For the record, this video was made when I was in the middle of season 7. If anything after happened that might change my mind or contradict the video, that's why.
Honestly I have nothing against Starlight Glimmer as a character, as much as y'all hate her, there are a lot worse characters out there. Does she still mess up, even in season 7? Yeah, still some mess ups along the way and it is kinda stupid that it happens, but instead of fixating on that shit, I focus on the rest of the show and enjoy what goes on, you may hate Starlight and that's alright, I think she's alright and really not worth no longer watching the show, I still watch the show and thus far still enjoying it.
@@stuartvandermerwe8548 the case involving Starlight's forgiveness was out of the norm, as every villain was punished, which does not always need to be between arrest, torture or death. Sunset is always compared because similar situations are a matter of remorse after the fact, but the difference is that Sunset was "punished" by the students with suspicion and had to recover with their brave effort. Starlight has been pardoned by her village in a musical frame and must constantly keep reminding the public that she feels guilty otherwise it would not be apparent since nobody acts suspiciously close to her. in case of guilt, for example Luna she created an entity to torture herself to not forget the bad that caused, but this is an exaggeration since we have seen that everything Nightmare moon did was 5 minutes of fight before being banned. The worst thing she did was to attack Celestia and no one else. Starlight almost destroyed the lives of everyone in Equestria and is legitimately rewarded with confidence even after brainwashing Mane 6 if Discord had done it he would be turned into stone after all settled. if she were treated with suspicion by at least her village, or could not walk alone to earn the right, or even do community work or a job under watch would be a good "punishment" but not what happened was the same as a child kicking a ball in the room to break the TV, pot, bookshelf and pictures and the parents to enroll in a football program because the kick was so good that it needs to be shared by the world.
Unlike her Sunset had consequences from the first movie. Everyone was shunning her in the second movie, but Starlight's incident was isolated, therefore not public. It was Twilight's responsibility to punish her, but she screwed that up. All that's left now is to hope for actual consequences or she gets sent away.
@Mr. Shepherd Sunset was not punished for any of her crimes during her stay in the human realm. being ostracized was only the result of her being a domineering monster. but it should not be mistaken for a punishment as she was not sentenced to make amends or pay off her debts (not neccessarily in the monetary sense) with those she wronged.
I’ll never understand why some bronies found Starlight a “good, relatable, and misunderstood” character who’s just misguided. It’s not that I’m against characters who are flawed, my real concern is how they gonna portrayed them and execute their developments. The reason why I can’t take Starlight’s character seriously because not only she has a very pathetic reason to destroy Cutie Marks and her redemption is poorly done, she “supposed” to be a better pony while trying to learn from her horrible mistakes but in reality, she hasn’t and didn’t face any of the consequences.
Fire Master Those issues of yours are exactly how I felt about Starlight, The episode “every little thing she does” was A good example of why She’s the most poorly written character in MLP for these reasons: In The episode "Every Little Thing She Does" When Starlight becomes overwhelmed with so many Friendship tasks to fulfill, she resorts to using a brainwashing spell over the other Mane 5 to get the job done quicker. It was a terrible episode and I can't agree Starlight being a good character. While I get that it'd be a bit hard for a reformed villain to get completely used to the life of good, so few slip-ups now and then are to be expected, the way that Starlight was literally brainwashing Twilight's own friends just to sneak out of some bonding activities made her look both hella lazy and super sketchy for someone who's supposed to be "redeemed". Not to mention the way Twilight just didn't seem to give a crap that her own friends got mentally hurt like this and let Starlight go Scott-free just pissed me off too much. And it's especially damning when you consider what happened back in "What About Discord?" where Twilight was SO quick to think Discord was up to some dire brainwashing plot after he and the other Mane 5 simply had a good time hanging out together without her yet when Starlight here actually DID commit literal brainwashing against Twilight's friends she just brushes it off like it was no big deal and even laughs at the thought of her friends getting hangovers from the incident...and It was terrible characterization for Twilight to just brush it off. In my opinion, Starlight Glimmer could've been a good counterpoint to Twilight in terms of ideals As A Villain. I did love the idea Of Two mares with opposing views on leadership and friendship would've been an interesting concept for the series but her terrible redemption ruined it.
Imagine this from a random person: `` O MY OC IS A UNICORN WHO'S STRONG ENOUGH TO ENSLAVE AN ENTIRE VILLAGE, AND DEN GO BACK IN TIME EVEN THOUGH IN SEASON ONE TWILIGHT COULDN'T DO THAT ONLY FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF SECONDS! `` `` AND DEN MY OC BECUMZ REFORMD AND BECOMES TWILIGHT'S STOODENT AND DEN BE STRONGA THAN HER IN GENEROL `` `` AND DEN MY OC HELPZ REFORM DA CHAENGLINS WITH LUV OMG AND DEN TRYING TO REFORM CHRYSALIS BUT FAILD AND DEN BEFRIENDS HER WHOLE VILLAG AND YE `` `` AND DEN I HELPED TWILITT FREE STIGYAN FROM DA DARKNEZZ AFTER MAKEIN TWILIT FEEL BAD FOR FREEIN STAR SWIRL FROM DA LIMBO BECAUSE THEY WOLD OF BEN SENT DERE IF STAR SWIRL WAS DERE WHEN DEY WERE IS VILLIAN `` `` AND DEN BECOMES A HOOMON AND DEN HELPZ A RANDOM PERZON FIX THEIR EVIL WEIZ `` She's ruined the show in general.
JessicaPlayZ Well the show is still enjoyable but Starlight acts like a merry sue. I still don't why she have plenty of fans, it's mind boggling how people go all over for here, Hell even Ember was right that Starlight and Twilight are the same!
Starlight is the backbone of Equestria. Without her Chrysallis will never be defeated and Equestria will ruin. She also one of the most important pony at School of Friendship.
Starlight is the strongest unicorn. Maybe better than Starswirl. She use Starswirl magic more efficently than himself. She create various new spell and most important thing, she didnt attend to Celestia Magic School!!! It mean she didnt need any great school to be better. Maybe she can be an Alicorn if she didnt has any childhood problems. Dont judge someone from their past.
@arianna don’t even bother trying to reason with this one. He or she will just keep on defending Starlight no matter how many times you him or her that Starlight’s character has so many issues.
I was so disappointed when they suddenly shoved starlight into our faces, i started rewatching mlp for nostalgia, i loved the mane 6 but i started getting bored when startligbt and trixie duo started coming in, plus trixie is so i mean SO annoying and a narcissist. The new characters i mean only the two of them, are unlikable (so far) I'm only at season 7 ep 1
The writers are willing to break the rules and continuity ONLY for Starlight so she can be "special". How can a unicorn be more powerful than alicorns when they're supposed to be powerful than other ponies!? Hell, Twilight used to be a unicorn until the season 3 finale. Basically, Starlight is a bland, OP Twilight copycat. You don't have to worry about any contradictions because Starlight still hasn't changed and the show's almost over.
@@Cyando but in most episodes in season 6-9 whenever we see twilight on screen starlight is nowhere to be seen. Also during when twilight was celestia’s pupil, twilight and celestia were in separate places. Twilight moved from Canterlot to Ponyville while Celestia was still in Canterlot doing her royal duties.
Honestly by Season 8 I've stopped watching the show regularly, and Starlight is part of the reason why. What annoys me the most is her constant Creator's Pet status in how so many episodes just focus on showcasing how awesome she is or shoving her in everything. It's gotten to repetitive. She's constantly stealing roles other character's could've fit in simply so they writers can make her look better than them. Every time there's an arc or main conflict expect her and ONLY her to resolve it (Seasons 6 & 7, both 2 parters weather it'd be openings or finales have had Starlight resolve the conflict, while the Mane Six are useless The same happens AGAIN with the Season 8 opener where she has to be the open who reminds Twilight, while Twilight and the mane six have been hit with idiot balls), while the other Mane characters are dumbed down to Idiot Ball status just for her. She's even added in plots where she isn't needed. It's also weird despite "having to learn the ropes" she instantly knows how to solve the conflicts of other characters. The show has a problem with having characters throw away their continuity for the sake of Starlight being special. It's a bad habit and it should stop. For instance, in "Rock Solid Friendship", Pinkie all of a sudden doesn't know that you shouldn't compromise the happiness of others based on your own desires so Starlight can teach her. All of a sudden, in "No Second Prances", Twilight forgot what forgiveness is so Starlight can teach her. All of a sudden, in "To Where and Back Again", almost literally everypony gets captured somehow so Starlight can save the day. Those were just a few examples of the show doing this. Completely throwing away other characters' continuity in favour of building up Starlight is a bad thing to do. It ruins the other characters and makes the character that was built up unlikable. She's basically taking over everybody's roles. Not only that, but she's a very bland character. Many people like to point out how she's a Sunset Shimmer expy, and while that's true she's slowly becoming the new Pre-Alicorn Twilight. Starlight can also be considered a substitute for the original Unicorn Twilight from Seasons 1-3. The similar name, similar design, the Super OCD tendencies in her personality, the lack of social background and naivete, and the immense magical potential and ability that leads to her becoming being taken in as a student in the study of Friendship by an Alicorn Princess, just like Twilight originally was. She even sounds similar to Twilight in her voice post Heel-Face Turn. Which leads into how she's become bland and uninteresting, considering she's just a more uninteresting Twilight now. This is even lampshaded in a few instances. Trixie outright calls Starlight "Mini Twilight" at one point (technically she is indeed slightly shorter than Twilight), Ember points out that Twilight and Starlight act and look very similar and in the Season 7 premiere, Twilight straight up tells Celestia, quote "After all, you were me, and I was Starlight." This is then taken Up to Eleven when Ember cannot tell the difference between her and Twilight since they are so alike, stating they are purple ponies with purple hair, have similar cutie marks and similar names. While the show continues to add some gems of episodes in its name, it doesn't have the magic it use to imo. Not just because of Starlight, but the show itself. And let me say there's nothing wrong with the fact Starlight is a main character, it's how much she's either taking away from other characters or how things seem to be rewritten just to ride in her favor. It's like they're trying to recreate another Twilight again.
I can't even watch the show anymore. It's dead. I don't know why they shove Starlight in our face so much, I can't stand her. She had so much potential to be a great character.
I ALMOST stopped watching after the season 7 finale. God I hated that. But the Young 6 of season 8 saved it. I WOULD have stopped watching season 9, but you know, final season
I love this, Soo many people seem to be blinded by starlight and bringing up bullshit reasons for her being a "good character". I could spend an hour telling them off but they seem to show a stubborn unwillingness to see reason.
You trying to change other people's minds is just as annoying as them trying to change yours. Just let there be peace and opinions. Not just "one person" is correct. It's just as annoying for Starlight fans being hated as it is the other way around. It's a MLP show, it's not this big of a deal.
Honestly, as someone who loves Starlight, I have to say your points make a lot of sense. I do notice that the writers try to force her into the spotlight, and the writing in Special Mirror Magic irritated me in general. And keep in mind, you have every right to keep your current opinions, and they are very valid! But here’s my personal take on Starlight: The reason why I’ve grown to love Starlight is because firstly, I personally think she’s proven herself to be redeemed in the season 6 finale, even if she’s written to hog the stage. Like, yeah, her backstory is the worst and what she’s done is deplorable, and I DO think she should’ve been punished BEFORE shes redeemed, but I decided to give her a chance at that moment (not spoiling in case you haven’t watched it!) Secondly, I’ve noticed that she didn’t completely change, but eventually acknowledges that and tries her best to improve, even sometimes fearing that she might revert back to her old ways. It’s not for EVERYTHING she’s done, but she’s tried to improve when she IS aware. I personally relate to that; I was a horrible person when I was younger, and nowadays I was told I’m a lot different, but I fear that I might go back to being the old me, like, what if I’m still a jerk/bully? What if people don’t accept that I’ve changed? Will I be able to live a normal life one day, because I’ve changed? I get anxious and think about these questions a lot, and I was relieved to see a character who goes through a similar thought process. Heck, I might have a lot of things I wasn’t aware of but NEED to face! Sure, there are other shows with characters like that, but I didn’t really expect a show like MLP to do that. Plus, it’s my comfort show. But, unlike Starlight, I actually got punished for my actions. I was bullied back; beat into a pulp because some people didn’t like my drawings. I was told by my new friends and therapists that even if I was horrible, there could’ve been a better way for me to learn to become a better person. As in, no one should be punished in order for them to change (aka positive reinforcement.) I’ve decided to take their word and that was when I watched MLP (or rather, rewatched and then finished haha). I decided to not forgive Starlight at first, but I also thought that if there was a way to become better without punishment, then alright. Now, I look back and think that she should’ve been punished, because she led to the near-end of the universe. But once her punishment is finished, if she is still willing to learn to be better, then why not let the princess of friendship teach her? Plus, what she’s done against Twilight is completely unrealistic. The first part of Starlight’s villainy, yeah it’s realistic, but nowhere near the level of real life examples. If the show wrote about a fascist serial killer and tried to redeem them instead, then it would be a different story. I could go on and on about her as a character, both the good and bad, but yeah. That’s my take. Still, your video is wonderful, and it definitely got me thinking!
I hate her backstory like you started a colt because one friend left for school and never called back ok see what I would do is simple say all of her friends did the same thing starlight glimmer had lots of friends but everytime they get there cutie mark's they leave home. that would make her believe that cutie mark's taking away friends valide because it happened to her over and over again.
Even though it's been 3 Years since Shady Doorag's rants about Starlight Glimmer were released, I still agree with them to this day, and here are the main problems I had with Starlight's redemption: One of the problems I had with Starlight Glimmer's terrible redemption is that she never actually bothers to be better and face any actual consequences for her actions. The Mane 6 and everyone else was so weirdly chill around her despite the terrible brainwashing and slavery she committed to them, which I find to be very alarming, especially when compared to how in The Equestria Girls movie everyone was still rightfully angry at Sunset for how she turned into a tyrannical she-demon. Sometimes Starlight does admit that she made a mistake, but that just doesn’t seem enough to me because everyone around her is in such a hurry to forgive her and tell her “It’s okay Starly, you’re trying your best.” and that’s what annoys me the most about her. Starlight received no consequences whatsoever for indoctrinating ponies and messing with the very fabric of time out of petty revenge and because of a pathetically childish motivation of her friend moving away when she was little (compared to Apple Bloom who actually handled losing her friend Twist like an adult and sought out new ones), instead of having forgiveness handed to her on a silver platter by the same ponies she wronged without doing anything to earn it. What's even more frustrating is how she gets off scot-free or gets rewarded every single time either because "she meant well", she gave a feeble apology, there was conveniently a way to undo the damage she did or it only worked out in the end out of pure luck. So Despite all these terrible and reckless decisions, she got given a massive amount of status and privilege, became allowed to stay in a member of royalty's home as their student, and even become a guidance counselor at their school, along with the writers passing off these awful actions as cute personality quirks. To Me, Starlight DESERVED to face the consequences for her actions and she NEEDED to be punished more because she didn’t face anything for what she has done as a villain, aka changing the damn history of Equestria! As for Trixie, sigh...Even though she wasn't a full-on villain in the show, I still find her to be such an annoying character. To me, Trixie is nothing but An Egocentric, Narcissistic Brat with severe attention-grabbing issues. The fact that Trixie views herself as "Great And Powerful" just makes her Delusional and Arrogant. I think those two traits would suit her more. I mean, why would anyone want to be friends with that Brat? Her redemption didn't help because to me it was forced, and to me, her friendship with Starlight Glimmer, who was the worst reformed villain, was kind of a Toxic relationship in my eyes and didn't help improve her at all, it made her more annoying to me than anything. The episode "All Bottled Up" was one of the reasons why I Hated Trixie. It doesn't make it any better to come back to it since it basically all but proves how much of a toxic dynamic Starlight and Trixie have grown to see in the show. In this instance, it wasn't just because of Starlight in the episode, but Trixie herself for her overbearing smugness and insensitive ignorance to Starlight's growing frustration while they were trying to find the map. I'll be honest, I may not care much for Starlight on her own and I consider her redemption arc to be written terribly but even I found her treatment in the episode to be terrible...And I was just sick of Trixie. The Mane 6 didn't fare any better with them being derailed into cheesy clichés of themselves in some forgettable side plot about exploring some friendship adventure or whatever, so there's very little else for me to enjoy about this episode too give it much of a pass. So to me, Her so-called "Friendship" with Starlight didn't help either because I found their relationship to be very toxic. Tell me if I'm wrong!
starlight glimmer is like the writers self insert character Mary sue Oc shes so bland and up and useless and one million other things I woild have liked better if starlight had a better backstory , did not get instant y forgiven by the town, ans the mane 6 were still salty and about what she did (T_T) at least that and then 🆕t make her a main cast member make her go off or make her a have a fight with two and she leaves
god, i would love to watch you criticize to where and back again. starlight has so much wangst about the ponies she brainwashed for years and said ponies accept her back like it was no biggie. just once i would like to see somebody actually dealing with the trauma of starlight ruling them and starlight having to own up to the fact that her actions hurt people big time, instead of her feeling shitty that ponies will hate her when THE PONIES SHE ABUSED DONT EVEN HATE HER AT ALL. i think thats why discord and sunset work so much better. discord is still mistrusted after four seasons, and sunset needed a whole movie to earn people's trust. starlight gets forgiven in a single musical number.
oh yeah, i think i watched that video before i actually caught up to finish s6. so i'll rewatch it :) i'm just so pissed at how lazy the reformations have gotten that nobody has ANY ill will against her after her reformation.
Another good video. I too, don't really watch mlp for the show itself (at least like I used to, and especially now that Starlight is in it.) I hate how people try so desperately to defend her. I dislike Starlight for many reasons and the biggest reason is indeed the fact that the other characters are made useless, inconsistent, or the like just to make her look better. Like in a royal problem, in which the map called Starlight to fix the problem between the princesses, it calls Starlight, I was annoyed. It would have made better sense to call Twilight, because who knows Celestia and Luna like she does, who's the princess of friendship?! Not Starlight! Twilight even said there was nothing she could really do about it, which hit me on the head like a freight train. Don't get me started on no second prances. Twilight forgave and befriended the pony that literally enslaved ponies and nearly destroyed equestria through messing with time (even going so far as making her her student) but cannot forgive and befriend Trixie, who wasn't as awful?Didn't Boast Busters imply that Twilight was open minded to forgiving Trixie as long as she learned her lesson? Didn't the end of the Magic Duel imply that Trixie was forgiven and that there were no hard feelings? So it seems, the writers reason for changing that was to make it seem that Starlight was willing to be a better friend than Twilight, yikes.
I, too, had issues with A Royal Problem, despite it being a really good episode. Why is the map calling Starlight in the first place? Honestly, I'd be willing to accept that this was a problem only Starlight could solve, but the map is supposed to only call the counsel of friendship, which Starlight is not a part of. I guess we can just throw those rules out the window.
The reason why the map didn’t call Twilight was because she was going to be bias for Princess Celestia, which makes a lot of sense considering she’s her mentor and all. We needed a pony who doesn’t show any bias towards the Princesses, and has strong magical ability to solve the problem, like Starlight.
To put more onto what I said before, Sunset is sooo much better than Starlight! Let’s get this straight first, they both did something bad, they both were taken out by princess Mary Sue and friends, they both did hard cleanup to erase what they did and.....wait. SUNSET DID THAT!! She was ignored and tortured of her mistakes and worked up to be a better person/pony by showing how much she changed(not to mention rebuilt the school after EQG1)! What did Starlight have to do? ....nothing. Big, fat, fucking nothing. After Twilight changed her, she had no reprimand for her actions, no punishments, no anything! Just a fat sticker on her sorry ass saying "I’m the princess of friendship's new student so I get no punishments at all". This is why I hate her and I love Sunset. She worked hard to achieve her goal while Starlight sat in a crystal palace which she NOW LIVES MIND YOU with just an annoying, and horrible teacher. Not a good punishment and definitely not a good character.
The diffences between Sunset and Starlight is Starlight has a bad time in the past. She lost her friend, never saw her mother ,always lonely and her father just keep her like a little girl. But Sunset, she has a good teacher who was cares about her and she never lonely. Starlight be a villain to find the truth. But Sunset? Haha, for the force huh? So that's why you cant equate between Starlight and Sunset. They have a different personality, background and friend. Many people hate Starlight just because Sunset better. You know it is necessary to Sunset to correct her mistake. But Starlight, we need to teach her and understand her emotion. I still think that Starlight not a bad pony
I have not seen Magic Mirror yet but Im sure I know why they paired Starlight and Sunset Glimmer up. It's cause they were bad girls who got redeemed by the mane six. I don't have Starlight but I'm not entirely a fan of hers. That season 5 ending song of her redemption was subpar
Yes, but rather than having Starlight and Sunset work together, as two individuals who went through similar circumstances, Sunset is casted into a pocket dimension while Starlight gets all the glory.
im a fan of starlight myself but i do agree that she is overpowered and even poewerfull to banish Discord a shield that can explode powerfully i understand the reason and why and i agreed with it the creator should have focus more on character development than having starlight powerfull enough to change reality yes i know im late i just want to put this on
I think what really sealed my dislike for this character was the moment she switched Celestias and Lunas cutie marks. She couldn't even defeat Twilight in her debut episodes yet all of the sudden she is more powerful than freaking Celestia, the god-version of the pony world? Give me a break. You know, I love Sunset Shimmer as a character because she had to earn the trust from the people she hurt. Although they accepted her thanks to Twilight in Rainbow Rocks, she was still not really invited in all group activities. They would always bring up her worst moment right in front of her and you can see how this hurts her. Yet she didn't let that interfere with the new path she chose to follow and in the end had to prove that she was reformed. Her reformation seems so much more natural and every new steps or mistakes she makes (as seen in Friendship Games or Forgotten Friendship) give her the opportunity to learn more and become the person Celestia always wished for her to be.
@Wolpertinger A really! wow, I never thought of it that way. actually, none of what you just said is actually true. Sunset's reformation and transition from bad to good were forced and inorganic--basically being changed against her own will by a magical artifact. also, none of her original personality remains; she's a different person from what she once was. she has none of the dynamics and depth that she is purported to have by her fanbase. and since she turned a new leaf over, she has no flaws whatsoever. any little flaws she has are only temporal; they only serve to drive the story foward. seriously, she is proficient at everything she does, even if she had no prior knowledge and/or experience in that skill. so thank you Wolpertinger for only proving why reformed Sunset Shimmer is the worst character in My Little Pony history and why I freaking loather her.
Wolpertinger I see what you’re saying, but the UA-camr isn’t wrong on why the character is terrible, he’s spot on about it in fact. I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way. Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable. Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions. Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids. Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP. Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers. I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God. The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology. So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
You know Starlight is the next Starswirl generation. She has a power that more powerful than Twilight even Starswirl have. Example, she used Starswirl time spell more efficiency than himself and she create a various spell. She is genius, inovative and has a good thinking .And she is the only pony that can change other pony cutie mark. And you want to know someting. She didnt attend to Celestia Magic School. It mean she didnt need to go to any great school to be better. I know her attitude is bad but it is her real character. We know she just stay at her father house almost at all of her life. So she got depressed and will take a long time to be better. Thats why she is bad and look like annoying pony (for some Starlight haters). So the moral is dont judge someone from their past :)
Almost a 2 year old video but I’d like to say something about Starlight While I’m not that much of a hater of Starlight, I hate how she’s easily forgiven for her actions. Sell your bestie’s cart? Just say sorry Turn a village into a cult? Just say sorry Stalk your nemesis until you go back in time to stop your nemesis’ friends from finding their special talents and basically doom Equestria? Just. Say. Sorry. I can’t stand how she can just get away with her actions with an apology. In my mind, she’s still manipulative and still her old self. This apologizing shit isn’t ok. She needs a more fitting punishment. Heck, if this would keep up if the show continued, I’d bet she would start to manipulate those around her again. It’s kinda why I like Sunset Shimmer more than Starlight. Sunset did some bad shit and got the consequences. She was forced to clean up the school and got shunned by her classmates. While she did save the Mane 6 in Rainbow Rocks like how Starlight saved everyone from Chrysalis, Sunset made more of an effort to better herself than Starlight could. Basically, Starlight’s still a sort of villain in my eyes. As Sunset’s the definition of a villain turned good.
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Not to mention every episode that dropped since and including"the cutie remark"(emotional outbursts and mood swings)seems to imply starlight have mental problems:"every little thing she does"(she's constantly use magic to solve her problems),"shadow play"(bad horn writing),"road to friendship"(uncaring of others),"the parent map"(she had a moody Goth phase in her teens),"horse shoe in"(she's talking to a PLANT!) She should be an Arkham inmate, Not a Student!
ZekotheZekrom That’s exactly what I’ve noticed of why her redemption was a terrible choice for the show. I think her redemption never worked for me because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way. Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable. Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions. Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids. Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP. Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers. I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions like you just stated...Dear God, The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't good to me. Starlight deserved punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology. So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
I actually like Starlight. I appreciate her development, and I feel like she’s one of the few interesting characters who actually got the screen time they deserved. People claim she’s a Mary Sue because she’s really talented at magic, but characters can be really good at something and not be a Mary Sue. Apple Jack and Rainbow Dash are both incredibly athletic and can usually master most physical activities very well, yet there are many things that they can’t do. Rarity is really good at Fashion- you get my point. Starlight is really naturally skilled in the magic department; however, there are many things she’s not good at, heck! It’s even a continuous character flaw of hers that she relies on magic too much. I will always like Starlight, and I’m sad she never got wings; if for no other reason to see the internet explode😂
In regards to No Second Prances, I always thought it was more Twilight just didn't like Trixie, not that she didn't forgive her or held a grudge. The phrase Forgiven but not Forgotten comes to mind. That or Twilight thought Trixie was up to something. Trixie didn't exactly help her case with that shit eating grin of hers. Plus I never truly believed that Trixie was truly corrupted in Magic Duel. With Rock Solid Friendship I could see Pinkie Pie getting so worked up in excitement and so focused on making sure Mauf finds a friend that she doesn't see the obvious. Not the first time thats happened For the season 6 premiere...well you'd have to be a little more specific on the common sense thing. As for Chrysalis usurping everyone else, well they are changlings. Just take the form of something other than what they normally look like and take everyone by surprise. Thay said you do make some good points about Mirror Magic. I like Starlight but even I rolled my eyes a bit while watching that. That said I don't think it be unnatural for Sunset to act that way I mean going back to Legends of Everfree she did wonder where that magic came from and probably pondered about it for awhile. Plus Starlight been shown to be someone who acts first at times moreso than Twilight who has a tendency to overthink things at least moreso than Starlight
I tried justifying those examples in Starlight's favor when I originally watched them, but in the end, each one had a crucial detail that made it hard for me to believe. (There were also other examples, but I got distracted while editing and forgot to add them). My problem with No Second Prances is that Trixie and Twilight left off on good terms and there hasn't been any contentment between them since. Magic Duel left me with no inclination that these two would continue to hold resentment for one another, unlike say... The Super Cider Squeezy 6000 which clearly showed that Applejack was not on good terms with Flim and Flam and if she met them again, which she did, it would not be a pleasant experience. Not to mention, Twilight is the most forgiving pony in the history of ever. When she came back to Canterlot High, she didn't immediately forget Sunset's actions either, but she was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and was actually more intimate with her than the other humane 6. Applying that logic to Sunset, whom last she saw was evil, but not to Trixie, who was simply under bad influence, is not consistent with her character. With Rock Solid Friendship, Pinkie has been known to be off her game when it comes to Maud, so I was very close to letting it slide, but then I remembered that, until that episode, she was the only pony who could easily read Maud's emotions and she's the expert on telling when another pony is happy. The episode specifically took those abilities away from her and gave them to Starlight. Starlight could understand Maud on an incredibly deep level that even Pinkie couldn't. And, here's the thing, this could've worked with another character... Big Mac. Big Mac, due to how he treated Applejack as a fillie, makes an effort to really listen to what people have to say. He and Maud could've bonded over family, over strength, and over simplicity. In the season 6 finale, I went into this in detail in my "My Little Pony Season 6 Rundown." In an environment without magic, it should not have been Starlight who naturally became a leader, because she was someone who heavily relied on magic. If anyone should've taken the lead, it should've been Trixie, who never had strong magic to begin with, or Thorax, whose magic still worked. Trixie especially, since she has been getting by in a magic filled world making others think she's performing magic. Now Thorax did momentarily take the lead, but he somehow got lost traveling around in the home he spent all of his life in. That's what I mean when I say the others lost common sense. And if the changelings could, at any moment, take over Equestria, why did they do it when they did? I'm not saying that it's not impossible that they could do what they did, but it's asking a lot to say EVERY powerful character in Equestria (save Discord) fell victim to the trap that Twilight originally saw through on her own before she even knew a changeling was a thing. The crew even captured Spike, essentially Twilight's butler, for some odd reason, but saw no reason to get Starlight, her prime student who is supposedly just as strong as her teacher?
Shady Doorags most forgiving pony you sure about that? When Sunset offered her hand she wasn’t able to give to her. Even she saw the friend Powers hit Sunset you know the same thing that happened to Luna. Yet she doesn’t seem to not trust Luna . As for Rock solid friendship we have seen Pinkie get so over excited she ruins . Considering that episode where she makes Fluttershy cry
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Hasbro writing Glim Glam into the main cast was just so They could tell more stories with the same few characters, which by the end of Friendship is Magic, ultimate Led to Stale interaction between Characters. Speaking of the stories and Villains, They took a hit with Glim Glam in the Mane 7 as well. The implications of Season 6-8's Redemptions were this... Any villain, no matter how nasty, Vile or cruel you are, can be forgiven. F**k Morals, it's just bad writing. The stories with the Mane 7 over the course of Season 6-8 also grew extremely dull because they have already been done in previous seasons with the same premise as the base. The songs took a hit with them too until Season 9's Finale, believe it or not. The songs until Season 9's finale just chalked up to, The Mane 6 are friends. Yeah, nice premise of your next few songs.
No Second Prances: Here's the about Sunset and Twilight, least how I see it; Sunset, when they first reunited in Rainbow Rocks showed no hostility towards Twilight, Trixie on the other hand showed up with that grin and acting smug and condescending. At the end of Magic duel I felt it was more like Twilight was forgiving her just for her actions when she was "corrupted" (I say it like that because I'm fairly certain that Trixie would've done all that anyway regardless if she was supposedly corrupted or not). It seemed like Twilight tolerated her more than anything. Rock Solid Friendship: I may have to rewatch episodes featuring Maud and Pinkie but didn't Pinkie's friends needed to just flat out tell her that they and Maud weren't getting along well? Plus I think anyone could besides Pinkie could tell that Pinkie wasn't helping the situation. Big Mac's an interesting choice I will say that. I heard someone else mention Zecora in that regards. Season 6 Finale: when I get time ill check out that video maybe leave a comment. The changlings could have taken the form of random people they dont really know or inanimate objects though I'll admit thats a bit of a stretch. Ill give you spike and thorax though Trixies a bit of a stretch. Remember shes scared and in a place where she thinks everyone besides the people shes with wants to eat her or something. Starlight I think works because while she does rely heavily on magic shes also manipulative and has some level of confidence and leadership skills. She did lead and provide for a town for an unknown amount of time. Edit: Sorry I meant this as a response for the previous comment.
Starlight is my favourite character from the show, and where many people say she ruined it, for me she saved it. No, I won't argue against the points made in this video because they're right. But the truth is.. I don't really care. I'm not actually a big fan of MLP. I like the animation and I like the light tone, but I couldn't care less about anyone from the Mane 6 except Twilight. I've always thought that they had way overtuned and oversimplified character archetypes and that makes them unrelatable for me. There's nobody as melodramatic as Rarity, or as playful as Pinkie, or as darn egocentric as Dash, jesus I can't stand Dash. By season four, I started watching only the plot episodes since those were the only ones even mildly interesting to me. And when Starlight was introduced, I was interested in her character. Sure, her backstory and redemption arcs were laughable, but when the character was set in motion I couldn't help but like it: a pony very talented in magic but very bad at friendship, who fears that others will judge her due to her past as a villain and who doesn't want to be a disappointment. She's randomly super-passionate about kites, she makes snarky, sarcastic comments, she often suffers anxiety. Her personality, her quirks and her fears seemed far more relatable and reasonable than any of the other main characters, and I liked it. Did she upstage the other characters in multiple occasions? Well, I wouldn't be able to tell since I never cared about the other characters in the first place (although even I saw that the arc with queen Chrysallis was nonsensical). In the end, I ended up watching the episodes starring her as a main focus, and I enjoyed them much more than I thought I could enjoy anything from this show. So, she may suck for long and good fans of the show, but at least she was a great addition for me.
ThiroSmash I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way. Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable. Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions. Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids. Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP. Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers. I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God. The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology. So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi I won't defend canon all the way since there are still holes I dislike, but I'll argue some of your points: Starlight wasn't defeated by Twilight to learn the wrongfulness of her views, she was _convinced_ by her. She made the choice of letting go of her plans willingly. Compare that to Discord for example, who was defeated by the mane 6 and later confronted with the options of either embracing friendship or being petrified for the next milenia. Starlight wasn't punished because _she was already embracing friendship._ The thing with MLP is that it doesn't use punishment for discipline or redemption. Tirek, Cozy, Sombra and Chrysalis all were oppressed because they were a threat, not to learn that they're wrong. Luna, Trixie, Discord and Starlight weren't punished because they weren't a threat after being defeated. If anything Starlight is the most justified to get away scot-free because she stopped herself. There is no way of coming back from defying Equestria's humanity? Then how about threatening to bring perpetual darkness or wreak havoc by dissorting reality itself? At least Starlight thought her cause was noble, unlike mister and miss "I'm upset so I'm gonna destroy the world for my own amusement". And you bet Chrysalis would have gotten the same treatment, had she accepted Starlight's hoof. You know, after imprisoning the entirety of Equestria in cocoons to feed her children. I'll agree that the case of Trixie's cart was quite the dick move, but she at least helped to get it back. The case of her village definitely needed more screentime, though, I'll give you that. And about the time-travel part... Did I mention that she stopped herself when she realised her own madness? Just think for a bit: you say Starlight deserves a more fitting punishment, but... for what purpose? To learn that she was wrong? She already knows that, she was _convinced,_ not defeated. Becoming Twilight's pupil will teach her much more than any punishment at that point. Or perhaps it's a punishment "for justice"? That's merely wanting revenge. The only ponies who could be amused by Starlight receiving a punishment are the villagers of Our Town. Although again, I agree that they were far too quick to forgive her, that vindictive line of thinking is not right, especially not in this show.
@@ShinyKelp I think Starlight started off fine with her cunning, manipulative attitude playing well against Twilight in their struggle for power-up until the whole time travel arc In The Cutie Re-Mark Part 1&2...but after being offered unconditional friendship & forgiveness, following a really lame backstory to explain all her "villainy"... basically, it just being that she was salty that her childhood friend got his cutie mark first and moved away, just went way off the rails for Starlight's development. Her character now consisted of being some OP goodie-two-shoes who pretty much stole Twilight's role now as the "snarky nerd" of the group, having most of her past villainy being played off either as half-hearted jokes or just brushed off entirely without so much as a little comeuppance for said acts, save for some self-pity phases that pretty much do nothing but guilt-trip the audience into feeling sorry for her, and just the way she keeps hogging up the spotlight in stories that honestly don't really need her there, like seriously, wouldn't Twilight have suited her role in "A Royal Problem" much better? Not only due to her actually sharing a legit bond with bond princesses but for her own name meaning "a balance between night and day? just leaves me all the more disinterested in her character overall. I really wanted to like Starlight, really I did...but ultimately she just failed to appeal to me in the long run, I'm afraid As for Trixie, I absolutely hate her, and she gets super grating to me as the show progressed, I also find her to be pretty annoying. How can anyone like the character? She's always talking in third person and saying how "Great and Powerful" she is. She's also a cheater and a bragger! The Great and Powerful Trixie? Pfft. More like the Arrogant and Unbearable Trixie. It's already bad enough we had to have that egomaniac shoved down our throats, but once she came back and befriended Starlight, Trixie to me was the same old annoying pain in the ass who never seemed to learn her lesson. And hell, even with Starlight in question they just seem to keep bringing out the worst in each other the more they get any spotlight together...so like, WHY are they even friends, anyway? If I was Twilight, I wouldn't be able to tolerate an annoying smug-ass like Trixie myself.
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi Now that, I can understand. Although the holes in her past *could* be filled with somewhat reasonable events (those being Starlight progressively getting the idea that CMs are bad in her own little echo chamber), the canon itself does a poor job, if any, of showing or even hinting said events that led her to running an entire cult via peer pressure. As for her actual character, again, I see where you're coming from. She seemed to be shoehorned into the show, a pre-alicorn Twilight clone and stealing spotlight from other ponies, she's a creator's pet. But none of these issues come from her actual character, just from her context.They never really bothered me since, as I said, I wasn't too keen on the show in general to begin with. I agree with you about Trixie. She's awful and brings the worst from everyone around her including Starlight. The character was funny until it became someone I was supposed to care about.
ThiroSmash I'm not saying MLP Should be dark or grim, but One of the biggest problems with the 2017 movie is how thoroughly it pushes the idea that friendship can fix any problem, when in reality that's not how it works and that in many circumstances Friendship isn't the end-all solution to everything and every villain. So many and too many of the villains often get made sympathetic and are quick to be shoddily reformed with nary a second thought to give them consequences to their wrongdoings. I'm not saying sympathetic villains aren't good, they can be very good, but you have to know HOW TO MAKE THEM WORK! And Starlight's redemption never really worked for me for those reasons I just stated. Sure, she may sometimes improve a little more depending on who she's interacting with mostly Trixie, Spike and sometimes Sunburst but still, even that alone can't save her from being a badly-executed redeemed villain cliche that really overstayed her welcome in the MLP Show.
I find it interesting how people are getting after Starlight for overreacting, when these are likely the same people who fell completely apart over minor things themselves. For instance, One Coarse Meal. Let's take a look at what happened after they saw that. - Rants galore. - Insults to the writers. - Countless fan arts showing Mr. Krabs getting hurt (one even showing seagulls eating him up). - Too many people to count calling him an "evil criminal who drives people to suicide." - People giving up on the show altogether. All of this just because of ONE MEASLY EPISODE. *ONE. MEASLY.* *_EPISODE!_* So if you ask me, those people are really no better than Starlight.
@@animationrainritewolf8388 Tell me about it! Like, look at the hype for Frozen as well! People have been calling it "the best Disney film since The Lion King" or some gobbledygook like that! I mean, really?
+Shady Doorags btw I've seen the animatic for season 8, and it hints at the mane 6 becoming useless so starlight can save the day. They aren't even trying to hide starlights formulaic setup at this point.
12:55 - Well, I like Starlight, I'll explain why I think she is a positive impact on the show. Starlight is a good character because of her relationship with Twilight. She is able to provide an excellent challenge for Twilight as a student and their relationship pushes both of them to improve. Her personality is interesting and her psychotic breakdowns are believable based on her past. Starlight is a good character because she has a balance of flaws and strengths, Starlight is frequently shown to be overly reliant on her magic to solve problems or accomplish tasks, and has a tendency to not think her plans through. She is anxious about her time in OurTown and desperately avoids being manipulative and authoritative to her detriment. She is also confident and is able to do what needs to be done despite risks. Starlight is a good character because she builds her new life and accomplishes things on her own. She built believable and interesting friendships with Trixie and Maud. These points are all true throughout, No Second Prances, Every Little Thing She Does, All Bottled Up, A Royal Problem, Uncommon Bond and the rest of her major appearances. Mirror Magic sucks because of all the reasons listed. Equestria Girls always does this garbage.
MattyShore99 I honestly disagree. He’s not wrong on why the character is terrible, he’s spot on about it in fact. I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way. Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable. Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions. Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids. Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP. Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers. I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God. The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology. So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
You don't even like Mlp? That's disappointing. I really liked the first part but now that I know you have no passion for anything but fangirling over Sunset Shimmer I kind of feel fooled
I don't like the show as a whole, but there are things about it that I find enjoyable and even things that I'm passionate about,(both positively and negatively) which is why I started making MLP vids in the first place. For example, I can't get enough of the songs. I mainly watch MLP so that afterwards, I can better enjoy content made by bronies. It's more difficult to get into a Silver Quill, Firebrand or Mad Munchkin review if I haven't see the episodes they're talking about.
Potential? Absolutely. Every Little Thing She Does is proof of that. Are they using it? Nope. They don't build her up, they just make her into what she is.
I understand why many people dislike starlight very much. But... 1. It doesn’t make sense to dislike a character so similar to another one that most of you arguing starlight sucks, adore. 2. The reason most of you hate her is because of how easily forgiven she was. May i remind you, this is a world with unicorns, and magical creatures. And, starlight isn’t the only villain who was forgiven quite easily. discord was, even though the mane 6 were still not very trusting of him, for the lord of chaos, he was let off the hook quite easy. Another reason starlight was let off the hook pretty easy is because twilight saw how pathetic she was. (I love starlight, that wasn’t meant to be offensive) Her backstory was really pathetic and she was really emotional unstable. Twilight saw that, and i think that’s the reason she forgave her. ⚠️IN MY OPINION⚠️ honestly, i thought the show needed someone who was really good with magic but not perfect-petty princess type. Just a new main character.
catsarecool I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way. Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable. Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions. Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids. Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP. Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers. I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God. The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology. So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
Still starlight having done such stupid and bully sit things an decanter get some luxury instead a punishment definitely doesn’t work for me imo, and in s6 she hasn’t actually done anything liek what sunset did to redeem herself liek how most redemption arcs should be. Some of her episodes put her as a “side character” and she isn’t the one directly solving the problem that’s not how a redemption should be liek and her villain was completely annoying and memorable ina bad way
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi Your long explanation just to complai one character that didnt her own personality. We know that she lived wiht his father a whole life and that make her depress. Plus, sge didnt have any friend or someone to talk so she tried to find the truth. And you know why she just say sorry? Because of she didnt ever has friend since Sunburst. So why you said she was still bad? She has changed and try to be better. Maybe she has manipulated her own friend but she try to be better. And she do the hardwork to keep the peace in Eq. I feel so bad when you said like that. You know why, because her personality and backgroud just like me. Try to finding the truth and feel how be left by your own friend.
Just my opinion but like wouldn't it make sense that someone so caught in her own thoughts and almost mindless dedication to Princess Twilight, who spend much of their interactions undermining Starlight writing her off as just twilight's student would need someone new to help snap her out of her old way of thinking? I admit Starlight is powerful but people like Starswirl exist and what are the odds that after 1000 years there would be a unicorn with talent and explosive unpredictable power especially when she told Trixie that her powers were related to the intensity of her emotions and she spent her whole life not studying friendship or defending the world like Starswirl but instead studying these advanced spells as her cutie mark is literally to be a dominatingly powerful mage unicorn, I'm just saying that twilight has never been one to hone combat power and instead used diplomacy or relied on the crutch of the elements of harmony for a long time and the only time we see her particularly formidable in combat was when she was amped with the sister's power and cadence's and personally I thought it was much more believable when she fought the changling queen because starlight used tactics and her underhanded dodging and flanking methods are just not what twilight would do. And of course elements of the mane 6 and especially twilight would transfer over to starlight because she's literally her pupil and I could only imagine what kinds of things the raw power of starlight and her temper could do with the knowlege and experience of twilight to back it up and foster her to be the next princess of Equestria or at the very least advance the study of magic and friendship as headmare in a very starswirl manner. Oh and before I forget to all the people hiding behind the fact that twilight is an alicorn, therefore, she's just better than Starlight by default let's remember that completing one of Starswirl's spells is all she had to do to become one which not only has Starlight done, but also it was shown that she could read his writing so I'd argue that the logic that to become a princess you have to do some spectacular magic like cadence or twilight would mean that even the universe of mlp itself recognizes that Starlight is able to do what twilight can and it's not a significant feat for a unicorn of her level, let's recognize that she had access to some powerful abilities as a unicorn with a magic cutie mark who could also harness the powers associated with a weak moral character she was completely unrestricted in her experiments and tests of her power for her whole life all with the single minded goal of gaining control over others by any means. And to the point of twilight blocking her beam at the end of her special, i'd say that was more plot based in favour of twilight as earlier in the same special she effortlessly disabled twilight and she said herself that the stick didn't matter and it was all her power, but if I had to assign a reason in universe i'd say that she was getting rusty with her combat abilities because she was too busy running the town to study or practice and after she moved to the school she had ample time to hone her powers again. I'm only making one more point because I'm basically rambling on a 3 year old post but twilight is the element of magic in the sense that friendship is magic notice how no one ever called her the princess of magic it's because they'd never say that raw magic ability was the most important element of harmony and friendship so i'd argue that in keeping with what they always say and what's in the title being the element of magic says more about friendship than actual magic which I believe twilight learned for herself in her arc after arriving in ponyvile.
Then how did twilight almost effortlessly created a shield starlight blasted saying “I studied that spell for *years*” and then become a army tank a few months later that could go toe-to-toe with Twilight and force a stale mate?
@@seraphywang4638 You Starlight haters keep bringing up that whole ending of the Cutie Map. BLASTING A SHEILD IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM A BATTLE OF SOMEKIND. We know that Twilight isnt usually on offence when it comes to battle, but she is definitely a defensive type of pony because it clearly shows she has a specialty for Shield spells. Obviously she would put up a shield if Starlight shot at the ponies, but a putting up a shield and blasting it doesnt make anypony stronger than the other. And also, we saw other things in the premiere that Starlight could do, like shoot powerful beams, a shield spell that pushes others away, long-range telekinesis, and teleportation. This is for the people that think Starlight didnt do too much in the premiere and came back “Stronger” in the finale. Ill admit she did come back with more abilities but it was not that surprising considering what she did in her debut.
@@selena2805 But it took the combined forces of all four alicorns to be able to stand against all the magic in Equestria as shown in the Tirek fight? You cannot convince me that even if Twilight was a defensive type character she should be the one tired after creating what she specializes at. Stralight should be the first to be tired after all that but the episode treats it like a joke and makes it so the fight is a stalemate. This was clearly a contrivance to force a redemption because what other way would there besides brute would it take for Starlight to be stopped if Twilight can just blast her out of the sky? Starlight had to be that strong or else we can’t redeem Starlight and that’s the worst thing. She was only strong through plot armour.
@@seraphywang4638 Why would Starlight be the most exhausted? Twilight as shown in the fight had barely any knowledge of combat magic skills, But if Im going to be honest with you all you really need is lasers and a shield. But even with that, Twilight still couldnt win. Twilight doesnt study combat magic because shes all about speeches and friendship. So even if she fires laser, she misses, and those misses overtime decrease her “mana” or amount of magic she has, so she gets exhausted. Starlight only got exhausted probably to the fact that she was casting a levitation spell, cloud walking, while fighting, or just shooting lasers at shields she cant break. Also, for the whole season, Starlight could have been refurbishing her magical abilities to get back at Twilight, so her coming back even stronger is really no surprise. And if her talent is magic, is shouldnt be surprising on why she is so good at it.
@@seraphywang4638 You make a really good point with that, I also do feel like if Starlight wasnt so talented, Twilight couldve forced her to stop. But then again we know Twilight isnt so strong individually, its her friends that brings out the magic within her, as stated by her. Her cutie mark is not only magic, but her friends surround her main star. So thats probably why alone, Twilight doesnt do so well or win against another magically talented pony/creature. She didnt win against Tirek, they were bascially equal in power. But Star and Twi and equal in abilities, but Starlight probably knows more spells and abilities.
Ok No hate! Q: Stralight is powerfull A: she study magic when her frinds go soo she can make a revage Me: Not gonna lie i like a movie where the main is not the most powerfull! Soo i love starlight she my fav! But i have u guys don't mind... And guys we saying Starlight glimmer is powerfull then twilight when princess clestia actually is not as powerfull as both of them
Let’s go over these statements shall Twilight don’t forget forgiveness it’s because it was Trixie and thinking she going be a bad influence . Pinkie didn’t forget happiness she get over excited and end being worst of the situation. Which she acted the same way with Fluttershy. Discord and Trixie didn’t forget common sense the episode clearly show that Trixie and Discord don’t get along . Everyone somehow got captured because there was no elements of harmony remember in Canterlot wedding the main six were outnumbered, all Chy had was capture flurry and Candance would give up. So who would stop her exactly?
Depends on your definition of the word. While there are elements of the show I like, as a whole, I don't like the show MLP. I do, however, enjoy brony content and in order to enjoy it the most I need to watch the show. And while I watch it, I have some viewers who ask me to review it, thus I make videos like this one. So if you consider a brony as an adult who enjoys MLP, than no. But if you consider it an adult who explores MLP content, then yes.
Every character needs to do something good too. And its not the ponies fault to get captured or whatever it is. The important iss that starlight save them. And you know whos the problem? The editor because they make the characters capture and more. So i dont get why starlight sucks. Cant yall just understand she change and just want to be good?
Starlight has a bad time in the past and she maybe the most sad pony in MLP. She lost her friend, her mother and her dad keep her like a little kid. She just try to find the truth. Many people equate between Starlight and Sunset. Hey! Just realize that Sunset has a good teacher to take care of her but Starlight just has herself. Also Starlight always be lonely but what about Sunset? She can study calmly. So dont say someone bad if you dont know what is in their mind
@@Cyando yeah it looks like they just cant understand that starlight is now a hero just because of her past. I can say they dont forgive her because lf accusing. And i hate it. Thankfully, you understand
@@alexademielovato5616 ofc, I 'm undrstand about that because her backgroud and personality just like me. So I feel sensitive about that when many people say she is acting like she is innocent
I would say about half the fandom hates her, a third is okay with her being around to the point that they'll defend her, and the rest genuinely like her character.
@@ShadyDoorags Where's your evidence to say that 50% of the fandom hates her? You need to prove this because there's so much data that shows that it's only a vocal minority that hates her character. This 50% statement of hatred simply not true from a statistics standpoint. If it were that polarizing, then there would be globs of dislikes on UA-cam for episodes featuring her, or gobs of dislikes on people making a case for Starlight on UA-cam. There's a variety of empirical evidence from the MLP forums polls on episodes featuring Starlight, to polls on Starlight Glimmer, to the like/dislike ratio on Starlight videos, to indicate that the hatred is a vocal minority. Also correlates to a toxic minority, but that's a different discussion.
I began the statement with the phrase "I would say" implying that what I said was from Personal experience, not an objective study. Data isn't needed if I'm admitting that I'm going by anecdotal evidence. Of course, for most people, anecdotal evidence is not enough proof for anything, but I wasn't really trying to demonstrate anything objective. The point of my statement was that, from my observations, there is a good chunk of the fanbase who DOES like Starlight. Your data probably reinforces that point even if the details are different.
@@ShadyDoorags Well, not just a good chunk. It reinforces two points, among others: 1. Starlight Glimmer is not a polarizing figure in either the Analytical or Casual Fandom, because there isn't even close of an amount of hate for her to qualify as 'polarizing'. 2. Most people either like, love, or don't care about her, and as the seasons went on she became more liked and loved. This isn't to say that you should switch your viewpoint due to popularity, Starlight has enough negatives that would tick off people. It's just to give you more big-picture information. So, from my observation based on polls and forum discussion, here's what I looked at: 1. www.equestriadaily.com/2016/11/poll-results-what-do-you-think-of.html This poll was done following the end of Season 6. This was probably where there was most outcry against Starlight Glimmer. It's a vocal minority even then, though. Because based on the EQ poll with 6800+ votes, only close to 14% of the pollers disliked her. More than half of the people who disliked her actually didn't mind seeing more of her in future seasons, indicating hope in her character. So, really only 6% flat out wanted her out of the show. By this point, almost half of the pollers at least liked her and wanted more of her in the show. About 30% were neutral on her. So the hatred for Starlight was completely overblown even at the end of season 6. 2. mlpforums.com/topic/171981-poll-what-do-you-think-of-starlight-glimmer-after-season-7/ Now I couldn't find an EQ poll regarding the fandoms opinion on Starlight Glimmer following season 7. I think because Season 7 was a major improvement in the character development of Starlight, and the results from the post-Season 6 poll only showed a minority of hatred for her. Instead, I looked at an mlpforums poll. While it lacks the quantity of numbers, it adds in qualitative information regarding what people liked and disliked about Starlight at the end of Season 7. There's quite a few great objective posts in that thread too. The poll results are surprising, even for only 57 participants. Most striking was that were no people neutral on Starlight. This indicates that enough characterization has occurred for most people to form an opinion her. And that opinion was quite positive. 3. Now I recall there being a claim that the reason why there aren't more Starlight haters in the polls is that they left the fandom. Well if that were true, then Starlight Glimmer should be at least somewhere near the top 10 most hated MLP characters. So I did a quick google search and here's the results from thetoptens.com. The comments reflect a much more... casual fanbase to put it politely. www.thetoptens.com/hated-my-little-pony-characters/ Starlight Glimmer is ranked #34 on this list with 0.3% of the vote. Yeah, that argument has a tough hill to climb to explain that. Heck, Princess Luna got more votes than Starlight, with 0.5%. Everyone of the mane 6 and spike garnered more hatred votes than Starlight. One could argue that perhaps most people voted prior to Season 5-6, but that's contradicted due to Cozy Glow being ranked #6. Anyways, I hope that wasn't too long of a post. But data usually takes a lot of space and analyzing.
I’m pretty sure most of the fandom likes her just a good percentage don’t ,honestly I don’t like or care bout her so I Guess I am on the hating side .Pretty much the only thing I found interesting was her relationship with sunburst but that wasn’t shown too much .ik y some ppl liked her I do but too me she just isn’t as good as sunset is , and also she started the trend of mlp villains getting a “sob story” cuz after starlight we got Stygian tempest and wallflower ,all who have a similar back story to starlight . That’s also the reason why I didn’t enjoy season 7 and the mlp movie cuz the villains Stygian and tempest didn’t really have good characterisation imo so when looking at the show and movies as a whole , starlight just sparked the “not so great age of mlp villains” so some ppl do bear this grudge
"Twilight forgets how to forgive so Starlight can do it." "Pinkie forgets how to spot happiness so Starlight can do it." "Everyone forgets how to use common sense so Starlight can lead." "Everyone gets captured . . . somehow . . . so Starlight can save the day." No, no, no, no, no. Did you not pay attention to any of those episodes? And what do you mean story elements such as lore or continuity are changed to make Starlight fit? That's not true. I've never seen that. And the show ahs maintained its characters, continuity, and consistency despite Starlight beng added to the cast. And what do you mean Starlight upstages everypony else? Again, I've never seen any evidence of that. Could you please provide some examples as to what you're talking about? Otherwise, it comes across as you just making up bullshit to support your biased claims.
Ahahahahahahahahahahhaahhhaaaaaa! Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. God you guys are all the same
it's 2018 and people are still (irrationally) hating on Starlight Glimmer, a rather innocuous television personality, for practically something that is tantamount to shutting down the Internet for a year*. this is made worse by the fact that these very people also happen to (blindly) venerate Sunset Shimmer for any reason, including no reason at all.*any--and all--alterations she, and Princess Twilight, made to the Equestrian timeline were nullified in the end of their struggle between each other; there is no lingering effect from that in the slightest.
These kinds of statements work both ways. "It's 2018 and people are still (irrationally) defending Starlight Glimmer." Not a very good argument. Also, shutting down the internet for a year would have massive repercussions to the the western world as we use it for way more than just video games and cat videos. This is a very big strawman. I listed several reasons in this video on why Starlight is a problem to the entire show and none of them had to do with how bad her actions were or what effect they had to the world. Even in my "Why Starlight Should've Been Punished" video, I don't mention the severity of her actions because the complaints have nothing to do with that. They all have to do with how her character is being treated by the writers, which is that the plot works in her favor to arbitrarily make her appear special.
You know what I don't like your video I like Starlight glimmer and one she does not suck all the haters who hate Starlight glimmer shut up there is a lot of people who love her as well and I love her she is my favorite Pony and in my opinion one of the best
Imama Rahman you know what you a whole I am a big Starlight glimmer fan and you know what like I said you can say whatever the hell you want you call yourself a brony you don't act like one no matter what I'm going to be a fan of this show forever and ever
For the record, this video was made when I was in the middle of season 7. If anything after happened that might change my mind or contradict the video, that's why.
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Honestly I have nothing against Starlight Glimmer as a character, as much as y'all hate her, there are a lot worse characters out there. Does she still mess up, even in season 7? Yeah, still some mess ups along the way and it is kinda stupid that it happens, but instead of fixating on that shit, I focus on the rest of the show and enjoy what goes on, you may hate Starlight and that's alright, I think she's alright and really not worth no longer watching the show, I still watch the show and thus far still enjoying it.
@@stuartvandermerwe8548 the case involving Starlight's forgiveness was out of the norm, as every villain was punished, which does not always need to be between arrest, torture or death.
Sunset is always compared because similar situations are a matter of remorse after the fact, but the difference is that Sunset was "punished" by the students with suspicion and had to recover with their brave effort. Starlight has been pardoned by her village in a musical frame and must constantly keep reminding the public that she feels guilty otherwise it would not be apparent since nobody acts suspiciously close to her.
in case of guilt, for example Luna she created an entity to torture herself to not forget the bad that caused, but this is an exaggeration since we have seen that everything Nightmare moon did was 5 minutes of fight before being banned. The worst thing she did was to attack Celestia and no one else.
Starlight almost destroyed the lives of everyone in Equestria and is legitimately rewarded with confidence even after brainwashing Mane 6
if Discord had done it he would be turned into stone after all settled.
if she were treated with suspicion by at least her village, or could not walk alone to earn the right, or even do community work or a job under watch would be a good "punishment"
but not what happened was the same as a child kicking a ball in the room to break the TV, pot, bookshelf and pictures and the parents to enroll in a football program because the kick was so good that it needs to be shared by the world.
"I don't like MLP, I only watch it to stay relevant."
You like krabby patties, don't you, Squidward?
My hate for her cemented when i heard about how spike was intentionally written out of an episode JUST to feature Starlight...
Oh wow, I did not know that. Do you happen to know which episode this was?
Yeah, what episode was that.
I assume Fame and Misfortune. I didn't know about this but it felt like she took Spikes role that episode.
@Mikey StarChild
it's just like with the HuMane Five, who're demoted to extra status whenever Sunset is on screen
Luis Chavez At least Sunset is entertaining.
Unlike her Sunset had consequences from the first movie. Everyone was shunning her in the second movie, but Starlight's incident was isolated, therefore not public. It was Twilight's responsibility to punish her, but she screwed that up. All that's left now is to hope for actual consequences or she gets sent away.
@Mr. Shepherd
Sunset was not punished for any of her crimes during her stay in the human realm. being ostracized was only the result of her being a domineering monster. but it should not be mistaken for a punishment as she was not sentenced to make amends or pay off her debts (not neccessarily in the monetary sense) with those she wronged.
@@luischavez2899 She was forced to repair the school and forced to earn the trust of the others. Did you even watch the special?
Watch Celestial Guidance, the show isn't getting rid of her anytime soon.
I've been saying that since day 1!
I’ll never understand why some bronies found Starlight a “good, relatable, and misunderstood” character who’s just misguided. It’s not that I’m against characters who are flawed, my real concern is how they gonna portrayed them and execute their developments. The reason why I can’t take Starlight’s character seriously because not only she has a very pathetic reason to destroy Cutie Marks and her redemption is poorly done, she “supposed” to be a better pony while trying to learn from her horrible mistakes but in reality, she hasn’t and didn’t face any of the consequences.
Fire Master Those issues of yours are exactly how I felt about Starlight, The episode “every little thing she does” was A good example of why She’s the most poorly written character in MLP for these reasons:
In The episode "Every Little Thing She Does" When Starlight becomes overwhelmed with so many Friendship tasks to fulfill, she resorts to using a brainwashing spell over the other Mane 5 to get the job done quicker. It was a terrible episode and I can't agree Starlight being a good character.
While I get that it'd be a bit hard for a reformed villain to get completely used to the life of good, so few slip-ups now and then are to be expected, the way that Starlight was literally brainwashing Twilight's own friends just to sneak out of some bonding activities made her look both hella lazy and super sketchy for someone who's supposed to be "redeemed".
Not to mention the way Twilight just didn't seem to give a crap that her own friends got mentally hurt like this and let Starlight go Scott-free just pissed me off too much.
And it's especially damning when you consider what happened back in "What About Discord?" where Twilight was SO quick to think Discord was up to some dire brainwashing plot after he and the other Mane 5 simply had a good time hanging out together without her yet when Starlight here actually DID commit literal brainwashing against Twilight's friends she just brushes it off like it was no big deal and even laughs at the thought of her friends getting hangovers from the incident...and It was terrible characterization for Twilight to just brush it off.
In my opinion, Starlight Glimmer could've been a good counterpoint to Twilight in terms of ideals As A Villain. I did love the idea Of Two mares with opposing views on leadership and friendship would've been an interesting concept for the series but her terrible redemption ruined it.
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
Dude I was able to predict how mirror magic was going to play out the moment I saw starlight was going to be in it
Imagine this from a random person:
`` O MY OC IS A UNICORN WHO'S STRONG ENOUGH TO ENSLAVE AN ENTIRE VILLAGE, AND DEN GO BACK IN TIME EVEN THOUGH IN SEASON ONE TWILIGHT COULDN'T DO THAT ONLY FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF SECONDS! ``
`` AND DEN MY OC BECUMZ REFORMD AND BECOMES TWILIGHT'S STOODENT AND DEN BE STRONGA THAN HER IN GENEROL ``
`` AND DEN MY OC HELPZ REFORM DA CHAENGLINS WITH LUV OMG AND DEN TRYING TO REFORM CHRYSALIS BUT FAILD AND DEN BEFRIENDS HER WHOLE VILLAG AND YE ``
`` AND DEN I HELPED TWILITT FREE STIGYAN FROM DA DARKNEZZ AFTER MAKEIN TWILIT FEEL BAD FOR FREEIN STAR SWIRL FROM DA LIMBO BECAUSE THEY WOLD OF BEN SENT DERE IF STAR SWIRL WAS DERE WHEN DEY WERE IS VILLIAN ``
`` AND DEN BECOMES A HOOMON AND DEN HELPZ A RANDOM PERZON FIX THEIR EVIL WEIZ ``
She's ruined the show in general.
JessicaPlayZ Well the show is still enjoyable but Starlight acts like a merry sue. I still don't why she have plenty of fans, it's mind boggling how people go all over for here, Hell even Ember was right that Starlight and Twilight are the same!
Exactly!
TVnGames Brandon Lmao, she is the "Drama councilor" for twilight new school.
AND THEN ALSO BANISH THE BODY OF THE LORD OF CHAOS HIMSEL.
Starlight is the backbone of Equestria. Without her Chrysallis will never be defeated and Equestria will ruin. She also one of the most important pony at School of Friendship.
I don’t think I’ll ever love this character, I was really disappointed when she was brought in the show as a ‘seventh character’.
Starlight is the strongest unicorn. Maybe better than Starswirl. She use Starswirl magic more efficently than himself. She create various new spell and most important thing, she didnt attend to Celestia Magic School!!! It mean she didnt need any great school to be better. Maybe she can be an Alicorn if she didnt has any childhood problems. Dont judge someone from their past.
@arianna That's a problem when she was a villain. Lucky, she have a weak mentality so it's not so hard to tame her
@arianna don’t even bother trying to reason with this one. He or she will just keep on defending Starlight no matter how many times you him or her that Starlight’s character has so many issues.
I was so disappointed when they suddenly shoved starlight into our faces, i started rewatching mlp for nostalgia, i loved the mane 6 but i started getting bored when startligbt and trixie duo started coming in, plus trixie is so i mean SO annoying and a narcissist. The new characters i mean only the two of them, are unlikable (so far) I'm only at season 7 ep 1
@arianna1906 How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
The writers are willing to break the rules and continuity ONLY for Starlight so she can be "special". How can a unicorn be more powerful than alicorns when they're supposed to be powerful than other ponies!? Hell, Twilight used to be a unicorn until the season 3 finale. Basically, Starlight is a bland, OP Twilight copycat.
You don't have to worry about any contradictions because Starlight still hasn't changed and the show's almost over.
Hell, this was actually called out in Triple Threat.
Show is over now. Has been for a bit. Her Twilight cloneness got so bad that she literally gets Twilight's old life in ponyville
Starlight is Twilight student so thats why she is everywhere when Twilight there.
@@Cyando but in most episodes in season 6-9 whenever we see twilight on screen starlight is nowhere to be seen. Also during when twilight was celestia’s pupil, twilight and celestia were in separate places. Twilight moved from Canterlot to Ponyville while Celestia was still in Canterlot doing her royal duties.
@@samsea0489 Yep but Celestia and Twilight at the different place but Twilight and Starlight at the same place. It was a different situations
Honestly by Season 8 I've stopped watching the show regularly, and Starlight is part of the reason why. What annoys me the most is her constant Creator's Pet status in how so many episodes just focus on showcasing how awesome she is or shoving her in everything. It's gotten to repetitive. She's constantly stealing roles other character's could've fit in simply so they writers can make her look better than them. Every time there's an arc or main conflict expect her and ONLY her to resolve it (Seasons 6 & 7, both 2 parters weather it'd be openings or finales have had Starlight resolve the conflict, while the Mane Six are useless The same happens AGAIN with the Season 8 opener where she has to be the open who reminds Twilight, while Twilight and the mane six have been hit with idiot balls), while the other Mane characters are dumbed down to Idiot Ball status just for her. She's even added in plots where she isn't needed. It's also weird despite "having to learn the ropes" she instantly knows how to solve the conflicts of other characters.
The show has a problem with having characters throw away their continuity for the sake of Starlight being special. It's a bad habit and it should stop. For instance, in "Rock Solid Friendship", Pinkie all of a sudden doesn't know that you shouldn't compromise the happiness of others based on your own desires so Starlight can teach her. All of a sudden, in "No Second Prances", Twilight forgot what forgiveness is so Starlight can teach her. All of a sudden, in "To Where and Back Again", almost literally everypony gets captured somehow so Starlight can save the day. Those were just a few examples of the show doing this. Completely throwing away other characters' continuity in favour of building up Starlight is a bad thing to do. It ruins the other characters and makes the character that was built up unlikable. She's basically taking over everybody's roles.
Not only that, but she's a very bland character. Many people like to point out how she's a Sunset Shimmer expy, and while that's true she's slowly becoming the new Pre-Alicorn Twilight. Starlight can also be considered a substitute for the original Unicorn Twilight from Seasons 1-3. The similar name, similar design, the Super OCD tendencies in her personality, the lack of social background and naivete, and the immense magical potential and ability that leads to her becoming being taken in as a student in the study of Friendship by an Alicorn Princess, just like Twilight originally was. She even sounds similar to Twilight in her voice post Heel-Face Turn. Which leads into how she's become bland and uninteresting, considering she's just a more uninteresting Twilight now.
This is even lampshaded in a few instances. Trixie outright calls Starlight "Mini Twilight" at one point (technically she is indeed slightly shorter than Twilight), Ember points out that Twilight and Starlight act and look very similar and in the Season 7 premiere, Twilight straight up tells Celestia, quote "After all, you were me, and I was Starlight." This is then taken Up to Eleven when Ember cannot tell the difference between her and Twilight since they are so alike, stating they are purple ponies with purple hair, have similar cutie marks and similar names. While the show continues to add some gems of episodes in its name, it doesn't have the magic it use to imo. Not just because of Starlight, but the show itself. And let me say there's nothing wrong with the fact Starlight is a main character, it's how much she's either taking away from other characters or how things seem to be rewritten just to ride in her favor. It's like they're trying to recreate another Twilight again.
I can't even watch the show anymore. It's dead. I don't know why they shove Starlight in our face so much, I can't stand her. She had so much potential to be a great character.
That's a perfect comment right there.
I ALMOST stopped watching after the season 7 finale. God I hated that. But the Young 6 of season 8 saved it. I WOULD have stopped watching season 9, but you know, final season
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
@@RaspberryStudios How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
I love this, Soo many people seem to be blinded by starlight and bringing up bullshit reasons for her being a "good character". I could spend an hour telling them off but they seem to show a stubborn unwillingness to see reason.
AmazinglyIdiotic Trust me, A lot of starlight fans are too stock up in her. I really don't see why she is a "Amazing character." She is ok... I guess.
@Sailor Sedna
ditto for Sunset Shimmer fans.
@@luischavez2899 shut up Starlight's asslicker and just admit that she's a creator's pet
You trying to change other people's minds is just as annoying as them trying to change yours. Just let there be peace and opinions. Not just "one person" is correct. It's just as annoying for Starlight fans being hated as it is the other way around. It's a MLP show, it's not this big of a deal.
Starlight has a bad time in the past. So thats why her personality so annoying for some people. But she try to change and become better.
Honestly, as someone who loves Starlight, I have to say your points make a lot of sense. I do notice that the writers try to force her into the spotlight, and the writing in Special Mirror Magic irritated me in general. And keep in mind, you have every right to keep your current opinions, and they are very valid! But here’s my personal take on Starlight:
The reason why I’ve grown to love Starlight is because firstly, I personally think she’s proven herself to be redeemed in the season 6 finale, even if she’s written to hog the stage. Like, yeah, her backstory is the worst and what she’s done is deplorable, and I DO think she should’ve been punished BEFORE shes redeemed, but I decided to give her a chance at that moment (not spoiling in case you haven’t watched it!)
Secondly, I’ve noticed that she didn’t completely change, but eventually acknowledges that and tries her best to improve, even sometimes fearing that she might revert back to her old ways. It’s not for EVERYTHING she’s done, but she’s tried to improve when she IS aware. I personally relate to that; I was a horrible person when I was younger, and nowadays I was told I’m a lot different, but I fear that I might go back to being the old me, like, what if I’m still a jerk/bully? What if people don’t accept that I’ve changed? Will I be able to live a normal life one day, because I’ve changed? I get anxious and think about these questions a lot, and I was relieved to see a character who goes through a similar thought process. Heck, I might have a lot of things I wasn’t aware of but NEED to face! Sure, there are other shows with characters like that, but I didn’t really expect a show like MLP to do that. Plus, it’s my comfort show.
But, unlike Starlight, I actually got punished for my actions. I was bullied back; beat into a pulp because some people didn’t like my drawings.
I was told by my new friends and therapists that even if I was horrible, there could’ve been a better way for me to learn to become a better person. As in, no one should be punished in order for them to change (aka positive reinforcement.)
I’ve decided to take their word and that was when I watched MLP (or rather, rewatched and then finished haha). I decided to not forgive Starlight at first, but I also thought that if there was a way to become better without punishment, then alright. Now, I look back and think that she should’ve been punished, because she led to the near-end of the universe. But once her punishment is finished, if she is still willing to learn to be better, then why not let the princess of friendship teach her? Plus, what she’s done against Twilight is completely unrealistic. The first part of Starlight’s villainy, yeah it’s realistic, but nowhere near the level of real life examples. If the show wrote about a fascist serial killer and tried to redeem them instead, then it would be a different story.
I could go on and on about her as a character, both the good and bad, but yeah. That’s my take. Still, your video is wonderful, and it definitely got me thinking!
I have a similar take
I hate her backstory like you started a colt because one friend left for school and never called back ok see what I would do is simple say all of her friends did the same thing starlight glimmer had lots of friends but everytime they get there cutie mark's they leave home. that would make her believe that cutie mark's taking away friends valide because it happened to her over and over again.
Even though it's been 3 Years since Shady Doorag's rants about Starlight Glimmer were released, I still agree with them to this day, and here are the main problems I had with Starlight's redemption:
One of the problems I had with Starlight Glimmer's terrible redemption is that she never actually bothers to be better and face any actual consequences for her actions.
The Mane 6 and everyone else was so weirdly chill around her despite the terrible brainwashing and slavery she committed to them, which I find to be very alarming, especially when compared to how in The Equestria Girls movie everyone was still rightfully angry at Sunset for how she turned into a tyrannical she-demon.
Sometimes Starlight does admit that she made a mistake, but that just doesn’t seem enough to me because everyone around her is in such a hurry to forgive her and tell her “It’s okay Starly, you’re trying your best.” and that’s what annoys me the most about her.
Starlight received no consequences whatsoever for indoctrinating ponies and messing with the very fabric of time out of petty revenge and because of a pathetically childish motivation of her friend moving away when she was little (compared to Apple Bloom who actually handled losing her friend Twist like an adult and sought out new ones), instead of having forgiveness handed to her on a silver platter by the same ponies she wronged without doing anything to earn it.
What's even more frustrating is how she gets off scot-free or gets rewarded every single time either because "she meant well", she gave a feeble apology, there was conveniently a way to undo the damage she did or it only worked out in the end out of pure luck.
So Despite all these terrible and reckless decisions, she got given a massive amount of status and privilege, became allowed to stay in a member of royalty's home as their student, and even become a guidance counselor at their school, along with the writers passing off these awful actions as cute personality quirks.
To Me, Starlight DESERVED to face the consequences for her actions and she NEEDED to be punished more because she didn’t face anything for what she has done as a villain, aka changing the damn history of Equestria!
As for Trixie, sigh...Even though she wasn't a full-on villain in the show, I still find her to be such an annoying character. To me, Trixie is nothing but An Egocentric, Narcissistic Brat with severe attention-grabbing issues.
The fact that Trixie views herself as "Great And Powerful" just makes her Delusional and Arrogant. I think those two traits would suit her more.
I mean, why would anyone want to be friends with that Brat? Her redemption didn't help because to me it was forced, and to me, her friendship with Starlight Glimmer, who was the worst reformed villain, was kind of a Toxic relationship in my eyes and didn't help improve her at all, it made her more annoying to me than anything.
The episode "All Bottled Up" was one of the reasons why I Hated Trixie. It doesn't make it any better to come back to it since it basically all but proves how much of a toxic dynamic Starlight and Trixie have grown to see in the show.
In this instance, it wasn't just because of Starlight in the episode, but Trixie herself for her overbearing smugness and insensitive ignorance to Starlight's growing frustration while they were trying to find the map.
I'll be honest, I may not care much for Starlight on her own and I consider her redemption arc to be written terribly but even I found her treatment in the episode to be terrible...And I was just sick of Trixie.
The Mane 6 didn't fare any better with them being derailed into cheesy clichés of themselves in some forgettable side plot about exploring some friendship adventure or whatever, so there's very little else for me to enjoy about this episode too give it much of a pass.
So to me, Her so-called "Friendship" with Starlight didn't help either because I found their relationship to be very toxic.
Tell me if I'm wrong!
You're not wrong. You're honestly 110% right!
THANK YOU i 100% agree with everything you said about starlight
I agree 100%. Starlight is the reason I quit the show
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
starlight glimmer is like the writers self insert character Mary sue Oc
shes so bland and up and useless and one million other things
I woild have liked better if starlight had a better backstory , did not get instant
y forgiven by the town, ans the mane 6 were still salty and about what she did (T_T)
at least that and then 🆕t make her a main cast member make her go off or make her a have a fight with two and she leaves
Not to mention we dialed back to our crimes a lot please please and we make sure she actually grows and changes and doesn't upstage
She's Voiced by a Animated Barbie VA...so Yeah
god, i would love to watch you criticize to where and back again. starlight has so much wangst about the ponies she brainwashed for years and said ponies accept her back like it was no biggie. just once i would like to see somebody actually dealing with the trauma of starlight ruling them and starlight having to own up to the fact that her actions hurt people big time, instead of her feeling shitty that ponies will hate her when THE PONIES SHE ABUSED DONT EVEN HATE HER AT ALL.
i think thats why discord and sunset work so much better. discord is still mistrusted after four seasons, and sunset needed a whole movie to earn people's trust. starlight gets forgiven in a single musical number.
In my video of "Why Starlight Should've Been Punished", I go into that subject, though I don't specifically talk about To Where And Back Again.
oh yeah, i think i watched that video before i actually caught up to finish s6. so i'll rewatch it :)
i'm just so pissed at how lazy the reformations have gotten that nobody has ANY ill will against her after her reformation.
@@MightyMewtron How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
Another good video. I too, don't really watch mlp for the show itself (at least like I used to, and especially now that Starlight is in it.) I hate how people try so desperately to defend her. I dislike Starlight for many reasons and the biggest reason is indeed the fact that the other characters are made useless, inconsistent, or the like just to make her look better. Like in a royal problem, in which the map called Starlight to fix the problem between the princesses, it calls Starlight, I was annoyed. It would have made better sense to call Twilight, because who knows Celestia and Luna like she does, who's the princess of friendship?! Not Starlight! Twilight even said there was nothing she could really do about it, which hit me on the head like a freight train. Don't get me started on no second prances. Twilight forgave and befriended the pony that literally enslaved ponies and nearly destroyed equestria through messing with time (even going so far as making her her student) but cannot forgive and befriend Trixie, who wasn't as awful?Didn't Boast Busters imply that Twilight was open minded to forgiving Trixie as long as she learned her lesson? Didn't the end of the Magic Duel imply that Trixie was forgiven and that there were no hard feelings? So it seems, the writers reason for changing that was to make it seem that Starlight was willing to be a better friend than Twilight, yikes.
I, too, had issues with A Royal Problem, despite it being a really good episode. Why is the map calling Starlight in the first place? Honestly, I'd be willing to accept that this was a problem only Starlight could solve, but the map is supposed to only call the counsel of friendship, which Starlight is not a part of. I guess we can just throw those rules out the window.
Yep, but did Twilight can change their cutie mark? Just follow the plot dude
Starlight also has a bad time in past. So she can get her peace after all
The reason why the map didn’t call Twilight was because she was going to be bias for Princess Celestia, which makes a lot of sense considering she’s her mentor and all. We needed a pony who doesn’t show any bias towards the Princesses, and has strong magical ability to solve the problem, like Starlight.
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
Sunset Shimmer and Swic-Twilight are the best characters of Equestria Girl's
So many things I loved hearing I thought I would never hear.
To put more onto what I said before, Sunset is sooo much better than Starlight! Let’s get this straight first, they both did something bad, they both were taken out by princess Mary Sue and friends, they both did hard cleanup to erase what they did and.....wait. SUNSET DID THAT!! She was ignored and tortured of her mistakes and worked up to be a better person/pony by showing how much she changed(not to mention rebuilt the school after EQG1)! What did Starlight have to do? ....nothing. Big, fat, fucking nothing. After Twilight changed her, she had no reprimand for her actions, no punishments, no anything! Just a fat sticker on her sorry ass saying "I’m the princess of friendship's new student so I get no punishments at all". This is why I hate her and I love Sunset. She worked hard to achieve her goal while Starlight sat in a crystal palace which she NOW LIVES MIND YOU with just an annoying, and horrible teacher. Not a good punishment and definitely not a good character.
The diffences between Sunset and Starlight is Starlight has a bad time in the past. She lost her friend, never saw her mother ,always lonely and her father just keep her like a little girl.
But Sunset, she has a good teacher who was cares about her and she never lonely. Starlight be a villain to find the truth. But Sunset? Haha, for the force huh?
So that's why you cant equate between Starlight and Sunset. They have a different personality, background and friend.
Many people hate Starlight just because Sunset better. You know it is necessary to Sunset to correct her mistake. But Starlight, we need to teach her and understand her emotion.
I still think that Starlight not a bad pony
I hope you read this
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
I have not seen Magic Mirror yet but Im sure I know why they paired Starlight and Sunset Glimmer up. It's cause they were bad girls who got redeemed by the mane six. I don't have Starlight but I'm not entirely a fan of hers. That season 5 ending song of her redemption was subpar
Yes, but rather than having Starlight and Sunset work together, as two individuals who went through similar circumstances, Sunset is casted into a pocket dimension while Starlight gets all the glory.
@@ShadyDoorags How do you think they could have done a better Sunset and Starlight team up if there had to be one at all?
im a fan of starlight myself but i do agree that she is overpowered and even poewerfull to banish Discord a shield that can explode powerfully i understand the reason and why and i agreed with it the creator should have focus more on character development than having starlight powerfull enough to change reality
yes i know im late i just want to put this on
I agree upstaging is one of the things I can't stand about her there's tons of things I can't stand about or upstaging is just 1 of them
I think what really sealed my dislike for this character was the moment she switched Celestias and Lunas cutie marks. She couldn't even defeat Twilight in her debut episodes yet all of the sudden she is more powerful than freaking Celestia, the god-version of the pony world?
Give me a break.
You know, I love Sunset Shimmer as a character because she had to earn the trust from the people she hurt. Although they accepted her thanks to Twilight in Rainbow Rocks, she was still not really invited in all group activities. They would always bring up her worst moment right in front of her and you can see how this hurts her. Yet she didn't let that interfere with the new path she chose to follow and in the end had to prove that she was reformed.
Her reformation seems so much more natural and every new steps or mistakes she makes (as seen in Friendship Games or Forgotten Friendship) give her the opportunity to learn more and become the person Celestia always wished for her to be.
@Wolpertinger A
really! wow, I never thought of it that way.
actually, none of what you just said is actually true. Sunset's reformation and transition from bad to good were forced and inorganic--basically being changed against her own will by a magical artifact.
also, none of her original personality remains; she's a different person from what she once was. she has none of the dynamics and depth that she is purported to have by her fanbase.
and since she turned a new leaf over, she has no flaws whatsoever. any little flaws she has are only temporal; they only serve to drive the story foward. seriously, she is proficient at everything she does, even if she had no prior knowledge and/or experience in that skill.
so thank you Wolpertinger for only proving why reformed Sunset Shimmer is the worst character in My Little Pony history and why I freaking loather her.
Wolpertinger I see what you’re saying, but the UA-camr isn’t wrong on why the character is terrible, he’s spot on about it in fact. I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned.
She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way.
Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable.
Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it.
It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions.
Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids.
Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP.
Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers.
I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God.
The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology.
So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
You know Starlight is the next Starswirl generation. She has a power that more powerful than Twilight even Starswirl have.
Example, she used Starswirl time spell more efficiency than himself and she create a various spell. She is genius, inovative and has a good thinking .And she is the only pony that can change other pony cutie mark.
And you want to know someting. She didnt attend to Celestia Magic School. It mean she didnt need to go to any great school to be better.
I know her attitude is bad but it is her real character. We know she just stay at her father house almost at all of her life. So she got depressed and will take a long time to be better. Thats why she is bad and look like annoying pony (for some Starlight haters).
So the moral is dont judge someone from their past :)
How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
I felts she was twilight 2.0, tbh I felt they added her just for competition between her and twilight like to star fanwars.
Almost a 2 year old video but I’d like to say something about Starlight
While I’m not that much of a hater of Starlight, I hate how she’s easily forgiven for her actions.
Sell your bestie’s cart? Just say sorry
Turn a village into a cult? Just say sorry
Stalk your nemesis until you go back in time to stop your nemesis’ friends from finding their special talents and basically doom Equestria? Just. Say. Sorry.
I can’t stand how she can just get away with her actions with an apology. In my mind, she’s still manipulative and still her old self. This apologizing shit isn’t ok. She needs a more fitting punishment. Heck, if this would keep up if the show continued, I’d bet she would start to manipulate those around her again.
It’s kinda why I like Sunset Shimmer more than Starlight. Sunset did some bad shit and got the consequences. She was forced to clean up the school and got shunned by her classmates. While she did save the Mane 6 in Rainbow Rocks like how Starlight saved everyone from Chrysalis, Sunset made more of an effort to better herself than Starlight could.
Basically, Starlight’s still a sort of villain in my eyes. As Sunset’s the definition of a villain turned good.
Not to mention every episode that dropped since and including"the cutie remark"(emotional outbursts and mood swings)seems to imply starlight have mental problems:"every little thing she does"(she's constantly use magic to solve her problems),"shadow play"(bad horn writing),"road to friendship"(uncaring of others),"the parent map"(she had a moody Goth phase in her teens),"horse shoe in"(she's talking to a PLANT!) She should be an Arkham inmate, Not a Student!
ZekotheZekrom That’s exactly what I’ve noticed of why her redemption was a terrible choice for the show. I think her redemption never worked for me because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way.
Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable.
Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions.
Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids.
Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP.
Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers.
I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions like you just stated...Dear God, The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't good to me.
Starlight deserved punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology.
So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
Just look by her past. She has a bad time. She can took that peace
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How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
I hate Starlight glimmer too. She still sucks.
I don't even like MLP but I'm still watching this
That's my response to all brony content.
I actually like Starlight. I appreciate her development, and I feel like she’s one of the few interesting characters who actually got the screen time they deserved. People claim she’s a Mary Sue because she’s really talented at magic, but characters can be really good at something and not be a Mary Sue. Apple Jack and Rainbow Dash are both incredibly athletic and can usually master most physical activities very well, yet there are many things that they can’t do. Rarity is really good at Fashion- you get my point. Starlight is really naturally skilled in the magic department; however, there are many things she’s not good at, heck! It’s even a continuous character flaw of hers that she relies on magic too much.
I will always like Starlight, and I’m sad she never got wings; if for no other reason to see the internet explode😂
Character continuity consistency
In regards to No Second Prances, I always thought it was more Twilight just didn't like Trixie, not that she didn't forgive her or held a grudge. The phrase Forgiven but not Forgotten comes to mind. That or Twilight thought Trixie was up to something. Trixie didn't exactly help her case with that shit eating grin of hers. Plus I never truly believed that Trixie was truly corrupted in Magic Duel.
With Rock Solid Friendship I could see Pinkie Pie getting so worked up in excitement and so focused on making sure Mauf finds a friend that she doesn't see the obvious. Not the first time thats happened
For the season 6 premiere...well you'd have to be a little more specific on the common sense thing. As for Chrysalis usurping everyone else, well they are changlings. Just take the form of something other than what they normally look like and take everyone by surprise.
Thay said you do make some good points about Mirror Magic. I like Starlight but even I rolled my eyes a bit while watching that. That said I don't think it be unnatural for Sunset to act that way I mean going back to Legends of Everfree she did wonder where that magic came from and probably pondered about it for awhile. Plus Starlight been shown to be someone who acts first at times moreso than Twilight who has a tendency to overthink things at least moreso than Starlight
I tried justifying those examples in Starlight's favor when I originally watched them, but in the end, each one had a crucial detail that made it hard for me to believe. (There were also other examples, but I got distracted while editing and forgot to add them).
My problem with No Second Prances is that Trixie and Twilight left off on good terms and there hasn't been any contentment between them since. Magic Duel left me with no inclination that these two would continue to hold resentment for one another, unlike say... The Super Cider Squeezy 6000 which clearly showed that Applejack was not on good terms with Flim and Flam and if she met them again, which she did, it would not be a pleasant experience. Not to mention, Twilight is the most forgiving pony in the history of ever. When she came back to Canterlot High, she didn't immediately forget Sunset's actions either, but she was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and was actually more intimate with her than the other humane 6. Applying that logic to Sunset, whom last she saw was evil, but not to Trixie, who was simply under bad influence, is not consistent with her character.
With Rock Solid Friendship, Pinkie has been known to be off her game when it comes to Maud, so I was very close to letting it slide, but then I remembered that, until that episode, she was the only pony who could easily read Maud's emotions and she's the expert on telling when another pony is happy. The episode specifically took those abilities away from her and gave them to Starlight. Starlight could understand Maud on an incredibly deep level that even Pinkie couldn't. And, here's the thing, this could've worked with another character... Big Mac. Big Mac, due to how he treated Applejack as a fillie, makes an effort to really listen to what people have to say. He and Maud could've bonded over family, over strength, and over simplicity.
In the season 6 finale, I went into this in detail in my "My Little Pony Season 6 Rundown." In an environment without magic, it should not have been Starlight who naturally became a leader, because she was someone who heavily relied on magic. If anyone should've taken the lead, it should've been Trixie, who never had strong magic to begin with, or Thorax, whose magic still worked. Trixie especially, since she has been getting by in a magic filled world making others think she's performing magic. Now Thorax did momentarily take the lead, but he somehow got lost traveling around in the home he spent all of his life in. That's what I mean when I say the others lost common sense.
And if the changelings could, at any moment, take over Equestria, why did they do it when they did? I'm not saying that it's not impossible that they could do what they did, but it's asking a lot to say EVERY powerful character in Equestria (save Discord) fell victim to the trap that Twilight originally saw through on her own before she even knew a changeling was a thing. The crew even captured Spike, essentially Twilight's butler, for some odd reason, but saw no reason to get Starlight, her prime student who is supposedly just as strong as her teacher?
Shady Doorags most forgiving pony you sure about that? When Sunset offered her hand she wasn’t able to give to her. Even she saw the friend Powers hit Sunset you know the same thing that happened to Luna. Yet she doesn’t seem to not trust Luna . As for Rock solid friendship we have seen Pinkie get so over excited she ruins . Considering that episode where she makes Fluttershy cry
@@ShadyDoorags How do you think Starlight could have been better if she had to be redeemed?
In my opinion, Sunset Shimmer would’ve been perfect as a G2 villain instead of a villain that’s an “Equestria Girls Exclusive”.
You want a hateable character there's Brian Griffin from modern Family Guy, Davey Stone from Eight Crazy Nights, Buck Cluck from Chicken Little, and Ran Hoek from Ren and Stumpy Adult Party Cartoon
Hasbro writing Glim Glam into the main cast was just so They could tell more stories with the same few characters, which by the end of Friendship is Magic, ultimate Led to Stale interaction between Characters. Speaking of the stories and Villains, They took a hit with Glim Glam in the Mane 7 as well. The implications of Season 6-8's Redemptions were this... Any villain, no matter how nasty, Vile or cruel you are, can be forgiven. F**k Morals, it's just bad writing. The stories with the Mane 7 over the course of Season 6-8 also grew extremely dull because they have already been done in previous seasons with the same premise as the base. The songs took a hit with them too until Season 9's Finale, believe it or not. The songs until Season 9's finale just chalked up to, The Mane 6 are friends. Yeah, nice premise of your next few songs.
Starlight is basically twilight 2.0 in mlp
in eg she sunset shimmer 2.0
No...
Interesting points.
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No Second Prances: Here's the about Sunset and Twilight, least how I see it; Sunset, when they first reunited in Rainbow Rocks showed no hostility towards Twilight, Trixie on the other hand showed up with that grin and acting smug and condescending. At the end of Magic duel I felt it was more like Twilight was forgiving her just for her actions when she was "corrupted" (I say it like that because I'm fairly certain that Trixie would've done all that anyway regardless if she was supposedly corrupted or not). It seemed like Twilight tolerated her more than anything.
Rock Solid Friendship: I may have to rewatch episodes featuring Maud and Pinkie but didn't Pinkie's friends needed to just flat out tell her that they and Maud weren't getting along well? Plus I think anyone could besides Pinkie could tell that Pinkie wasn't helping the situation. Big Mac's an interesting choice I will say that. I heard someone else mention Zecora in that regards.
Season 6 Finale: when I get time ill check out that video maybe leave a comment. The changlings could have taken the form of random people they dont really know or inanimate objects though I'll admit thats a bit of a stretch. Ill give you spike and thorax though Trixies a bit of a stretch. Remember shes scared and in a place where she thinks everyone besides the people shes with wants to eat her or something. Starlight I think works because while she does rely heavily on magic shes also manipulative and has some level of confidence and leadership skills. She did lead and provide for a town for an unknown amount of time.
Edit: Sorry I meant this as a response for the previous comment.
Talking about things he doesn’t like he knows how to get views on youtube
Make more Starlight videos! >:3
So… after 5 years, what do you think of Starlight now?
I still think she was a horrible addition to the show once she turned good, though keep in mind, I never watched past season 6.
@@ShadyDoorags I have. And honestly… she doesn’t get that much better.
@@ShadyDoorags Horrible take Shady🤦♂️
@@icedemon8419 She's still bad
@@DromusTH How?
Starlight is my favourite character from the show, and where many people say she ruined it, for me she saved it.
No, I won't argue against the points made in this video because they're right. But the truth is.. I don't really care.
I'm not actually a big fan of MLP. I like the animation and I like the light tone, but I couldn't care less about anyone from the Mane 6 except Twilight. I've always thought that they had way overtuned and oversimplified character archetypes and that makes them unrelatable for me. There's nobody as melodramatic as Rarity, or as playful as Pinkie, or as darn egocentric as Dash, jesus I can't stand Dash.
By season four, I started watching only the plot episodes since those were the only ones even mildly interesting to me.
And when Starlight was introduced, I was interested in her character. Sure, her backstory and redemption arcs were laughable, but when the character was set in motion I couldn't help but like it: a pony very talented in magic but very bad at friendship, who fears that others will judge her due to her past as a villain and who doesn't want to be a disappointment. She's randomly super-passionate about kites, she makes snarky, sarcastic comments, she often suffers anxiety. Her personality, her quirks and her fears seemed far more relatable and reasonable than any of the other main characters, and I liked it.
Did she upstage the other characters in multiple occasions? Well, I wouldn't be able to tell since I never cared about the other characters in the first place (although even I saw that the arc with queen Chrysallis was nonsensical). In the end, I ended up watching the episodes starring her as a main focus, and I enjoyed them much more than I thought I could enjoy anything from this show.
So, she may suck for long and good fans of the show, but at least she was a great addition for me.
ThiroSmash I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way.
Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable.
Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions.
Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids.
Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP.
Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers.
I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God.
The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology.
So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi I won't defend canon all the way since there are still holes I dislike, but I'll argue some of your points:
Starlight wasn't defeated by Twilight to learn the wrongfulness of her views, she was _convinced_ by her. She made the choice of letting go of her plans willingly. Compare that to Discord for example, who was defeated by the mane 6 and later confronted with the options of either embracing friendship or being petrified for the next milenia. Starlight wasn't punished because _she was already embracing friendship._
The thing with MLP is that it doesn't use punishment for discipline or redemption. Tirek, Cozy, Sombra and Chrysalis all were oppressed because they were a threat, not to learn that they're wrong. Luna, Trixie, Discord and Starlight weren't punished because they weren't a threat after being defeated. If anything Starlight is the most justified to get away scot-free because she stopped herself.
There is no way of coming back from defying Equestria's humanity? Then how about threatening to bring perpetual darkness or wreak havoc by dissorting reality itself? At least Starlight thought her cause was noble, unlike mister and miss "I'm upset so I'm gonna destroy the world for my own amusement". And you bet Chrysalis would have gotten the same treatment, had she accepted Starlight's hoof. You know, after imprisoning the entirety of Equestria in cocoons to feed her children.
I'll agree that the case of Trixie's cart was quite the dick move, but she at least helped to get it back. The case of her village definitely needed more screentime, though, I'll give you that. And about the time-travel part... Did I mention that she stopped herself when she realised her own madness?
Just think for a bit: you say Starlight deserves a more fitting punishment, but... for what purpose? To learn that she was wrong? She already knows that, she was _convinced,_ not defeated. Becoming Twilight's pupil will teach her much more than any punishment at that point. Or perhaps it's a punishment "for justice"? That's merely wanting revenge. The only ponies who could be amused by Starlight receiving a punishment are the villagers of Our Town. Although again, I agree that they were far too quick to forgive her, that vindictive line of thinking is not right, especially not in this show.
@@ShinyKelp I think Starlight started off fine with her cunning, manipulative attitude playing well against Twilight in their struggle for power-up until the whole time travel arc In The Cutie Re-Mark Part 1&2...but after being offered unconditional friendship & forgiveness, following a really lame backstory to explain all her "villainy"... basically, it just being that she was salty that her childhood friend got his cutie mark first and moved away, just went way off the rails for Starlight's development.
Her character now consisted of being some OP goodie-two-shoes who pretty much stole Twilight's role now as the "snarky nerd" of the group, having most of her past villainy being played off either as half-hearted jokes or just brushed off entirely without so much as a little comeuppance for said acts, save for some self-pity phases that pretty much do nothing but guilt-trip the audience into feeling sorry for her, and just the way she keeps hogging up the spotlight in stories that honestly don't really need her there, like seriously, wouldn't Twilight have suited her role in "A Royal Problem" much better?
Not only due to her actually sharing a legit bond with bond princesses but for her own name meaning "a balance between night and day? just leaves me all the more disinterested in her character overall. I really wanted to like Starlight, really I did...but ultimately she just failed to appeal to me in the long run, I'm afraid
As for Trixie, I absolutely hate her, and she gets super grating to me as the show progressed, I also find her to be pretty annoying. How can anyone like the character? She's always talking in third person and saying how "Great and Powerful" she is. She's also a cheater and a bragger! The Great and Powerful Trixie? Pfft. More like the Arrogant and Unbearable Trixie.
It's already bad enough we had to have that egomaniac shoved down our throats, but once she came back and befriended Starlight, Trixie to me was the same old annoying pain in the ass who never seemed to learn her lesson. And hell, even with Starlight in question they just seem to keep bringing out the worst in each other the more they get any spotlight together...so like, WHY are they even friends, anyway?
If I was Twilight, I wouldn't be able to tolerate an annoying smug-ass like Trixie myself.
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi Now that, I can understand. Although the holes in her past *could* be filled with somewhat reasonable events (those being Starlight progressively getting the idea that CMs are bad in her own little echo chamber), the canon itself does a poor job, if any, of showing or even hinting said events that led her to running an entire cult via peer pressure.
As for her actual character, again, I see where you're coming from. She seemed to be shoehorned into the show, a pre-alicorn Twilight clone and stealing spotlight from other ponies, she's a creator's pet. But none of these issues come from her actual character, just from her context.They never really bothered me since, as I said, I wasn't too keen on the show in general to begin with.
I agree with you about Trixie. She's awful and brings the worst from everyone around her including Starlight. The character was funny until it became someone I was supposed to care about.
ThiroSmash I'm not saying MLP Should be dark or grim, but One of the biggest problems with the 2017 movie is how thoroughly it pushes the idea that friendship can fix any problem, when in reality that's not how it works and that in many circumstances Friendship isn't the end-all solution to everything and every villain.
So many and too many of the villains often get made sympathetic and are quick to be shoddily reformed with nary a second thought to give them consequences to their wrongdoings.
I'm not saying sympathetic villains aren't good, they can be very good, but you have to know HOW TO MAKE THEM WORK! And Starlight's redemption never really worked for me for those reasons I just stated.
Sure, she may sometimes improve a little more depending on who she's interacting with mostly Trixie, Spike and sometimes Sunburst but still, even that alone can't save her from being a badly-executed redeemed villain cliche that really overstayed her welcome in the MLP Show.
I find it interesting how people are getting after Starlight for overreacting, when these are likely the same people who fell completely apart over minor things themselves. For instance, One Coarse Meal. Let's take a look at what happened after they saw that.
- Rants galore.
- Insults to the writers.
- Countless fan arts showing Mr. Krabs getting hurt (one even showing seagulls eating him up).
- Too many people to count calling him an "evil criminal who drives people to suicide."
- People giving up on the show altogether.
All of this just because of ONE MEASLY EPISODE. *ONE. MEASLY.* *_EPISODE!_*
So if you ask me, those people are really no better than Starlight.
@@animationrainritewolf8388 Tell me about it! Like, look at the hype for Frozen as well! People have been calling it "the best Disney film since The Lion King" or some gobbledygook like that! I mean, really?
never clicked on a video faster before
I have finally gotten one of these comments. Truly, I have reached the height of being a youtuber.
+Shady Doorags btw I've seen the animatic for season 8, and it hints at the mane 6 becoming useless so starlight can save the day. They aren't even trying to hide starlights formulaic setup at this point.
Make another character and not a special one.
12:55 - Well, I like Starlight, I'll explain why I think she is a positive impact on the show.
Starlight is a good character because of her relationship with Twilight. She is able to provide an excellent challenge for Twilight as a student and their relationship pushes both of them to improve.
Her personality is interesting and her psychotic breakdowns are believable based on her past.
Starlight is a good character because she has a balance of flaws and strengths, Starlight is frequently shown to be overly reliant on her magic to solve problems or accomplish tasks, and has a tendency to not think her plans through. She is anxious about her time in OurTown and desperately avoids being manipulative and authoritative to her detriment. She is also confident and is able to do what needs to be done despite risks.
Starlight is a good character because she builds her new life and accomplishes things on her own. She built believable and interesting friendships with Trixie and Maud.
These points are all true throughout, No Second Prances, Every Little Thing She Does, All Bottled Up, A Royal Problem, Uncommon Bond and the rest of her major appearances.
Mirror Magic sucks because of all the reasons listed. Equestria Girls always does this garbage.
@MattyShore99
well said, my friend.
MattyShore99 I honestly disagree. He’s not wrong on why the character is terrible, he’s spot on about it in fact. I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned.
She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way.
Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable.
Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it.
It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions.
Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids.
Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP.
Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers.
I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God.
The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology.
So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
I love and agree with everything you said in your starlight videos! You just earned yourself a subscriber!
You don't even like Mlp? That's disappointing. I really liked the first part but now that I know you have no passion for anything but fangirling over Sunset Shimmer I kind of feel fooled
I don't like the show as a whole, but there are things about it that I find enjoyable and even things that I'm passionate about,(both positively and negatively) which is why I started making MLP vids in the first place. For example, I can't get enough of the songs. I mainly watch MLP so that afterwards, I can better enjoy content made by bronies. It's more difficult to get into a Silver Quill, Firebrand or Mad Munchkin review if I haven't see the episodes they're talking about.
I see. Thank you for explaining
Eh i think she still has pontenal.
Potential? Absolutely. Every Little Thing She Does is proof of that. Are they using it? Nope. They don't build her up, they just make her into what she is.
Yeah but the thing with potential is, you don't really want to be the guy with potential for so long
I agree
I understand why many people dislike starlight very much. But...
1. It doesn’t make sense to dislike a character so similar to another one that most of you arguing starlight sucks, adore.
2. The reason most of you hate her is because of how easily forgiven she was. May i remind you, this is a world with unicorns, and magical creatures. And, starlight isn’t the only villain who was forgiven quite easily. discord was, even though the mane 6 were still not very trusting of him, for the lord of chaos, he was let off the hook quite easy. Another reason starlight was let off the hook pretty easy is because twilight saw how pathetic she was. (I love starlight, that wasn’t meant to be offensive) Her backstory was really pathetic and she was really emotional unstable. Twilight saw that, and i think that’s the reason she forgave her.
⚠️IN MY OPINION⚠️
honestly, i thought the show needed someone who was really good with magic but not perfect-petty princess type. Just a new main character.
catsarecool I think Starlight doesn't work because her redemption wasn't earned. She didn't have to struggle to do the right thing against all odds, she didn't have to earn the trust of the other characters, she didn't have to sacrifice anything. She didn't even get defeated by Princess Twilight to learn her actions were awful in a hard way.
Twilight simply gave a ticket to redemption and Starlight simply took it, and Starlight was the only villain that couldn't be defeated by force, and honestly, That's just very cynical. The other point is what he mentioned is that her actions towards the Mane 6 don't make her redeemable.
Honestly, there is no coming back from systemically defying Equestria's humanity on a massive scale as she did with believing in Equality and forcing the Mane 6 to believe in it. It's in the same vane of being ridiculous like saying "Hitler and Stalin were sensitive men. They could be redeemed and learn friendship." Which is false when you look at their actions.
Starlight to me was never redeemable to begin with because she was disturbing, despisable, and really just dark for kids.
Not to mention, if those communism and fascism references were just for edginess and extra spice, that just shows that the writers don't understand the media and what messages are appropriate for MLP.
Now I know many People and You and I have different opinions on Starlight, but looking back at her evil actions, I honestly think her redemption wasn't needed and was a terrible decision by the writers.
I hate how she's easily forgiven for her actions. For example, Sell your bestie's cart? Just say sorry...Turn an isolated Village into your own cult? Just say sorry...Stalk The Princess of Equestria until you go back in time to stop their friends from finding their special talents and almost doom Equestria? Just Say Sorry...Dear God.
The Mane 6 being too much of a forgiving group isn't ok. Starlight deserved a more fitting punishment for everything she did to the Mane 6 in the equality Village. I still hated how starlight simply gets away with her evil actions with A simple apology.
So In my mind, after her terrible redemption she was still manipulative and sometimes her old self.
Still starlight having done such stupid and bully sit things an decanter get some luxury instead a punishment definitely doesn’t work for me imo, and in s6 she hasn’t actually done anything liek what sunset did to redeem herself liek how most redemption arcs should be. Some of her episodes put her as a “side character” and she isn’t the one directly solving the problem that’s not how a redemption should be liek and her villain was completely annoying and memorable ina bad way
@@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi Your long explanation just to complai one character that didnt her own personality. We know that she lived wiht his father a whole life and that make her depress.
Plus, sge didnt have any friend or someone to talk so she tried to find the truth. And you know why she just say sorry? Because of she didnt ever has friend since Sunburst.
So why you said she was still bad? She has changed and try to be better. Maybe she has manipulated her own friend but she try to be better. And she do the hardwork to keep the peace in Eq.
I feel so bad when you said like that. You know why, because her personality and backgroud just like me. Try to finding the truth and feel how be left by your own friend.
Just my opinion but like wouldn't it make sense that someone so caught in her own thoughts and almost mindless dedication to Princess Twilight, who spend much of their interactions undermining Starlight writing her off as just twilight's student would need someone new to help snap her out of her old way of thinking? I admit Starlight is powerful but people like Starswirl exist and what are the odds that after 1000 years there would be a unicorn with talent and explosive unpredictable power especially when she told Trixie that her powers were related to the intensity of her emotions and she spent her whole life not studying friendship or defending the world like Starswirl but instead studying these advanced spells as her cutie mark is literally to be a dominatingly powerful mage unicorn, I'm just saying that twilight has never been one to hone combat power and instead used diplomacy or relied on the crutch of the elements of harmony for a long time and the only time we see her particularly formidable in combat was when she was amped with the sister's power and cadence's and personally I thought it was much more believable when she fought the changling queen because starlight used tactics and her underhanded dodging and flanking methods are just not what twilight would do. And of course elements of the mane 6 and especially twilight would transfer over to starlight because she's literally her pupil and I could only imagine what kinds of things the raw power of starlight and her temper could do with the knowlege and experience of twilight to back it up and foster her to be the next princess of Equestria or at the very least advance the study of magic and friendship as headmare in a very starswirl manner. Oh and before I forget to all the people hiding behind the fact that twilight is an alicorn, therefore, she's just better than Starlight by default let's remember that completing one of Starswirl's spells is all she had to do to become one which not only has Starlight done, but also it was shown that she could read his writing so I'd argue that the logic that to become a princess you have to do some spectacular magic like cadence or twilight would mean that even the universe of mlp itself recognizes that Starlight is able to do what twilight can and it's not a significant feat for a unicorn of her level, let's recognize that she had access to some powerful abilities as a unicorn with a magic cutie mark who could also harness the powers associated with a weak moral character she was completely unrestricted in her experiments and tests of her power for her whole life all with the single minded goal of gaining control over others by any means. And to the point of twilight blocking her beam at the end of her special, i'd say that was more plot based in favour of twilight as earlier in the same special she effortlessly disabled twilight and she said herself that the stick didn't matter and it was all her power, but if I had to assign a reason in universe i'd say that she was getting rusty with her combat abilities because she was too busy running the town to study or practice and after she moved to the school she had ample time to hone her powers again. I'm only making one more point because I'm basically rambling on a 3 year old post but twilight is the element of magic in the sense that friendship is magic notice how no one ever called her the princess of magic it's because they'd never say that raw magic ability was the most important element of harmony and friendship so i'd argue that in keeping with what they always say and what's in the title being the element of magic says more about friendship than actual magic which I believe twilight learned for herself in her arc after arriving in ponyvile.
Then how did twilight almost effortlessly created a shield starlight blasted saying “I studied that spell for *years*” and then become a army tank a few months later that could go toe-to-toe with Twilight and force a stale mate?
@@seraphywang4638 You Starlight haters keep bringing up that whole ending of the Cutie Map. BLASTING A SHEILD IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM A BATTLE OF SOMEKIND.
We know that Twilight isnt usually on offence when it comes to battle, but she is definitely a defensive type of pony because it clearly shows she has a specialty for Shield spells. Obviously she would put up a shield if Starlight shot at the ponies, but a putting up a shield and blasting it doesnt make anypony stronger than the other.
And also, we saw other things in the premiere that Starlight could do, like shoot powerful beams, a shield spell that pushes others away, long-range telekinesis, and teleportation.
This is for the people that think Starlight didnt do too much in the premiere and came back “Stronger” in the finale. Ill admit she did come back with more abilities but it was not that surprising considering what she did in her debut.
@@selena2805
But it took the combined forces of all four alicorns to be able to stand against all the magic in Equestria as shown in the Tirek fight? You cannot convince me that even if Twilight was a defensive type character she should be the one tired after creating what she specializes at. Stralight should be the first to be tired after all that but the episode treats it like a joke and makes it so the fight is a stalemate.
This was clearly a contrivance to force a redemption because what other way would there besides brute would it take for Starlight to be stopped if Twilight can just blast her out of the sky? Starlight had to be that strong or else we can’t redeem Starlight and that’s the worst thing. She was only strong through plot armour.
@@seraphywang4638
Why would Starlight be the most exhausted? Twilight as shown in the fight had barely any knowledge of combat magic skills, But if Im going to be honest with you all you really need is lasers and a shield. But even with that, Twilight still couldnt win.
Twilight doesnt study combat magic because shes all about speeches and friendship. So even if she fires laser, she misses, and those misses overtime decrease her “mana” or amount of magic she has, so she gets exhausted.
Starlight only got exhausted probably to the fact that she was casting a levitation spell, cloud walking, while fighting, or just shooting lasers at shields she cant break.
Also, for the whole season, Starlight could have been refurbishing her magical abilities to get back at Twilight, so her coming back even stronger is really no surprise. And if her talent is magic, is shouldnt be surprising on why she is so good at it.
@@seraphywang4638 You make a really good point with that, I also do feel like if Starlight wasnt so talented, Twilight couldve forced her to stop.
But then again we know Twilight isnt so strong individually, its her friends that brings out the magic within her, as stated by her.
Her cutie mark is not only magic, but her friends surround her main star. So thats probably why alone, Twilight doesnt do so well or win against another magically talented pony/creature.
She didnt win against Tirek, they were bascially equal in power.
But Star and Twi and equal in abilities, but Starlight probably knows more spells and abilities.
Ok No hate!
Q: Stralight is powerfull
A: she study magic when her frinds go soo she can make a revage
Me: Not gonna lie i like a movie where the main is not the most powerfull! Soo i love starlight she my fav! But i have u guys don't mind...
And guys we saying Starlight glimmer is powerfull then twilight when princess clestia actually is not as powerfull as both of them
Let’s go over these statements shall Twilight don’t forget forgiveness it’s because it was Trixie and thinking she going be a bad influence . Pinkie didn’t forget happiness she get over excited and end being worst of the situation. Which she acted the same way with Fluttershy. Discord and Trixie didn’t forget common sense the episode clearly show that Trixie and Discord don’t get along . Everyone somehow got captured because there was no elements of harmony remember in Canterlot wedding the main six were outnumbered, all Chy had was capture flurry and Candance would give up. So who would stop her exactly?
Wait a minute, are you, a bronie?
Depends on your definition of the word. While there are elements of the show I like, as a whole, I don't like the show MLP. I do, however, enjoy brony content and in order to enjoy it the most I need to watch the show. And while I watch it, I have some viewers who ask me to review it, thus I make videos like this one.
So if you consider a brony as an adult who enjoys MLP, than no. But if you consider it an adult who explores MLP content, then yes.
@@ShadyDoorags ok thanks
Actually... I like her
Guess i'm lucky lmao can still love mlp
I love Starlight.
Every character needs to do something good too. And its not the ponies fault to get captured or whatever it is. The important iss that starlight save them. And you know whos the problem? The editor because they make the characters capture and more. So i dont get why starlight sucks. Cant yall just understand she change and just want to be good?
Yeah its right
Starlight has a bad time in the past and she maybe the most sad pony in MLP. She lost her friend, her mother and her dad keep her like a little kid. She just try to find the truth.
Many people equate between Starlight and Sunset. Hey! Just realize that Sunset has a good teacher to take care of her but Starlight just has herself. Also Starlight always be lonely but what about Sunset? She can study calmly.
So dont say someone bad if you dont know what is in their mind
@@Cyando yeah it looks like they just cant understand that starlight is now a hero just because of her past. I can say they dont forgive her because lf accusing. And i hate it. Thankfully, you understand
@@alexademielovato5616 ofc, I 'm undrstand about that because her backgroud and personality just like me. So I feel sensitive about that when many people say she is acting like she is innocent
@@Cyando yep
Cringe
Am i the only person that likes starlight?
I would say about half the fandom hates her, a third is okay with her being around to the point that they'll defend her, and the rest genuinely like her character.
@@ShadyDoorags Where's your evidence to say that 50% of the fandom hates her? You need to prove this because there's so much data that shows that it's only a vocal minority that hates her character. This 50% statement of hatred simply not true from a statistics standpoint. If it were that polarizing, then there would be globs of dislikes on UA-cam for episodes featuring her, or gobs of dislikes on people making a case for Starlight on UA-cam. There's a variety of empirical evidence from the MLP forums polls on episodes featuring Starlight, to polls on Starlight Glimmer, to the like/dislike ratio on Starlight videos, to indicate that the hatred is a vocal minority. Also correlates to a toxic minority, but that's a different discussion.
I began the statement with the phrase "I would say" implying that what I said was from Personal experience, not an objective study. Data isn't needed if I'm admitting that I'm going by anecdotal evidence. Of course, for most people, anecdotal evidence is not enough proof for anything, but I wasn't really trying to demonstrate anything objective. The point of my statement was that, from my observations, there is a good chunk of the fanbase who DOES like Starlight. Your data probably reinforces that point even if the details are different.
@@ShadyDoorags Well, not just a good chunk. It reinforces two points, among others: 1. Starlight Glimmer is not a polarizing figure in either the Analytical or Casual Fandom, because there isn't even close of an amount of hate for her to qualify as 'polarizing'. 2. Most people either like, love, or don't care about her, and as the seasons went on she became more liked and loved. This isn't to say that you should switch your viewpoint due to popularity, Starlight has enough negatives that would tick off people. It's just to give you more big-picture information. So, from my observation based on polls and forum discussion, here's what I looked at:
1. www.equestriadaily.com/2016/11/poll-results-what-do-you-think-of.html
This poll was done following the end of Season 6. This was probably where there was most outcry against Starlight Glimmer. It's a vocal minority even then, though. Because based on the EQ poll with 6800+ votes, only close to 14% of the pollers disliked her. More than half of the people who disliked her actually didn't mind seeing more of her in future seasons, indicating hope in her character. So, really only 6% flat out wanted her out of the show. By this point, almost half of the pollers at least liked her and wanted more of her in the show. About 30% were neutral on her. So the hatred for Starlight was completely overblown even at the end of season 6.
2. mlpforums.com/topic/171981-poll-what-do-you-think-of-starlight-glimmer-after-season-7/
Now I couldn't find an EQ poll regarding the fandoms opinion on Starlight Glimmer following season 7. I think because Season 7 was a major improvement in the character development of Starlight, and the results from the post-Season 6 poll only showed a minority of hatred for her. Instead, I looked at an mlpforums poll. While it lacks the quantity of numbers, it adds in qualitative information regarding what people liked and disliked about Starlight at the end of Season 7. There's quite a few great objective posts in that thread too. The poll results are surprising, even for only 57 participants. Most striking was that were no people neutral on Starlight. This indicates that enough characterization has occurred for most people to form an opinion her. And that opinion was quite positive.
3. Now I recall there being a claim that the reason why there aren't more Starlight haters in the polls is that they left the fandom. Well if that were true, then Starlight Glimmer should be at least somewhere near the top 10 most hated MLP characters. So I did a quick google search and here's the results from thetoptens.com. The comments reflect a much more... casual fanbase to put it politely.
www.thetoptens.com/hated-my-little-pony-characters/
Starlight Glimmer is ranked #34 on this list with 0.3% of the vote. Yeah, that argument has a tough hill to climb to explain that. Heck, Princess Luna got more votes than Starlight, with 0.5%. Everyone of the mane 6 and spike garnered more hatred votes than Starlight. One could argue that perhaps most people voted prior to Season 5-6, but that's contradicted due to Cozy Glow being ranked #6.
Anyways, I hope that wasn't too long of a post. But data usually takes a lot of space and analyzing.
I’m pretty sure most of the fandom likes her just a good percentage don’t ,honestly I don’t like or care bout her so I Guess I am on the hating side .Pretty much the only thing I found interesting was her relationship with sunburst but that wasn’t shown too much .ik y some ppl liked her I do but too me she just isn’t as good as sunset is , and also she started the trend of mlp villains getting a “sob story” cuz after starlight we got Stygian tempest and wallflower ,all who have a similar back story to starlight . That’s also the reason why I didn’t enjoy season 7 and the mlp movie cuz the villains Stygian and tempest didn’t really have good characterisation imo so when looking at the show and movies as a whole , starlight just sparked the “not so great age of mlp villains” so some ppl do bear this grudge
"Twilight forgets how to forgive so Starlight can do it."
"Pinkie forgets how to spot happiness so Starlight can do it."
"Everyone forgets how to use common sense so Starlight can lead."
"Everyone gets captured . . . somehow . . . so Starlight can save the day."
No, no, no, no, no. Did you not pay attention to any of those episodes? And what do you mean story elements such as lore or continuity are changed to make Starlight fit? That's not true. I've never seen that. And the show ahs maintained its characters, continuity, and consistency despite Starlight beng added to the cast. And what do you mean Starlight upstages everypony else? Again, I've never seen any evidence of that. Could you please provide some examples as to what you're talking about? Otherwise, it comes across as you just making up bullshit to support your biased claims.
I did provide examples. You're response to said examples was "No, no, no, no, no."
I also provided examples in my first video about Starlight.
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Yeah, it's hard having a brain and being able to think
Like your parents
it's 2018 and people are still (irrationally) hating on Starlight Glimmer, a rather innocuous television personality, for practically something that is tantamount to shutting down the Internet for a year*. this is made worse by the fact that these very people also happen to (blindly) venerate Sunset Shimmer for any reason, including no reason at all.*any--and all--alterations she, and Princess Twilight, made to the Equestrian timeline were nullified in the end of their struggle between each other; there is no lingering effect from that in the slightest.
These kinds of statements work both ways.
"It's 2018 and people are still (irrationally) defending Starlight Glimmer."
Not a very good argument. Also, shutting down the internet for a year would have massive repercussions to the the western world as we use it for way more than just video games and cat videos.
This is a very big strawman. I listed several reasons in this video on why Starlight is a problem to the entire show and none of them had to do with how bad her actions were or what effect they had to the world. Even in my "Why Starlight Should've Been Punished" video, I don't mention the severity of her actions because the complaints have nothing to do with that. They all have to do with how her character is being treated by the writers, which is that the plot works in her favor to arbitrarily make her appear special.
Your opinion is wrong
But u can’t change his opinion on starlight
@arianna it was a joke
@arianna it's kinda obvious
@@atlas1924 um it’s a joke? RLLY doesn’t seem like one , at least put like “jk” there or smt.
You know what I don't like your video I like Starlight glimmer and one she does not suck all the haters who hate Starlight glimmer shut up there is a lot of people who love her as well and I love her she is my favorite Pony and in my opinion one of the best
Crybaby
Imama Rahman you know what shut up I am not a cry baby and starlight glimmer is not the worst so shove it
Really? Because you sure act like one when you see anyone with a different opinion from you.
By acting the way you do you're just proving my point
Imama Rahman you know what you a whole I am a big Starlight glimmer fan and you know what like I said you can say whatever the hell you want you call yourself a brony you don't act like one no matter what I'm going to be a fan of this show forever and ever
The reason why in my headcannon there are only 4 seasons of MLP