fireblast while I am casting Fball2. Now my question. What to do during the casttime of Fireball2? Even if Fball 1 critted. Should I always let Fball 2 finish?
ATM I play like . Oh I got a heating up procc. fireblast asap. Some say, No you always finish your cast then you fireblast.. I hope some1 can help me out. Thank you.
If either combustion or flame on are about to come off of cooldown, save your fire blast. If there's more than ~15 seconds left until either of those come up then use the fireblast before the end of your 2nd FBall cast to guarantee the hot streak.
thx for the advice. I'll start to practice.
i think you waste an instant pyro here! if you start fishing for a crit, after the first crit put down rune of power and cast next fireball... at like 4/5 of the cast hit combustion since it is of the global cooldown and you can use it while casting .. -> second fireball def. crits -> instant pyro -> crit -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit - > fireblast - >pyro -> crit -> reset -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit -> fireblast -> pyro -> crit ... so you got 1 more pyro out of it :)
Oli Hi If you pre-cast Wriggling Sinew ~17 seconds before pull like you're supposed to it's all about getting off those 10 spells in that 13 second window while you're able to use your 2nd on use trink (horns of valor etc,,,) It's all situational, there is no one set opener anymore but you want to be hardcasting the least amount as possible during a Wriggling Sinew opener,
hey whats that add-on for the floating text. please and thanks
MikScrollingBattleText: mods.curse.com/addons/wow/mik-scrolling-battle-text
Thanks a ton love your videos btw.
What happens when you need to move in fights? You just practice with cinder?
Use Ice Floes. It takes a little getting used to but I have a video showing how I use 3 stacks of it to get 5 casts off: ua-cam.com/video/gIEapxIL95U/v-deo.html
At what crit % should I not care to pick up any more crit and instead focus on int?
i would say 75% since you have the artifact trait when you crit in a row you get 5% per stack up to 5 stacks and it should be 100% if im not wrong
For your relics do you use increased pyro damage? Currently I have increased ignite damage and my dps isn't really too too amazing. I feel increased pyro would be superior since more damage on pyro will give a higher percent ignite anyway. I just can't find a good one atm
Always go for pyro relics. The only other ones that come close in dmg are the increased critical strike relics by pyro by far reigns supreme.
why are you using cinderstorm over kindling? cause isn't the best way to maximize dps to get as many combustions as possible. I can get 2 combustions off some of the longer boss fights on mythic right now and it really does a lot of damage. so I just want to hear your opinion
It throws off the entire playstyle of the RoP/FO build. CiS also does considerable damage on top of being able to get you PI stacks before you burst if you cast it in melee range with shimmer/ice floes. If you watch my next video about cinderstorm opening you'll see how this can be taken advantage of with this exact talent build.
Also, be sure to check out the altered-time fire mage forums if you haven't already.
I know statistics say cinderstorm is better but they are also considering that you are gonna be hitting all 6 cinders on your boss every time. I watched your video on the cinderstorm ability and I really think its not viable because on high mobility fights you aren't gonna always be able to blink up to the boss or look to the left to cast it. Going for combustion is way better, so I am gonna have to disagree but if it works for you then great. But its just really unlikely because most people who take the talent will miss like 30% of the cinders on a target and rather pull adds during trash pulls and shit
Brandon Fortin If you know how to get 5 casts out of your 3 ice flows stacks, I can't see how you can have any trouble with ANY amount of mobility, especially with shimmer. The only times it would be possible would be if there was an AoE around the boos at the time. Again, cinderstorm itself does a great amount of damage anyways.
Looking to the left of the boss and being in melee rage aren't the only ways of having more cinders hit, If you go through the altered time forums there are great threads on how to optimize how to have all 6 hit at range. You know why they have these threads? Because cinderstrom is An amazing spell and most fire mages there agree that kindling simply falls behind unless there's a specific fight where you can take advantage of firestarter a lot.
thanks for vid
what is your macro ?
So. First what's your ilvl man? I have a 838 ilvl, and I hold steady at about 144k. Using Pyromani, and Kindling. I am having a lot of trouble with my mobile damage. I know that will come with time.
In this video I was ~812 ilvl but i'm currently around 838 and find myself ending most dungeon boss fights at about 180k dps. For mobile damage I suggest that you practice using ice floes and shimmer on training dummies. Shimmer helps the most since it lets you blink while casting, so you can blink towards the end of a fireball cast and still have the cast go off.
You can pair that with ice floes which when used correctly can give you almost 10 seconds of freedom of movement, I have a video on how to maximize ice floes stacks here: ua-cam.com/video/gIEapxIL95U/v-deo.html
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Wtf are you insane, the cinderstorm does not nearly as much damage as meteor, and its not as good as kindering, the damage is pathetic and its based on rng kind of. Meteor gives a huge damage on impact and DoT afterwards, and living bomb for aoe is not as good as flamepatch.
Simcraft has proven all of these claims to be wrong time and time again. Do you think I just make these videos without doing any research? Watch my next video on the advanced cinderstorm opener and you'll see why it's OP on top of doing tons of dmg and not fucking up your burst timing.
dude is an idiot, shouldnt even of explained yourself. Not to mention, he called kindleing kindering lmfao. Btw buddy CS is on like an 8.xxsec CD compared to metors 45sec.
What research is that, show me. I need to know xD
Did you read my comment even ? I did give an explanation for why I think the setup he used was poor. And another thing is that by using cinderstorm you are just wasting potential abilities. I mean, its okey that he found a way of making the damage work by standing in that spesific position, but comon, if the ability requires a good position to be at least useful, than why just not use one of the 2 other abilities that over longer periods does more damage.
Well, I sounded like an idiot on my first comment, but I was just pointing out my opinions at the matter. Sorry for beeing a dickhead if thats what you wanted to hear :P.
Iron milk altered-time.com is where I got all of my data, always have and always will, on top of simming stuff myself. I even link it in the description. I'm not trying to be a dick but there are tons of theory crafting mages who figured all of this stuff out months ago.
Also, cinderstorm does not require any sort of good positioning once you start to get good with the spell, you will just know how to face your character depending on the situation. Ideally it should be used in melee range with shimmer because of Pyretic incantation allowing all of your crits to stay even if some cinders don't crit, leading up to burst that is already increased by 25% on top of doing a ton of dmg.