To be honnest the USSR is a very paradoxical State-Country, why? Well, USSR fell back in Technology *not* because it did not have the research capabilities. You will be astounded by how many digital and IT science theories actually are rooted from Soviet Mathematicians and Electronics Engineers(without underestimating Western scientings OF COURSE). But everything the USSR researched never reached the production lines to the civilian level. And that was due to dense beureucracy. I mean for fuck's sake with Korolev, the Soviets could have easily landed on the moon by the late 60s, but then you have Korolev being kicked from directing research programs because he was not in the Communist Party.
Yes, if we talk about post stalinist soviet union of course, they had, ironically, all the material things they needed, they had the raw resources, the manpower, and the experts (although many of them fled later on) but they stood in their own way. East Germany was the most advanced of all of the eastern block countries, they even were close to catching up with West Germany. BUT all the computers were assigned to some production facility and they didn't have any personal computers to use at home. Officially you could order one for extremely high prices and had to wait years for it to be delivered, or you were one of the few lucky ones who knew someone who worked at such a factory that they could give old parts so that you could build a completely random system yourself. I saw a documentary about some guys who couldn't afford PCs so they just bought computer magazines, taught themselves how to code and wrote the programs on a piece of paper and imagined how the computer would execute each line , that was all they had. They even petitioned to their city to fund a computer club and were successful. The regime thought they were investing in educating the young in cutting edge technology but they were really just 16 year old nerds who pirated and created their own video games lol
Digitalization should open up the possibility of genuine communism. The problem is that it is still steered by capital. You see how this affects the market. Instead of having various interacting peer-to-peer solutions for social media, which would be the logical way to organize the system, you get a single giant -- Facebook -- that gets away with numerous faults and abuses. If there were a large enough force providing a social and decentralized alternative, it could be the start of something great. Why can't we have a political movement pushing state funding for such services? My dream would be to have a giant modular platform for everything from education (providing plenty of materials) to economic organizing (a socially responsible gig economy, plus a network for laborers to organize). Political structures could eventually be dissolved into it, votes and debates happening via this system. We could have planning without a central planning office. A single plan would be decided upon using input from the whole of society. And information would be shared and checked from person to person. This is what I want to see.
I don't see how Peer-to-peer "Media" could be good on a society like ours, I mean, news goes P2P...how you "filter" the REAL info in such amount of data? (keep in mind you don't avoid trolls with P2P, nor people with crazy tendencies (Trump, Bolsonaro, fundamentalist, populism, cheap voters, Justin Beibers fans, almost any fucking trend) they will also exist in a P2P scheme)...in fact could be worse, if we have to dig in ourselves for the real news...I think It would end up in NO ONE watching the news (that should be watched), think and compare with the music industry (now pretty unruled, you can download everything for free, musicians record themselves in their houses and load it for free) everything for everyone...beautiful, now, I'm shure there is great music out there but I couldn't find it...and sure, I can miss the last album of Tool with almost no consecuences, but if my president nationalizes debt of his private companies and that info "blends up" in the biggest amount of torrents...How convenient it would be FOR HIM!!
@Alek- labs excuse me but your lack of arguments generates me a kind of sorrow and "how cute...this young guy" haha. How can you eat that cheap idea of "If there were a large enough force providing a social and decentralized alternative, it could be the start of something great"?, in what Disney world you live?, WHY?!, why the "wisdom" of the mass would be wisdom?, don't you see that most people are brainwashed?, don't you ever doubt what most people will do with shelter/food/universal salary guaranteed by a "great father"?, they would scratch their ass to death, news filtered by mass interest=BOOBS man...put your feet on the ground...I don't know what kind of idyllic ideas you are embracing but you're idealizing something that has no reason to be viable.
Why on earth would a communist think that Blockchain technology matters? Contracts are the basis of market exchange, your vision of communism is just market exchange without the capitalists. Marx warned of this error as early as his critique of Proudhon
Pure speculation. The USSR and the Eastern Bloc dissolved just before the dawn of the Internet and personal computers. In fact, East Germany and the USSR actually reserved themselves some domains as well. We simply do not know what would have happened if digitalization occured in the USSR.
Indeed, Zizek here seems particularly clueless and naive to the potential that computer science has in the context of Socialism and central planning. My take is that were the USSR exist today in the post-digitalization world, it would be propulsed almost one century ahead of everyone else, and would have solved about all its bureaucratic and resource related problems. The tragedy of History is that the USSR collapsed precisely at the moment where the most crucial tools for its smooth functioning were finally developed (and btw, they were NOT developed by the private sector and its fantasized 'innovative drive', but by state-sanctioned research throughout the globe, like every other major research field).
Do you really need speculation for that? We know how the internet in China looks. I'm pretty sure it would have looked similar in USSR. Hackers literally began using the term samizdat for the dissemination of needed and hard-to-obtain documents or information.
Source, please? It would be lovely if from now on little clips like this inspired your viewers to click a source link in the video description and educate themselves.
Tuigen Heim it would be wonderful if from now on you included links to the source under the clip. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting short clips to motivate and encourage people to educate themselves more thoroughly?
To a large extent, yes. I'll have to set aside a day to do it, assuming I remember to (don't underestimate the capacity for such small errands to slip my mind).
First of all during 60s and 70s the pnly computers that actually existed were big terminal computers. Second of all the Brezhnevs biggest mistake was the neglection of Victor Glushkovs plan for informatization of Soviet economic planing. Third of all gorbachev was by no means "naive and stupid". He had plenty of time and warnings to correct his stupid Katastroika mistakes. Gorbachev was an agent of corporative globalist aparatchik elite that saw the common interest with the western capitalists and couldn't care less about the Soviet people ot the future of the USSR. Money amd power through privatization was their first and only goal. This is also the reason why Stalin had all those communist party members under the loop. If someone started playing the socialist system and exploiting it for his private purpose he was greeted by NKVD and sent to gulag for "reeducation". This is why comrade Stalin was the greatest man of 20th century and a true communist while traitor gorbachev is in reality a corrupt and vile maggot.
Special congrats and thanks for considerately fading is flow of words. One thing can be said about USSR and computers : They also bought in on the legend of :a better 🌐 world to come about by digital tech'. A trojan presented to all the world by Silicon Valley ! How many updates did u do today ? Hahaha °
The success of Stalin - the man who used to boast that he conquered the United States "from the plow to the atomic bomb in just a generation" - compared to Gorbachev's failure shows that a socialist economy is unable to function with a minimum of efficiency without requiring a massive dose of political violence. In an attempt to reform a decadent regime, Gorbachev moved faster with the process of economic opening in the hope of removing the predictable resistance that the Soviet bureaucracy would create to economic reform measures, as thorough proof with the failed attempt. coup d'état in August 1991 - which ended up precipitating the final crisis of socialism and the dissolution of the USSR itself Its Chinese parallel - Deng Xiaoping - adopted a logic diametrically opposed to that of Gorbachev: it prioritized the achievement of economic prosperity (adopting in practice capitalism) precisely to delay any attempt at political opening, as was evident with the acceleration of the economy. reforms after the Tiananmen Square massacre. It is important to note that it was Karl Marx himself who, in his Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, discerned the scenario in which the conditions for a social revolution process are formed, describing it as follows: “At a certain stage in its development, the material productive forces of society contradict existing production relations or - which is only their legal expression - with the property relations in which they have been active until then. From the forms of development of the productive forces, these relations are transformed into fetters of them. So, it is a time of social revolution. ' * By rejecting the pursuit of profit maximization as an instrument to stimulate innovation, socialist countries ended up condemning themselves to obsolescence. Thus, they lost the chance to incorporate the productivity gains made possible by technological progress. That is why the capitalist countries managed to provide a greater rise in the standard of living of their population, even without pursuing the egalitarian ideal. Therefore, until the “final crisis of socialism” (to paraphrase K. Marx's own definitions once again), it was only a matter of time. But religious fanatics do not give up on their faith, even against the indisputable proof of the facts, which completely refute it! * Reproduced according to MARX, K. Preface to the Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, organized by Florestan Fernandes and published under the title K. Marx: Theory and historical process of the social revolution, In Marx & Engels, Great Social Scientists Collection, History, vol. 36. São Paulo: Ática, 1983. p. 232. Commemorative edition of the centenary of Karl Marx's death
"I had a conversation with a guy who was a little bit shady but interesting".....I'm listening
he sounds like he talking about himself lmao
Zizek-"Correct me if you know more"
To be honnest the USSR is a very paradoxical State-Country, why?
Well, USSR fell back in Technology *not* because it did not have the research capabilities.
You will be astounded by how many digital and IT science theories actually are rooted from Soviet Mathematicians and Electronics Engineers(without underestimating Western scientings OF COURSE).
But everything the USSR researched never reached the production lines to the civilian level. And that was due to dense beureucracy. I mean for fuck's sake with Korolev, the Soviets could have easily landed on the moon by the late 60s, but then you have Korolev being kicked from directing research programs because he was not in the Communist Party.
Yes, if we talk about post stalinist soviet union of course, they had, ironically, all the material things they needed, they had the raw resources, the manpower, and the experts (although many of them fled later on) but they stood in their own way.
East Germany was the most advanced of all of the eastern block countries, they even were close to catching up with West Germany. BUT all the computers were assigned to some production facility and they didn't have any personal computers to use at home. Officially you could order one for extremely high prices and had to wait years for it to be delivered, or you were one of the few lucky ones who knew someone who worked at such a factory that they could give old parts so that you could build a completely random system yourself. I saw a documentary about some guys who couldn't afford PCs so they just bought computer magazines, taught themselves how to code and wrote the programs on a piece of paper and imagined how the computer would execute each line , that was all they had. They even petitioned to their city to fund a computer club and were successful. The regime thought they were investing in educating the young in cutting edge technology but they were really just 16 year old nerds who pirated and created their own video games lol
Digitalization should open up the possibility of genuine communism. The problem is that it is still steered by capital. You see how this affects the market. Instead of having various interacting peer-to-peer solutions for social media, which would be the logical way to organize the system, you get a single giant -- Facebook -- that gets away with numerous faults and abuses. If there were a large enough force providing a social and decentralized alternative, it could be the start of something great. Why can't we have a political movement pushing state funding for such services? My dream would be to have a giant modular platform for everything from education (providing plenty of materials) to economic organizing (a socially responsible gig economy, plus a network for laborers to organize). Political structures could eventually be dissolved into it, votes and debates happening via this system.
We could have planning without a central planning office. A single plan would be decided upon using input from the whole of society. And information would be shared and checked from person to person.
This is what I want to see.
Farco I think you'd be interested in the (still embryonic, to be sure) developments of smart contracts and blockchain technology.
I don't see how Peer-to-peer "Media" could be good on a society like ours, I mean, news goes P2P...how you "filter" the REAL info in such amount of data? (keep in mind you don't avoid trolls with P2P, nor people with crazy tendencies (Trump, Bolsonaro, fundamentalist, populism, cheap voters, Justin Beibers fans, almost any fucking trend) they will also exist in a P2P scheme)...in fact could be worse, if we have to dig in ourselves for the real news...I think It would end up in NO ONE watching the news (that should be watched), think and compare with the music industry (now pretty unruled, you can download everything for free, musicians record themselves in their houses and load it for free) everything for everyone...beautiful, now, I'm shure there is great music out there but I couldn't find it...and sure, I can miss the last album of Tool with almost no consecuences, but if my president nationalizes debt of his private companies and that info "blends up" in the biggest amount of torrents...How convenient it would be FOR HIM!!
@Alek- labs excuse me but your lack of arguments generates me a kind of sorrow and "how cute...this young guy" haha. How can you eat that cheap idea of "If there were a large enough force providing a social and decentralized alternative, it could be the start of something great"?, in what Disney world you live?, WHY?!, why the "wisdom" of the mass would be wisdom?, don't you see that most people are brainwashed?, don't you ever doubt what most people will do with shelter/food/universal salary guaranteed by a "great father"?, they would scratch their ass to death, news filtered by mass interest=BOOBS man...put your feet on the ground...I don't know what kind of idyllic ideas you are embracing but you're idealizing something that has no reason to be viable.
@Alek- labs kid...do me a favor, go play Wii or something
Why on earth would a communist think that Blockchain technology matters? Contracts are the basis of market exchange, your vision of communism is just market exchange without the capitalists. Marx warned of this error as early as his critique of Proudhon
0:57 "You simp!" - Slavoj Zizek
Victor Glushkov could have saved Soviet Union
He really could have, I get a little depressed when I think of what could have been.
I am too happy that people know about the creators of internet (ussr)
Pure speculation. The USSR and the Eastern Bloc dissolved just before the dawn of the Internet and personal computers. In fact, East Germany and the USSR actually reserved themselves some domains as well. We simply do not know what would have happened if digitalization occured in the USSR.
Indeed, Zizek here seems particularly clueless and naive to the potential that computer science has in the context of Socialism and central planning.
My take is that were the USSR exist today in the post-digitalization world, it would be propulsed almost one century ahead of everyone else, and would have solved about all its bureaucratic and resource related problems.
The tragedy of History is that the USSR collapsed precisely at the moment where the most crucial tools for its smooth functioning were finally developed (and btw, they were NOT developed by the private sector and its fantasized 'innovative drive', but by state-sanctioned research throughout the globe, like every other major research field).
@@denxero take china for example
@@denxero Why hasn’t China produced the utopia then?
@@denxero I am sceptical of that tbh.
Do you really need speculation for that? We know how the internet in China looks. I'm pretty sure it would have looked similar in USSR. Hackers literally began using the term samizdat for the dissemination of needed and hard-to-obtain documents or information.
Source, please? It would be lovely if from now on little clips like this inspired your viewers to click a source link in the video description and educate themselves.
m.ua-cam.com/video/Iag--2S7084/v-deo.html
I searched on You Tube for "Zizek interview Ljubljana 2017" and found this. I think it's the source.
Malcolm Hanson Thank you!
Yeah, that's it. This errand managed to slip my mind for a while.
Tuigen Heim it would be wonderful if from now on you included links to the source under the clip. After all, isn’t the whole point of posting short clips to motivate and encourage people to educate themselves more thoroughly?
To a large extent, yes. I'll have to set aside a day to do it, assuming I remember to (don't underestimate the capacity for such small errands to slip my mind).
First of all during 60s and 70s the pnly computers that actually existed were big terminal computers. Second of all the Brezhnevs biggest mistake was the neglection of Victor Glushkovs plan for informatization of Soviet economic planing. Third of all gorbachev was by no means "naive and stupid". He had plenty of time and warnings to correct his stupid Katastroika mistakes. Gorbachev was an agent of corporative globalist aparatchik elite that saw the common interest with the western capitalists and couldn't care less about the Soviet people ot the future of the USSR. Money amd power through privatization was their first and only goal. This is also the reason why Stalin had all those communist party members under the loop. If someone started playing the socialist system and exploiting it for his private purpose he was greeted by NKVD and sent to gulag for "reeducation". This is why comrade Stalin was the greatest man of 20th century and a true communist while traitor gorbachev is in reality a corrupt and vile maggot.
Watch Cockshott. Zizek's knowledge of linear programming is limited.
Paradigm = Paradeegum
I'd like to see you try to speak Slovenian.
The Stasi would've wished they had the oversight of Google
COKE!!! Not Cocacola.... Cocaine! IMHO
Special congrats and thanks for considerately fading is flow of words.
One thing can be said about USSR and computers :
They also bought in on the legend of :a better 🌐 world to come about by digital tech'.
A trojan presented to all the world by Silicon Valley !
How many updates did u do today ? Hahaha °
The success of Stalin - the man who used to boast that he conquered the United States "from the plow to the atomic bomb in just a generation" - compared to Gorbachev's failure shows that a socialist economy is unable to function with a minimum of efficiency without requiring a massive dose of political violence. In an attempt to reform a decadent regime, Gorbachev moved faster with the process of economic opening in the hope of removing the predictable resistance that the Soviet bureaucracy would create to economic reform measures, as thorough proof with the failed attempt. coup d'état in August 1991 - which ended up precipitating the final crisis of socialism and the dissolution of the USSR itself
Its Chinese parallel - Deng Xiaoping - adopted a logic diametrically opposed to that of Gorbachev: it prioritized the achievement of economic prosperity (adopting in practice capitalism) precisely to delay any attempt at political opening, as was evident with the acceleration of the economy. reforms after the Tiananmen Square massacre.
It is important to note that it was Karl Marx himself who, in his Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, discerned the scenario in which the conditions for a social revolution process are formed, describing it as follows:
“At a certain stage in its development, the material productive forces of society contradict existing production relations or - which is only their legal expression - with the property relations in which they have been active until then. From the forms of development of the productive forces, these relations are transformed into fetters of them. So, it is a time of social revolution. ' *
By rejecting the pursuit of profit maximization as an instrument to stimulate innovation, socialist countries ended up condemning themselves to obsolescence. Thus, they lost the chance to incorporate the productivity gains made possible by technological progress. That is why the capitalist countries managed to provide a greater rise in the standard of living of their population, even without pursuing the egalitarian ideal. Therefore, until the “final crisis of socialism” (to paraphrase K. Marx's own definitions once again), it was only a matter of time. But religious fanatics do not give up on their faith, even against the indisputable proof of the facts, which completely refute it!
* Reproduced according to MARX, K. Preface to the Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, organized by Florestan Fernandes and published under the title K. Marx: Theory and historical process of the social revolution, In Marx & Engels, Great Social Scientists Collection, History, vol. 36. São Paulo: Ática, 1983. p. 232. Commemorative edition of the centenary of Karl Marx's death
Yes
First 16 seconds proves this guys a grifter
Here comes China ....
What was this all about? He didn't finish any phrase or idea jajaja
GorbaSHOW.... hahahaha
He is not even false😂😂
I wonder why people call him a scholar, when he should be taking classes from Chomsky.
It is amazing how when someone criticizes Zizek, they resort to Chomsky. I mean, is that the only leftist intellectual there is out there?