Hydrogen compression. PART 3. Pure Hydrogen Generator Split cell system.
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2017
- 99% pure H2 generator compression system
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To purge a tank before using it to store gas, I'd highly recommend using a vacuum purge instead of gas purging as suggested. It's what HVAC guys do for their refrigerant tanks for the same goal of purity. While you may get "acceptable" purity levels with gas purging, you can't beat the purity of a vacuum. Even converting an HVAC compressor to a vacuum pump will achieve good levels of vacuum.
This.
It's easy, cheap and effective.
Straight up dropping some knowledge. Even 99% pure compressed hydrogen scares me because of what we have been taught about tank failure. That a puncture can mean catastrophic failure, but I have been super curious about this systems for energy storage. Also to mention there could potentially be a heat transformation to storage, or a reclamation of energy in separating the oxygen and hydrogen from water.
Keep up the great work and look forward to more videos.
I think it will be safe. We are only talking about 120 to 140 psi. As long as oxygen content is lower than 4% it cannot burn. This makes it completely safe. Thanks for watching.
delvis11
The best way to store hydrogen gas due to its microscopic molecule size, is in what's called hydride. It's completely safe and non-explosive and can hold a tremendous amount of gas in such a small container called hydride cells. And the Purity is 99.999% pure hydrogen gas.
Hydrides are fantastic and I experiment with atomic hydrogen quite a bit myself. The cost of a Nickel hydride is pretty expensive for a tank to my knowledge.
I believe there is new advances in carbon tech like a NiC hydride hybrid, that have brought cost down a bit.... Still pretty expensive to my knowledge, and it still cant store as much as a pressurized vessel.
Proteus is underutilized IMHO, glad to see people still openly working with it.
These tanks are extremely expensive. I may go to that at some point but for now propane tanks are it. Look hydrogen house on youtube. Its a cool system they have.
Do you have any information on people selling hydride tanks? I would like to try one.
Excuse me, can I use a refrigerator compressor to compress hydrogen?
thank you for your articles , safe clean designs, ... i would like to run a sabatier reactor for scrubbing CO2 and producing CH4 for an energy source,,,.. in a CLSS..
Yeah . Clean&smart. So how can i have a H analiser.? Thanks
Que tipo de compresor usas para comprimirlo y pasarlo dentro del tanque de almacenamiento?
ABS pipe is not designed for pressurized use. PVC is a much better choice.
Have you done a power cost analysis per hour, with the electricity, if that is what you are using?
is there a way to streamline the process to store water and convert it as its needed? Using the oxygen to fuel the hydrogen to make more power generation?
Great vid, thx!
By compressing the hydrogen it can be used to run a regular vehicle motor correct?
I see a lot of people attempting to make hho cells to operate internal combustion engines, they usually dont make enough hho to power the vehicle. By collecting hydrogen and compressing it, it can be carried onboard to power vehicles. Right?
It is amazing but I have one question. What does it cost to store hydrogen per cubic meter?
I know I’m already waaaay out of my wheelhouse on this topic …. Is the hydride in used NiMH batteries recoverable for use as a hydrogen store?
Did you run a vaccuum on the propane tank before filling?
imagine someone watches this video after they fill a tank
What kind of membrane used?
Whats the membrane? some sort of fiberglass mesh?
Good stuff. Any ICE can be converted to use hydrogen The holy grail would be to use solar and store it in tanks at relatively low pressure , say 50 psi . maybe more ? No carbon exhaust or build up. Just clean running engines from your own gas station . Tune ups would be a thing of the past almost . Someone will find a way to make it illegal. But I hope not
Fuck anyone who tries
No gov has any right over the people
What material is the black plate?
dear sir, I also want to compress woodgas in the cylinder. Could you consult me about the compression?
storing and compressing the H2 is intriguing. i was big into research a few years ago with wet and dry cell generators and even made my own dry cell. the output was moderate but i kept fearing a "Hindenburg" situation if i added it to my vehicle. my thought was if I could store it, opposed to on demand use, you could have the generation station solar powered. it would work all day long every day. its 300+ sun days where i am. 13+ hour summer days. Thoughts??
Super Joe I agree, I have been at this storage game for a long time. I have learn so many ways not to do it. I'm finally making progress.
My goal is to offer a product that most people can afford. Just add solar!
Super Joe One day you have baked hydrogen boys will learn to quit talking about the fucking Hindenburg how orderly stupid if you don’t have oxygen what are you doing you’re going to be fine you haven’t heard about anybody blown up with hydrogen lately have you and they drive tanks of it down the street and the freeway is every day the hydrogen in the Hindenburg that’s more than likely very contaminated with oxygen it’s just stupid that people keep mentioning the Hindenburg for god sake’s grow fucking brain
How about storing hydrogen in palladium coin it's possible at room temperature and 1 atm and re generate hydrogen via glow-plug at 400° ?? Did you try that?
Fill and empty the tank with hydrogen several times to ensure the oxygen is remove? How about fill once, turn upside down and then empty? Hydrogen is lighter and so will rise?
Do you sell devices of pure hydrogen??
Do you use sodium hydroxide because I do for the hydrogen generator for my truck diesel engine my engine. I also drove a half a million miles and I would from 16 l per minute in my engine it ran so clean you cannot smell diesel out of tailpipe
That's awesome 😎
I use KOH but NaOH will work also.
How much pressure does can the tube generator make in psi before you have to use a compressor ??? Thanks
45 to 50 psi
the steel will fail at some point. Please rap with fiberglass tape so the shrapnel doesn't kill you.
remember this is low pressure 130psi is nothing but I like your idea.
@delvis11, it isn't about the pressure. Hydrogen gas, as I'm sure you are aware, is corrosive. It will eat the steel tank from the inside out.
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@@jjbailey01it's embrittling.. not corrosive. And that happens at higher pressures with harder steels.
Hi Steve - what is the best hydrogen separation membrane? Any new developement
Can't share that.
Why can’t you share of that? I mean what’s the big deal is this some kind of government secret and amazes me how people say things like that so another words you don’t know? Because there’s no reason not to share it to save your damn videos if you can’t share stuff
have you thought about throwing in something like a non reactive gas into the tank so you dont have to waste the H2 when bleeding the tank?
Or throw in some vacuum. That's a very easy option.
@@godfreypoon5148 he did vac it out. but it's limited, apparently.
Could you explain to us why (to you) energy has so much value in form of H2 that you are happy to input more energy than what you output? A quick calculation based on the values you shared in the video is that in order for you to obtain 1kg of H2, you invest 103KW of electricity to get a return of 33.6KW in H2 (as 1kg of H2 has a BTU of 33.6KW) Is it the low cost of investment in infrastructure and maintenance? Low cost of storage materials? Endless renewables available to you such as sun, water wind? Maybe your specific application for the H2? Thank you for sharing.
I do this for fun and leave it to others to figure that stuff out. People can do whatever they want with it.
seems like a great way to reach the moon
Crazy stuff
How to compress and pump hydrogen to hydrogen fuel cell car? The needed pressure is 70bar I think.. What is the way to compress up to 70bar and transfer to car tank?
Hydrogen cars contain Hydrogen at 350bar and are tanked at 700bar which is why the refueling stations are so expensive. Also, the hydrogen is cooled. Nothing to diy
i'd like to know what membrane you use?
what you use as hydrogen dryer?
Hi,how many liters of hydrogen can it hold in the tank?
László Kovács that is a good question. I do not know.
But theoretically, how many liters of hydrogen can it hold in such a tank under pressure?
I'm going call out an error in the video. That is a 100 pound propane tank, not 100 gallons. 100 pounds of propane is 23.6 gallons, so that is the volume of the tank. This volume will be constant regardless of what is contained in it. Converted to metric, this is 89.336 liters. This tank will hold 89.336 liters of anything that you can put in it. As pressure increases you will only increase the mass contained, not volume.
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Can i compress hydrogen with 12V car inflator compressor??
No it wont work because most inflators take air in through the crankcase. No way to seal it.
@@Hydrogen4Health okei sir
That's a 10 gallon propane bottle, not 100 gallon.
anasmrright 100 pound tank
Hi really trying to learn as much as I can on hydrogen ,your set up is about 180 watts of energy ,how much hydrogen can you produce per minute if your are running at the most stared power draw ,if not pushing the HHO generator
150 watts makes about 667ml of H2 and 333ml of O2.
@@Hydrogen4Health thanks you
@@Hydrogen4Health hi and is this per hour or in per min
@mwan200 Sorry, that's per minute.
Steve would it be safer fill the propane tank with nitrogen first bleed the air out that way then when the air is gone fill it with hydrogen and bleed off the nitrogen, or easer still fill the tank with water and let the pressure from the hydrogen bleed out the water from a opening at the bottom of the propane tank
Nitrogen yes. I like your water idea. Another way that I may try is pulling a vacuum on the tank and then filling with H2
water is the best way to make sure its all out of the tank. I saw an add for solar cells at 100 watts each for 150 bucks each . Harbor freight .I think your system uses 300 watts ? I think the tanks might be the most expensive thing going. Need a way to hold enough gas in the trunk of a car ? I think Bob Lazar was doing that a few years ago
Hey Delvis
I was wondering how you would keep oxygen from dissolving into the electrolyte and then possibly contaminating the hydrogen by outgassing ?
Vacuum purge. It's the best way and industry standard for compressed gas tanks.
If there was oxygen "contaminating" your hydrogen wouldn't it just turn back into water and collect at the bottom of the tank?
Too much oxygen in the tank can make it flammable.
@@Hydrogen4Health i need to revisit combustion reactions.
Yes it'll turn to water with heat/explosion as a byproduct
Did not see any split cell generator on website
It's here: www.greenfuelh2o.com/product-category/pem-generators/
Know why air in a new tank because they have to test them at the factories we don't leak.
Hi bro
hydrogen can be used as fuel ^^
hydrogen is used by NASA on liquid for for ts rockets...
around the world hydrogen is use to cook too
If the generator is ~99% effective, can’t the 1% oxygen cause an explosion, should the tank caught a spark?
No, 1% can't burn but it's a good idea to try and get all the O2 out.
Are you you selling hydrogen generator split cell's ? and can you ship them to belguim ?.I whent to the site but all i see are hho cell's.
Our PEM cell is here: www.greenfuelh2o.com/product/pem-h2-generator-99-95-pure/
@@Hydrogen4Health thx you will be receiving an order soon for that cell ;)
I'm really into hydrogen as energy storage but I'm afraid I'll blow myself up.
You and me both.
Fuel cell is unnecessary and has been don't to confuse the truth, I am telling you this because over forty years ago I was shown a Holden Kingswood run on tap water with no fuel cell at all, he filled his fuel tank with strait tap water and showed it was going into the carburettor. He only gave us a quick description on how he did it as he was trying to sell it to Holden but got told they were not interested and got the same from Ford as well and after that he was visited by two men that told him to keep his mouth shut, but when he showed it to us there was a twenty seven year old that had seen it as well and built his own two years later and the man who showed it to us was killed, But what he told us was all he did was increase the jets in his carburettor to twice there size to allow enough water in and built this coil he had mounted on the side of the motor that was about 4x4 inches in size to burn the water and that was it no fuel cell at all, when water is placed under a vacuum and hit with x-ray frequency it releases hydrogen and is what I think is going on with this system and is as safe as. I know this is real I have seen it done. It is just being done the wrong way.
The voice in the background is annoying
Warren Shelton your comment is annoying..... what’s the point..
Sorry your having a bad dad. better to take it out on me instead of your wife. glad to be here for you
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