How does it feel to know that we aren’t Mexican we are indigenous people all of us even the mixed ones with Spanish . We are all still captive due to their mental enslavement and Catholicism .I want all my brothers to know we are intellectual people and we built those pyramids!!!!!
@@quigpig455 yeah but its not only feathers they could easy put it in paper avid free then transporting inside a soft feot box and sleve and be sure to pad the pieces of metal so the fetahers wont get peirocer and then slowly put thag i to a creat and have it level during the whole expidition to mexico
That’s nonsense and you’re an idiot. Why should they be forced to return something they acquired legally? And they’re concerned about it’s fragility because it’s 500 years old and made of animal parts. Regardless of whether or not Austrian representatives are with the object, it will still be subject to vibrations from the airplane and will fall apart.
Plunder of a defeated enemy. Every place even the Aztecs did the same. Austria didn’t colonize the Americas. I get the sentiment but why not hate Italy for attacking Germans and French? Why not Hate the English for the harm it did the Irish too? The Iraqis to Iranians. Turkey to the Greek. War is everywhere it’s nonsense to blame modern day people for things done 500 years ago.
Austria has to give back this and all other foreign treasuries. They act as if they had no own culture. Do the austrian people in charge want to hand over this highliy valuable heritage without an appropriate packaging or why do they lie that it were too fragile for transportation 😡 I'm ashamed. I hope we Westerners will vanish totally, so that the world can live in peace and freedom.
It’s 500 years old and made of feathers. It’ll fall apart if subjected to the vibrations of an airplane. It’s much too fragile to travel anywhere. And why does Austria have to give back anything? It’s history. Deal with it. And it’s not a lie that it’s too fragile. A conservator at the Mexico City national museum agreed with the assessment that the headdress is too old and too fragile to undergo air travel. You’re an idiotic mongrel if you think westerners are responsible for the worlds problems.
Well i don’t think it matters that it has nothing to do with them , but I do agree that Mexico should try to do more to get it back. The excuse that they used that it’s too fragile to move seems BS. They just don’t want too give it back.
Well honestly no matter what my ppl do they are not gonna give it back unless everyone can help by voicing it sharing post about it or something because no matter what the simple matter is they will jus not give it back unless the ppl of the world help us and make it know that a piece of Mexicos treasure is not in its rightful place where it belongs
@@alexandraalfaro8803 Mexico can do much more than just ask for it back. Show more backbone and declare war if necessary. Are they willing to enter war for the sake of an artifact that is not theirs?? I doubt it.
This should be returned to Mexico, and the relevant museum foundation or something can then have it displayed in Mexico, where it belongs, and potentially allow it to travel as part of a Mexican cultural exhibit to other museums for a limited time.
@@Vante09 yes, as it's home, but does that mean it can't be loaned out to other museums as an exhibition to show other countries about mexican history? There are many exhibitions that move from country to country, so why not the same here?
@@diegofonseca6708 It will however fall apart. It’s 500 years old and made of animal by products. And held up by animal glue and plant fibers, it will most definitely have deteriorated.
@@henrylivingstone2971 the raiding and decimation of a continent is a pathetic grievance? That kind of thinking is exactly why we should never let Europeans keep anything that was stolen from other cultures… they don’t care about what it really means, to them it’s just a trophy.
@@Bootes_Void You act as if Europeans were the ONLY people to invade and conquer other peoples. EVERYONE in the entire history of the world has done that! It’s in our nature to subjugate the weak and take advantage! We are a greedy, malicious, selfish species eager to take advantage of each other. Get off your high horse. The Aztecs conquered lots of their neighbors. How do you think the Spanish conquered the Aztecs? The Spanish regardless of their superior weaponry were still outnumbered, the only reason the Spanish won their fight with the Aztecs is because they recruited native people who were disgruntled by the conquests of the Aztec of their land, culture, and people. Don’t act as if there are good and bad people here, everyone is equally flawed. Tetzcoco, Otomis, Chalco, Mixquic, and the Iztapalapa were all peoples invaded and conquered by the Aztecs and angered by their subjugation. They joined the Spanish and assisted in the fall of Tenochtitlan. So you can blame the fall of the Aztecs on their attitudes towards their conquered subjects. “Why we should never let Europeans keep anything”? Let them? You’re letting them keep them? You have no authority in what other countries do with their spoils of war. They won them fair and square five centuries ago. Who exactly do you think you are? Thinking you have any such authority to dictate what other countries do with their possessions?
@@mrkilo-g8794 mexico city is not going to disappear any time soon it’s the oldest city in the entire American continent and it’s still standing it should be in Mexico City a city he once ruled.
Nope, it should just stay in austria, feathers are not a strong material, that crown us like 500 years old, a simple vibration from a car, ship, or plane could ruin or destroy it, that crown won't be on mexican soil anytime soon
@@MrOhio-pn4fx Austria 🇦🇹 had an Austrian emperor in power during the Franco Mexican war of 1863 they’ve stolen the headdress and have kept it until present time.
@@quigpig455 that’s Austria’s problem now, it will come back to Mexico 🇲🇽 and they’re going to figure it out they shouldn’t have taken it to begin with and they had plenty of time to return it.
I saw a video on this mentioning that the headdress was supposedly a gift, which was assumed by some historians or something. Lol! They'll come up with anything nowadays to keep things that don't belong to them. I'm assuming all the artifacts in the British museum were gifts as well. 🤣
i highly doubt its as fragile as they say it is, considering the Aztecs used to do ceremonial dances while wearing theses, i think it could handle being picked up.
@@Vante09 One. The Austrians NEVER offered the headdress to France. It was actually a founding item of the Austrian ethnology museum, so it is unlikely to have ever been offered to anyone else. Two. The headdress of Montezuma DOES have gold on it, over 600 pieces of gold to be exact.
@@wilsonnieves2892 A message had to be sent to all European colonizers that repeatedly tried to invade Mexico. Maximilian was just a guy playing Emperor in a country he had no reason to be in.
@@wilsonnieves2892 He never even managed to take over the whole country so idk what you mean by that. Truth is he was naive to believe the people wanted him and that there was still a place for a European monarchy on side side of the world.
The Crown of Monctezuma is held in a Austrian museum while it is part of the Mexican history and identity. You should give it back. Better a broken Crown in Mexico on the right place, than a crown without its historical and people connection on the wrong place in a Museum in Vienna. BTW: The Crown was already broken and you repaired it with feathers from India. The Gold is only 23 percent original. So this crown is already broken. It belongs better in Mexico. You should not keep it. When will you give it to Mexico>.
@@davidprietogomez7254 because that Gold was Mined in Spain by Spanish backstabbing conquistadors??? My boy u sound ignorant by ure response my country was Built u all destroyed and rebuild on top of our rich culture something Spain don't have besides lisps...
That because it it carefully displayed by competent people. Moving it is a different matter. It stays in place permanently, doesn't mean it won't break if you try doing something to it.
Austria then said we should send them the carriage that was the emperor's as he was austrian. We of course said no because he was a mexican emperor not austrian and as to abide by their rules we want the headdress back
Instead of giving of giving it back to the Mexican government give to the indigenous peoples that are still there to this day it’s their heritage not the governments
Why not use the common spelling of Montezuma? I am his first line descendant. Is that the reason we are looking at do-deny mockery? Or is it another amazing coincidence? Wake up and feel the 5G.... I can. It’s palpable. Incidentally, it was Montezuma who asked Cortes, the conquistador, “how much gold would you like? You don’t have enough ships yet.” Montezuma was a student of history, and if his spirituality recalled, a participant in it. He recalled the lesson of Alexander the Great and the gold taken from Persepolis. The European conquest of the new world was delayed by almost a century due to Montezuma’s decision. Anyone ever read about the history of massive inflation in both post-Alexander Greece or post-Montezuma Spain and then Europe?
several things are fucked up here; nigga you are from quincy massachusetts and every family member of moctezuma lives in Mexico City or Spain, Montezuma is the european spelling have u stopped to consider that the original language pronounced his name that way? also yes Moctezuma was a scholar but of their own recorded history. there is no earthly fucking way this Nahua knew who the greeks were and how Alexander lost his empire. take your meds schizo
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As a Mexican, this sounds like BS to me.
As a Mexican.. how does it feel to know this hat was first classified as a Moorish Hat?
@@BlazeBoxingfunny
@@andresgcoderoilpaz2806 🤣
How does it feel to know that we aren’t Mexican we are indigenous people all of us even the mixed ones with Spanish . We are all still captive due to their mental enslavement and Catholicism .I want all my brothers to know we are intellectual people and we built those pyramids!!!!!
@@BlazeBoxing how does it feel to know the Moorish conquered Spain?
Too Fragile ????
poorest excuse yet........this is 2020 - we can move it without damage !!
Feathers are not a strong material you know, especially if it's 500 years old
@@quigpig455 yeah but its not only feathers they could easy put it in paper avid free then transporting inside a soft feot box and sleve and be sure to pad the pieces of metal so the fetahers wont get peirocer and then slowly put thag i to a creat and have it level during the whole expidition to mexico
@@coquettepastoralprincess You sound like a curator/archivist. Out of curiosity, you have experience doing that?
BS excuse, They can take it with the Glass protected box and have it shipped overseas or in an airport
Oh it can be moved they just refuse to return it to the rightful owners.
Basically the response
The hapsberg princes are descendants of moctezuma.
They should be forced to return the headdress and since they are so concerned about its safety, they should be forced to go with it
That’s nonsense and you’re an idiot. Why should they be forced to return something they acquired legally? And they’re concerned about it’s fragility because it’s 500 years old and made of animal parts. Regardless of whether or not Austrian representatives are with the object, it will still be subject to vibrations from the airplane and will fall apart.
Greatest theft of national treasure.
It should be with my people not another country or ppl 😡😡
Plunder of a defeated enemy. Every place even the Aztecs did the same.
Austria didn’t colonize the Americas. I get the sentiment but why not hate Italy for attacking Germans and French? Why not Hate the English for the harm it did the Irish too? The Iraqis to Iranians. Turkey to the Greek. War is everywhere it’s nonsense to blame modern day people for things done 500 years ago.
@@sboloshis1188 all you did was just point out who went to war with who. All those countries you mentioned are now Allies if not just
@@xhoustonkingx6212 Look at thousands of Chinese artifacts in European museums, auctions, and private collections.
@@xhoustonkingx6212 u down to go get it withme and return it to Mexico?
Mexico needs to hire Danny Ocean and his team to get it back.
Get it back? It was a gift
@@henrylivingstone2971that was a lie that Cortez told. It was not a gift as only leaders and shamans could wear such Headdresses.
NO IT WAS NOT SPAIN STOLE IT LIKE BASTARDS AND GAVE IT AWAY
@@henrylivingstone2971
Austria has to give back this and all other foreign treasuries. They act as if they had no own culture. Do the austrian people in charge want to hand over this highliy valuable heritage without an appropriate packaging or why do they lie that it were too fragile for transportation 😡 I'm ashamed. I hope we Westerners will vanish totally, so that the world can live in peace and freedom.
Viva México. Viva!!!
It’s 500 years old and made of feathers. It’ll fall apart if subjected to the vibrations of an airplane. It’s much too fragile to travel anywhere.
And why does Austria have to give back anything? It’s history. Deal with it. And it’s not a lie that it’s too fragile. A conservator at the Mexico City national museum agreed with the assessment that the headdress is too old and too fragile to undergo air travel.
You’re an idiotic mongrel if you think westerners are responsible for the worlds problems.
Mexico should really do more to try and get this back. How nice, Austria is showing off an artifact that has nothing to do with them.
Foreals
Well i don’t think it matters that it has nothing to do with them , but I do agree that Mexico should try to do more to get it back. The excuse that they used that it’s too fragile to move seems BS. They just don’t want too give it back.
Well honestly no matter what my ppl do they are not gonna give it back unless everyone can help by voicing it sharing post about it or something because no matter what the simple matter is they will jus not give it back unless the ppl of the world help us and make it know that a piece of Mexicos treasure is not in its rightful place where it belongs
@@MissJade805 it matters immensely that the artifact has 0 ti do with Austrian history or culture
@@alexandraalfaro8803 Mexico can do much more than just ask for it back. Show more backbone and declare war if necessary. Are they willing to enter war for the sake of an artifact that is not theirs?? I doubt it.
CRIMINALS. GIVE IT BACK TO MEXICO
The museum collections are belongs to other countries national treasures!!
That’s idiotic
AMLO on behalf of the Indigenous people of Mexico should have demanded its repatriation
Yes he needed more of a backbone 🤦🏻♂️
What can he do though? Send them a strongly worded letter? Unless he's willing to send in special forces to steal it, it's going to remain in Austria.
why does Austria have it wtf
Due to Napoleon III and Maximillan
@@mrkilo-g8794No they’re the reason it almost came back to Mexico. Cortes and the Spanish King Charles V are the reason it’s in Europe
This should be returned to Mexico, and the relevant museum foundation or something can then have it displayed in Mexico, where it belongs, and potentially allow it to travel as part of a Mexican cultural exhibit to other museums for a limited time.
Yep should be in a Mexican museum
@@mrkilo-g8794 I don't understand your comment..
couldn't agree more
It needs to be in Mexico City the city that he once ruled
@@Vante09 yes, as it's home, but does that mean it can't be loaned out to other museums as an exhibition to show other countries about mexican history?
There are many exhibitions that move from country to country, so why not the same here?
If it can't be moved then how'd it get there.
Its bs they even offered it to France national museum but they said no cause the headdress doesn’t have gold in it anymore
@Vante09 that's fucked up.
We need to bring it back even if it is turned to ashes along the way.
It won’t be turned to ashes it’s all bs they just don’t want to give it back
You’re willing to have it destroyed for your petty grievances? That’s pathetic.
@@diegofonseca6708
It will however fall apart. It’s 500 years old and made of animal by products. And held up by animal glue and plant fibers, it will most definitely have deteriorated.
@@henrylivingstone2971 the raiding and decimation of a continent is a pathetic grievance? That kind of thinking is exactly why we should never let Europeans keep anything that was stolen from other cultures… they don’t care about what it really means, to them it’s just a trophy.
@@Bootes_Void
You act as if Europeans were the ONLY people to invade and conquer other peoples. EVERYONE in the entire history of the world has done that! It’s in our nature to subjugate the weak and take advantage! We are a greedy, malicious, selfish species eager to take advantage of each other.
Get off your high horse. The Aztecs conquered lots of their neighbors. How do you think the Spanish conquered the Aztecs? The Spanish regardless of their superior weaponry were still outnumbered, the only reason the Spanish won their fight with the Aztecs is because they recruited native people who were disgruntled by the conquests of the Aztec of their land, culture, and people. Don’t act as if there are good and bad people here, everyone is equally flawed.
Tetzcoco, Otomis, Chalco, Mixquic, and the Iztapalapa were all peoples invaded and conquered by the Aztecs and angered by their subjugation. They joined the Spanish and assisted in the fall of Tenochtitlan. So you can blame the fall of the Aztecs on their attitudes towards their conquered subjects.
“Why we should never let Europeans keep anything”? Let them? You’re letting them keep them? You have no authority in what other countries do with their spoils of war. They won them fair and square five centuries ago. Who exactly do you think you are? Thinking you have any such authority to dictate what other countries do with their possessions?
AUSTRIA QUIT THE BULLSHIT GIVE THE PENACHO BACK TO WHO IT BELONGS TO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING NICE TO DO, PLEASE RESPECT
I'm still pissed this is not in Mexico City.
Mexico City is sinking I think Jaslico or somewhere else should have it
@@mrkilo-g8794 mexico city is not going to disappear any time soon it’s the oldest city in the entire American continent and it’s still standing it should be in Mexico City a city he once ruled.
It was a gift to the Spanish king
Very convenient excuse.
That belongs to us in Mexico.
We’re telling you,not asking you that headdress belongs to our ancestors and it will be returned!
Give it back, colonizers.
Nope, it should just stay in austria, feathers are not a strong material, that crown us like 500 years old, a simple vibration from a car, ship, or plane could ruin or destroy it, that crown won't be on mexican soil anytime soon
@@MrOhio-pn4fx Austria 🇦🇹 had an Austrian emperor in power during the Franco Mexican war of 1863 they’ve stolen the headdress and have kept it until present time.
@@quigpig455 that’s Austria’s problem now, it will come back to Mexico 🇲🇽 and they’re going to figure it out they shouldn’t have taken it to begin with and they had plenty of time to return it.
I saw a video on this mentioning that the headdress was supposedly a gift, which was assumed by some historians or something. Lol! They'll come up with anything nowadays to keep things that don't belong to them. I'm assuming all the artifacts in the British museum were gifts as well. 🤣
Erm, theres actual decendents of him in Spain one of them being the Duke of Moctezuma de Tultengo. So yes it could have been a gift.
It's not even theirs to begin with 😒
Please figure out a way to transport it safely back to Mexico and it’s people it’s land 😔
Mexico should send foos to go get it and bring in aboard a airplane
We NEED it back in its homeland
It belongs in MÉXICO 🇲🇽
Wtf is doing in Austria that belongs in MEXICO
i highly doubt its as fragile as they say it is, considering the Aztecs used to do ceremonial dances while wearing theses, i think it could handle being picked up.
Obviously they even offered it to France national museum but they said no cause the headdress does not longer have the pieces of gold in it
Not the emperor's
@@Vante09; they couldn't have been that greedy!
@@Vante09
One. The Austrians NEVER offered the headdress to France. It was actually a founding item of the Austrian ethnology museum, so it is unlikely to have ever been offered to anyone else.
Two. The headdress of Montezuma DOES have gold on it, over 600 pieces of gold to be exact.
@@potita24
They weren’t because Vante just told you a fake story they made up
Disgraceful
Would be a shame if it somehow got stolen and ended up in Mexico again...😏
It should and will stay in Austria. This is your punishment for the execution of Maximilian I. He was an "Evil Imperialist", huh? Please.
@@wilsonnieves2892 A message had to be sent to all European colonizers that repeatedly tried to invade Mexico. Maximilian was just a guy playing Emperor in a country he had no reason to be in.
@@Cruck10 Right, you keep telling yourself that. Ironically, the country was better off under Maximillian
@@wilsonnieves2892 He never even managed to take over the whole country so idk what you mean by that. Truth is he was naive to believe the people wanted him and that there was still a place for a European monarchy on side side of the world.
the thief would ruin the very fragile crown
Translation , Their egos are too fragile
Austria gave back all of Albanians artifacts for our 100th year anniversary in 2012 :) 😍🇦🇱✝️🇦🇱😍
That belongs to Mexico
No it doesn’t
It belonged to the Aztecs who gave it to Spain. It's too fragile to move.
@@cezar211091you think we really going to believe that they killed have the people raped robed Brought rats and smallpox.
Yet mummy's get moved all the time.
Guys looking out for mustaches and sombreros 😂
This must be returned to Mexico immediately
Lapdog to the US
They would probably destroy it and call it a accident if it was gifted back to Mexico. No history having mthfkrs.
Give it back you Europeans marauders.
It wouldn’t need to be moved if it was stolen to begin with…
See, whites
Yes we see whites in Mexican media because you’re all ashamed of your native roots
The Crown of Monctezuma is held in a Austrian museum while it is part of the Mexican history and identity. You should give it back. Better a broken Crown in Mexico on the right place, than a crown without its historical and people connection on the wrong place in a Museum in Vienna. BTW: The Crown was already broken and you repaired it with feathers from India. The Gold is only 23 percent original. So this crown is already broken. It belongs better in Mexico. You should not keep it. When will you give it to Mexico>.
As a Mexican this calls for war.
We should olso Make Spain Return al The gold That Covers all there Churchs in Spain.
Gold belonged to Spain by all laws of the time, and actually it was invested in building your country.
@@davidprietogomez7254 because that Gold was Mined in Spain by Spanish backstabbing conquistadors???
My boy u sound ignorant by ure response my country was Built u all destroyed and rebuild on top of our rich culture something Spain don't have besides lisps...
It cannot be moved. Then how did it get there in the first place 500 years ago.
I’m Moctezuma’s 16th great-grandson.
Too fragile? Are you threatening to damage it if Mexico tries to get it back?
move the entire box dont take it out we'll pay for your glass box
That's bull. Anyways that beautiful piece needs peace in Mexico where it belongs..
Robbers give back what is not yours
Straight BS. It should of never left its homeland and people.
Fragile my ass, if fragile there will be feathers missing and all over that display, looks fully intact to be really fragile
That because it it carefully displayed by competent people. Moving it is a different matter. It stays in place permanently, doesn't mean it won't break if you try doing something to it.
@@cezar211091 they just don't want to give it back to mexico
@@DanielHernandez-cm3om the museum authorities in Mexico said it will break.
@cezar211091 there's still ways, not trying hard enough and not the mexican authority's who said that
The feathered serpent will come one day and take it back to tenochtitlan , mark my words ..
Ladrones devuelvan eso no les pertenece-!!!!
Montezuma never wore the hat but either way..... Run that back to us
Please contact Lopez Obrador and have it returned already.
Isn't he going to step out of office soon.?
@@robertomoreno5526 think so, soon.
@antoniomartinezJAM I'm not to sure just saying.
GIVE IT BACK TO MEXICO WHERE IT BELONGS !!!
Just to let you guys Know the Austrians tried getting back to Austria the Emperor Maximilian's chariot but Mexico Refused
Maximilian also refused to leave Mexico when he was offered an escort when he knew the whole country was revolting against him
😂😂😂
The current Mexican president offered the carriage to them instead of the headdress but they said no because they already have to many of them.
Fina repeat that black panther museum scene
We can have it back we should burn it
Bring back home stolen treasures
Theives of old generation of crooks murderous bandits
Austria then said we should send them the carriage that was the emperor's as he was austrian. We of course said no because he was a mexican emperor not austrian and as to abide by their rules we want the headdress back
bring it back.
Just return it back where it belongs
Nicholas cage enters the room 😁
They have a thriving Narco-State and BMW plant to maintain. Austrians are more capable.
Give it back you thieves shame on you
BS excuses. Tbey need to return it
Beautiful
Criminales, regresen los bienes nacionales de México
Instead of giving of giving it back to the Mexican government give to the indigenous peoples that are still there to this day it’s their heritage not the governments
A better idea instead of being used as a political tool.
Lol
Why not use the common spelling of Montezuma? I am his first line descendant. Is that the reason we are looking at do-deny mockery? Or is it another amazing coincidence? Wake up and feel the 5G.... I can. It’s palpable. Incidentally, it was Montezuma who asked Cortes, the conquistador, “how much gold would you like? You don’t have enough ships yet.” Montezuma was a student of history, and if his spirituality recalled, a participant in it. He recalled the lesson of Alexander the Great and the gold taken from Persepolis. The European conquest of the new world was delayed by almost a century due to Montezuma’s decision. Anyone ever read about the history of massive inflation in both post-Alexander Greece or post-Montezuma Spain and then Europe?
several things are fucked up here; nigga you are from quincy massachusetts and every family member of moctezuma lives in Mexico City or Spain, Montezuma is the european spelling have u stopped to consider that the original language pronounced his name that way? also yes Moctezuma was a scholar but of their own recorded history. there is no earthly fucking way this Nahua knew who the greeks were and how Alexander lost his empire. take your meds schizo
Moctezuma*
and am his reincarnation. it has left trauma on my soul. can u imagine. not going to reveal my source.
👌🤏🤌👆
belongs in mexico !!
Austria give back the moctezuma penacho belongs to MEXICO🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Bastards have stolen lots of treasures,
Rats