+Jacolby Green His speech will remain relevant until things change. In fact the rights hard won by the back woking class are being taken back. I think the argument now has to include class. Since James Baldwin, the establishment has created space for a new black middle class, out of necessity, and I think the black middle class are guided by self interest. Where are today's James Baldwins? Have they all joined the establishment? Under Eric Holder former black Attorney General, the Black liberation icon Assata Shakur is a terrorist. She was added to the FBI “Most Wanted Terrorist” list. Why are the Panthers and other political prisoners still locked up in prison in solitary confinement for over 30 years?
+James Mac "White guilt is dying" --good. No one should be hostage to something they didn't do. If your sibling or parent was a serial killer (and you had no knowledge), should you, your kids, grand kids be held liable and in contempt indefinitely?
Akyrah34 Vigier Joseph Mankiewicz was also the one who directed Sidney Poirier in his first film "No Way Out", a movie that took a provocative look at race relations.
What Harry Belafonte says between 15:44-17:56 is everything!!!!! Like in order for systematic racism to end it's up to white people. This is just not a Black struggle, it's a human struggle. And I also agree with James Baldwin that this fight will cost people's lives. #BlackLivesMatter
And the question is still the same as the one Baldwin points out at the end. It is nothing to do with who such terms label, or the difference between black and white, but to do with the drive to exclude and stigmatise groups, and to maintain the position and feelings of superiority of the dominant group. The same issue that also underpins the stigmatisation of 'immigrants' and the 'underclass' today
D Stu If you look back in history the same supremacist tendencies could be seen in situations like the relationship between the Romans and the Celts of northern Europe. Now back then it wasn't based on race but more of a sense of cultural superiority. Human beings have a biological impulse towards tribalism and racism plays off of this tribalism. The tribalism was already there and the European invention of race gave it justification and allowed it to fester.
Completely agree. And to deal with/diminish racism this needs to be fully acknowledged. Baldwin actually also made a similar point in his criticism of Uncle Tom's Cabin, that, among other problems, it never asks the question as to why white people were manifesting these forms of behaviour. We need to stop trying to only condemn racism, or to deal with it only on a moral level, and understand it as a product of humans and social organisation, and how this results in social hierarchies
It is really something to see a discussion from 57 years ago where celebrities and thinkers were more eloquent, insightful, deeply engaged on an intellectual and spiritual level than those we see today. I cannot help but think we have, in many ways, moved backwards from 1963.
I have to give Charleston and Brando credit they where not afraid to speak out, and lets not forget their lives and careers where put on the line. I don't see the same thrust in white celebrities any more.
+Lisa Jackson If you listen closely, They were putting black people secondly not first. They said thought it was about all people. But all people were not on the back of the bus or not allowed to got to the university. Or had to use the black bathroom. It was all word games. Charlton Heston proved to be a very racist man after the fact.
Lisa Jackson, I experienced those times and civil rights was a popular cause celebre to be a part of then. There were so many famous people who marched and were a part of the civil rights movement of all races. The more popular side is the one that is spoken of here, yes even among the masses...not even close.
The poise these guys demonstrate. Must we not go back to that? They show anger without acting it. They show intelligence without flouting it. They show determination with grace. There is no better. Love for Humanity.
We need more of this now more than ever for people to stand up for what is right and beneficial for the good of this country and for all the freedoms that all citizens of this country deserve and our country now as it stands needs this all of our problems climate change gun violence racism inequalities wage disparity have to be addressed God bless these wonderful men
The Black panelists concentrated on the day and what this march on Washington meant to Black people in the USA, that day! The lack of dealing with the racial problem at hand that day is why there was a march of 200k Black souls !
Everybody pay attention to 10:15,When Brando ask the question,What excuse do we give ourselves for burning children with cattle prods?,he cut him off quick,there is no excuse,an I see Brando as someone who truly was concerned about human rights.
What’s amazing about this discussion is the politeness and civility of everyone. No one is trying to get centerstage. There is a respect and a humility amongst everyone no one is looking for their moment, so to speak so often you see this today when celebrity personalities get together everyone is looking for their particular soundbite.
What was said about being one of the only countries to allow these discussions about civil rights being so wonderful and at the same time so horrible because we have to have such discussions in the first place was right on!
We used to have discussions like this on talk shows that’s why they were called talk shows. Nowadays these talkshows, I just vehicles for celebrities to plug the latest book the latest concert tour, their blog or podcast to gain soundbites for their next political or celebrity show and it’s seen as a self promotional tool talk shows in the old days were meant to be thought-provoking and informative because you wanted people to gain information and insight. It seems the populace with a lot more literate also.
As a whole people are way too impatient nowadays to even endure, a show like this people would be complaining that it takes too long. Why don’t they get to the point blah blah blah because people in this culture like excitement they like controversy they like noise they like conflict and soundbites not information
7 brilliant men who are speaking their thoughts with intelligence without screaming, yelling and forcing others to accept their opinions. Yes, let's go back to that time when people were able to have conversations with each other without forcing their opinions down the throats of other individuals.
You have to wonder if something like this could happen today? Imagine the great actors, writers and thinkers of today sitting around a table to discuss such crucial movements as these - it is difficult to do so. The 60s was a time of great potential, and it was crushed, and would never be allowed to happen again.
Look what the coward US government did when their greatest ever athlete spoke up. Rejected him the very next second, and for what? For an unjust and aimless war that they had no business getting involved with in the first place
WOW! Would be great to have programming like this again. Joseph L. Mankiewicz, a freedom activist/speaker for social justice...I had no idea. His films continues to be inspiration that I write from..always about the things people do. James Baldwin, always great to listen to him.
Did you know that James Baldwin and Marlon Brando use to live together for 4 years. I found this out last week; while writing my paper on literary influences. I chose James Baldwin and his work A Talk To Teachers.
Baldwin befriended actor Marlon Brando in 1944 and the two were roommates for a time.[Field-Douglas 2009]. They remained friends for more than twenty years.
aunt it funny how stupid 15 second vine videos can 2 million views in 10 min but the real shit we need to pay attention too never comes close. it's funny how we finally got all this free educating about our selfs on our phones but instead of getting smart people losing sleep and lives over Facebook
wow. Much respect to all participants in that table. I didn't knew M. Brando was such an outspoken decent human being; read his bio in Wikipedia and came searching for footage. I'm pleasantly surprised. A very corageous human overall.
Poor millenial 🤦🏻♂️ Marlon Brando was a genius as an actor and also as a human being. Wikipedia? seriously ? You better go read a book on Brando's biography.
@@capitanfuturo594 yeah Wikipedia about him really wild and too much gossip and there are Soo many bad biografi too about him. only his autobiography and his documentary tape i trust.
Joe Mangovich says it correctly, human right! You cannot demand something that doesn't exist. What in the world is a civil right? Human rights are afforded to those who are considered humans. Something concrete that can be brought up in court, like Malcolm X was getting to before he was cut down.
I'm enjoying everybody gathered around with a good smoke talking in a way you would never see on tv today, an open an honest discussion about race between whites and blacks.
This is important for humanity, we should have more discussions like these with each other. We need NOT to be told what we can or can't talk about with each other as human beings.
Wow, something like this could never never never happen today. Can you imagine getting all of these entertainment and literary giants together in one place?
Mr. Belefonte deserves the graditude and respect of his fellow blacks and from those of us who defend the worth, dignity and god given rights of all human beings. Brando expresses a fundamental truth when he speaks of fear and hatred in the human heart. The Old Testament prophet Jeremiah says it this way, The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can understand it.
I am impressed at how articulate each of these men are. it seems people presently in general do not express themselves as well even among the educated. Has the English language been diminished? Has ordinary education been corrupted, brought to the lowest common denominator?
props for them for talking publicly about these issues even though it affected their careers they got a lot of hate and death threats over this!! lost a lot of money and many people stopped supporting them and boycotted their movies it’s ridiculous
Only one man whose still alive here, Belafonte. His comments and references were the only POV that are still relative today. Maybe a little Baldwin too. Just goes to show where most people's mindsets were at.
Incredible some of the true titans that are all gone now Bellafonte and Poitier both died fairly recently Charlton Heston ,Baldwin …we are so lucky to still have all this amazing and important footage available 60 years later ,what an insight into the past, and in reality, it wasn’t that long ago.
So sad that we are still talking about this but it shows we still have a lot to do. Glad to see that Belafonte and Mankeiwitz were not mincing words and were pushing the fact that it is our (whites) problem/issue. SIGH.
Marlon reminds me of Muhammad Ali in that both excelled in respective fields & both became global icons for boots-on-the-ground, unsexy activism. I wish Jane Goodall could dunk & Carl Sagan had a black belt, they’d trend so hard forever.
Brando at 26:00 "The Negroes now are giving us a lesson"...in the ebb and flow of history. Surprised Brando would see this issue in terms of us and them, them making us better. Baldwin, a few years later, would have gone ballistic on such a narrow, white driven perspective.
Jean Marie Ragus Irrelevant. But go ahead. An Asian, Native American, or latino wasn't included either. Is that marginalization as well? Edit: I was wrong. A black women and a white woman would have brought a lot more diversity to this conversation, especially at a time when black women were the most marginalized group in America.
Sir Mikel Its about race relations - black women were just as affected. No native american is marginalization, if the topic was civil rights for native americans.
Olivia Murphy I long forgot about this comment I made. I know what you're getting at. I'll admit. I was wrong. It wasn't irrelevant. I agree that this talk would've been more interesting if there were a woman; especially a black women involved. I personally would have loved to see a woman in this discussion. It would have added to the marginalization of black women within and without the civil rights movement. One thing we must not forget was that women were looked down upon in those days for speaking their mind. That's why women like Marilyn Monroe did things for the civil rights movement and black artist on the down low. How many famous black celebrities were as outspoken as Harry B. and Sydney P. back in those days?
That particular Cleopatra was. She would still have been a bit darker in appearance though. Greek people in that area in general are much closer to an olive bronze shade than a porcelain pink...but I digress.
Excellent piece of history.Wonderful panel. I only wish I had knowledge of this video when I was teaching. I only wish schools all over North America would use this video as a tool to introduce ‘ why the word Nigger.’
These men put their carreers on the line to do what was right Belafonte touched my heart Brando thoughtful soulfol to the point Heston dignified and caring touches my heart
Amazing! So much beauty, eloquence, and courage is most inspiring to see. My only issue is that there are no women at this forum. It is 1963 and three months later, JFK would be assassinated, and the world would never be the same. Those people who lived through these terrible times have been forever changed by it. I am surprised to see Charleton Heston, however, as my impression of him was forever changed when I saw him give that awful NRA speech. Glad to know he got this issue right.
I remember this . I was only 9 years old but it made me fully aware how cruel and vile this country is.And in 2017 how it's still relevant it is today.
And no gay or lesbian. A part from closeted James Baldwin, who never talked in public as an openly gay man, unfortunately. Many conquests had to be achieved still in Aug 1963.
It’s been forgotten but Heston was a lifetime member of the naacp and the urban league. Secondly Eddie Smith who was the cofounder of the Beverly Hills Hollywood naacp and the Image Awards , as well as the Hollywood Black Stuntmen’s Association, was at the March. He met James Garner whose company Cherokee productions was the first to sign with the BSA. Until then it was still acceptable to put white men in blackface to do stunts. Also, Mr Smith told me himself that Heston allowed the BSA to meet at his home on Saturdays.
A dignified articulate discussion. This level of debate is sadly lacking today. How disappointing that so much of what is discussed here is still relevant today more than 50 years later.
@@BernieHollandMusic and THAT is the point! These debates used to be featured on the major TV networks, now they are buried away on obscure cable/satelitte stations and on the internet. Fewer people are aware of their existence or access them. Back in the day these high profile debates did have an impact on an important section of the viewership of the big channels, providing water cooler discussion points.
Great discussion, but I wish they could've had double the time because they only touched the surface. On another note, it's very troubling that our children have to learn true history from sources other than their schools. We need total education reform which includes curriculums that enable discussion and understanding of where we came from and why so that we can become a UNITED nation.
lmao listen to those two non-brando white guys talking about how the civil rights movement started with jefferson and lincoln... brando talks about how its a global and historical issue
This issue is as relevant nowadays as it was then...and to think that all of these people are now dead, I felt like everything they fought for were in vain. We are all children of God and should act like one!❤
It's amazing how this speech in its entirety is relevant today.
+Jacolby Green It is "shameful" that this speech remains so resonant today.
+Jacolby Green His speech will remain relevant until things change. In fact the rights hard won by the back woking class are being taken back. I think the argument now has to include class. Since James Baldwin, the establishment has created space for a new black middle class, out of necessity, and I think the black middle class are guided by self interest. Where are today's James Baldwins? Have they all joined the establishment? Under Eric Holder former black Attorney General, the Black liberation icon Assata Shakur is a terrorist. She was added to the FBI “Most Wanted Terrorist” list. Why are the Panthers and other political prisoners still locked up in prison in solitary confinement for over 30 years?
James Mac Great point.
+James Mac "White guilt is dying" --good. No one should be hostage to something they didn't do. If your sibling or parent was a serial killer (and you had no knowledge), should you, your kids, grand kids be held liable and in contempt indefinitely?
Agent Smidt Hostage? So racist white people are racist because the are hostage as results of sins of their fathers?
i love James Baldwin. so articulate and matter of fact
Joseph Léon. Great individual...very inspiring and motivating
Thank you Joe Mankiewicz he hit the nail on the head when he stated that at 27:14 ."the negro is not the problem we are the problem to the negro"
Akyrah34 Vigier Joseph Mankiewicz was also the one who directed Sidney Poirier in his first film "No Way Out", a movie that took a provocative look at race relations.
What Harry Belafonte says between 15:44-17:56 is everything!!!!! Like in order for systematic racism to end it's up to white people. This is just not a Black struggle, it's a human struggle. And I also agree with James Baldwin that this fight will cost people's lives. #BlackLivesMatter
Stay Fly ???????
commodus What's up?!
And the question is still the same as the one Baldwin points out at the end. It is nothing to do with who such terms label, or the difference between black and white, but to do with the drive to exclude and stigmatise groups, and to maintain the position and feelings of superiority of the dominant group. The same issue that also underpins the stigmatisation of 'immigrants' and the 'underclass' today
D Stu
If you look back in history the same supremacist tendencies could be seen in situations like the relationship between the Romans and the Celts of northern Europe. Now back then it wasn't based on race but more of a sense of cultural superiority.
Human beings have a biological impulse towards tribalism and racism plays off of this tribalism. The tribalism was already there and the European invention of race gave it justification and allowed it to fester.
Completely agree. And to deal with/diminish racism this needs to be fully acknowledged. Baldwin actually also made a similar point in his criticism of Uncle Tom's Cabin, that, among other problems, it never asks the question as to why white people were manifesting these forms of behaviour. We need to stop trying to only condemn racism, or to deal with it only on a moral level, and understand it as a product of humans and social organisation, and how this results in social hierarchies
Intelligent people talking and listening-look at the US now and try and find a programme with the same degree of focus.
Henry Ovalles reality tv is a television show for a reason. Wow
Brando gotta love him
I would do him in a heart beat
Ha! me too!
HE was SOO BEAUTIFUL! 🔥😏
I do love Brando❤
I love them ALL. Brilliant, thoughtful, articulate concerned citizens. And handsome, too!
It is really something to see a discussion from 57 years ago where celebrities and thinkers were more eloquent, insightful, deeply engaged on an intellectual and spiritual level than those we see today.
I cannot help but think we have, in many ways, moved backwards from 1963.
I have to give Charleston and Brando credit they where not afraid to speak out, and lets not forget their lives and careers where put on the line. I don't see the same thrust in white celebrities any more.
+Lisa Jackson If you listen closely, They were putting black people secondly not first. They said thought it was about all people. But all people were not on the back of the bus or not allowed to got to the university. Or had to use the black bathroom. It was all word games. Charlton Heston proved to be a very racist man after the fact.
Heston had Alheimaz....
Elle Morgan what did he do?
Lisa Jackson, I experienced those times and civil rights was a popular cause celebre to be a part of then. There were so many famous people who marched and were a part of the civil rights movement of all races. The more popular side is the one that is spoken of here, yes even among the masses...not even close.
That is because racism is nowhere near as prevalent in today's America.
The poise these guys demonstrate. Must we not go back to that? They show anger without acting it. They show intelligence without flouting it. They show determination with grace. There is no better. Love for Humanity.
You touch my heart
We need more of this now more than ever for people to stand up for what is right and beneficial for the good of this country and for all the freedoms that all citizens of this country deserve and our country now as it stands needs this all of our problems climate change gun violence racism inequalities wage disparity have to be addressed God bless these wonderful men
well said
Marlin brando....mentioned all minorities....amazing
This was about the civil rights march on Washington ?
The Black panelists concentrated on the day and what this march on Washington meant to Black people in the USA, that day!
The lack of dealing with the racial problem at hand that day is why there was a march of 200k Black souls !
We had a lifesize Marlin sculpture on our North Hollywood dwelling wall called Marlon .
2016 and we're still talking the same topic..............
smh
Yup.
smh
ninosimone x unfortunately it's still relevant.
Bruno my comment was to say how sad the world is ..how the system is still ugly..we must continue to talk about it..I agree
Everybody pay attention to 10:15,When Brando ask the question,What excuse do we give ourselves for burning children with cattle prods?,he cut him off quick,there is no excuse,an I see Brando as someone who truly was concerned about human rights.
he was the only one on that table who wanted to look at the mechanism of human hate
Thanks. From back when TV still had part of a spine.
just thinking the same when I was watching.
What’s amazing about this discussion is the politeness and civility of everyone. No one is trying to get centerstage. There is a respect and a humility amongst everyone no one is looking for their moment, so to speak so often you see this today when celebrity personalities get together everyone is looking for their particular soundbite.
What was said about being one of the only countries to allow these discussions about civil rights being so wonderful and at the same time so horrible because we have to have such discussions in the first place was right on!
Toni Francis The sad part is, here we are 55 years later still having racial issues!
Glad to know this exists, will watch over and over.
Joe Mankiewicz forced the conversation towards the still unspeakable truth
he ended it when they finally started to discuss the real problem
So inspiring. You don't here this level of dialogue these days. All are so articulate and eloquent, and the struggle is still relevant today.
Not true - you can hear this level of dialogue today - it all depends whether you can be bothered to seek it out
James Baldwin, as eloquent and forthright as ever. Belafonte is passionate and eloquent as well. He gets the "now" MLK spoke of.
this should be required viewing for all students AND politicians today
I am here for James Baldwin 🙏
Imagine if we could have discussions like this on 'popular' talk shows.
+cromagnum yes
These issues are not trivial enough for popular talk shows
We used to have discussions like this on talk shows that’s why they were called talk shows. Nowadays these talkshows, I just vehicles for celebrities to plug the latest book the latest concert tour, their blog or podcast to gain soundbites for their next political or celebrity show and it’s seen as a self promotional tool talk shows in the old days were meant to be thought-provoking and informative because you wanted people to gain information and insight. It seems the populace with a lot more literate also.
As a whole people are way too impatient nowadays to even endure, a show like this people would be complaining that it takes too long. Why don’t they get to the point blah blah blah because people in this culture like excitement they like controversy they like noise they like conflict and soundbites not information
7 brilliant men who are speaking their thoughts with intelligence without screaming, yelling and forcing others to accept their opinions. Yes, let's go back to that time when people were able to have conversations with each other without forcing their opinions down the throats of other individuals.
You have to wonder if something like this could happen today? Imagine the great actors, writers and thinkers of today sitting around a table to discuss such crucial movements as these - it is difficult to do so. The 60s was a time of great potential, and it was crushed, and would never be allowed to happen again.
Look what the coward US government did when their greatest ever athlete spoke up. Rejected him the very next second, and for what? For an unjust and aimless war that they had no business getting involved with in the first place
WOW! Would be great to have programming like this again. Joseph L. Mankiewicz, a freedom activist/speaker for social justice...I had no idea. His films continues to be inspiration that I write from..always about the things people do. James Baldwin, always great to listen to him.
how does one "appeal to the conscience" of those who have no conscience?
Did you know that James Baldwin and Marlon Brando use to live together for 4 years. I found this out last week; while writing my paper on literary influences. I chose James Baldwin and his work A Talk To Teachers.
what is your source?
Baldwin befriended actor Marlon Brando in 1944 and the two were roommates for a time.[Field-Douglas 2009]. They remained friends for more than twenty years.
They were lovers, too.
They can't it was a theory.
Baldwin and Brando are my heroes.
aunt it funny how stupid 15 second vine videos can 2 million views in 10 min but the real shit we need to pay attention too never comes close. it's funny how we finally got all this free educating about our selfs on our phones but instead of getting smart people losing sleep and lives over Facebook
U mean technology isnt advancing our culture??......awwwwww maaaaaaaaan.
what a stupid example
Paris Hilton Sez the gal who named herself after an ubertwat.
wow. Much respect to all participants in that table. I didn't knew M. Brando was such an outspoken decent human being; read his bio in Wikipedia and came searching for footage. I'm pleasantly surprised. A very corageous human overall.
Poor millenial 🤦🏻♂️
Marlon Brando was a genius as an actor and also as a human being.
Wikipedia? seriously ?
You better go read a book on Brando's biography.
@@capitanfuturo594 His daughter would have begged to differ.
@@capitanfuturo594 yeah Wikipedia about him really wild and too much gossip and there are Soo many bad biografi too about him. only his autobiography and his documentary tape i trust.
she was mentally ill....
Brando was the bomb
Joe Mangovich says it correctly, human right! You cannot demand something that doesn't exist. What in the world is a civil right? Human rights are afforded to those who are considered humans. Something concrete that can be brought up in court, like Malcolm X was getting to before he was cut down.
This was far too short. Thank you for this post! #heavyweights #2017
I'm enjoying everybody gathered around with a good smoke talking in a way you would never see on tv today, an open an honest discussion about race between whites and blacks.
This is so amazing. Sadly it could be aired today and not be a whole lot different.
Sidney Poitier (February 20, 1927) Harry Belafonte (March 1, 1927) ... both still alive today September 1, 2018 at 92. To: Sirs... With Love!!
Rest In Peace 1/7/2021
They ran out of time right when Baldwin was saying the deepest thing any of them had said.
This is important for humanity, we should have more discussions like these with each other. We need NOT to be told what we can or can't talk about with each other as human beings.
Wow, something like this could never never never happen today. Can you imagine getting all of these entertainment and literary giants together in one place?
And giving them thirty minutes without interruption! The media today has been corrupted, and this is a big part of the problem.
Sidney Poitier seems the most troubled and discouraged on the panel.
Mr. Belefonte deserves the graditude and respect of his fellow blacks and from those of us who defend the worth, dignity and god given rights of all human beings. Brando expresses a fundamental truth when he speaks of fear and hatred in the human heart. The Old Testament prophet Jeremiah says it this way, The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can understand it.
James Baldwin is always inspiring ~
He’s very smart I love him and Toni Morrison 🤎
Scandalously short discussion,could have listened to these fascinating people for hours.
This is wonderful to listen to
This conversation is as relevant today as well as over 50 years ago
THIS WAS TRUELY AMAZING!
James Baldwin at the end of this conversation debate kicks ass
I am impressed at how articulate each of these men are. it seems people presently in general do not express themselves as well even among the educated. Has the English language been diminished? Has ordinary education been corrupted, brought to the lowest common denominator?
props for them for talking publicly about these issues even though it affected their careers they got a lot of hate and death threats over this!! lost a lot of money and many people stopped supporting them and boycotted their movies it’s ridiculous
nooo it was getting really good! They were really starting to talking about crucial topics and issues.
High level content. Good stuff
Still relevant and resonant. Worth viewing.
God Bless you!! this is amazing!!!
James Baldwin is the most intelligent person on this panel.
Only one man whose still alive here, Belafonte. His comments and references were the only POV that are still relative today. Maybe a little Baldwin too. Just goes to show where most people's mindsets were at.
Wow!!! I never knew that 18 black men in prison had broken their legs with sledgehammers to bring attention to black conditions in America.
I bet John Wayne would have called Marlon Brando a traitor - Well he almost did at the Academy Awards in 1973.
...when brando was speaking about native american rights
John Wayne is a racist who cares what he would have said
This was the glory days of TV
Incredible some of the true titans that are all gone now Bellafonte and Poitier both died fairly recently Charlton Heston ,Baldwin …we are so lucky to still have all this amazing and important footage available 60 years later ,what an insight into the past, and in reality, it wasn’t that long ago.
Gosh I wish this was longer! So many beautiful thoughts that we won't have gotten the chance to hear
@19:50 propably the most important interruption of the discourse and what we can now understand in full it's relevance and validity in full.
Beautiful people working for justice and equality for all
Man what incredible men we need more men like this
So sad that we are still talking about this but it shows we still have a lot to do. Glad to see that Belafonte and Mankeiwitz were not mincing words and were pushing the fact that it is our (whites) problem/issue. SIGH.
Carol Levison Mankiewicz was way ahead of his time. He wanted Dorothy Dandridge as the lead in Cleopatra.
Marlon reminds me of Muhammad Ali in that both excelled in respective fields & both became global icons for boots-on-the-ground, unsexy activism.
I wish Jane Goodall could dunk & Carl Sagan had a black belt, they’d trend so hard forever.
funny, the people seemed so much more civilised than in the way the interact today.
marlon brando love forever
Profound all these men are heroes and great men of integrity
Brando at 26:00 "The Negroes now are giving us a lesson"...in the ebb and flow of history. Surprised Brando would see this issue in terms of us and them, them making us better. Baldwin, a few years later, would have gone ballistic on such a narrow, white driven perspective.
Speaking of marginalization, please note that no woman is included.
Jean Marie Ragus Irrelevant. But go ahead. An Asian, Native American, or latino wasn't included either. Is that marginalization as well?
Edit: I was wrong. A black women and a white woman would have brought a lot more diversity to this conversation, especially at a time when black women were the most marginalized group in America.
Sir Mikel Its about race relations - black women were just as affected. No native american is marginalization, if the topic was civil rights for native americans.
+Sir Mikel Irrelevant that black women were not present in the discussion of black rights? Interesting
Olivia Murphy I long forgot about this comment I made. I know what you're getting at. I'll admit. I was wrong. It wasn't irrelevant. I agree that this talk would've been more interesting if there were a woman; especially a black women involved. I personally would have loved to see a woman in this discussion. It would have added to the marginalization of black women within and without the civil rights movement. One thing we must not forget was that women were looked down upon in those days for speaking their mind. That's why women like Marilyn Monroe did things for the civil rights movement and black artist on the down low. How many famous black celebrities were as outspoken as Harry B. and Sydney P. back in those days?
+Olivia Murphy put the phone down and wash the dishes
lmao @ Joe Mankiewicz releasing Cleopatra that very year
+charlie mattis Wasn't Cleopatra a Ptolemy ?, Peace.
That particular Cleopatra was. She would still have been a bit darker in appearance though. Greek people in that area in general are much closer to an olive bronze shade than a porcelain pink...but I digress.
Crazy to think Brando and Paul Newman are both there
Excellent piece of history.Wonderful panel. I only wish I had knowledge of this video when I was teaching.
I only wish schools all over North America would use this video as a tool to introduce ‘ why the word Nigger.’
These men put their carreers on the line to do what was right Belafonte touched my heart Brando thoughtful soulfol to the point Heston dignified and caring touches my heart
Amazing! So much beauty, eloquence, and courage is most inspiring to see. My only issue is that there are no women at this forum. It is 1963 and three months later, JFK would be assassinated, and the world would never be the same. Those people who lived through these terrible times have been forever changed by it. I am surprised to see Charleton Heston, however, as my impression of him was forever changed when I saw him give that awful NRA speech. Glad to know he got this issue right.
MLK also dead. Malcom X also murdered. The casualties of this war are still being murdered by scared bigots.
I remember this . I was only 9 years old but it made me fully aware how cruel and vile this country is.And in 2017 how it's still relevant it is today.
It's 2022 and it's gotten worse
I support this struggle 100% , Lovely men...but sadly..not a woman to be seen. Silenced.
The elephant in the room? No women.
And no gay or lesbian. A part from closeted James Baldwin, who never talked in public as an openly gay man, unfortunately. Many conquests had to be achieved still in Aug 1963.
This footage is 1963, and we still have a human rights problem in this country? Sad
Only 60 years ago
It's really a goddamn shame what Charlton Heston became.
Yeah, I will have to be real careful regarding what I become too . . .
we've become so embarrassingly dumb
speak for yourself
A truly great and honorable man intelligent and a man with true empathy and social concious
Brilliant!
Wow. It is true what they say that history repeats itself. I can envision a roundtable like this and the same words being used today.
OakhillSailor Who should be at the table now ? 2018..who's worthy?
It’s been forgotten but Heston was a lifetime member of the naacp and the urban league. Secondly Eddie Smith who was the cofounder of the Beverly Hills Hollywood naacp and the Image Awards , as well as the Hollywood Black Stuntmen’s Association, was at the March. He met James Garner whose company Cherokee productions was the first to sign with the BSA. Until then it was still acceptable to put white men in blackface to do stunts. Also, Mr Smith told me himself that Heston allowed the BSA to meet at his home on Saturdays.
Brando was so real for bringing up native land rights out of nowhere, what a chad
"Struggle for jobs and freedom"
The moderator should be ashamed of himself.
This is a great discussion, but its abject dearth of women is glaring.
Wow i didn't know heston talked about politics
Classic this generation will never witness anything like this Black or White
A dignified articulate discussion. This level of debate is sadly lacking today. How disappointing that so much of what is discussed here is still relevant today more than 50 years later.
This level of debate is not lacking today - however, seeking it out requires effort
@@BernieHollandMusic and THAT is the point! These debates used to be featured on the major TV networks, now they are buried away on obscure cable/satelitte stations and on the internet. Fewer people are aware of their existence or access them. Back in the day these high profile debates did have an impact on an important section of the viewership of the big channels, providing water cooler discussion points.
Great discussion, but I wish they could've had double the time because they only touched the surface. On another note, it's very troubling that our children have to learn true history from sources other than their schools. We need total education reform which includes curriculums that enable discussion and understanding of where we came from and why so that we can become a UNITED nation.
lmao listen to those two non-brando white guys talking about how the civil rights movement started with jefferson and lincoln... brando talks about how its a global and historical issue
the only one who saw it as a human problem
This issue is as relevant nowadays as it was then...and to think that all of these people are now dead, I felt like everything they fought for were in vain. We are all children of God and should act like one!❤
Sidney Poitier (90) and Harry Belafonte (90) are both still very much alive!
Rest in peace Harry Belafonte
At the time of typing this comment, the only two men in this interview who are still alive are Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier.
The coolest, most sane and articulate group of geezers who'll ever be allowed to speak openly on American Tee-Vee. Ever again, sadly.
geezers. lol
POWERFUL
Sidney Potter. :D
*Poitier