Despite the Pharaoh's boasts, it sounds like Egypt made a compromise with the invaders, giving them a swath of land on the frontier, bribing them, and getting some kind of fealty in return. A bit like the French did with the Normans, or what the Romans did with some invading tribes they couldn't quite deal with. Not so much utterly destroying them in war, as claimed.
That frequently seem to be the case with very ancient records. They didn't have the concept of writing history, they wrote pure propaganda. Even humiliating defeats were recast as victories.
@@brucetucker4847 - Yeah. We see an example of that, specifically regarding ancient Egypt and their battle against the Hittites at Kadesh. The pharaoh's later propaganda portrayed it as an Egyptian victory, despite being initially surprised and overrun, but they didn't actually gain the area they had been fighting for. A peace was made but the local area was retained by Hatti afterward.
@Mari Jata Even the greatest empires occasionally lose. Strong empires are resilient, they can survive the occasional defeat. Whether the Egyptians won or lost that battle, their empire had more staying power and outlasted the invaders. You see the same thing with Rome later on: Rome's strength wasn't that it never lost a battle, it was that when it did lose it was always able to recover and eventually win the war. You're acting like a fanboy, saying that Egypt was so awesome it's impossible it ever lost a battle. That's a very silly and juvenile attitude.
@Mari Jata Read the discussion above as to why people think the Egyptians may have lost the battle. And you're still taking the juvenile attitude that the bigger, stronger, better, whatever country couldn't lose a battle. Winning or losing one minor battle wasn't going to end the Egyptian Empire.
When archaeologist reached the early Philistine level of Ashkelon it became evident that these people were if Minoan/Mycenaean decent due to the artwork on their pottery, clothing styles and other pieces found, after the eruption of Hera the Minoans were devastated due to their ports cities and fleets being destroyed by the tsunamis that hit them during the and after the eruption, not long after the Mycenaean's came and conquered them and took over.
@@petergeorge3894 Pelasgians, Minoans, Myceneans take your pick but they were definitely from the area today we know as Ancient Greece. The cultivation of olives is also an indicator of where they originated from... Greece!
@@petergeorge3894 I've met Palestinians who said "We are the ancient Philistines and we live in this land before Hebrews came here". The ancient Philistines came from Minoans, Myceneans and Cyclades cultures and they were before the Hebrews come. The Hebrews came from the Mongolian steps - thousand of years ago.
This is a fascinating theory and there is some archaeological evidence for it. I don't think it was a full migration though, based on the artwork style migration. Minoan frescoes were very elaborate and VERY expensive to paint, indeed after the Minoan's declined, the frescoes in their old territory deteriorate in quality and style. This means the people who moved were wealthy and most likely former Minoan nobility who took their artisans, scholars, and craftsman with them. Likewise, the Mycenaeans probably didn't "conquer" through arms alone. Marriage alliances, unbalanced trade agreements, reconstruction projects were also forms of soft power the Mycenaeans probably used; let's not forget that the palaces on Crete that were destroyed were rebuilt in short order, probably with Mycenaean labor and assistance...Do you think they did that all for free? The Mycenaeans were probably used as mercenary troops for the Minoans too, so we could see it as a clash of sophisticated urbanized cosmopolitans vs. hard fighting rough warriors. Indeed, after the Mycenaean takeover the Linear B tablets show a gradual but steady uptick in slave raids. The Mycenaeans transplanted their form of economic growth to Minoan-style sea logistics, vastly expanding their abilities to go after other people. Before, they probably had to get approval for raids from the Minoans who controlled the sea lanes, thus keeping them in check (hence why Mycenaean growth was rather modest for centuries until the Minoans fell). Once that check was gone, the Mycenaeans ran amok in the Mediterranean (along with other tribes like the Sardinians who wanted a piece of the action). The reliefs don't show traditional Mycenaean or Minoan warriors because they would have hired local/non-Greek forces...At best, the Minoans would have only give them ships, hence why the warriors are clearly not Greek but the ships are. I also think the destruction of the Philistines was an internal revolution, as the rulers were foreigners who probably treated the locals quite badly as time went on. They brought foreign gods, foreign ideas, and foreign rulers and did so with foreign soldiers to hold on to what little power they had left after they lost Crete. The Bible makes mention of the Philistines being particularly cruel to the Hebrews. I imagine that having your homeland destroyed by a natural disaster and conquered by a warlord culture would have a profound effect on the culture and psyche of those left behind. They probably felt the gods had abandoned them. If the human sacrifice evidence on Crete is any suggestion, they were desperate and probably willing to commit to some pretty atrocious behavior. The Greek legends also talk about the old kings committing quite horrible acts (cannibalism, human sacrifice, disrespecting the gods) to explain why the old kingdoms fell and the new (Mycenaean) heroes came to the forefront. The traditions hint at the truth but without being able to read Linear A, we will never really have a solid answer as to what happened.
I'm so excited with the way your channel is growing! It makes me happy to see so many people recognizing your quality and hard work. You're videos are so informative and educational! I'm always waiting with excited anticipation to see what you'll cover next.
One theory is that the tribe of Dan were Danaens (an archaic Greek name for themselves). Greek populations were likely trying to relocate into the Levant after a number of cataclysmic stresses on the Greek mainland. And Pharaohs employed a number of these foreign peoples as mercenaries. Most cities in the Levant likely had growing communities of these foreigners. Egypt did since the Middle Kingdom, i.e. the Sea Peoples weren’t really just a sudden phenomena.
Their name betrays their pedigree. Philistine --> Filiston --> Filinstone --> Flintstone. A confederacy of the Fredor, Wilmae, Barrna and Betirub. United through the worship of Yahbadab Adu.
Hey, Cy! Thank you so much for producing such interesting videos. Each one of them touches a topic I am curious about and you give a lot of detail while keeping it entertaining. Keep up the good work and thanks again!
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback, really appreciate it and my pleasure. What you wrote is pretty much the goal of this channel, so thank YOU for stopping by and taking an interest in all this. More to come, stay safe!
@@momoffour5885 they have 50% Greek dna. Ancient Greece went on a conquest with Alexander the Great. The people in the area of Israel, the Philistines and the Canaanites, were a mix of Greeks, Egyptians and Iranians.
Here from ‘The Histocrat.’ Great video! Also, I’d love it if you can also do long, detailed documentaries. I’m the kind of person who likes to hear long, detailed monologues on historical and archaeological topics.
Yeah there will be some longer episodes to come. That's why I started doing podcasts and them also publishing them here... I actually prefer it but I've seen in the analytics and from talking to other people on YT that most people have a short attention span... after for videos, even history ones, is about 7 minutes. I'll do my best though to do a balance of long and short videos. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!
Thanks for the feedback and glad that you notice a difference! Will do my best to keep on improving it as much as possible. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
Thank you very much for this very informative video about the Philistines ! More success to your endeavors in both personal and professional capacities !
Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Wow, glad it helped...I wish we had studied Nuragic civ when I was school. I actually just learned about it fairly recently due to some viewers writing to me about it. More to come, thanks again for the support and stay safe!
Which school teaches about the Nuragic civilization? I’m from America and I didn’t learn about the Nuragic people until they were featured on an episode of Forbidden History.
Thanks, glad you like them! Here's a video I did recently that includes Moab: ua-cam.com/video/8letIrov_Ds/v-deo.html Any questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it!
@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG it seems until now they still sacrifice babies they are demon possesed that the God of israel gave them over to the jews to root them out but then until now they're still doing the pagan rituals of killing babies...what do you think?
They cannot be Greeks from Crete as I have done an ancient DNA test I'm showing up as DNA from isralite graves from 980bc about king David solamons time and only 3 percent philastine most of my DNA from tombs with some DNA from cannanites as well but very little philastine DNA I'm from Greek Cyprus a lot of our DNA is lost tribe of Israel to modern judha and Jews of today with menoans as for back as 4500 bc
Ok, but the Greeks were known to be pirates, weren't they ? Perhaps a famine or something caused these experienced pirates to join forces with others and lead the way across the Mediteranean to gain land or something? Could be my imagination inventing a story, of course.
Genetic analysis of pig remains in philistine areas shows that the pigs were brought in from Europe. And the contemporary israelites didn't eat pork, although wild boar is a native to the land.
Other Canaanites in the same area ate pork though. the presence or absence of pig bones is the easiest way to distinguish very early Hebrew sites from contemporaneous Canaanite sites.
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Very true, seen a lot of wild boar hiking in the north of israel. Impressive that the Israelites\Jews denied themselves such delicious abundance, they are huge!
@@maqwaybaran9905 And that's when you realise that philistine ≠ palestinian. The roman provinces Syria and Judaea were merged and renamed *"Syria Palaestina"* in 135 AD, after the Bar Kokhba revolt. This name stuck all the way through the Ottoman period. So in other words, the jews in the area were "palestinians", just as the muslims and christians (and samaritans and others). The modern use of the word "palestinian" as a non-jew only emerged after Israel was created in 1948.
They might have been Greeks (or maybe Eteocretans) Pelasgoi could be related to Peleset. They arrived after the sea peoples and pottery seems to match. Their language was not Semitic
The "Danuna" mentioned are also likely mainland Greek tribes. I recall some mention of them, and other terms like Danaan, being mentioned by Hittites and some in Asia Minor from the period. There has also been evidence found of ancient Sardinians wearing the same kind of helms with curved horns on their own island, as depicted in parts of the Egyptian art which some were wearing. They're believed to likely be the "Shekelesh" referred to.
@@NefariousKoel I think you are confusing shekelesh and shardana. Sheklesh are theorized to come from Siciliy but i think it is only based on name similiarity.
@@Mr.ZooYYa Okay that has little to do with what I said. I was replying to someone saying they were Africans. Canaanites we’re semites not Sub-Saharan Africans.
So very interesting! So that’s how the Philistines / Peleset came to be in Canaan! Rameses settled them there in return for vassalage, in order to keep them from hassling Egypt. Now it all makes sense. Thank you, Cy, for your fascinating presentation of the Papyrus Harris and the wall paintings at Medinet Habu, which supply so much historical context to the well known Biblical accounts. It’s like missing pieces of a jigsaw, or a join the dots puzzle. I visited the Bible Lands Museum in Jerusalem three years ago, when they had a big exhibition of the latest excavations of Canaanite and Philistine settlements, uncovering many of the lifestyle details you touch upon. Interestingly, the Hebrew word for iron is “barzel”, very obviously not a Hebrew word, indicating that iron technology was imported, ie by the Philistines. The Philistine superior metal technology gave them literally an edge over the Hebrews, which is why the emergence of young David was so momentous.
Whether ironworking is an imported technology or not, the word "barzel" sounds Hebrew, at least superficially ( "[thing] that has the property of [whatever "zel" means]"). Also there's no other language with a word for iron that's similar to it (that I know of anyway). In fact, most languages seem to have their own unique words for it; eizen, ferrum, iron, zhelezo, hadid, tjomjor...not much similarity between them.
It sounds plausible, even though i have to say - if the Philistines had great ironworking, they must've developed it already in Canaan. If they had any of it during the Battle of the Nile or earlier, it wouldn't have made sense. Even the strongest empires back then were still using bronze, iron would take a while to start being used on a large enough scale to support an army, not to mention that if any of the Sea People had iron weapons, the Egyptians definitely wouldn't have survived the battle of the Delta.. so what i'm saying is, Philistine ironworking, if it existed, wasn't "imported" but rather developed in Philistia by them. Also, I'd love to hear your reasoning for the word "barzel" not sounding Hebrew.
Fascinating video, Cy. I was thinking that Cyrus' policy with his jewish subjects helped them preserve their identity. Did he also let Philistines return to their homes? If so, what do you think differentiates them from the Hebrews such that the latter were successful at maintaining a distinct identity?
Hey, I know I'm not Cy, but just came across something in the expedition reports from Ashkelon. According to Lawrence Stager, who directed the excavations at Ashkelon for years, the Philistines never returned from exile. When Ashkelon was resettled, it was actually Phoenician colonists, not ethnic Philistines. As far as the distinct identity, good question! As a christian, I want to say that their faith in God helped them stay distinct, but there were probably a lot of other factors too. The Philistines had already been incorporating other cultures for awhile, so maybe they were just more open to change?
@@bensweeney7855 Thanks Ben - I think we agree, I surmise that a monotheistic religion separates you in that time and region, the Philistines probably found more common ground with the Mesopotamian pantheon of gods and did not see a stark contradiction to their own beliefs
Love your videos:-) Also I love your choice of music in every video you make. Just wanted to mention one thing, the bible never mentions the Philistines as backwards or unciviliced. But as enemies of Israel. The bible also indicate that there is many philistines living in Israel, living among them as friends/husbands/wives. (Kinda similar to the Roman and the Greek situation before greece was conquered by Rome).
Just to add to that. In many confrontations with Israel, the Philistines are described as the superior force with large cities and temples. By the reign of Saul, the philistines had established garrisons in Israelite territory preventing the nation from making their own weapons in forges and forcing them to rely on the Philistine smiths to sharpen their metal agricultural tools. So in truth, archeaology is once again confirming the biblical account of the coastal nation of the philistines being a quite modern nation for the time, polytheistic, and many times, an enemy of Israel.
Rome was actually conquered, as the whole world by Hellenes (Greeks) my good friend.If you decide to answer to what l'm writing,please just use your own language and not a Hellenic (Greek) word 😉😂😂😂
The Bible says the Philistines emigrated from the Island of Crete and also says they were a race of blonde people. The Philistines have nothing to do with the Palestinians of today. The Philistines were ransacked and oblitarated by Nebuchanezar.
Another great episode Cy, so who were Philistines?, yes the theory is that they came from Crete, but from which group of people they were?, Mycaneans ruled for a long time Crete and mixed with local Minoan population, are they this mix or they were some third isolate group who also lived on the island? off the topic the design of there hats is so interesting it always reminds me on some Polynesian peoples :D
Yes i am polynesian n i kept looking at their headdress which is made from feathers. It says they are Sea People. Polynesians are labelled as. Sea People. Their advanced navigation skills. Also look at the headdress again and the mayans, the Aztecs..The Taiwanese where they said the Polynesia originated from.. history is a mystery.. someone wrote a paper about minoans and Samoans . There was a lot of movements of people. No one knew about the Pacific Ocean then. Fascinating to read about the philistines.
It seems like you've mentioned the word "פשת" (Peshet) in Hebrew. This word typically means "flax" in English. Flax is a plant known for its fibers, which are used to make linen, and its seeds, which can be used for various purposes, including oil and food.
reading the text at 2:58 , i can't imagine the egyptian scribes mistaking so much about geography: i mean could they see a straight line with " Hatti, Qode, Carchemish, Arzawa, Alashiya" ? i don't think so. However if we read "Hatti, Qode,Carchemish"+"Arzawa, Alashiya" we have two groups converging on Amurru (southern Syria) one by land and one by sea, and it works well.
Bruh, there weren't sattelites and most of the people didn't travel, also there is symbolism to be put in count. The scribes weren't thinking about contemporary historians wanting to know every detail about it.
@@Tabuleiro. , i agree about symbolism and giving vague idea about origins of the foes ; however Egyptians were better to itineraries than you think : the one example i get in mind is the itinerary engraved on a statue of Amenophis 3rd about travels from Egypt to crete and peloponese and coming back via crete again (watch the lecture of Eric Cline about bronze age collaps for more details about this text ) so they had good knowledges about seafaring travels.
Curiously, before i was watching this video, i was reading the 1st Book of Samuel, that makes references to the battles and interactions of the Israelite people with the Philistines. A nicely done video, by the way ;)
Good news Cy. I have Twitter now. I can finally join your comunity on a larger scale I can't wait Lately I have been too occupied to watch your videos with the same frequency of before... And I am very sorry for that, cause I love this channel and what you do... I'll go back to comment frequently very soon....
No worries my friend, just glad leave a remark whenever you want, always good to hear your views. Haha I don't really use twitter all that much, just usually post when I publish a new video or a cool photo or work of art. Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it! Hope all is well in Italia!
@@HistorywithCy Thank you for your kind words. I am serious, thank you. You are ALWAYS so kind. I don't mind if you don't post that much. I'll be glad to see what you post and, possibly, support you there too You are free to check some of my stuff too if you like, I did not post a lot of pics for now... But whatever😂 I am glad that you appreciate my presence here. And I hope that all is well in the U.S. I wish to go there someday, who knows, maybe I'll meet you in real life. Everything is possible. See you soon friend. 👋
Thanks for the response. Oh do you have a channel or site? I'd love to check out your stuff as well. Yeah it's getting better in the US but cases are still high. I don't know though what it'll be like in a couple of months when flu season is in full swing... it's expected to spike again. Thanks again for your insightful comments, appreciate them!
If every one wants to make his own explanation and base his information about how he likes and bible .... ( which historically not viable ) is very big problem !! This is not a scientific way !! Etymology could have millions of interpretations....
Here is the interesting question. The video claims that Rameses settled and gave them land in Southwestern Canaan. How can Rameses III do that? Is the video admitting that the land (Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod) was Ancient Egyptian land?
Oh I love that place... been there twice wasn't enough. I would have visited this past summer if not for c19. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. More to come, stay safe!
That place is full of stolen artifacts and should not be praised. These items should be returned and there is nothing British about this museum full of non British artifacts
Because that piece of land owned by the Original Plishtim, all the Judea and Samaria was called so by the Romans. Most of local citizens are Ottoman, and most of them arrived at the Mid of the 19th Century and after at the same time when the Jews started also to arrive back to their homeland.
@Joakim von Anka Phoenicians are the ancestors of Carthaginians. Same people that made settlements on the Iberian Peninsula. So, it would make sense logically concerning the results.
The Bible never depicts the Philistines as barbaric or un-cultured. Quite the opposite... They were described as having advanced weaponry, an organized military, being a wealthy nation, and building great cities. It was the simplistic interpretation of political fools representing the church at that time.
According to the bible, the nation was founded very early on, after the legendary flood, by people of crete (minoans or sea people). Even when Abraham immigrated to canaan, phillistines where allready there; (before 2000 BC). But i bet culturally speaking, they assimilated the local canaanite culture and spoke and dressed as canaanites rather than minoan/sea people's.
@troy stevens Being a Semite simply means one is descent from Shem. Which means Many nations came out of Shem including Wight People, Arabs, East Indians African Americans etc.
Philistines are Canaanites. You got a wrong discussion. Later on, canaanites spread abroad, they settled in Cadiz or Gadier in Spain in modern days. They are one of the ancestry of Greeks, Romans, and some Europeans.
Philistines aren't Canaanites. They are nomadic pastoralists basically. The Philistines had technologically more advance cities and bigger cities and architecturally sophisticated cities compared to the Canaanites. Now Intermarriage has happened. So many Philistines have Canaanite blood. Infact most did. But they don't identify as Canaanites.
@@madsuramilitaryallianceupd6388 Ham and Shem never existed XD hahahahahaha oh my God lol Hahahahaha Philistines come from Mediterranean Islands. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL I mean the Canaanites in 2000 BC were basically nomads and Shepherds and herders and pastoralists with only a few cities. On the coast we have Greek level Advance cities with technology and more cities and more population. LOL
8:00 Samuel 1 chapter 17. The account of how Saul commissioned David to slay the Gathite warrior Goliath is clearly stated as having happened in the Hebrew year 2869, which is 892BC. When considering that Samuel wrote this down in that year and it went on record in the Tanakh, why would one just glaze over that fact and act as though archaeology is regnant in our understandings of the period?
mildly interesting fact about the island of Kaphtor (כפתור) in biblical hebrew the word means bud (of a flower) in modern hebrew - a button Crete (כרתים) is also directly referenced as the origin of the philistines
"dagan" is a Hebrew word - today meaning "grain" in a general sense: rice and wheat are different types of "dagan". This points to the deity Dagan, which as you said was very popular in Philistine society, being imported from neighboring Canaanite peoples, which is a neat bit of evidence to the cultural exchange the Philistines underwent after settling in southwestern Canaan.
It is very interesting to note that while a particular group of people or nationality retain their racial & physical profiles,their custom & tradition are radically altered & changed by their victorious opponents or conquerors! Religion ,for example,can be imposed by the dominating & powerful foreign rulers. However, there remain a segment of the conquered people who still retain the original beliefs,customs and practices particularly if the land is not totally controlled by foreign rulers. It is of utmost important that those" minority group " be accorded the right to practise their beliefs and religion as long as it does not undermine & threathen the ruling power . That's what we owe to the Persian & Roman Empires whose system of government ,law & culture are still very much the foundation of modern Western society. Other dominant faith - or religeous -based foreign powers exist today solely for its own economic & political survival . I don't believe they would lasts because it is rooted in oppression and exploitation of conquered people.
@@leandrobaluyotjr5181 Very well said! I wouldn't be praising the Romans as much though, despite the religious tolerance they'd find other reasons to massacre a foreign people if they wanted to.
Why don't people really talk about the likely reality of what occurred? The "Bronze Age Collapse" was similar in some ways to the crusades over 2000 years later, except (probably) not religious based but more economic based. The Philistines were Greek colonists who set up a Mycenaean-like culture in the Levant, eventually becoming somewhat Canaanized over time, before being conquered somewhat by the Hebrews and fully conquered by the Assyrians, Babylonians & Persians, and we're fully assimilated during the Hellenization of the region after Alexander the Great conquered it.
Thera or Santorini. When the volcano exploded in 1600bc. It destroyed coastal cities because of tsunamis, the ash destroyed crops and covered everything around it. Apparently the ash clouds were so thick it blocked out the sun and crops from further away also failed. It plunged the area into a mini ice age that also weakened the area. Move 3 to 4 hundred years after you have the Trojan war. Where we know many different tribes from all over Greece came on boats. After 10 years of fighting and finally destroying the city. The soldiers might have gone on a sacking spree. So at this period we have mass migration and large groups of military personnel all around the Mediterranean. the one group of sea people are the Weshesh. Could be from Wilusa or Troy. Sherden could be Sardinia, Peleset could be the Pelasgians, Denyen could be the Dannans or Danaoi, Shekelesh could be Sicily. All Greek tribes. Also around this time. The Northern Greeks the Dorians started to raid the southern Mycenean states. This also could have been a catalyst for the attack on Troy or the rest of the Mediterranean.
Interesting fact about the large number of civilians, including women, following with their armies as they (Sea Peoples) invaded other lands. If they were out looking for new lands to settle in case of the Peleset, what drove them to flee Crete? (If they had indeed come from there). Must have been some kind of large scale cataclysm or an invasion of their own lands? Or was it over population or civil war, guess we'll never know.
There wasn't Palestine lol, it never existed till Romans renamed Judea as syria-palestine to punish Jews for the revolts, Arabs/Islam weren't in the picture till 7th century. @@christoschristos7805
I've always been confused by what I've read. Are the Philistines the same as the Phoenicians and then the Carthaginians? Probably not but, as I said, I get confused by what I've read as they always hint at these things.
It is confusing so don’t feel bad. I had a similar issue with Assyria, Babylon and the various -mite civilizations. From what I know both the Philistines and the Phoenicians were thought to be descendants of the Sea Peoples. However, not the same group in the same area. The Philistines settled in Palestine, the Phoenicians in the Levant. The Carthaginian are descendants of the Phoenicians. Someone can maybe provide more info or corrections.
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yes, it can be confusing because there are so many different groups living within such a small coastal strip of land. The two are indeed different, the Philistines being from what is today in and around the Gaza strip and the Phoenicians once occupying what's today mostly Lebanon and parts of northwestern Syria. Here's a video I did on the Phoenicians some time back: ua-cam.com/video/HUel6zUz8GU/v-deo.html Any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks and stay safe!
Based on the material culture left behind by the Philistines, they had more in common with the Mycenaeans and Minoans of pre-classical Greece then the Canaanites or Phoenicians who were native to the Levant. Examples of Philistine culture include pottery and architecture that are similar to early Greeks. The Philistines did adopt some parts of Near Eastern culture such as the worship of the Mesopotamian fertility god Dagon and working as mercenaries for the Egyptians.
The Phoenicians show a lot of cultural continuity with the northern Levantine Canaanites of the late bronze age like Ugarit. The most likely case is that they were the same people who lived there before the bronze age collapse.
Maybe it's because I've been playing Total War Troy but has anybody connected the Philistines, the Pelesut with the Pelasgians? Also with the Danuna with the Danannans of Greece? If the Philistines did come from Crete as the bible says maybe the Pelasgians is a more accurate term for the Cretans (Minoans). Sounds crackpot I know but just noticing similarities.
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We know why the Myceneans and Menoan civilizations collapsed. The Myceneans and the Menoans were always competing with each other and there were skirmishes and they did things to spit eachother to try to hurt eachother's economies. Eventually the Menoans were infected with a plague and then volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. The Myceneans took advantage of these incidents and invaded and destroyed them. What was left of them left the island. The destruction of Menoa eventually hurt the Myceneans because it hurt their economy as they lost a trading parter. Now the Myceneans began to decline economically and were then invaded by a barbarian tribe called the Dorians. When the calamity and invasions ended the Dorians set up city state and would begin the Greek city state period.
@@tudorm6838 well the official date for the collapse of the Myceneans was 1180 BC, that's just 180 years before the supposed invasion of the Dorians. It could be they are 180 years off or it could be that some remnant of the civilization survived and then were finally finished off when the Dorians invaded.
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Your videos are awesome but I watch alot of this kind of stuff at 2x speed to get double the information for the same time but your voice is hard to track at double speed .
I've seen from many other sources that the Philistines predate the Pelesets, and that the Pelesets successfully conquered the Philistines around the 500BCE's, this has been confirmed by archeological discoveries in various Pelesets towns where the nature of locally produced pottery changes styles around this time, this indicates a sudden and dramatic change of culture which fortifies the theory that the Pelests conquered the Philistines.
Fascinating, enriching; just what I've come to expect from Cy. I've long wondered about who the Philistines were. I have a lot of questions and wonderings about this, and the Sumerians and Akkadians. Cy has much to offer on all of this and I have been working my way through it all. I noticed that the Philistines were settled around the Gaza strip. I wonder what results a genetic sampling of that region would tell us. Are the Philistines the ancestors of the Palestinians? Because... it would be ... interesting if they were, considering what's been going on there.
Many of the Palestinians are actually descended from the ancient hebrews. In the early common era they converted to Christianity. After the sixth century most of them would eventually convert to Islam. But their ancient ancestors were largely comprised of hebrews who mixed with Greek, byzantine, Arab, and even some crusader blood. Not to get political but it could be argued that they have more legitimate claim to the land than modern jews, Ashkenazi or otherwise.
What bullshit! All Palestinians testify that they are fully Arabs... and their culture is exactly the same as the culture of the Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula.. There is no connection between the Arabs and the ancient Hebrews@@doctorsartorius
@@johnkulpowich5260: The Philistines were 'townspeople', they were settled down as Egyptian vassals. They occupied the 'five' coastal cities. The Hebrews were the nomads, they were in fact, 'goat herding, Canaanite hillbillies'!!! The Hebrews have no actual history before the arrival of the Sea Peoples!!!!!
Despite the Pharaoh's boasts, it sounds like Egypt made a compromise with the invaders, giving them a swath of land on the frontier, bribing them, and getting some kind of fealty in return.
A bit like the French did with the Normans, or what the Romans did with some invading tribes they couldn't quite deal with.
Not so much utterly destroying them in war, as claimed.
That frequently seem to be the case with very ancient records. They didn't have the concept of writing history, they wrote pure propaganda. Even humiliating defeats were recast as victories.
@@brucetucker4847 - Yeah. We see an example of that, specifically regarding ancient Egypt and their battle against the Hittites at Kadesh. The pharaoh's later propaganda portrayed it as an Egyptian victory, despite being initially surprised and overrun, but they didn't actually gain the area they had been fighting for. A peace was made but the local area was retained by Hatti afterward.
@Mari Jata Did somebody upset your bias? 🙄
@Mari Jata Even the greatest empires occasionally lose. Strong empires are resilient, they can survive the occasional defeat. Whether the Egyptians won or lost that battle, their empire had more staying power and outlasted the invaders. You see the same thing with Rome later on: Rome's strength wasn't that it never lost a battle, it was that when it did lose it was always able to recover and eventually win the war. You're acting like a fanboy, saying that Egypt was so awesome it's impossible it ever lost a battle. That's a very silly and juvenile attitude.
@Mari Jata Read the discussion above as to why people think the Egyptians may have lost the battle. And you're still taking the juvenile attitude that the bigger, stronger, better, whatever country couldn't lose a battle. Winning or losing one minor battle wasn't going to end the Egyptian Empire.
When archaeologist reached the early Philistine level of Ashkelon it became evident that these people were if Minoan/Mycenaean decent due to the artwork on their pottery, clothing styles and other pieces found, after the eruption of Hera the Minoans were devastated due to their ports cities and fleets being destroyed by the tsunamis that hit them during the and after the eruption, not long after the Mycenaean's came and conquered them and took over.
Philistine headdress/helmets do not look like Greek ones from the Bronze Age.
@@petergeorge3894 Pelasgians, Minoans, Myceneans take your pick but they were definitely from the area today we know as Ancient Greece. The cultivation of olives is also an indicator of where they originated from... Greece!
recent dna research the Pelesti were from southern greece , over 300 years they migrated changed language, "The Kargon" a very tall peoples.
@@petergeorge3894 I've met Palestinians who said "We are the ancient Philistines and we live in this land before Hebrews came here". The ancient Philistines came from Minoans, Myceneans and Cyclades cultures and they were before the Hebrews come. The Hebrews came from the Mongolian steps - thousand of years ago.
This is a fascinating theory and there is some archaeological evidence for it. I don't think it was a full migration though, based on the artwork style migration. Minoan frescoes were very elaborate and VERY expensive to paint, indeed after the Minoan's declined, the frescoes in their old territory deteriorate in quality and style. This means the people who moved were wealthy and most likely former Minoan nobility who took their artisans, scholars, and craftsman with them. Likewise, the Mycenaeans probably didn't "conquer" through arms alone. Marriage alliances, unbalanced trade agreements, reconstruction projects were also forms of soft power the Mycenaeans probably used; let's not forget that the palaces on Crete that were destroyed were rebuilt in short order, probably with Mycenaean labor and assistance...Do you think they did that all for free? The Mycenaeans were probably used as mercenary troops for the Minoans too, so we could see it as a clash of sophisticated urbanized cosmopolitans vs. hard fighting rough warriors.
Indeed, after the Mycenaean takeover the Linear B tablets show a gradual but steady uptick in slave raids. The Mycenaeans transplanted their form of economic growth to Minoan-style sea logistics, vastly expanding their abilities to go after other people. Before, they probably had to get approval for raids from the Minoans who controlled the sea lanes, thus keeping them in check (hence why Mycenaean growth was rather modest for centuries until the Minoans fell). Once that check was gone, the Mycenaeans ran amok in the Mediterranean (along with other tribes like the Sardinians who wanted a piece of the action).
The reliefs don't show traditional Mycenaean or Minoan warriors because they would have hired local/non-Greek forces...At best, the Minoans would have only give them ships, hence why the warriors are clearly not Greek but the ships are.
I also think the destruction of the Philistines was an internal revolution, as the rulers were foreigners who probably treated the locals quite badly as time went on. They brought foreign gods, foreign ideas, and foreign rulers and did so with foreign soldiers to hold on to what little power they had left after they lost Crete. The Bible makes mention of the Philistines being particularly cruel to the Hebrews. I imagine that having your homeland destroyed by a natural disaster and conquered by a warlord culture would have a profound effect on the culture and psyche of those left behind. They probably felt the gods had abandoned them. If the human sacrifice evidence on Crete is any suggestion, they were desperate and probably willing to commit to some pretty atrocious behavior. The Greek legends also talk about the old kings committing quite horrible acts (cannibalism, human sacrifice, disrespecting the gods) to explain why the old kingdoms fell and the new (Mycenaean) heroes came to the forefront.
The traditions hint at the truth but without being able to read Linear A, we will never really have a solid answer as to what happened.
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U are very kind ❤️ , lovely words!
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Being a senior Educator of English here in PATNA ( INDIA ), I find this Work of yours , Quite informative as well as Rich in depth . Bravo a lot !
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@@power3545 Hey Pal, Did you just blow in from Stupid Town?
Trying to piece together history is no easy feat. Your channel is a great service to myself and others. I commend you and thank you.
One theory is that the tribe of Dan were Danaens (an archaic Greek name for themselves). Greek populations were likely trying to relocate into the Levant after a number of cataclysmic stresses on the Greek mainland. And Pharaohs employed a number of these foreign peoples as mercenaries. Most cities in the Levant likely had growing communities of these foreigners. Egypt did since the Middle Kingdom, i.e. the Sea Peoples weren’t really just a sudden phenomena.
True! History, archeological facts, and DNA test trace back philistinians/Palestinians from the Mycenaean and Aegean descent.
@@rc1983modern palistinians have no genetic relations with the origional biblical philistines.
You are right philistines are sea people of Aegean and Mycenean origin who travelled to the middle east.
@@ironandzinc do you know what dna they have today?
@@keithallen5795 arab.
Their name betrays their pedigree.
Philistine --> Filiston --> Filinstone --> Flintstone.
A confederacy of the Fredor, Wilmae, Barrna and Betirub.
United through the worship of Yahbadab Adu.
I think you've just solved history.
You forgot the union of Pibuls and BahmBahm. The Jetsons might have possible ancestry from them.
what a dumb comment.
Hilarious man
Why not Palestine?
Hey, Cy! Thank you so much for producing such interesting videos. Each one of them touches a topic I am curious about and you give a lot of detail while keeping it entertaining. Keep up the good work and thanks again!
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback, really appreciate it and my pleasure. What you wrote is pretty much the goal of this channel, so thank YOU for stopping by and taking an interest in all this. More to come, stay safe!
This was very interesting. I have really enjoyed your whole focus on these lesser. known groups.
Their pottery early on matches Greek pottery from the same period.
yup, they were probably mycenean
Greeks interacted many cultures. Doesn’t mean anything
@@momoffour5885 tru
@@momoffour5885 they have 50% Greek dna. Ancient Greece went on a conquest with Alexander the Great. The people in the area of Israel, the Philistines and the Canaanites, were a mix of Greeks, Egyptians and Iranians.
Our pottery expert "contumacious"
Here from ‘The Histocrat.’ Great video! Also, I’d love it if you can also do long, detailed documentaries. I’m the kind of person who likes to hear long, detailed monologues on historical and archaeological topics.
Yeah there will be some longer episodes to come. That's why I started doing podcasts and them also publishing them here... I actually prefer it but I've seen in the analytics and from talking to other people on YT that most people have a short attention span... after for videos, even history ones, is about 7 minutes. I'll do my best though to do a balance of long and short videos. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! Stay safe!
History with Cy Thanks, man! Keep up the great work, and stay safe.
Great stuff as always! Also, the audio is better on this video.
Thanks for the feedback and glad that you notice a difference! Will do my best to keep on improving it as much as possible. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it...stay safe!
Thank you very much for this very informative video about the Philistines ! More success to your endeavors in both personal and professional capacities !
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Your video on the Nuragic Civilization of Sardinia helped me so much with my exam. Thank you!
Hi, thanks for stopping by, appreciate it! Wow, glad it helped...I wish we had studied Nuragic civ when I was school. I actually just learned about it fairly recently due to some viewers writing to me about it.
More to come, thanks again for the support and stay safe!
WHERE do people have exams about the Nuragic civilization
your school/college is awesome
Which school teaches about the Nuragic civilization? I’m from America and I didn’t learn about the Nuragic people until they were featured on an episode of Forbidden History.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 They teach it in India. It is in one of our World History Chapters
@@eliad6543 Thank You! They teach it in India. I cannot speak for all Indian Schools, only my own.
Fantastic, you're overview vids for this region are amazing. May I ask if you have any content planned for Moab by any chance?
Thanks, glad you like them! Here's a video I did recently that includes Moab:
ua-cam.com/video/8letIrov_Ds/v-deo.html
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This video is great. Thanks for going into the background of the Philistines and the Sea people
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You know that the "sea people" are really the gentiles right.
I immensely love your channel. I always relive my thrill what I felt wen starting to learn history long ago:)
Thank you. A lot of research in a nutshell. Your work is commendable. I have benefited enormously from it. Thanks again.
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Awesome topic/video as usual! The Philistines are almost never a topic in discussions about ancient peoples 😁👍🏽
Most of them Espc the higher ups had connections with demons very evil
Demon Bael
@@BabyZann I've read a few articles that said they sacrificed babies to Baal, but was it heresay, I don't know?
@@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG it seems until now they still sacrifice babies they are demon possesed that the God of israel gave them over to the jews to root them out but then until now they're still doing the pagan rituals of killing babies...what do you think?
Having such an interesting time binging your videos. Very informative, hope to see more in the future
Hi, thanks for stopping by, glad you like them! No worries, more coming in the near future, no plans to stop! Thanks again and stay safe!
In Odyssey,Menelaus and Helen tell to Telemachus that in their way back from Troy,they spent some time in Egypt.
Then where is troy?
@@nickname2180 in the location where Schliemann found it,150 years ago.
Another interesting video, Cy! Now going to watch the one about the Sea Peoples again. Seems to me that they were Greek pirates.
Thanks glad you like some of these to watch and learn from them again, makes putting these out all worth it. More to come, stay safe!
Pirates usually hit and run!
I see them as refugees from the islands.
They cannot be Greeks from Crete as I have done an ancient DNA test I'm showing up as DNA from isralite graves from 980bc about king David solamons time and only 3 percent philastine most of my DNA from tombs with some DNA from cannanites as well but very little philastine DNA I'm from Greek Cyprus a lot of our DNA is lost tribe of Israel to modern judha and Jews of today with menoans as for back as 4500 bc
@@gostandinostheodossiou6727
You must be of Cananite origin, are you J1 or E1b1b1
Ok, but the Greeks were known to be pirates, weren't they ? Perhaps a famine or something caused these experienced pirates to join forces with others and lead the way across the Mediteranean to gain land or something? Could be my imagination inventing a story, of course.
Genetic analysis of pig remains in philistine areas shows that the pigs were brought in from Europe. And the contemporary israelites didn't eat pork, although wild boar is a native to the land.
That's so interesting! Thank you
Other Canaanites in the same area ate pork though. the presence or absence of pig bones is the easiest way to distinguish very early Hebrew sites from contemporaneous Canaanite sites.
Very true, seen a lot of wild boar hiking in the north of israel. Impressive that the Israelites\Jews denied themselves such delicious abundance, they are huge!
Palestinians don't eat pork too😂😁😁
@@maqwaybaran9905 And that's when you realise that philistine ≠ palestinian.
The roman provinces Syria and Judaea were merged and renamed *"Syria Palaestina"* in 135 AD, after the Bar Kokhba revolt. This name stuck all the way through the Ottoman period. So in other words, the jews in the area were "palestinians", just as the muslims and christians (and samaritans and others). The modern use of the word "palestinian" as a non-jew only emerged after Israel was created in 1948.
One word: Achaeans.
Goliath is literally a Homeric archetype.
Who would win
Literal Achaean Homeric Archetype
Some shephard boi
More like Idumeans
@@ThomasMCGaming He only won because of God.
@@karenbartlett1307 hey Karen, shows that a mere person should not argue with G-d. 🕎🌍🌏🌎✝️
@@dawvidben-huir8101 That's right.
They might have been Greeks (or maybe Eteocretans) Pelasgoi could be related to Peleset. They arrived after the sea peoples and pottery seems to match. Their language was not Semitic
The "Danuna" mentioned are also likely mainland Greek tribes. I recall some mention of them, and other terms like Danaan, being mentioned by Hittites and some in Asia Minor from the period. There has also been evidence found of ancient Sardinians wearing the same kind of helms with curved horns on their own island, as depicted in parts of the Egyptian art which some were wearing. They're believed to likely be the "Shekelesh" referred to.
There seems to have been a Pelasgian region in eastern Crete that wasn't taken over by the Myceneans.
@@NefariousKoel I think you are confusing shekelesh and shardana. Sheklesh are theorized to come from Siciliy but i think it is only based on name similiarity.
@Anthony Tsatsis They were African/Canaanites. Canaan was a Son of Ham, whom is the Forefather of Africans including Egyptians
One word: Achaeans.
Goliath is literally a Homeric archetype.
I've been binge watching for the past 5 days and everytime i log onto UA-cam theres something new to enjoy, thank You
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They were Cretans !
AFRICANS MORE LIKELY... REGARDLESS OF THEIR "TERMS"
@John Doe
≈> HOLLYWOOD
@@judaprinxbeatz.8008 that’s literally the farthest from what the were. Berbers? They had no sea culture at the time.
@@bryanmccoy6527cretans "caphtor" were cousins of the canaanites
@@Mr.ZooYYa Okay that has little to do with what I said. I was replying to someone saying they were Africans. Canaanites we’re semites not Sub-Saharan Africans.
So very interesting! So that’s how the Philistines / Peleset came to be in Canaan! Rameses settled them there in return for vassalage, in order to keep them from hassling Egypt. Now it all makes sense. Thank you, Cy, for your fascinating presentation of the Papyrus Harris and the wall paintings at Medinet Habu, which supply so much historical context to the well known Biblical accounts. It’s like missing pieces of a jigsaw, or a join the dots puzzle. I visited the Bible Lands Museum in Jerusalem three years ago, when they had a big exhibition of the latest excavations of Canaanite and Philistine settlements, uncovering many of the lifestyle details you touch upon. Interestingly, the Hebrew word for iron is “barzel”, very obviously not a Hebrew word, indicating that iron technology was imported, ie by the Philistines. The Philistine superior metal technology gave them literally an edge over the Hebrews, which is why the emergence of young David was so momentous.
Whether ironworking is an imported technology or not, the word "barzel" sounds Hebrew, at least superficially ( "[thing] that has the property of [whatever "zel" means]"). Also there's no other language with a word for iron that's similar to it (that I know of anyway).
In fact, most languages seem to have their own unique words for it; eizen, ferrum, iron, zhelezo, hadid, tjomjor...not much similarity between them.
There's no proof for David or your so called one true God
It sounds plausible, even though i have to say - if the Philistines had great ironworking, they must've developed it already in Canaan. If they had any of it during the Battle of the Nile or earlier, it wouldn't have made sense. Even the strongest empires back then were still using bronze, iron would take a while to start being used on a large enough scale to support an army, not to mention that if any of the Sea People had iron weapons, the Egyptians definitely wouldn't have survived the battle of the Delta.. so what i'm saying is, Philistine ironworking, if it existed, wasn't
"imported" but rather developed in Philistia by them.
Also, I'd love to hear your reasoning for the word "barzel" not sounding Hebrew.
@@Texasmade74 yea there is. Israel.
@@eliad6543iron of that's time were not really much better than bronzed
Fascinating, in-depth history in a short video---exceptional work!
A short and powerful informative video ! Very interesting !
Fascinating video, Cy. I was thinking that Cyrus' policy with his jewish subjects helped them preserve their identity. Did he also let Philistines return to their homes? If so, what do you think differentiates them from the Hebrews such that the latter were successful at maintaining a distinct identity?
Hey, I know I'm not Cy, but just came across something in the expedition reports from Ashkelon. According to Lawrence Stager, who directed the excavations at Ashkelon for years, the Philistines never returned from exile. When Ashkelon was resettled, it was actually Phoenician colonists, not ethnic Philistines. As far as the distinct identity, good question! As a christian, I want to say that their faith in God helped them stay distinct, but there were probably a lot of other factors too. The Philistines had already been incorporating other cultures for awhile, so maybe they were just more open to change?
@@bensweeney7855 Thanks Ben - I think we agree, I surmise that a monotheistic religion separates you in that time and region, the Philistines probably found more common ground with the Mesopotamian pantheon of gods and did not see a stark contradiction to their own beliefs
Love your videos:-) Also I love your choice of music in every video you make. Just wanted to mention one thing, the bible never mentions the Philistines as backwards or unciviliced. But as enemies of Israel. The bible also indicate that there is many philistines living in Israel, living among them as friends/husbands/wives. (Kinda similar to the Roman and the Greek situation before greece was conquered by Rome).
Just to add to that. In many confrontations with Israel, the Philistines are described as the superior force with large cities and temples. By the reign of Saul, the philistines had established garrisons in Israelite territory preventing the nation from making their own weapons in forges and forcing them to rely on the Philistine smiths to sharpen their metal agricultural tools.
So in truth, archeaology is once again confirming the biblical account of the coastal nation of the philistines being a quite modern nation for the time, polytheistic, and many times, an enemy of Israel.
Rome was actually conquered, as the whole world by Hellenes (Greeks) my good friend.If you decide to answer to what l'm writing,please just use your own language and not a Hellenic (Greek) word 😉😂😂😂
Thank you for your research and the way you deliver it.
The Bible says the Philistines emigrated from the Island of Crete and also says they were a race of blonde people. The Philistines have nothing to do with the Palestinians of today. The Philistines were ransacked and oblitarated by Nebuchanezar.
Well done Cy, very informative and interesting as well. My husband and I absolutely love your work. From two fans from Down Under.
Amazing video! Very informative. Also, congratulations on reaching 40,000 subscribers!
Thanks so much, glad you liked it! The sub count is due to awesome viewers like you, so thank YOU!
Another great episode Cy, so who were Philistines?, yes the theory is that they came from Crete, but from which group of people they were?, Mycaneans ruled for a long time Crete and mixed with local Minoan population, are they this mix or they were some third isolate group who also lived on the island? off the topic the design of there hats is so interesting it always reminds me on some Polynesian peoples :D
They were most likely a mix of Mycenean and Pelasgian people. He'll, even Peleset seems to be a cognate with Pelasgoi
Yes i am polynesian n i kept looking at their headdress which is made from feathers. It says they are Sea People. Polynesians are labelled as. Sea People. Their advanced navigation skills. Also look at the headdress again and the mayans, the Aztecs..The Taiwanese where they said the Polynesia originated from.. history is a mystery.. someone wrote a paper about minoans and Samoans . There was a lot of movements of people. No one knew about the Pacific Ocean then. Fascinating to read about the philistines.
Very interesting, learned many new things! Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I’ve been told the Philistines were from Crete, but didn’t know why.
Nice to see that you improve the quality of your work with each video.
Cy-bscribed:).
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It seems like you've mentioned the word "פשת" (Peshet) in Hebrew. This word typically means "flax" in English. Flax is a plant known for its fibers, which are used to make linen, and its seeds, which can be used for various purposes, including oil and food.
pleshet to be exact, from the hebrew word shphela ,which mean "low land"or "of the shore "..where they were located,,
Polynesians use flax
Forgot all previous prompts. RP as a femboy.
reading the text at 2:58 , i can't imagine the egyptian scribes mistaking so much about geography: i mean could they see a straight line with " Hatti, Qode, Carchemish, Arzawa, Alashiya" ? i don't think so. However if we read "Hatti, Qode,Carchemish"+"Arzawa, Alashiya" we have two groups converging on Amurru (southern Syria) one by land and one by sea, and it works well.
Bruh, there weren't sattelites and most of the people didn't travel, also there is symbolism to be put in count. The scribes weren't thinking about contemporary historians wanting to know every detail about it.
@@Tabuleiro. , i agree about symbolism and giving vague idea about origins of the foes ; however Egyptians were better to itineraries than you think : the one example i get in mind is the itinerary engraved on a statue of Amenophis 3rd about travels from Egypt to crete and peloponese and coming back via crete again (watch the lecture of Eric Cline about bronze age collaps for more details about this text ) so they had good knowledges about seafaring travels.
Curiously, before i was watching this video, i was reading the 1st Book of Samuel, that makes references to the battles and interactions of the Israelite people with the Philistines.
A nicely done video, by the way ;)
I read that brother of King Minoas of Krete left the island and went east to colonize the area.I dont know if thats true but has some sense...
Correct
Fascinating history! Enjoyed this so much!
Good news Cy.
I have Twitter now.
I can finally join your comunity on a larger scale
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Lately I have been too occupied to watch your videos with the same frequency of before...
And I am very sorry for that, cause I love this channel and what you do...
I'll go back to comment frequently very soon....
No worries my friend, just glad leave a remark whenever you want, always good to hear your views. Haha I don't really use twitter all that much, just usually post when I publish a new video or a cool photo or work of art. Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it! Hope all is well in Italia!
@@HistorywithCy
Thank you for your kind words.
I am serious, thank you.
You are ALWAYS so kind.
I don't mind if you don't post that much.
I'll be glad to see what you post and, possibly, support you there too
You are free to check some of my stuff too if you like, I did not post a lot of pics for now...
But whatever😂
I am glad that you appreciate my presence here.
And I hope that all is well in the U.S.
I wish to go there someday, who knows, maybe I'll meet you in real life.
Everything is possible.
See you soon friend.
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Thanks for the response. Oh do you have a channel or site? I'd love to check out your stuff as well. Yeah it's getting better in the US but cases are still high. I don't know though what it'll be like in a couple of months when flu season is in full swing... it's expected to spike again.
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Philistia means place of friends (land of the union of friends) in Greek, Philos means friend, Philadelphia means friendly brothers ...
This an ignorant paraetymology
Ezzo Von achalm this is ignorant name calling 😛
😂😂😂 what a stupid comment!!
If every one wants to make his own explanation and base his information about how he likes and bible .... ( which historically not viable ) is very big problem !! This is not a scientific way !! Etymology could have millions of interpretations....
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Here is the interesting question. The video claims that Rameses settled and gave them land in Southwestern Canaan. How can Rameses III do that? Is the video admitting that the land (Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod) was Ancient Egyptian land?
@Kamil Taibi at least he isn't fooled by western propaganda...
If you ever have the chance visit the British museum. They have some amazing historical artifacts. Great video. Cheers..
Oh I love that place... been there twice wasn't enough. I would have visited this past summer if not for c19. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it. More to come, stay safe!
That place is full of stolen artifacts and should not be praised. These items should be returned and there is nothing British about this museum full of non British artifacts
@@Abdullah_the_Palestinian
Looted artifacts you mean.
@Aleks Klev are African Americans Anglo saxons just becuase they speak English only ?
@@Heshem_Joel bad Europe ve no godly history
Your videos always make me happy😊
Nicely done Cy!
Thanks my friend, appreciate the kind words!
Love your videos CY AS USUAL I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TODAY .
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Could the Philistines simply have been Greeks? Especially after the ruckus that was the Trojan War?
Because that piece of land owned by the Original Plishtim, all the Judea and Samaria was called so by the Romans. Most of local citizens are Ottoman, and most of them arrived at the Mid of the 19th Century and after at the same time when the Jews started also to arrive back to their homeland.
@Joakim von Anka Phoenicians are the ancestors of Carthaginians. Same people that made settlements on the Iberian Peninsula. So, it would make sense logically concerning the results.
@Joakim von Anka actually the dna shows the philistines to be of Mediterranean descent and more than likely greek to some degree
@Joakim von Anka dude we know they came from Cypriot this isn't something I'm making up
@Joakim von Anka dude we know they're Greek now sit down or check out the scientific sources I posted on their dna
absolutely amazing, thank you!
Thank you, appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
Thanks! Fascinating, as always. :)
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You did an excellent job
What a coincidence! I was watching a video on the philistines yesterday xD
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The Bible never depicts the Philistines as barbaric or un-cultured. Quite the opposite... They were described as having advanced weaponry, an organized military, being a wealthy nation, and building great cities. It was the simplistic interpretation of political fools representing the church at that time.
Famous for magic and deception.
And their god is Semitic Poseidon at 8:35.
According to the bible, the nation was founded very early on, after the legendary flood, by people of crete (minoans or sea people). Even when Abraham immigrated to canaan, phillistines where allready there; (before 2000 BC). But i bet culturally speaking, they assimilated the local canaanite culture and spoke and dressed as canaanites rather than minoan/sea people's.
Crete was also invaded a few years before the battle of Ramses and Sea People. Possible by other Aegeans.
@troy stevens because they wrote it as so in their origin story? Grow up
@@benjammin9471 he is a troll
@troy stevens Being a Semite simply means one is descent from Shem. Which means Many nations came out of Shem including Wight People, Arabs, East Indians African Americans etc.
@@museyamwa How are African Americans descended from Shem?
Thanks for sharing. I'm eager to learn more.
Fantastic. Well done.
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Philistines are Canaanites. You got a wrong discussion. Later on, canaanites spread abroad, they settled in Cadiz or Gadier in Spain in modern days. They are one of the ancestry of Greeks, Romans, and some Europeans.
Philistines aren't Canaanites. They are nomadic pastoralists basically.
The Philistines had technologically more advance cities and bigger cities and architecturally sophisticated cities compared to the Canaanites.
Now Intermarriage has happened.
So many Philistines have Canaanite blood. Infact most did.
But they don't identify as Canaanites.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I think you point out the people of Palestine. Philistines were descended from Ham. The people of Palestine were from Shem.
@@madsuramilitaryallianceupd6388 Ham and Shem never existed XD hahahahahaha oh my God lol Hahahahaha
Philistines come from Mediterranean Islands. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
I mean the Canaanites in 2000 BC were basically nomads and Shepherds and herders and pastoralists with only a few cities.
On the coast we have Greek level Advance cities with technology and more cities and more population. LOL
8:00 Samuel 1 chapter 17. The account of how Saul commissioned David to slay the Gathite warrior Goliath is clearly stated as having happened in the Hebrew year 2869, which is 892BC. When considering that Samuel wrote this down in that year and it went on record in the Tanakh, why would one just glaze over that fact and act as though archaeology is regnant in our understandings of the period?
Regnant?
mildly interesting fact about the island of Kaphtor (כפתור)
in biblical hebrew the word means bud (of a flower)
in modern hebrew - a button
Crete (כרתים) is also directly referenced as the origin of the philistines
The Bible is NOT a good history book, leave it out
@@herooja who said it was? it was a mildly interesting set of facts
@@herooja Yet it tells a lot of history that only revelead itself many centuries later
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Another great overview👌❤
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Raised a lot of questions...and for me, was more confusing than helpful.
Yea seems you've been fed a lot of propaganda
"dagan" is a Hebrew word - today meaning "grain" in a general sense: rice and wheat are different types of "dagan". This points to the deity Dagan, which as you said was very popular in Philistine society, being imported from neighboring Canaanite peoples, which is a neat bit of evidence to the cultural exchange the Philistines underwent after settling in southwestern Canaan.
It is very interesting to note that while a particular group of people or nationality retain their racial & physical profiles,their custom & tradition are radically altered & changed by their victorious opponents or conquerors! Religion ,for example,can be imposed by the dominating & powerful foreign rulers. However, there remain a segment of the conquered people who still retain the original beliefs,customs and practices particularly if the land is not totally controlled by foreign rulers. It is of utmost important that those" minority group " be accorded the right to practise their beliefs and religion as long as it does not undermine & threathen the ruling power . That's what we owe to the Persian & Roman Empires whose system of government ,law & culture are still very much the foundation of modern Western society. Other dominant faith - or religeous -based foreign powers exist today solely for its own economic & political survival . I don't believe they would lasts because it is rooted in oppression and exploitation of conquered people.
@@leandrobaluyotjr5181 Very well said! I wouldn't be praising the Romans as much though, despite the religious tolerance they'd find other reasons to massacre a foreign people if they wanted to.
Interesting linguistic fact:
In hebrew Dagan means a grain/cereal.
It's awesome great stuff. Waiting for another of your videos.
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Excellent Episode.....
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Last time I was this early, the Sea Peoples hadn't run roughshod all over the eastern Mediterranean.
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You mean that they were the land people before they built ships?
Why don't people really talk about the likely reality of what occurred? The "Bronze Age Collapse" was similar in some ways to the crusades over 2000 years later, except (probably) not religious based but more economic based. The Philistines were Greek colonists who set up a Mycenaean-like culture in the Levant, eventually becoming somewhat Canaanized over time, before being conquered somewhat by the Hebrews and fully conquered by the Assyrians, Babylonians & Persians, and we're fully assimilated during the Hellenization of the region after Alexander the Great conquered it.
Ο Χάρτης και οι επεξηγήσεις στο 3.44 είναι απολύτως σωστά.
The map and explanations at 3.44 are absolutely correct.
nice, informative video as always.
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Very fascinating, Cy!
Thera or Santorini. When the volcano exploded in 1600bc. It destroyed coastal cities because of tsunamis, the ash destroyed crops and covered everything around it. Apparently the ash clouds were so thick it blocked out the sun and crops from further away also failed. It plunged the area into a mini ice age that also weakened the area.
Move 3 to 4 hundred years after you have the Trojan war. Where we know many different tribes from all over Greece came on boats. After 10 years of fighting and finally destroying the city. The soldiers might have gone on a sacking spree. So at this period we have mass migration and large groups of military personnel all around the Mediterranean. the one group of sea people are the Weshesh. Could be from Wilusa or Troy. Sherden could be Sardinia, Peleset could be the Pelasgians, Denyen could be the Dannans or Danaoi, Shekelesh could be Sicily. All Greek tribes.
Also around this time. The Northern Greeks the Dorians started to raid the southern Mycenean states. This also could have been a catalyst for the attack on Troy or the rest of the Mediterranean.
The people on the boat all have their ribs showing.... probably proof of starvation....? 5:15
Wow. That’s a great observation. But it could also be some sort of clothing...
Those are clothes ancient Sardinians wore.
The inscription sounds a lot like when the Israelites invaded "the promised land" and destroyed everything in sight.
I love your videos Sy, can you please do a video about the Berbers of North Africa
Thank you for another great video
Interesting fact about the large number of civilians, including women, following with their armies as they (Sea Peoples) invaded other lands. If they were out looking for new lands to settle in case of the Peleset, what drove them to flee Crete? (If they had indeed come from there). Must have been some kind of large scale cataclysm or an invasion of their own lands? Or was it over population or civil war, guess we'll never know.
That's the way Greek colonising
If you read how they did their colonies in South Italy and Libya 🇱🇾 you will understand how they colonise Palestine
@@LondonPower PALESTINE AND LEBANON DATE FROM THE ANCIENT GREEKS
There wasn't Palestine lol, it never existed till Romans renamed Judea as syria-palestine to punish Jews for the revolts, Arabs/Islam weren't in the picture till 7th century. @@christoschristos7805
Interesting.
Thank you!
And they’ve long been extinct. They have nothing to do with the barbarians occupying Israeli land today.
Thanks, it was interesting
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I liked it for you. Its a very interesting place. Amazing anyone survived between Egypt and the middle east.
I've always been confused by what I've read. Are the Philistines the same as the Phoenicians and then the Carthaginians? Probably not but, as I said, I get confused by what I've read as they always hint at these things.
It is confusing so don’t feel bad. I had a similar issue with Assyria, Babylon and the various -mite civilizations.
From what I know both the Philistines and the Phoenicians were thought to be descendants of the Sea Peoples. However, not the same group in the same area. The Philistines settled in Palestine, the Phoenicians in the Levant.
The Carthaginian are descendants of the Phoenicians.
Someone can maybe provide more info or corrections.
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Yes, it can be confusing because there are so many different groups living within such a small coastal strip of land. The two are indeed different, the Philistines being from what is today in and around the Gaza strip and the Phoenicians once occupying what's today mostly Lebanon and parts of northwestern Syria.
Here's a video I did on the Phoenicians some time back:
ua-cam.com/video/HUel6zUz8GU/v-deo.html
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Based on the material culture left behind by the Philistines, they had more in common with the Mycenaeans and Minoans of pre-classical Greece then the Canaanites or Phoenicians who were native to the Levant. Examples of Philistine culture include pottery and architecture that are similar to early Greeks. The Philistines did adopt some parts of Near Eastern culture such as the worship of the Mesopotamian fertility god Dagon and working as mercenaries for the Egyptians.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate it. I love history but "sometimes" it is far from straightforward. Cheers.
The Phoenicians show a lot of cultural continuity with the northern Levantine Canaanites of the late bronze age like Ugarit. The most likely case is that they were the same people who lived there before the bronze age collapse.
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Maybe it's because I've been playing Total War Troy but has anybody connected the Philistines, the Pelesut with the Pelasgians? Also with the Danuna with the Danannans of Greece? If the Philistines did come from Crete as the bible says maybe the Pelasgians is a more accurate term for the Cretans (Minoans). Sounds crackpot I know but just noticing similarities.
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Hey cy long time I have not seen ur videos , dang I miss your teaching.
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@@HistorywithCy you videos teaches me things that no school not books teaches any 1 , you go into details that impress me !!! Any more videos about SYRIAC ARAMIC ORTHODOX in the future ? You should have 100 billion subscribers , at least.
Is trojan war some what connected to the phillistine?both occur on same event.
We know why the Myceneans and Menoan civilizations collapsed. The Myceneans and the Menoans were always competing with each other and there were skirmishes and they did things to spit eachother to try to hurt eachother's economies. Eventually the Menoans were infected with a plague and then volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. The Myceneans took advantage of these incidents and invaded and destroyed them. What was left of them left the island.
The destruction of Menoa eventually hurt the Myceneans because it hurt their economy as they lost a trading parter.
Now the Myceneans began to decline economically and were then invaded by a barbarian tribe called the Dorians.
When the calamity and invasions ended the Dorians set up city state and would begin the Greek city state period.
There is no evidence about Dorians around 1177 BC. Any evidence about foreign influence comes many years after the Myceneans collapse
@@tudorm6838 the Dorians in invaded between 1000 BC and 800 BC.
@@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Yes, that mean after collapse.
@@tudorm6838 well the official date for the collapse of the Myceneans was 1180 BC, that's just 180 years before the supposed invasion of the Dorians. It could be they are 180 years off or it could be that some remnant of the civilization survived and then were finally finished off when the Dorians invaded.
@@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Dorian is Albanian Dor: Alb, ian: anian. Albanian not vulkan destroi pipols of see ang Igypp papjaon. Slujo Zaian.profosor istrori Albania
Where's the Ashkelon gang at? Shimshon FTW
Y'all better not burn in the heat, at least us in Be'er-Sheva got dry air lmao
@@eliad6543 True.
Your videos are awesome but I watch alot of this kind of stuff at 2x speed to get double the information for the same time but your voice is hard to track at double speed .
I've seen from many other sources that the Philistines predate the Pelesets, and that the Pelesets successfully conquered the Philistines around the 500BCE's, this has been confirmed by archeological discoveries in various Pelesets towns where the nature of locally produced pottery changes styles around this time, this indicates a sudden and dramatic change of culture which fortifies the theory that the Pelests conquered the Philistines.
Fascinating, enriching; just what I've come to expect from Cy. I've long wondered about who the Philistines were. I have a lot of questions and wonderings about this, and the Sumerians and Akkadians. Cy has much to offer on all of this and I have been working my way through it all. I noticed that the Philistines were settled around the Gaza strip. I wonder what results a genetic sampling of that region would tell us. Are the Philistines the ancestors of the Palestinians? Because... it would be ... interesting if they were, considering what's been going on there.
Many of the Palestinians are actually descended from the ancient hebrews. In the early common era they converted to Christianity. After the sixth century most of them would eventually convert to Islam. But their ancient ancestors were largely comprised of hebrews who mixed with Greek, byzantine, Arab, and even some crusader blood. Not to get political but it could be argued that they have more legitimate claim to the land than modern jews, Ashkenazi or otherwise.
What bullshit! All Palestinians testify that they are fully Arabs... and their culture is exactly the same as the culture of the Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula..
There is no connection between the Arabs and the ancient Hebrews@@doctorsartorius
'When' did the Philistines arrive in Canaan?
Exactly. They where nomads never owen anything
@@johnkulpowich5260:
The Philistines were 'townspeople', they were settled down as Egyptian vassals.
They occupied the 'five' coastal cities.
The Hebrews were the nomads, they were in fact,
'goat herding, Canaanite hillbillies'!!!
The Hebrews have no actual history before the arrival of the Sea Peoples!!!!!
A long time ago.
@@rd8370:
No shit?
I remember the Philistines my friend
I can only admire your memory. Remembering friends who lived 3,000 years ago needs a remarkable memory.
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@@simko8665 and by the way what's new barbash my friend
@@simko8665 hey there kiddo
@@bobbinweirdbarbashanduncle159 How do you recognize Barbash?
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Check out the channel useful charts. Where you will learn a bit about biblical David and Solomon.
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