I heard they are going to change a few card names too. The new names are Dust Roar, Force of Dust, Keeper of the Dust, Ancient of Dust, Dust Flurry, Master of Dust, Dust Juggler, Dust Golem, Dust Gnome and Big Dust Hunter. Sounds Preeety good.
1:06 Ancient of Lore 2:38 Force of Nature 3:48 Keeper of the Grove 4:58 Ironbeak Owl 6:40 Big Game Hunter 8:27 Hunter's Mark 9:20 Blade Flurry 11:00 Knife Juggler 11:49 Leper Gnome 12:15 Arcane Golem 12:36 Molten Giant 14:03 Master of Disguise 14:47 Recap
I was confused why Blizzard chose to nerf Force of Nature instead of Savage Roar and then I saw Big Wisps. Turn 6 Force of Nature into 2 Big Wisps would have been an 18 damage burst on fucking turn 6.
I honestly thought the old Ancient of Lore, Keeper of the Grove, and Ironbeak Owl were pretty weak up until the nerf announcement. Now I think they're all unplayable.
+Krzysztof Piasek lol, its still going to see play that silence ability is powerful. the reason they added +1 to cost is to prevent its realiability in zoo many control decks will still run atleast one
Blizzard literally forgot of Spellbreaker. -keeper of the grove is a understated Spellbreaker (yeah keeper has 2 dmg versatility, but if you chose that you're playing ironforge rifleman basically) -Owl is now 3 mana as a (2,1) with silence or you can spend one more mana and get the body of a piloted shredder by playing spellbreaker. I mean Spellbreaker is going to be the most used silence card now. The card was never bad and saw use several of times in warrior, reno warlock, and several of more decks.
+John Hill I think you're really underating the 2 dmg effect, the thing is that if you Innervate the keeper on turn 2 to deal with a knife jugler fx, the 2/4 body of the keeper can easily kill a pedler afterwards. so in most casses as a 2/4 the keeper trades for two and a half minion, while now in the best case scenario it trades for two, which is still quite good.
i love how ppl say that "you can only play moltens at 5 health" which shows inherent problem with the card that is 0 mana 8/8. It should be "minimum 1"
Ancient of Lore nerf was completely unnecessary.. You can't really do much with the cards you draw or already have unless you get innervate. Which is not all that likely.
Just went on hearthpwn and I'm not sad anymore because look at the rest of these cards if they're real (which they should be) I'm even more hyped!!! OLD GODS HYPE but yeah.... could have gotten a legend...
Your review is pretty much the same as my review on Hearthpwn. Glad to see I'm not too far off the money in my analysis. Always good to watch your videos Krip.
Although I agree, Nerfing a card repeatedly would enable multiple full dusts refunds. Changing cards repeatedly in games like hearthstone or MTG will also annoy people because the value of the cards will fluctuate like crazy.
+TooHard “Pancake” ToChangeName without Mad Scientist Freeze Mage will have an a lot harder time to get those defensive secrets out - and will have to pay them with mana, thus drawing even less. The next point is: C'Thun decks (and we will see a lot of those) will counter freeze Mage. Freeze Mage without Mad Scientist will be a little bit slower than Freeze Mage already is, giving the opponent enough time to get that C'Thun growing. You only have to drop the Freeze Mage low enough to be in Range of your C'Thun and C'Thun will pop him at 1 hp, even through an Ice Barrier... Freeze Mage might still be strong, i'm not saying that Freeze Mage will be unplayable. But there are some good reasons to at least doubt that we will enter an era of Freeze Mages...
Anon_is Master_race dude if it costs 40 mana. it will cost 11 mana when you have hero health. how stupid is that? you would need to keep tharissan out for many terms for a 40 mana molten giant to be useful.
So Kripp how much dust are you getting from these cards? I'm getting over 21 000 since I have most goldens, but I'd assume you have more than x2 of each card golden.
kripp. do you think there is a place in hearthstone for a more rng flip a coin style mechanic. I had the thought that a change to (for example bgh) battlecry could be a 50/50 chance for it to activate???
+Darxim Jeah, they're way to rough with the nerfs. Instead of really lookin' into the card and maybe even reshape it a little they just reduce or increase a number. Ancient of Lore is a good example! Yes, drawing 2 was to good, but just nerfing it without giving the card something somewhere else just makes it useless. I don't think they're goal should be to lose out already used design space. Same with the silencers. Why is a neutral card equal to a class card? That breaks tradition and for no reason. Owl is another example, owl is played for the silence not for the body. Reducing Owl to 1/1 or even 0/1 but keepin' the cheap silence as a tool in aggressive decks would've been mighty fine. I also don't get it why they do not apply smaller nerfs/buffs from time to time and see how the players adapt to them - nope, always bring out the chainsaw and go full tilt on the cards.
+Aspartem You're missing the point. Owl is OP BECAUSE of how cheap it is. Silence is OP and it's bullshit that aggro decks had such a strong, CHEAP tool against control decks. 2/1 for 2 was already shitty stats, nerfing stats would do nothing. It was one of the reasons everyone complained about aggro decks being OP and now complain about Blizzard trying to nerf it. Stupid
+kripparrian I'm hoping you might know the answer to this. So I just opened my R17 ranked chest and recieved a golden infested tauren. up until now, I always kept the golden even when I didn't have 1-2 standard versions. this time I went into my collection and I had 2 standard instead of one standard and a golden. did Blizzard change this collection mech?
I just want Blizzard to fix the card text on Molten Giant, because right now it reads "Costs (1) less for each damage your hero has taken." while its effect is "Costs (1) less for each health point your hero is missing". It's actually pretty significant, because the current phrasing implies that healing wouldn't increase the card's cost and transforming into Jaraxxus will literally make it unplayable once the nerf goes live.
+josh yocum no you don't understand. freezemage can NEVER be good. if it ever becomes good, everyone will play warior and kezan/ secret eater. then it will be shit. warrior AND freezemage can NEVER be good at the same time
Rastrisfrustreslos Gomez this isn't about patron. if they really wanted to stop patron just make it 2 attack minions instead of 3. its just that the people who are in charge of the nerfs clearly never plan to buff any cards ever so when blizzard hits something with the nerf stick its dead for good. I would much prefer a ban list system so that i can actually still play the cards outside of ranked instead of making them worthless
Most targets with more than 7 attack cost 5 or more. You can still combo BGH with something that buffs attack to remove things with under 7 attack. 5 mana for removal isn't bad considering you get a 'free' 4/2 on the board. BGH is still great value/tempo.
+Cas Meijers Because then people might still play it, and Blizzard has a *very* long track record of nerfing cards such that they will never see play again.
+Cas Meijers Because changing the statline would require extensive testing and there isn't time for that, with the amount of extensive testing required for these 'huge' changes.
+Cas Meijers iknow right. they dont really nerf cards, they kill cards. i dont like when it happens to card from classic set. they will be there fowever as a dead card...
+Brian D Typically gaining a Mana Crystal is valued between 1 and 1 1/2 Mana Cost on a card. Seeing as how Arcane Golem is a 3 drop (standard stats being 3/4) it should have stats equal to that of a standard 4 drop (4/5) at the very least. If the card were to actually see play, I'd presume it would need to be either a 4/6 or a 5/5.
if they are gonna nerf blade flurry, then they should allow us to disenchanted ALL rogue cards. I feel like rogue should continue to be a combo class, not some shity control class that losses to the other control classes anyway
/!\ !!!!!!Enhanced Skipperino!!!!!! /!\ 1:05 Ancient of Lore 2:38 Force of Nature 3:47 Keeper of the Grove 4:20 Because I can =) 4:58 Ironbeak Owl 6:40 Big Game Hunter 8:27 Hunter's Mark 9:20 Blade Furry 11:00 Knife Juggler 11:50 Leper Gnome 12:15 Arcane Golem 12:35 Molten Giant 14:03 Master of Disguise Well... Let the Dust flow!
+DigiGolfer Obviously it won't. Or should Unstable Portal also get full dust value because it can create Leper Gnome? Or Desert Camel because it can summon Leper Gnome from your deck. Tomb Spider also needs to be dusted for full value because it can create Ironbeak Owl.
Pretty sure, I remember one of my first ever arenas before naxx/gvg came out and a guy whacked down 3 ragnaros on me turn after turn. I am not even mad. This also applies for all cards, I remembered getting like 5 swipes and 4 innervates once.
+Kripparrian you said that we must disenchant all the nerfed cards but some of the cards are still playable and eventually we have to craft them for the same cost so whats the logic ?
I don't think keeper of the grove will see much play now. If compared to spellbreaker you give up 2/1 in stats which is huge just for the option of it dealing 2 damage. If you would choose to run either of these cards now, you would probably do so as you're in need for a silence, which spellbreaker does better at.33
+WannaComment2 exactly, but what they've done is removed the blue tac holding it together without even attempting to fix the broken class for the long term.
As kripp already said in the video, by nerfing master of disguise and bladeflurry they opened up a lot of design space for rouge. We'll see if blizzard makes something of it in the future, but for now this class is dead.
would someone mind explaining to me, as I'm so new, why I would want to disenchant these cards? I still have a small collection, so wouldn't every card count? or is the disenchant thing more focused on people who already have a well established deck?
+Korvas it´s because the mentioned cards are mostly useless now and therefore blizzard gives you the opportunity - after the nervs are implemented in the game - to disentchant these cards for the full amount of dust.. you can use the dust to craft some cards that are maybe more usefull for you in order to build up a good deck
Because after a card gets nerfed, you can disenchant it for its full cost for a while, meaning that there's no risk to disenchant - you can disenchant them for the same amount of dust that it would cost to make them again if you later decide you want them. Usually disenchantment then recrafting a card would lose you a lot of dust.
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I've been spending all of my very little dust on building an oil rouge deck for about a month now. I'm going to go and cry in a corner.
😂😂
+Sam Otten but they announced standard about a month ago...
That's what happened to my Murloc warlock deck after nax came out
You can disenchant the cards affected for their full cost the first day of the patch
same
Blizzard doesn't nerf cards they rather eat them and shit them afterward.
I heard there will be a shitty card called Am'gam Rager. What a joke!
Is jaina your greatest nemesis?
Some say that you're equal in direct combat, but any true SMOrc knows that attack is the key to victory
Yes... this card is stupid
+MagmaRagerino Kripperino Am'gam*
+MagmaRagerino Kripperino BabyRager
I like how blizzard's way of nerfing cards is just by making them completely useless. they might aswell just remove them from the game.
+MingLee BGH is still going to be played
+Matthew Baker 4head
John Nikolaras well yeah it's the only exception.
completely agree LMAOO
i just want to be noticed like the Kripperinos
Ich bin mit dir mein Kind
+Hitlerino Kripperino lol
+Hitlerino Kripperino He Looks more like a Stalino Kripperino doesn't he? (Yay noch andere Deutsche am Start :D)
+Matthew B skiperino kripperino not today fam
+BaronGaming :D
If Leper Gnome got nerfed, technically Thermaplugg got nerfed too. Full dust on disenchant?
Lol idk
+Direct202 Would be amazing...i have a gold one and i know i'll never use it now if i didn't use it before.
No, there was a Reddit post asking about the same thing and it was confirmed by Young Woo that you won't get full dust.
+Riven Is My Waifu Oh Damn! :/
Sooooo...
Can we disenchant the Rogue Class now?
I did that months ago lol
Yes
+YoshipPL C'thun rogue confirmed PogChamp
+Matt Saville same
+YoshipPL Did you see the Rogue cards they just released, they are batshit crazy op.
@kripparrian, You missed the hidden nerf of Mekgineer Thermaplugg as the leper gnome is nerfed
+macdam11 but do anyone play that card?
0:09 RUN ITS KRIPPO
+dangabbay1 Im crying XD
THE HAMMER HAS LANDED
Exterminating every last one of them Kripperinos!
WUTFACE
+dangabbay1 WutFace
I heard they are going to change a few card names too. The new names are Dust Roar, Force of Dust, Keeper of the Dust, Ancient of Dust, Dust Flurry, Master of Dust, Dust Juggler, Dust Golem, Dust Gnome and Big Dust Hunter. Sounds Preeety good.
1:06 Ancient of Lore
2:38 Force of Nature
3:48 Keeper of the Grove
4:58 Ironbeak Owl
6:40 Big Game Hunter
8:27 Hunter's Mark
9:20 Blade Flurry
11:00 Knife Juggler
11:49 Leper Gnome
12:15 Arcane Golem
12:36 Molten Giant
14:03 Master of Disguise
14:47 Recap
Lol how do u clear the board with rogue now? :D Guess its an auto lose against zoo.
+nisfunc4 Well blade flurry is now basically a worse shadowflame. So you could still technically use it to clear.
Abomination Kappa
Skulker and fan of knives. These are dark times.
Explosive Sheep+Shiv Kappa
+nisfunc4 you clear it by playing another class than rogue
RIP Combo Druid, will not be missed
+TheBlueToad! Good riddance
+TheBlueToad! RIP aggro welcome midrange everything, RIP midrange welcome aggro druid
+TheBlueToad! No it was great for me
I was confused why Blizzard chose to nerf Force of Nature instead of Savage Roar and then I saw Big Wisps. Turn 6 Force of Nature into 2 Big Wisps would have been an 18 damage burst on fucking turn 6.
+Maurice Flores Big Wisps makes Wisps of the Old Gods laughably bad :P
I honestly thought the old Ancient of Lore, Keeper of the Grove, and Ironbeak Owl were pretty weak up until the nerf announcement. Now I think they're all unplayable.
Now i can get some ironbeak owls from my jeweled scarabs. Nice!
OMG I DIDNT EVEN THINK OF THAT! AWESOME!
its not good,one more shitty card to discover
+Krzysztof Piasek lol, its still going to see play that silence ability is powerful. the reason they added +1 to cost is to prevent its realiability in zoo many control decks will still run atleast one
+Krzysztof Piasek There's going to be so much late-game play in this expansion that silence is going to be pretty useful.
Blizzard literally forgot of Spellbreaker.
-keeper of the grove is a understated Spellbreaker (yeah keeper has 2 dmg versatility, but if you chose that you're playing ironforge rifleman basically)
-Owl is now 3 mana as a (2,1) with silence or you can spend one more mana and get the body of a piloted shredder by playing spellbreaker.
I mean Spellbreaker is going to be the most used silence card now. The card was never bad and saw use several of times in warrior, reno warlock, and several of more decks.
+John Hill I think you're really underating the 2 dmg effect, the thing is that if you Innervate the keeper on turn 2 to deal with a knife jugler fx, the 2/4 body of the keeper can easily kill a pedler afterwards. so in most casses as a 2/4 the keeper trades for two and a half minion, while now in the best case scenario it trades for two, which is still quite good.
Blizzards definition of nerf is completely gimp the card.
+Ian Morris And BGH is playable as a tech card still
+WootmansayWOOT and yet they let BGH (the most broken card on that list) live because they're so fuckin' bad at game design
+Ian Morris but then there is a class that can bend almost every of your minion over and fuck it in the ass but no one is crying about that.
+Ian Morris amen.
+Indian Tech Support (priest)
i love how ppl say that "you can only play moltens at 5 health" which shows inherent problem with the card that is 0 mana 8/8. It should be "minimum 1"
when is bgh gonna get nerfed?
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Tell me about it! I was hoping at the very least, they'd change the text to kill a BEAST with X or more attack.
What the fuck with blade furry?! My poor oil rogue.
i feel you
>keep vanilla in standard
>nuke vanilla from orbit
k
+Kansokusha Making players having to buy the newer stuff means more money for Blizzard.
Ben Brode laugh/10
Ancient of Lore nerf was completely unnecessary.. You can't really do much with the cards you draw or already have unless you get innervate. Which is not all that likely.
16:37
+Skipperino Kripperino almost, but i want to hear the music
+Skipperino Kripperino how is this dood so fucking fast
keeper of the grove should have been: 4 mana 2/2, choose one - Deal (3) damage; or silence a minion
The thumbnail has got a hammer on it, THE NERF HAMMER XDDDDD ROFL LMAO
+Mom Stup it mum
+Mom TRUUUUUUUU😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂It's soooo RAWR XDDDD
nice name brah
16:10 lel, the irony of Kripp telling us to have our disenchant button ready....
Did kripp block all the kripperinos
+Kurai Ryuu omg youre right
+Kurai Ryuu NOOOooo! :(
+Kurai Ryuu thank God
Rip hearthstone
Look carefully. He missed one
no one elver mentions the leper gnome hobgoblin synergy.
Hobgoblin is rotating out of standard so...
Well wild mode still exists.
Kripp if I have a golden BGH cuz I opened one then I can disechant it for 1600 dust? :O
Yup
Oh lord!!!!
+Hurpix When I got the game My first pack I got a golden BGH dusted it.... didn't know what I was doing..... kms
+TheLastDino Damn :/
Just went on hearthpwn and I'm not sad anymore because look at the rest of these cards if they're real (which they should be) I'm even more hyped!!! OLD GODS HYPE
but yeah.... could have gotten a legend...
Your review is pretty much the same as my review on Hearthpwn. Glad to see I'm not too far off the money in my analysis. Always good to watch your videos Krip.
WHY do they just destroy cards instead of nerfing slightly, seeing how it goes and acting again if needed?
Although I agree, Nerfing a card repeatedly would enable multiple full dusts refunds. Changing cards repeatedly in games like hearthstone or MTG will also annoy people because the value of the cards will fluctuate like crazy.
+MorningRoost because ben brode is an idiot that has no idea on how to balance a game
Thanks Kripp for your strategy on disenchanting cards, it finally paid off. I'm FINALY going to have enough dust to craft MILLHOUSE MANASTORM.
Blade flurry was nerfed wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much
Kind sad to see Ancient of Lore get nuked. It was the first Epic I got from a pack (besides Shadowform, but that doesn't really count as a card so...)
Shaman aggro is completely intact.
So much for a slower meta!
Hunter: I will hunt you down!
Plays arcane golem
Rexxar: Give that minion a turn to get ready.
Hunter: That didnt quite hit the mark!
They nerfed Leper Gnome because Mekgineer Thermaplugg was overpowered.
Why was alexstraza not nerfed??!?!?
+1
Because blizzard loves freeze mage
+DamonHooKantSpel Yuan Because its a Warrior class card Kappa.
Alextraza is fine, freeze mage should be fixed!...... Somehow
+TooHard “Pancake” ToChangeName without Mad Scientist Freeze Mage will have an a lot harder time to get those defensive secrets out - and will have to pay them with mana, thus drawing even less.
The next point is: C'Thun decks (and we will see a lot of those) will counter freeze Mage. Freeze Mage without Mad Scientist will be a little bit slower than Freeze Mage already is, giving the opponent enough time to get that C'Thun growing. You only have to drop the Freeze Mage low enough to be in Range of your C'Thun and C'Thun will pop him at 1 hp, even through an Ice Barrier...
Freeze Mage might still be strong, i'm not saying that Freeze Mage will be unplayable. But there are some good reasons to at least doubt that we will enter an era of Freeze Mages...
Molten Giant for 30 mana would be fair Kappa
Keepo
*40 mana
kappa
+Angry Skeletor stupid. you cant play molten giant if its 40 mana. even with the effect.
+WhoopieFire DragonKing Emperor thaurissan
Anon_is Master_race dude if it costs 40 mana. it will cost 11 mana when you have hero health. how stupid is that? you would need to keep tharissan out for many terms for a 40 mana molten giant to be useful.
Kripp content getting better these days. keep it up kripp, the shaman is with you
They should nerf magma rager
After they nerf, how much time do we have to disenchant the nerfed card for full dust, a week? a month?
2 weeks
You sure?, thank you.
Why didn't they change the knife juggler so he shoots a knife whenever a minion is *played* instead of summoned.
because then you have no VIABLE counter to Leeroy
So Kripp how much dust are you getting from these cards? I'm getting over 21 000 since I have most goldens, but I'd assume you have more than x2 of each card golden.
+la pest your mother must be very proud
la pest :D
Now I have alot of dust cuz my druid deck is completely disenchanted, thanks Blizzard
kripp. do you think there is a place in hearthstone for a more rng flip a coin style mechanic. I had the thought that a change to (for example bgh) battlecry could be a 50/50 chance for it to activate???
No, Kripp, we hope you have your disenchant button ready.
Great REview , thanks Kripp , looking forward for the full set review :)
Who else is gaining hella dust after this? Lol
+ThatDudeWhoCares Yuuuuup
+ThatDudeWhoCares Kripp is prolly gaining more dust than anyone else
+ThatDudeWhoCares I calculated 2060 dusts for mine!
Just recently opened two golden Ancient of Lores. That on top of already having 2 regular ones and 5 Force of Nature's. Swimming in dust.
packed a golden fon
For some reason, the gorhowl is also 400 dust if dischanted. It didn't get nerfed right?
terrible balancing as usual from blizzard.
eat shit
+MO no u xd
+comme le vent They always go overboard with the nerf bat.
+Darxim Jeah, they're way to rough with the nerfs. Instead of really lookin' into the card and maybe even reshape it a little they just reduce or increase a number.
Ancient of Lore is a good example! Yes, drawing 2 was to good, but just nerfing it without giving the card something somewhere else just makes it useless. I don't think they're goal should be to lose out already used design space.
Same with the silencers. Why is a neutral card equal to a class card? That breaks tradition and for no reason. Owl is another example, owl is played for the silence not for the body. Reducing Owl to 1/1 or even 0/1 but keepin' the cheap silence as a tool in aggressive decks would've been mighty fine.
I also don't get it why they do not apply smaller nerfs/buffs from time to time and see how the players adapt to them - nope, always bring out the chainsaw and go full tilt on the cards.
+Aspartem You're missing the point. Owl is OP BECAUSE of how cheap it is. Silence is OP and it's bullshit that aggro decks had such a strong, CHEAP tool against control decks. 2/1 for 2 was already shitty stats, nerfing stats would do nothing. It was one of the reasons everyone complained about aggro decks being OP and now complain about Blizzard trying to nerf it. Stupid
+kripparrian I'm hoping you might know the answer to this. So I just opened my R17 ranked chest and recieved a golden infested tauren. up until now, I always kept the golden even when I didn't have 1-2 standard versions. this time I went into my collection and I had 2 standard instead of one standard and a golden. did Blizzard change this collection mech?
these nerfs are so harsh these will never see play again
KJ will.
+XDthejulianXD and warsong according to be brode Kappa
Does this disenchant bonus only work on crafted cards or will my own packed cards also disenchant for more?
Damn druid and Rogue got hit bad
Kripp's happiness 12:24 I feel you bro
New changes are like:
"BUY OUR FUCKING NEW CARDS!!"
+Commander_Pro Blizzard cares about the f2p community Kappa
+Commander_Pro lmao im so screwed in the weeks to come.
why is kripp always 1 day late with the news?
+Ayy Lmao Prep time
I just want Blizzard to fix the card text on Molten Giant, because right now it reads "Costs (1) less for each damage your hero has taken." while its effect is "Costs (1) less for each health point your hero is missing". It's actually pretty significant, because the current phrasing implies that healing wouldn't increase the card's cost and transforming into Jaraxxus will literally make it unplayable once the nerf goes live.
Freeze mage and warrior are gonna be most op.
if warrior is more than 10% of the metagame, freezemage is unplayable
Jordan PM Klein
No warrior is going to be played more cause freeze mage is going to be the best deck out there xD.
+josh yocum no you don't understand. freezemage can NEVER be good. if it ever becomes good, everyone will play warior and kezan/ secret eater. then it will be shit. warrior AND freezemage can NEVER be good at the same time
+josh yocum I crafted a Freeze deck two days ago FUCK YEAH
+Lelem2 ok freezemage is best deck ever, so fun, but just know I lose to every warrior ever. period.
They went overboard on blade flurry, I like the text change, but it should be 3 mana tops.
This is not nerfing, this is a massacre xD
+RoberTG6 welcome to blizzard nerfs 101. remember warsong commander?
+zaxex21 Da fuck is that?
zaxex21 Yeah, completely shutted down Patron Warrior, thou that nerf was a bit needed, 80% of the decks were just that.
To be fair patron is still strong, just not the best deck hands down
Rastrisfrustreslos Gomez this isn't about patron. if they really wanted to stop patron just make it 2 attack minions instead of 3. its just that the people who are in charge of the nerfs clearly never plan to buff any cards ever so when blizzard hits something with the nerf stick its dead for good. I would much prefer a ban list system so that i can actually still play the cards outside of ranked instead of making them worthless
Most targets with more than 7 attack cost 5 or more. You can still combo BGH with something that buffs attack to remove things with under 7 attack. 5 mana for removal isn't bad considering you get a 'free' 4/2 on the board. BGH is still great value/tempo.
why isnt acient of lore just like a 5-7 or a 6-6 now. blizzard pls
+Cas Meijers Because then people might still play it, and Blizzard has a *very* long track record of nerfing cards such that they will never see play again.
They are very stupid
+Cas Meijers Because changing the statline would require extensive testing and there isn't time for that, with the amount of extensive testing required for these 'huge' changes.
+Cas Meijers iknow right. they dont really nerf cards, they kill cards. i dont like when it happens to card from classic set. they will be there fowever as a dead card...
Will we get full dust values from disenchating Naxx cards as well?
Arcane Golem should be a 4/5.
+Brian D Typically gaining a Mana Crystal is valued between 1 and 1 1/2 Mana Cost on a card.
Seeing as how Arcane Golem is a 3 drop (standard stats being 3/4) it should have stats equal to that of a standard 4 drop (4/5) at the very least.
If the card were to actually see play, I'd presume it would need to be either a 4/6 or a 5/5.
Even then, it wouldn't see play.
Will you make a vid about what to re-craft after the cards adjust to the meta?
if they are gonna nerf blade flurry, then they should allow us to disenchanted ALL rogue cards. I feel like rogue should continue to be a combo class, not some shity control class that losses to the other control classes anyway
+Buzatu Mihnea You think you don't want zoo rogue, but you do.
/!\ !!!!!!Enhanced Skipperino!!!!!! /!\
1:05 Ancient of Lore
2:38 Force of Nature
3:47 Keeper of the Grove
4:20 Because I can =)
4:58 Ironbeak Owl
6:40 Big Game Hunter
8:27 Hunter's Mark
9:20 Blade Furry
11:00 Knife Juggler
11:50 Leper Gnome
12:15 Arcane Golem
12:35 Molten Giant
14:03 Master of Disguise
Well... Let the Dust flow!
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FOOLS! YOU HAVE BUFFED MY ULTIMATE TOOL!
HOLY WRATH!
and then you referenced it wow you ruined it
kripp is it still worth to put iron beak owl in a zergy rush deck? or is it just better to get a spell breaker that has a decent body?
+Inbound Yes, in wild possibly, but obviously not in standard. You will be destroyed.
aggro shaman is going to reck the meta
not sure where else to ask. but do you guys know if you can get golden solo adventure cards from arena rewards. cards like sludge Belcher
+Steven Labadie no, you can only get golden adventure cards by crafting them
Blizzard is REALLY fucking bad at nerfing cards
hey krip. what are your thoughts on disencahnting all the gvg cards?
Bye bye to my two golden Arcane Golems.....fair trade for a new legendary.
+Roger Sullivan Couldn't they have been a bit more gentle. Like maybe give your opponent a mana crystal for one turn only damn.
Excalibursin Blizzard doesn't really do gentle when it comes to nerfs...they murder cards.
Does anyone know if Mekgineer Thermaplugg will disenchant for full value once the patch hits? Figured it would since Leper Gnome got nerfed.
+DigiGolfer Obviously it won't. Or should Unstable Portal also get full dust value because it can create Leper Gnome? Or Desert Camel because it can summon Leper Gnome from your deck. Tomb Spider also needs to be dusted for full value because it can create Ironbeak Owl.
Stealth BGH buff he wins more jousts now
Unrelated question. Is it possible to draft 2 of the same legendary in arena? a guy just threw 2 renos at me and I thought it odd. thx.
+turnoniseered less likely as more expansions are added but possible. Computers are not the best at randomizing so flukes like that can happen.
Pretty sure, I remember one of my first ever arenas before naxx/gvg came out and a guy whacked down 3 ragnaros on me turn after turn. I am not even mad. This also applies for all cards, I remembered getting like 5 swipes and 4 innervates once.
Master of Disguise is a HE, not her. read the flavor text.
ITS A TRAP!
+KnightSama Holy shit! My mind is blown! That really is an awesome disguise!
I just opened 2 BGHs back to back; 1 from the quest pack and one from the Brawl pack :3
Rip in Pepsi Druid.
Why not coke
+Kripparrian you said that we must disenchant all the nerfed cards but some of the cards are still playable and eventually we have to craft them for the same cost so whats the logic ?
flexibility
+orderphonix24 Because you'll have the exact dust to recraft if, unless you go on a spending spree ;)
It's basically hedging your bets, for free.
most people will get a legendary or 2 off these nerfs so thats good news.
+Connor Mraz Yeah, i'm probably gonna take his advice and dust most of them. I'm looking forward to a few legendaries, lol.
+Connor Mraz
Yea thats what I was looking at. I disenchant all these cards and honestly won't be hard to get many of them back. So free dust.
So if I craft a bunch of these cards now, I will still get full price after the nerf even if I don't have them now?
I don't think it's fair that cancer Druids get a full refund for their cancer
I may have missed something, what do you mean by this?
Cancer force of nature sav roar
But why is that a "full refund"
I am a sea lion Oh, after the patch lands, they can get a full refund on their cards.
So is molten giant still going to be viable in handlock or is it going to be replaced by something else now?
Cant wait to get all my dust from my golden ancient of lore i got from a pack. Legendary here i come!!!
Proper sad about blade flurry, one of the cards that gives youa great board clear when you're in a dire situation or to finish your opponant
SPELLBREAKER META INCOMING!!!! FUCKING HIDE!!!
I don't think keeper of the grove will see much play now. If compared to spellbreaker you give up 2/1 in stats which is huge just for the option of it dealing 2 damage. If you would choose to run either of these cards now, you would probably do so as you're in need for a silence, which spellbreaker does better at.33
The fuck is that bladeflurry nerf. Liek blz plz wtf
they wanted to make the kind of same affect as shadowflame
Druid has other Options kind of but Rogue without oil and Flurry is just gone, Will Never been Seen ever again :D
+Rufus Barnes Bladeflurry is way more balanced like that. The big issue is that rouge is a shit class that needed the OP bladeflurry to win at all.
+WannaComment2 exactly, but what they've done is removed the blue tac holding it together without even attempting to fix the broken class for the long term.
As kripp already said in the video, by nerfing master of disguise and bladeflurry they opened up a lot of design space for rouge. We'll see if blizzard makes something of it in the future, but for now this class is dead.
Does anyone know how dust refunding is going to work for gvg, or they will even have anything planned at all in that matter?
Does the full dust work with golden cards too? Like I have a golden BGH, would be sick if I could get that juicy dust :D
+Luxley yes you will get 1600 dust for a golden bgh
Hi Kripp, can you make your other 1/2 video about the new cards?
Kripp. Could you please tell us how much dust you will gain from disenchanting the cards that will get nerfed.
Do you get full crafting dust back for disenchanting these nerfed cards?
+DxG Sutch Nevermind
I think the nerf to Master of Disguise was to prevent stealthing Bran while using all the new powerful battlecry minions (thinking of C'Thun).
would someone mind explaining to me, as I'm so new, why I would want to disenchant these cards? I still have a small collection, so wouldn't every card count? or is the disenchant thing more focused on people who already have a well established deck?
+Korvas it´s because the mentioned cards are mostly useless now and therefore blizzard gives you the opportunity - after the nervs are implemented in the game - to disentchant these cards for the full amount of dust.. you can use the dust to craft some cards that are maybe more usefull for you in order to build up a good deck
Because after a card gets nerfed, you can disenchant it for its full cost for a while, meaning that there's no risk to disenchant - you can disenchant them for the same amount of dust that it would cost to make them again if you later decide you want them. Usually disenchantment then recrafting a card would lose you a lot of dust.
didnt mention mechgineer thermaplugg nerf, but mentioned the holy wrath one.
I want full dust for thermaplugg...