Card Driven Games | Monthly Debrief S3E6 | June 2023 | The Players' Aid
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Undisputedly my favourite wargame channel
"I wasn't on the losing side..." made me laugh out loud. Love your channel. The banter and breakdown of games is great. So many of the games on my shelves are because of this channel.
Thank you so much. I love this channel. I also appreciate that you are rated G and I can encourage kids to listen. You guys are wargaming evangelists more than you know as your enthusiasm is infectious!
I want you guys to know how appreciated your videos are. I have a very stressful job but getting home and watching one of your monthly debriefs just puts me right at ease and helps me decompress. Thank you!
Love your channel. And I love Card Driven Games (CDGs). And I consider Combat Commander and Commands & Colors CDGs. I noticed you didn't mention (unless I missed it) GMT's CDG Solo System. It is a mechanism (originated by Stuka Joe) for playing various CDGs solo. And there is a CDG Solo System #2 coming out soon that adds even more games to the system. P.S. When you were wondering about a CDG about the end of the Third Reich, my first thought was WWII Barbarossa to Berlin which is the WWII version of Paths of Glory.
You should do the Monthly Debrief once a week... I know, I know, nonsensical. So it can be the Weekly Debrief. I just want more!
They should change their underwear every day. Assuming their underwear is briefs.
A marvelous channel indeed! It’s so conversational and an engaging discourse. All the personal anecdotes. I love it! Thank you as always!
Perfect timing for this video. Recently I’ve been going on a binge of playing the classics Paths of Glory, For the People, Empire of the Sun, and Labyrinth. Even was able to bring out Illusions of Glory.
Thanks again for the shout out for Field Commander Robert E. Lee at 45:09 :) :) Always appreciated!!! :) :) :)
1960 is my #1 game (right now, anyway) and I love it. So much more than the Twilight Struggles and such, mainly because when your opponent plays your event, you *can* play it but you have to spend a Momentum token to do it. If you don't have any, I guess you can't play it.
That difference where it's possible but not automatic makes it that much more enjoyable for me, and makes it a bit more tactical if your hand is full of opponent's events (which one can I tempt my opponent to spend their 1 token for and then play the other more devastating ones after that.
Hegemony is a great game got it in April and taught it over a dozen times….. what a joy
Mr President arrived on July 5th! On the table this weekend !
Grant...he probably swapped the boxes before the video. Was it out of your sight at ANY point?
Also his copy of Unhappy King Charles was upside down. He's a serial box abuser
I always enjoy your shows. Honestly,I think this was one of your best!
Excellent monthly debrief. As always a great rapport between you both. I like your top three.
Wow, thanks TPA for this video. Learned A TON!
Really interesting subject and great discuss, I love your choices
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Well, you may not believe it, but Wilderness War wasn't released on 2012, but on 2001.
Yeah, that's right. Volko had been mind blowing wargamers decades ago, whilst some of us are decades late enjoying it.
Edit: Btw, great video as always ❤.
Very excited to hear that People Power is different than the others.
Two thoughts:
Here I Stand can definitely accommodate several new/casual gamers. There are two factions that need an experienced HIS player--the Hapsburgs and the French. The other 4 don't even need to know all the rules and/or they are somewhat shielded by other factions such that they can focus on one thing. I've played many HIS games with n00bs, and the Papacy won one of them.
A somewhat obscure CDG is The Trial of Louise Real, which portrays the treason trial for a Canadian revolutionary. Experienced trial attorneys (like me and my Navy JAGC friends) love this game. It allows you to use cards for evidence during the trial on the merits, or tuck them away for closing argument.
We really enjoyed High Treason.
My favorite intro CDGs are the academy games series, 1775 rebellion being the best but they all work great
Looking forward to hearing more on the trip to Noble Knight, video of their warehouse would be cool. I'm in the Madison area and love making it out there. Great place!
I was 10 years old in 1986 and I sort of remember getting ready to go to school that February morning and was told to stay put instead. The radio and TV was ON in every household following the latest development of the coup that was underway. Jaime Cardinal Sin called on the people to gather in the streets of EDSA to block the government troops that are supposed to attack the 2 army camps that sheltered the coup plotters. At first there were hundreds of protesters but as the day wore on it swelled to thousands. The scenes from the TV was incredible. People stopping armored carriers and tanks. Putting flowers into machine guns. Praying and Singing as one. Not really sure who named it People Power though but the name stuck. Me, the 10 year old boy back then was only happy that school was out for several days! When it was all over and Marcos fled the country, I remember seeing a TV news anchor crying tears of joy. Some months later, the Malacanang Palace was open for a brief time to visitors and I did get to see the 3000 pairs of shoes of Imelda Marcos and their opulent lifestyle!
Fast forward 30+ years later and I'm waiting for the game to arrive thru my friend who ordered a copy for me as well.
Looking forward to your video on Inferno!
I always look forward to your monthly debriefs. I’ve also been playing Frosthaven since its release. It’s a great game and an excellent follow up to Gloomhaven.
Festung Europa (Compass Games) and Shifting Sands (MMP, currently out of print).
Prelude to Rebellion is my favorite CDG. It seems to me after 5 plays solo and opposed that the Patriote player wins every time unless perks are used. There are balancing rules on BGG posted by the designer that gives either side initial perks. You bid for a number of perks. Perks might be the Loyalist player starts off with 3 extra rural counties cubes, for example. Still love the gameplay, though I've yet to finish a game that didn't end in an automatic victory . My opposed play was via the excellent Vassal module but FTF would be the best way to play. Love the map layout with all the scoring tracks, urban and rural counties tracks. Looking forward to Prelude to Revolution also.
Richard III is such a tight game. Fantastic game. Converting a noble is a major event, because its like a +2 advance (+1 to you, with a -1 to the enemy at the same time). Great game. If you ever get a chance to play Cousins' War (from Surprised Stare Games in the UK), that is a great War of the Roses Game too. Small box game. They have a new one out set around the El Cid era; possibly called 3 Sanchos. Its on KS soon.
Big Red 1 Looks Good. I have all the Heroes of Black Reach stuff. Great game. I also have Heroes of Stalingrad. Hope they do more East-Front stuff.
They did a War Stories expansion pack for the east front. Otto Carius, a German tank ace, vs a T-34 platoon.
TRC is simply a classic. Superb short scenarios.
For GMT games there is a 4 digit code on the box the first two numbers is the year and the last two numbers is the game number published that year. The reprinted GMT games will have a dash with another two digit code for the year of that printing.
The More You Know
Go Hoosiers! 😊
Verdun 1916 Steel Inferno is my favourite CDG right now
West Lafayette. Good job! Hegemony was a really good time! Gotta get Grant some new shirts in black and gold! 😁
Excellent watch, and they didn't even cover my 2 favorite cdg games: Napoleonic Wars, and Shifting Sands
1) Kingdom of Heaven
2) Barbarians at the Gates
3) Wilderness War
Need to play KoH. We have but it’s unplayed.
@@ThePlayersAid It is incredible, and the amount of content in the box is insane.
Ah, Grant you have to play Field Commander: Napoleon. Switching to the battle map adds all new tactical decisions and puts it on a different level than the others.
Great stuff as always! One thing I have started to notice is that the pace of game releases can lead to you guys having less time to spend on each individual game. Would love to see some “where are they now” vids to see which games have gotten more play over time, and how your thoughts have changed (or not) with more play time. Cheers!
Agreed, this is something we’ve talked about doing videos on.
You should give Car Wars Sixth Edition from Steve Jackson Games a try. You might even get your wives involved as it makes for a great team game. You may be surprised at the sheer fun to be had.
+1 Car Wars 6th is amazing. I am a Classic CW fan and was a bit reluctant to go to 6th. Glad I did. Only play 6th now. Last week I got the 2 mini sets I did not get at KickStarter.
@@jon7043 I was playing Car Wars in the early '80s. While the new edition is different, yes, it is still a lot of fun, and far more quickly played to a finish.
Hey guys, I have a solution to your problem...giveawayS ! Then you will share your problem with your viewers. I will be pleased to help as I still have some shelf space free.
Could you guys do a video with your tips on how to learn a new game? You play so many games with huge rulebooks; meanwhile I have Enemy Action Ardennes sitting on the shelf for months because it is so daunting to tackle that rulebook... how do you do it (and, do you find the effort worth it when you often only play a game once or twice?)
well Im filipino Chinese born in 67 Manila now living in Vancouver Canada for like 30 years and yah I grew up in Marcos martial law, protested vs. Marcos in 85-86 go involved in the street protests in Mendiola bridge Recto got tear gassed and chased by riot police everyday for months of protests and watched movies like Django later and back again the next day marching towards the Presidential palace and I took part in the EDSA march vs. Marcos during 86 people, and Im a board wargamer and RPG enthusiast since 1980. So Im not offended by the ignorance of the Players aid commentators but I can tell you that the People Power game is very historically accurate, yah the Opposition reformers had a tenous alliance with the NPA communist guerillas vs. the Marcos gov. but after Marcos was kicked out and the opposition reformers took over Cory Gov. things very much soured between the opposition and the NPA and the NPA actually launched a urban guerilla offensive in the late 80s vs. the Cory government which failed badly for the NPA. Well in my opinion the period of the Cory gov 1986 to 1992 is probably the most craziest time when I was growing up in the PHilippines, its even crazier than the 1981 to 1986 game. from 1986 to 1992 I went thru: two bloody coup attempts, a failed economy, high crime rates , daily blackouts, political chaos, an earthquake, a volcanic explosion, NPA assasinations in Manila , flooding of Manila. etc. etc. etc. My family immigrated to Canada starting 1989(we tried to get USA green card but failed starting in 83) to get away from the perceived politicla economic and social problems in the Philippines. Interesting that now the son of Marcos bong bong is President of the Philippines.
You guys could have talked for 5 hours and it would have felt just as fast. Great stuff as usual.
You covered more than a few games that I was looking at and your opinions are worth more than most. I’d love to get some more coverage of the White Dog games and perhaps your thoughts on Save South Vietnam that is touted in some circles, as being one of the better solo Vietnam themed games. Best to you both. Cheers.
Ive find that one of the best game to introduce players to COIN game, is not even a COIN game! But Robotech : Reconstruction is a great game to give the feel of the COIN, and if they like it than jump in the series!
Bleeding Kansas probably my favourite CDG it’s not complicated so can be played with new gamers.
Curious for other folks thoughts…where does the “Undaunted” series fall? Card driven? Card assisted? Technically, the cards don’t drive events, but are your method of activating units for combat on the board. Great vids…thanks!
Because the cards are used in a mechanism under an already established banner, which covers their use; I would call it a Deck Builder.
'Sword Of Rome' looks like a fun multi-player CDG (5 or 6 players max) but for some reason part of the manual was confusing me the way it was written. Been quite awhile but I recall having to read a few parts multiple times. It doesn't seem to be too difficult compared to some other CDGs but some bits didn't stick in my noggin very well. Perhaps it was just my reading comprehension or focus failing at the time. Looks great, though.
For reference we played it at five players (max) and honestly I would recommend it at four.
@@ThePlayersAid - Thanks! Good info!
Would you guys ever consider coming to Consimworld monster board gaming convention in Phoenix AZ at the end of August? Great event with a lot of massive war games.
Yes we’ve thought about it. One day we will.
Bayonetts & Tomahawks baby!!
Loads of great comments saying how great the channel is….are you all mad!? These guys are sending me broke! They only seem to play good/great games and their enthusiasm and side humour makes every game appear on my wish list. Then, to add insult to injury, they’re actually right. The games are great which means I never want to resell them because one day (maybe) I’ll play it again. Not to mention the way they flaunt that impressive games shelves causing ‘collection envy’ thus leading to more purchases!
And another thing! These 2 cause me to be late for appointments too. Many a time I have just the audio of them playing in the car, only to arrive at my destination not wanting to stop the video. I’ve sat on car parks waiting for the end only to be late for something or have my wife ask why I’m still in the garage when I get home.
I would delete you tube off my phone but I think Players aid have another big video coming out next week and I’ve a lot of gardening to do…..
Really enjoyed this, thanks so much! [=
Not a huge fan of Washington's War compared to adjacent titles like wilderness war, hannible etc. But without question its ease and speed of play is useful.
Were you thinking of Crusade and Revolution (Spanish Civil War) as the big Compass game? That's a great CDG as well
I wasn’t, but I have it and we have yet to play it!
For the People is so good! And never had another name 😊
Put your cards under the cardboard insert if you're looking for more space.
The shipping insert are removed for counter trays. I have ultra pro boxes for the cards for EoTS for example.
You guys are "on it" every month, not just this month! Upsidedown back of box part, ROFLMAO! 😄 (Wait; OMG, are my games upsidedown on the back!?😲) Heroes of Normandie! I love that series/system! The original base game featured the 4th Infantry Division, the Ivy Division. Hernias are no fun 🚫 I do not recommend them. I hope Insurgency 2040 isnt like the game Pandemic, where I said "Well that'll never actually happen"😐 Washington's War is simply outstanding. I loved We the People, but Washington's War is just so much better.
Will we see a review for Hegemony? I can recommend it at 3 players as well (some people even seem to prefer it at that player count).
Yes review in the future!
American Revolution yeah!
Are you guys ever coming to Arizona for Consimworld GameExpo in late August?
Would love to, but not this year (and most likely not next) one day we will, however!
You guys have so many games! How do you play them all, and have a family to boot?
Neglect!
@@ThePlayersAid 0.0
Have you guys played the new GCACW game On to Richmond ll yet? It just came out last month.
No :(
At some time guys you got to cut some of those games that you don't play out of your collections. That way you will have room for new games. I am about out of room and I have to be very selective about what I purchase. Best of luck dealing with these issues, it is something that all war gamers have to deal with.
We’re about to do a MASSIVE purge of games in the next few months and take them to Noble Knight on a road trip.
Show the back of the box, pleaaaaase
I want to throw _The Conquerors: Alexander the Great_ and _Clash of Monarchs_ (both GMT) into the ring ;)
I have both (just unplayed)
I have a sign copy of Paths Of Glory from Ted Racier. Would love have my copy of Empire Of the Sun my Mr. Herman
How can I check out your war game Watch ? Where can I check them? Grant 46.27
At theplayersaid.com
We The People under Hasbro. Thus title change.
Ah, classic Hasbro…
wow... Jimmy Kimmel really let himself go :(
Marcos wife shoes shoes shoes shoes!😆
if there is a 1986 to 1992 scenario: it would be the PH gov(used to be the reform opposition in the 1981-1986 scenario). vs. the opposition(an combination of former marcos gov. and opposition and disgruntled military men angry at the Cory gov) vs. the NPA. the PH gov in this scenario would be weaker vs. an opposition with more teeth that can do coup attempts and a stronger NPA/Moro faction. In this scenario its not 2 vs 1, its more 1v1v1. each trying to achieve their victory conditions. the PH gov wins by surviving until game end and getting Ramos elected int he PH presidential elections of 92. Opposition wins with Ramos losing the PH presidential election of 92. NPA wins by a revolutionary victory. communist takeover of the PH gov.
How much replayability does 13 Days have?
I've only played it a few times, but it seems like the type of game where you eventually play the player and second guess each other as you play.
Plenty for a game with a low price tag like that! It’s very tight.
AH published FTP same title.
For the People. Play James Pei and learn to lose in 17 minutes. Lol😂
Compass Games rulebooks man :(