I remember England invoking The Spirit of Cricket when Jos Buttler got mankaded by Sri Lanka. So my impression is that The Spirit of Cricket is whatever allows the England player to get away with terminal lapses in concentration.
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN england and sportsmanship is just an oxymoron. I mean the whole "spirit of cricket" terminology was created around the bodyline series, in which the wider sports world considered england to be cheating even though legally they weren't. or the infamous stuart broad not walking or joe root claiming a catch that rolled too him or ben stokes purposefully deflecting a ball to the boundary and willingly claiming the runs in order to win a world cup final on a boundary countback or the english exploiting a substitute fielder rule or the english using things such as mentos and dirt/sand in the pockets to ball tamper (different scandals/instances) or the most telling argument is jonny bairstow himself doing what alex carey did (but missing) multiple times against multiple australian batsmen this very test, likely under the instruction of ben stokes... who also failed to stop bairstow from doing it yet he claimed he wouldn't let it happen (blatant lie)
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN yes, sandpaper happened... but that is the one incident of ball tampering in australia's history. england ball tampered in 2005, mike atherton famously ball tampered and both broad and anderson were exposed for ball tampering in the early 2010s. (and that is all in the last 20 odd years alone) when you go throughout history, englands rapsheet is actually significantly longer than australias. australia have more ICC trophies, england have more ICC bans.
Jarrod's analysis is completely in a different league than others. completely logical.. never swept up in narratives.. thanks for pointing it out that stokes is an avg./above avg. ordinary player in normal circumstances (i felt that too) but at the same time thank you for introducing me to the idea that he becomes exceptional in tight/single-choice situations.
Absolutely! Even many of the writers on Cricinfo get swept by narratives, like (in a recent article) Matt Roller. Too often writing becomes about the florid language you use and not the logical rigour
25 quid crowd members created a scene a Lord's, right! Cuz if you look at the Long Room, everyone in their was decorous and in their most gentlemanly selves.
imagine if Bairstow remembered that he tried to "stump" Labuschagne on the 3rd day.....but Starc's catch on the 4th day was the "letter of the law" until the 5th Day....when Bairstow was stumped..suddenly the "letter of the law" didn't matter
Very, very good video. You're a master at what you do. The excitement in your voice was so clear. Its so clear how much you love cricket. I wish you a million subscribers man. I wish you never die and keep making these videos forever, and I never die and I keep watching them forever.
"He was not looking for an advantage" is like saying "I wasn't looking to hit the ball" when you edge one caught. It literally does not matter whether you were looking for an advantage, runouts are dependent on where you are relative to a crease, not intending to score runs.
Thanks Jarrod for your analysis of the Spirit of the game. If you want to go down this road of bad sportsmanship nothing comes close to the gold standard of Bodyline theory. For those who came in late it was invented by England to stop Bradman. It offered the batter two options. Risk serious physical injury and possible death or get out. It too was well within the laws of the game as they existed at that time. So I would really appreciate less mendacity from English supporters as Carey's stumping doesn't even get close to the premeditated nastiness of bodyline.
Completely spot on about Stokes and his gears, Jarrod. I've got to the point where I , an anyone-but-England-bloke, fear Stokes the most in situations like this, in a way I haven't really feared an opposition batter, ever. It seems the worst thing you can do to Stokes is to corner him, because at that point, his approach to batting is some of the most clear-headed and lucid. It is a miracle to behold, English supporter or otherwise.
If batsman hit straight to bowler for last ball of the over Bowler frustrated and throw to wickets and it goes in to four would they take that runs or not
I think the most interesting titbit to the whole bairstow saga is that almost the exact same thing happened in the very first test australia won in England in 1882 where the ever famous W. G. Grace stumped an Australian after a single where he was inspecting the pitch. It was clearly given out and was said to spur on the Aussies to victory. But we're the cheats....
Andrew Strauss and Eoin Morgan, 2 former England captains said in the post match analysis that the Bairstow incident was ok and they would've appealed too.
"Test to keep"! Well said. Cannot wait for more drama starting Thursday. But there is a real fear that Eng would lose this series in the next test unless they keep their heads.
Rubbish test lucky for stokes would of being worst test ever by any country shit bowling by Australia cause england were on top 20 runs in 3 hours not good for game or Steve Smith run maker facing rubbish only bloke from Australia that was upset watch end of game
Jarrod, your reviews are so good, I wouldn’t care if you were reading from your own script. But if you are speaking unscripted on your videos, you get bonus points from me. Great job!
This Australian team is a really solid test team.. they lost the toss, they batted on Day 1 in the most bowler friendly day of the match, lost Lyon, faced Ben Stokes in beast mode.. still they came up on top.. they have batters and bowlers for all conditions.. They are going to be the team to beat for the next 5 years..
@@thecricketfanofficial8092 they didn't have green for which they couldn't field three spinners at nagpur. They fielded two offies where jadeja was the highest wicket taker.
1981 England vs India, Kris Srikanth on his debut was run out by Embury, similar to Bairstow and English captain did not recall Srikanth. Where was the English "spirit of the game" then?
@@TheGeorgeous such a smart reply! however i think character is important in sport. It is entertainment after all. The Aussies are winners but cheap winners.
Excellent analysis as always. i would add one extra fact that contributed to England's loss which was not mentioned was the fact that England had given up a mind boggling 74 runs as extras. It was only Stokes innings made it look close and he was dropped twice as I recall.
I will always remember it as a great test match. Both sides battled hard and at the end of it all there was only one winner. But Ben made it win or lose game by his awesome batting. But the damage had been done the evening before. 4 wickets, including Root gone, just made it that much harder. If they started day 5 only 2 down, then it would have been different story. Just to add, I was taught at age 10 to always stay in my crease until Over was called. This video missed that McCullum ran out Collingwood (the same way Carey did) , in an NZ/Eng ODI in NZ, and Vettori as Capt did not call Colling wood back. So when he talks about the Spirit of the game he should remember his deeds as he has done it a few times.
Remember Ian Bell's run out in a a series vs India. He decided that he hit a boundary but the ball did not cross the boundary. The public and he cried for a second chance and Dhoni magnanimously obliged.
I think Australia got their tactics wrong at the end there. I've never been a fan of having 9 fielders on the boundary, you still need to try and get them out in other ways that let's wait for him to slog it to one of the boundary fielders, and some of the bowling was atrocious, they just kept feeding his pull shot, he was just sat back and waiting for it. The moment they changed their line to outside of he struggled to get it away. Even towards the end when it seemed like it took an eternity to get that final wicket, they were just getting carried away with the short stuff. I was thinking please can someone bowl at the stumps, Josh Tongue was exposing all his stumps. The moment Mitch starc finally bowled one at the stumps he got bowled. I think starc has to play just to limit the number of tail end runs if nothing else
I mean... I think both teams have played averagely, *especially* with the ball. But with Australia being 8ks an hour quicker it hides it a bit more than 4 of England's 5 bowlers.
This is what makes this whole thing so funny. Bairstow tried the same move and of course Stokes and McCullum standing up for the spirit of the rules immediately pulled him from the field... oh wait... that isn't what happened at all? Bairstow honestly lucky were all taking about how dumb he is instead of his drops.
Poor show from the crowd. Im English and its not funny or entertaining to boo Smith or chant the Aussie cheating shite. The only thing i thought when Bairstow got out was 'Well that was INCREDIBLY stupid.' The mussus just said something about even 12yr olds wouldnt do that(not ground their bat between overs). No idea why people are angry at the Aussies. They're a ruthless, intelligent, and very talented team. What do you expect? Look.. Australia is the best team in the world. Before Stokes innings, i dont believe anyone who knows cricket would choose a single English player to replace an Australian player if you were making the best team between the two. So if you're playing a team , and every single player is better than yours.. and the normal conditions that you're used to aren't there because of the weather? You need to be 100% switched on. No dropped catches, no brain fades , any tactics (which is why i found it absurd when people were whining about Englands session and a half of bouncing.. do you wanna win or not?). Its always a struggle against Australia and India , especially Australia in 2023. There's no room for stupid mistakes or apathy. The cheating chants, which granted, is by maybe 0.01% of England supporters is absurd and boring. Yes it's sad it looks like Australia could win their first Ashes (away) in 2 decades *so early* but it doesn't require silly chants or calls of how the game 'should' be played. Play to win. If its in the rules its legal. If there is an open ... gentleman's agreement like Mankads where 90% of people agree you warn them first, then fine but anything else.. no. And even with Mankadding, moan for a day then learn and move on. If we start implying that the gane must be played with a certain number and style of tactics and strategy, then it just ends up with the best 11 human beings win. That's shite.
I love this. The drama, the animosity, the heroes and villains and the great cricket keeping the audience hanging on every ball. Now this is test cricket! Well done to both teams. 🏏🦁🦘
Chart "Batters with 5500 test runs", is there a better visual demonstration of how good Bradman was? More broadly, is there any sportsperson who was statistically so far ahead of everyone else?
England need to play wood and Ahmed next test...sure it's a gamble but it's a must win game...Ahmed bowls a nice wrong'un that won't be easy for Australia's tail enders and woods pace won't be easy for anyone though his fitness is a issue...
I'm actually surprised how hard it is to find comments from English fans who don't agree Bairstow was clearly out. Someone said that there's a difference between cricket fans and people that go to the cricket for a day out. So kudos to the greater Englishmen who know their cricket.
Most people know its out, the point was how cheap and premediatated it was when the player (bairstow) was not trying to gain an advantage. It ruins the game.
@heretichello8253 Defend it all you want youre missing the point. I dont know all of those situations so cant comment but with it being sport the context is different with each. With this the ball was live and it was out. Its just cheap and ruins a close match. for context I wouldve said the same in reverse and i said the starc catch was out.
Agreed, I'm English and Bairstow was out technically. He was naive and brainless to the extreme, would prefer to see Foakes behind the wicket. But nice to see a genuine Aussie who isn't using this situation as an excuse to show their true hatred towards England, as 95% seem to online and in the media.
@@andy2172 That's it Andy, you'll find the media and people online behind a keyboard don't really represent the greater population. I have great English friends and I don't know anyone who hates England. Have a good day mate and enjoy your nice summer because I'm freezing my arse off down here!
@@richardthompson7572 enough is enough .🤦. Australia actions was well within the laws and following rules is not considered cheap instead the right thing to do. If anything england should focus on winning and improve their performance instead . I am fed up with people like you .🤫😡
Good one Jarod as ever, wish we could have you up in the box, have the right amount of wit, sarcasm, common sense and cricketing knowledge. But I have to admit feeling a little disappointed by this Series, despite the close competition in the two matches. And it is due to the nature of pitches offered - slow and flat with lateral movement only available for small periods when the clouds decided to show up. This has totally negated the one thing that I love to watch in England - swing and drift in the air with reasonable pace, available to both pacers and spinners. And it has turned into a one-dimensional 80 mph short-pitch, wide bowling (were the umpires sleeping?) snorefest, with the rare Cummins / Starc spells under cloudy conditions being the exception. And the less said about the English trundlers (minus Tongue) the better. I enjoy Test cricket primarily to watch batsmen face Swing, Spin and Express Pace and bounce bowlers - the magic is all about beating the batsman in the air and then off the pitch if possible. On the other hand these metronomic line-and-length, seam bowling bots makes me quickly turn off the screen (particularly despise the wobble / scrambled seam deliveries when they get a batsman out, despite the bowler not knowing which way the ball would move). And having to watch everyone dig it up short and wide on these slow surfaces with occasional variable bounce, without even having the respite of Lyon's spin was worse than having to watch paint dry. I don't know, maybe you guys are more invested in these matches than a neutral like me, but neither of the two matches did anything for me. The pitches were so slow and flat and the 5th day in both games didn't do much except for the occasional variable bounce. Neither Cummins' innings last match nor Stokes this match moved me as would have any of the great knocks in close Test matches in the past. The contest despite appearing close on the statsheet seemed all too contrived, there just wasn't much available for bowlers to TEST the batsmen other than resorting to a boring short-pitch tactic. I know people may disagree with me, particularly the Aussie and English fans, but if I am being honest I'd rather watch 2-3 day test matches on Green / Brown minefields where everyball seemed like an event - a real test of survival, than these 5 days seemingly Corporate-contrived contests on soulless pitches.
I feel the same about those bs dust bowls served up in India, with two spinners taking the new ball for the first over of a test match. That’s not real cricket IMO.
The only thing not in the spirit of the game was the crowd, including and most disappointingly, the MCC members. England have been in both tests, sure if you discount that Smith and Labuschagne got practically zero runs between them in the 1st test, not likely to happen again. And in the second they were down Nathan Lyon. Yep England have been in both test or they have been lucky to get as close as they did.
The only breaking of the spirit of cricket here - is bad losers, booing crowds and classless members. Cricket is about accepting an umpires decision, applauding the other team's success and being a humble winner. Bad sportsmanship on display by England. (I'm English and disgusted)
V typical England imo. They were fine running out CDG and Grant Elliot. Baz was fine doing what he did but when it happens to them they don't like it. English fans were absolute melts.
Broad is wrong. I remember Carey taking two important 100+ run partnership breaking catches off Hazlewood. One was well above his head and the other was at point(LH). And that was just in this match. Keepers rarely get man of the match or series but Carey was very good in this game and brilliant in the previous one.
Broad shouldn't be chirping so much after nicking one off to the first slip and just walk away to chat with his partner as if nothing happened while the Aussies kept appealing.
It was for sure out as per the law of cricket. And it's actually funny because it is the same England team who have won a world Cup through technicality and complaining about technicality because this time they are in the receiving end.
Good spot with Brendan McCullum being the keeper for the Murali stumping in 06 👍. I gotta say I was one of those who immediately was outraged but I'm slowly begrudgingly accepting the decision. Definitely a cheap shot though
Can I just say that I disagree that bairstow was not seeking advantage. By not concentrating he would remain fresher longer and was choosing to ignore the pressure and the situation at hand. In these situations that is actually a significant advantage.
Interesting that 3 people were arrested for reminding us all of our imminent existential crisis whereas 3 people had their memberships 'suspended' for one of the worst displays of (up-close) abusive crowd hooliganism in cricket history...consider that in the context of the recent ICEC report and you start to get a sense of the true 'spirit' of English cricket
CANT IMAGINE HOW ENGLAND WILL CRY AFTER LOSING 5.0.THEY WILL SAY AUSTRALIA SHOULD CONCEDED ONE TEST Because SAKE OF SPORTSMANSHIP WHICH ONLY APPLY TO ENGLAND
2:14 So the Aussies saw that Bairstow regularly left his crease? Then they will have also seen that Bairstow time and again tapped his foot down in a time honoured gesture of saying ‘I’m leaving my ground, I’m not going for a run and I’m just going down the pitch for a spot of gardening or a chin wag with my mate.’ But they chose to ignore that gesture didn’t they? And it’s interesting isn’t it how these incidents always occur when the pressure on a team starts to grow. Just looking for that little edge. Bairstow was looking dangerous. So Australia play their ‘it’s within the rules’ card. It’s like Ashwin choosing to Mankad Butler because he was taking the game away from India. We can ignore spirit of the game but if we want the game to descend into pettiness and have bowlers interrupt their bowling stride every over to attempt a Mankad or hurl the ball at the stumps everytime (just in case the batsman leaves his crease) then let’s carry on and ignore all pretence of ‘hard and fair’ or ‘spirit of the game.’ I mean, what was the point of all the Aussie hand wringing after Warner and Smith forced Bancroft into smuggling sandpaper onto the ground? If winning is all that matters, then surely we can expect more Mankad’s from Aussies in the future because it’s ‘within the rules’? Or is spirit of the game only applied selectively by the Aussies so that they feel good about themselves? And by the way, ‘dragging your foot out of your crease is also not taking an advantage’ is not the same as what happened here and to pretend it is, shows the weakness of the argument. Had Bairstow been stood out of his ground to Green, I would have no issue with Carey. Had Bairstow over balanced and in so doing left his crease, or attempted a run, that’s fine too. Hide behind ‘its within the rules’ and ‘Whinging Poms’ and ‘what about the Starc catch’ but the Lords crowd know what they witnessed. And it’s an Aussie team falling back into old habits of winning at all costs.
There have been a massive increase in the number of mankind attempts in Australia club cricket. It is widely accepted as a legitimate form of run out. Only the old people cry about “spirit of the game”.
I agree with the spirit of your comment Mike. I'm completely okay with the run out or the people who say it's within the laws. However, this one does feel a little wrong. Rather, if they had withdrawn the appeal it would have warmed everybody's hearts. Warnie, Hayden have all criticised Mankading (which is totally fine) in my opinion. There was opportunism and some hypocrisy by the Aussies. Starc has previously not Mankaded batters.
In my view Ben handled it really well in the ground and press too... That's how u do not want to win a match. Such a great contest sadly will b remembered for an incident like this.
not comparable. The catch wasnt a catch and bairstow was stumped. The plays were different however, bairstow wasnt gaining anything or still in his batting stroke. Bairstows fault but a cheap, cheap way to win a 5 day match.
@richardthompson7572 see I disagree. I could say that starks catch was a catch and I would have walked if I was the batter...that's in the spirit of the game. Maybe if the batter had walked on the catch then the stumping occasion cummins would have said, ok, they went against the umpire decision for the catch ill go against the umpires decision here...either way, both captains, and fans, have to accept the umpires call. For reference I showed my wife, who does not follow cricket, the stark grounded ball and she said that's not a catch, I showed her the stumping and she said that's out, I was told that rule in pe as a kid...then she said both players must have had brain fades! Hahahaha
@@michaeljohnston8024 woulda shoulda coulda. Its all subjective but after the aussies reputation for cheating (sandpaper) youd think theyd look for ways of making themselves look a little less cheap.
@@richardthompson7572🤣 OH ENGLAND , ENGLAND WON ASHES 2005 OPENLY CHEATING AND EVEN JOKED ABOUT IT🤣.I KNOW YOU ENGLISH PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE PURE AND GODS BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD SHUT UP.
@@richardthompson7572 ENGLAND HAS GONE BACK ON THIS SO CALLED SPIRIT MANY TIMES AND WON WORLD CUPS . ONLY REASON ENGLAND TEAM IS STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY CANT BEAT AUS SO THEIR TRYING TO KEEP THE FOCUS AWAY FROM THE MAIN ISSUE.
Stoksy is a good player, but "great"? I have my doubts. Well, he does have some fabulous achievements but that's mostly by riding his luck. His "greatness" is because on a couple of occasions his luck favoured him on very very important matches, like the WC Finals. That is why he has a paltry average, in spite of being such "great". I really think his "greatness" his overhyped. As they say in cricket, form is temporary but class is permanent. A real class batsman would have a healthy average, and I guess that's the very purpose of having an average, to even out temporary fluctuations. Hence, for me, a batsman or a baller with a paltry average can never be considered as a great. He or she can be considered as effective, but great? As a cricket fan and a keen observer of cricket from a long time, I'm not buying that.
I actually disagree with you on this one completely , if a player drags his foot out it’s probably because the ball has gotten him into this position, so that’s not exactly the same at all.Also you’re right that bairstow can’t decide when the ball is dead but the umpires had started to walk in, even if it’s not the laws that’s a clear indication that the batsman thinks that the ball is dead, the last and most crucial point I would like to make as a neutral fan ,bairstow actually watched if his foot was within the crease or not, this is significant as although he loves to get down the wicket and have a chat he also closely watches his foot after each ball.In conclusion i think we should look at this as an isolated incident and not look at something that the englishmen did 90 years ago or the Aussies 20 years ago. Having said all of this it was out
Not sure it's correct to say that bowler's end umpire visibly looking away from the "action" while preparing for next ball or over etc doesn't make the ball dead. Law 20.1.2 says the ball is dead if it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play. In other words, the umpire's perception of circumstances can make the ball dead. Now you can argue about whether the umpire in this case should or should not have thought it was clear that all the fielders had ceased to regard the ball as in play. But the umpire would not have behaved the way he did unless, rightly or wrongly, he felt it was clear that all players had ceased to regard the ball as in play. And the umpire's view of that, in itself, made the ball dead according to the laws - the laws make clear that the ball doesn't have to be called dead to be dead. This isn't just a technicality. With the umpire right in Bairstow's sightline, his actions and behaviour are clearly signalling to Bairstow whether and when Bairstow should treat the ball as dead. Irrelevant in those circumstances what one of the fielding side might be doing with the ball behind Bairstow's back - once the ball has been bowled and missed and the batsmen clearly aren't running, if the umpire then visibly starts ignoring what's going around him and dealing with his paraphernalia in his pockets in preparation for next ball or next over, that can only reasonably be understood to signal to the striker that the ball is now dead. Since all that apparently happened before the bails were dislodged, doesn't that make it not out?
@@vinceryan4131 I think you missed my point. I agree its not up to the batsman to call the ball dead. The ball becomes dead under 20.1.2 without anyone calling it dead, based purely on the perception of the bowler's end umpire. As soon as that umpire starting behaving as if it was dead, the ball was dead, Bairstow was entitled to leave his crease and couldn't be out.
Except Carey throwing the ball less than a second after getting it is very obvious that the fielding side did not consider the ball dead and so the umpire can not consider it a dead ball. If he did, he was wrong which isn’t Australia’s fault. All of this is moot because it was all reviewed by the third umpire who concluded it was a fair dismissal. What’s been appalling is the gross overreaction by most English fans and media. Calling another team cheats and abusing them all because they were opportunistic with Bairstow’s weakness. Worse still, grandstanding about some ‘spirit of cricket’ nonsense when they themselves have been found wanting in that regard in the past, and if it was an English player with that bit of clever play he’d have been lauded as exposing the aussies carelessness.
@@bobs_sa8480 to be clear, I don't think Casey did anything wrong or against the spirit of the game. I agree Casey reacted too quickly for this to be a situation where he noticed the umpire (who may even have been blocked from his view by Bairstow) behaving as if the ball was dead, noticed Bairstow reacting to that, and expolited the situation. Casey could reasonably believe the ball was live, so from his perspective it was just quick thinking and taking a perfectly legitimate chance. But the laws don't give Casey the power to make the ball live again if the bowler's end umpire is clearly treating it as dead. And I said above, there is a discussion to be had about whether it was correct of the the bowler's end umpire to think it was clear that everyone considered the ball was out of play. But the laws are clear that if the umpire did think it was clear, then the ball becomes dead. And by his actions the umpire must have thought it was clear, otherwise it is simply unthinkable that a test match umpire would have taken his eye off the ball and the players, looked down and started fiddling with his pockets or paraphernalia. I'm also doubtful that the third umpire reviewed the point I'm making, i.e. whether the umpire behaving as if the ball was dead made it dead. Normally the third umpire's powers of review are really narrow - eg in this case, was Bairstow out of his crease when the bails fell. I can understand why the umpires might have felt the need to refer that question to the third umpire, because obviously neither of them were looking so they had no idea. But my point is that that same circumstance that the umpires had obviously stopped looking was clear evidence that they had - rightly or wrongly - started treating the ball as dead before the bails came off. Which according to the laws meant the ball was dead and it was not out, so the referral shouldn't even have been made to the third umpire. If Bairstow was led by the bowler's end umpires behaviour into understanding the ball was dead before he left the crease, that is a legitimate reason for him and England players and fans to feel aggreived that he was then given out, because according to the laws he shoudln't have been out in that case. But I totally agree with you that anger at Australia is misplaced and unjustified. People don't get angry with a fielding team who attempt a run out when the decision that then goes against the batter is dubious. It's the terrible umpiring they should be angry at. Not really different here.
@@davidloveday8473 the umpires themselves were careless because they assumed the ball would be dead, but that assumption doesn’t make it so. They need t9 be satisfied the batter and fielding side are regarding the ball as dead, if they had taken that split second and not prematurely looked away, they’d have seen Carey throwing the ball and very much regarding it as live still. I can understand if Carey had delayed, feigned like the over was done, the umpires seeing that then accepting the ball was dead and then Carey attempting a stumping. That would be bad sportsmanship. If Carey released that ball in 0.8s, that means it took less time than that for the umpires to assume the ball was dead and that’s just not possible. I also doubt Barstow was basing his actions on the bowler’s end umpire’s; he’d been wandering out time and time again, I just think he like the umpires prematurely expected the ball to go dead. Further, if the umpires were convinced the ball was dead and had called ‘over’ all in the 0.8s it took Carey to throw, they would have simply told Cummins that ‘actually sorry, the over has been called the ball is dead’, the fact they didn’t and referred it up to the third umpire for the stumping itself means they accepted the ball was still live even if they had looked away assuming it was done. It’s a lapse in judgement from their part as well no doubt, maybe Bairstow was influenced by it ( again, I think he made his own separate assumption) but none of that should take away from Carey being sharp and aware enough. But sport is emotional and fans will often be not be impartial, but it’s these sort of tight margins that separate the elite professionals from more casual levels where mistakes are forgiven. Just as it takes skill to score a century, it also takes it to keep your concentration and stay switched on at all times, and a team shouldn’t be vilified for when they make use of that in their game as well. Admittedly not to a malicious level, but I think we can agree one stumping attempt to a player repeatedly showing a lapse is hardly cause to string a whole team up by their boots and ban them from cricket.
I got one question though. What’s the difference to when batsmen walk away from their crease because they are not ready when the bowler is in the middle of their bowling run up and the Bairstow incident? The umpires doesn’t call it a dead ball beforehand but only as a result from the batsmen’s actions. The same when a bowler fails to bowl a knuckle ball and drops it mid release. Surely what Bairstow did was the same. He re-marked his crease before setting out every time after a ball is bowled, signalling to everyone that he thinks that ball is done and is not looking for a run and is preparing for the next. His actions, therefore, says that it is a dead ball.
England cricket is becoming “cry babies” behaving in a very uncivilized manner, booing and screaming for pity! Play the game, be sporty and extend your hospitality to the visitors. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!
Love Jarrod subtly alpha-ing the bloke in charge of MCC laws 😂 Got him out in a club game.
Thus far we've had Edgbaston 2005 and Headingly 2019, only with reversed outcomes. I wonder if that's going to be a trend for this series.
Want a 81 ?
Happy for a 1989 or 1993
Mark Wood to become Bob Willis at Headingley but Australia to win by one wicket with an inside edge past the stumps
This bloke loves his cricket and I'm all for it! What an awesome analysis!
I remember England invoking The Spirit of Cricket when Jos Buttler got mankaded by Sri Lanka. So my impression is that The Spirit of Cricket is whatever allows the England player to get away with terminal lapses in concentration.
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN if you're referring to Ollie Pope and Colin de Grandhomme... no, he was definitely out.
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN england and sportsmanship is just an oxymoron.
I mean the whole "spirit of cricket" terminology was created around the bodyline series, in which the wider sports world considered england to be cheating even though legally they weren't.
or the infamous stuart broad not walking
or joe root claiming a catch that rolled too him
or ben stokes purposefully deflecting a ball to the boundary and willingly claiming the runs in order to win a world cup final on a boundary countback
or the english exploiting a substitute fielder rule
or the english using things such as mentos and dirt/sand in the pockets to ball tamper (different scandals/instances)
or the most telling argument is jonny bairstow himself doing what alex carey did (but missing) multiple times against multiple australian batsmen this very test, likely under the instruction of ben stokes... who also failed to stop bairstow from doing it yet he claimed he wouldn't let it happen (blatant lie)
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN they didn't retract their appeal
@BOYTOY_HEAVENThe shoe was on the other foot yesterday with the starc catch and you don’t see us carrying on
@BOYTOY_HEAVEN yes, sandpaper happened... but that is the one incident of ball tampering in australia's history.
england ball tampered in 2005, mike atherton famously ball tampered and both broad and anderson were exposed for ball tampering in the early 2010s. (and that is all in the last 20 odd years alone)
when you go throughout history, englands rapsheet is actually significantly longer than australias.
australia have more ICC trophies, england have more ICC bans.
Jarrod's analysis is completely in a different league than others.
completely logical.. never swept up in narratives..
thanks for pointing it out that stokes is an avg./above avg. ordinary player in normal circumstances (i felt that too) but at the same time thank you for introducing me to the idea that he becomes exceptional in tight/single-choice situations.
Absolutely! Even many of the writers on Cricinfo get swept by narratives, like (in a recent article) Matt Roller. Too often writing becomes about the florid language you use and not the logical rigour
25 quid crowd members created a scene a Lord's, right! Cuz if you look at the Long Room, everyone in their was decorous and in their most gentlemanly selves.
imagine if Bairstow remembered that he tried to "stump" Labuschagne on the 3rd day.....but Starc's catch on the 4th day was the "letter of the law"
until the 5th Day....when Bairstow was stumped..suddenly the "letter of the law" didn't matter
Very, very good video. You're a master at what you do. The excitement in your voice was so clear. Its so clear how much you love cricket. I wish you a million subscribers man. I wish you never die and keep making these videos forever, and I never die and I keep watching them forever.
Great work Jarrod. Summed it up nicely. A suggestion for Carey going into next weeks 3rd Test: wear a Brendon McCullum face mask.
"He was not looking for an advantage" is like saying "I wasn't looking to hit the ball" when you edge one caught. It literally does not matter whether you were looking for an advantage, runouts are dependent on where you are relative to a crease, not intending to score runs.
This test is gonna be remembered for a long time, not just because of controversies but also because of some incredible display of cricket.
"that's all you'll ever be remembered for"
As an Indian, I don't think Broad should be saying that.😂
Thanks Jarrod for your analysis of the Spirit of the game. If you want to go down this road of bad sportsmanship nothing comes close to the gold standard of Bodyline theory. For those who came in late it was invented by England to stop Bradman. It offered the batter two options. Risk serious physical injury and possible death or get out. It too was well within the laws of the game as they existed at that time. So I would really appreciate less mendacity from English supporters as Carey's stumping doesn't even get close to the premeditated nastiness of bodyline.
very well said
Yeah sure.... we're beholden to the standards set nearly 100 years ago. Extrapolate that across society and life and see how stupid that argument is.
Completely spot on about Stokes and his gears, Jarrod. I've got to the point where I , an anyone-but-England-bloke, fear Stokes the most in situations like this, in a way I haven't really feared an opposition batter, ever. It seems the worst thing you can do to Stokes is to corner him, because at that point, his approach to batting is some of the most clear-headed and lucid.
It is a miracle to behold, English supporter or otherwise.
I didn't realize that Bazball changed the rules about staying in your crease. England needs to let everyone else know when they change the rules.
Good one Jarrod, this one make better sense of all the other videos i have seen on the stumping
If Carey misses the ball and Bairstow had walked down the crease and saw the ball past Carey if would’ve certainly gone for a single.
Did he tell you
100% he would have
If batsman hit straight to bowler for last ball of the over
Bowler frustrated and throw to wickets and it goes in to four would they take that runs or not
Your point being?
@@474creations8f*ck me,what has it got to do with batting side they can’t change the outcome if it goes to the boundary
I think the most interesting titbit to the whole bairstow saga is that almost the exact same thing happened in the very first test australia won in England in 1882 where the ever famous W. G. Grace stumped an Australian after a single where he was inspecting the pitch. It was clearly given out and was said to spur on the Aussies to victory. But we're the cheats....
Andrew Strauss and Eoin Morgan, 2 former England captains said in the post match analysis that the Bairstow incident was ok and they would've appealed too.
"Test to keep"! Well said. Cannot wait for more drama starting Thursday. But there is a real fear that Eng would lose this series in the next test unless they keep their heads.
Rubbish test lucky for stokes would of being worst test ever by any country shit bowling by Australia cause england were on top 20 runs in 3 hours not good for game or Steve Smith run maker facing rubbish only bloke from Australia that was upset watch end of game
Jarrod, your reviews are so good, I wouldn’t care if you were reading from your own script. But if you are speaking unscripted on your videos, you get bonus points from me. Great job!
He is reading from the script. Regardless, it is well delivered.
This Australian team is a really solid test team.. they lost the toss, they batted on Day 1 in the most bowler friendly day of the match, lost Lyon, faced Ben Stokes in beast mode.. still they came up on top.. they have batters and bowlers for all conditions..
They are going to be the team to beat for the next 5 years..
YOU ARE RIGHT
Then why they lost in india and please don't give me pitches excuse
@@thecricketfanofficial8092 they didn't have green for which they couldn't field three spinners at nagpur. They fielded two offies where jadeja was the highest wicket taker.
1981 England vs India, Kris Srikanth on his debut was run out by Embury, similar to Bairstow and English captain did not recall Srikanth. Where was the English "spirit of the game" then?
Jonny Bairstow = The Great Yorkshire Pudding.
Absolutely legitimate wicket
true but very cheap.
@@richardthompson7572 Cheap is subjective and relative. Should not have a place in sports with clearly defined rules.
@@TheGeorgeous agreed he was out i disagree you cant have character when you win. cheap!
@@richardthompson7572 Character is subjective and relative. Doesn't have a place in a sport with clearly defined rules.
@@TheGeorgeous such a smart reply! however i think character is important in sport. It is entertainment after all. The Aussies are winners but cheap winners.
Look at the scorecard for the 1882 "Ashes" test. Aussie 2nd innings Sammy Jones run out 6. Guess what happened, and who did it.
Excellent analysis as always. i would add one extra fact that contributed to England's loss which was not mentioned was the fact that England had given up a mind boggling 74 runs as extras. It was only Stokes innings made it look close and he was dropped twice as I recall.
Never heard or seen this dude before, but as many of you have said his explanation and analysis is brilliant
Beautifully said Jarrod
I will always remember it as a great test match. Both sides battled hard and at the end of it all there was only one winner. But Ben made it win or lose game by his awesome batting. But the damage had been done the evening before. 4 wickets, including Root gone, just made it that much harder. If they started day 5 only 2 down, then it would have been different story. Just to add, I was taught at age 10 to always stay in my crease until Over was called.
This video missed that McCullum ran out Collingwood (the same way Carey did) , in an NZ/Eng ODI in NZ, and Vettori as Capt did not call Colling wood back. So when he talks about the Spirit of the game he should remember his deeds as he has done it a few times.
Test world champions and 2 wins from 2 games in the Ashes. So proud of straya
@@Nothing-kr5hn Steve Smith man of the match with 2 great batting performances. So proud
@@Nothing-kr5hn KEEP POSTING DUMB COMMENTS AS AUS WIN 5.0
@@Nothing-kr5hnkeep up the whining mate 2-0
Test world championship was a lot easier since it was India without their best spinner and allrounder.
jarrod ur analysis are just gold keep going like this ❤💯
Remember Ian Bell's run out in a a series vs India. He decided that he hit a boundary but the ball did not cross the boundary. The public and he cried for a second chance and Dhoni magnanimously obliged.
Well put. Thanks
Bairstow somehow creating two memes in a single match 😄
Your a smart man Jarrod and great presentation
All good. I can't wait for Australia to start playing properly.
I recall Shane Thompson being out in similar fashion in NZ v Pakistan in the 90s, with no controversy. You stay in your crease.
I think Australia got their tactics wrong at the end there. I've never been a fan of having 9 fielders on the boundary, you still need to try and get them out in other ways that let's wait for him to slog it to one of the boundary fielders, and some of the bowling was atrocious, they just kept feeding his pull shot, he was just sat back and waiting for it. The moment they changed their line to outside of he struggled to get it away.
Even towards the end when it seemed like it took an eternity to get that final wicket, they were just getting carried away with the short stuff. I was thinking please can someone bowl at the stumps, Josh Tongue was exposing all his stumps. The moment Mitch starc finally bowled one at the stumps he got bowled.
I think starc has to play just to limit the number of tail end runs if nothing else
Yes.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
well researched! great content
Waiting for this!
I thought Jeff Bridges made this video but it is Jarod..
I'm surprised by how many analysts fail to mention that the Aussies can improve ALOT.
not really, its only eng that can improve. aus are at their peak in all departments
I mean... I think both teams have played averagely, *especially* with the ball. But with Australia being 8ks an hour quicker it hides it a bit more than 4 of England's 5 bowlers.
@@danialshah2957No way dude. Batting wise, yes, bowling wise, I was far more on the edge of my seat in 2019 than in 2023.
@@danialshah2957 really ? You're taking the piss surely
@@realMaverickBuckleyalthough pitches are very very flat
3rd grade cricketers know not to leave the crease until you know it’s ok to do so,it’s like picking up the ball.
Can we also mention that Bairstow tried to do the same move on Marnus like one day earlier? The only difference is he missed.
Last ball of over?
@@stevesalkas9128 yep, last ball
Marnus was very much in the crease, no?
@@vamosabvyep. Because marnus was paying attention.
This is what makes this whole thing so funny. Bairstow tried the same move and of course Stokes and McCullum standing up for the spirit of the rules immediately pulled him from the field... oh wait... that isn't what happened at all?
Bairstow honestly lucky were all taking about how dumb he is instead of his drops.
Stokes got chance in 77,88,114 .Australia were lucky they didn't throw away the match
Love these videos
You are a gem Mr Kimber ❤
Finally someone is on the Aussies side. They did not cheat.
Hi Jarrod, any reason why you weren't on SEN for this test? I missed not having you on...
It was very louder than edgabaston.......i have never seen lords cricket ground like that
Poor show from the crowd. Im English and its not funny or entertaining to boo Smith or chant the Aussie cheating shite.
The only thing i thought when Bairstow got out was 'Well that was INCREDIBLY stupid.' The mussus just said something about even 12yr olds wouldnt do that(not ground their bat between overs). No idea why people are angry at the Aussies. They're a ruthless, intelligent, and very talented team. What do you expect?
Look.. Australia is the best team in the world. Before Stokes innings, i dont believe anyone who knows cricket would choose a single English player to replace an Australian player if you were making the best team between the two.
So if you're playing a team , and every single player is better than yours.. and the normal conditions that you're used to aren't there because of the weather? You need to be 100% switched on. No dropped catches, no brain fades , any tactics (which is why i found it absurd when people were whining about Englands session and a half of bouncing.. do you wanna win or not?).
Its always a struggle against Australia and India , especially Australia in 2023. There's no room for stupid mistakes or apathy. The cheating chants, which granted, is by maybe 0.01% of England supporters is absurd and boring.
Yes it's sad it looks like Australia could win their first Ashes (away) in 2 decades *so early* but it doesn't require silly chants or calls of how the game 'should' be played.
Play to win. If its in the rules its legal. If there is an open ... gentleman's agreement like Mankads where 90% of people agree you warn them first, then fine but anything else.. no. And even with Mankadding, moan for a day then learn and move on.
If we start implying that the gane must be played with a certain number and style of tactics and strategy, then it just ends up with the best 11 human beings win. That's shite.
You are right my friend very much
Sir Stuart 'The Nighthawk of Nonsense'
haha, that was gold
I love this. The drama, the animosity, the heroes and villains and the great cricket keeping the audience hanging on every ball.
Now this is test cricket! Well done to both teams. 🏏🦁🦘
10:05 Credit to Abhishek Mukherjee? 😅
Chart "Batters with 5500 test runs", is there a better visual demonstration of how good Bradman was? More broadly, is there any sportsperson who was statistically so far ahead of everyone else?
England need to play wood and Ahmed next test...sure it's a gamble but it's a must win game...Ahmed bowls a nice wrong'un that won't be easy for Australia's tail enders and woods pace won't be easy for anyone though his fitness is a issue...
Oh, didn't know that, though those lines were some sort of Druid symbol.
The only baffling thing about this whole situation is why it’s so controversial bairstow had a brain fade and paid the price end of story 🏏
I'm actually surprised how hard it is to find comments from English fans who don't agree Bairstow was clearly out. Someone said that there's a difference between cricket fans and people that go to the cricket for a day out. So kudos to the greater Englishmen who know their cricket.
Most people know its out, the point was how cheap and premediatated it was when the player (bairstow) was not trying to gain an advantage. It ruins the game.
@heretichello8253 Defend it all you want youre missing the point. I dont know all of those situations so cant comment but with it being sport the context is different with each. With this the ball was live and it was out. Its just cheap and ruins a close match. for context I wouldve said the same in reverse and i said the starc catch was out.
Agreed, I'm English and Bairstow was out technically. He was naive and brainless to the extreme, would prefer to see Foakes behind the wicket. But nice to see a genuine Aussie who isn't using this situation as an excuse to show their true hatred towards England, as 95% seem to online and in the media.
@@andy2172 That's it Andy, you'll find the media and people online behind a keyboard don't really represent the greater population. I have great English friends and I don't know anyone who hates England. Have a good day mate and enjoy your nice summer because I'm freezing my arse off down here!
@@richardthompson7572 enough is enough .🤦. Australia actions was well within the laws and following rules is not considered cheap instead the right thing to do. If anything england should focus on winning and improve their performance instead . I am fed up with people like you .🤫😡
Good one Jarod as ever, wish we could have you up in the box, have the right amount of wit, sarcasm, common sense and cricketing knowledge.
But I have to admit feeling a little disappointed by this Series, despite the close competition in the two matches. And it is due to the nature of pitches offered - slow and flat with lateral movement only available for small periods when the clouds decided to show up. This has totally negated the one thing that I love to watch in England - swing and drift in the air with reasonable pace, available to both pacers and spinners. And it has turned into a one-dimensional 80 mph short-pitch, wide bowling (were the umpires sleeping?) snorefest, with the rare Cummins / Starc spells under cloudy conditions being the exception. And the less said about the English trundlers (minus Tongue) the better.
I enjoy Test cricket primarily to watch batsmen face Swing, Spin and Express Pace and bounce bowlers - the magic is all about beating the batsman in the air and then off the pitch if possible. On the other hand these metronomic line-and-length, seam bowling bots makes me quickly turn off the screen (particularly despise the wobble / scrambled seam deliveries when they get a batsman out, despite the bowler not knowing which way the ball would move). And having to watch everyone dig it up short and wide on these slow surfaces with occasional variable bounce, without even having the respite of Lyon's spin was worse than having to watch paint dry. I don't know, maybe you guys are more invested in these matches than a neutral like me, but neither of the two matches did anything for me. The pitches were so slow and flat and the 5th day in both games didn't do much except for the occasional variable bounce. Neither Cummins' innings last match nor Stokes this match moved me as would have any of the great knocks in close Test matches in the past. The contest despite appearing close on the statsheet seemed all too contrived, there just wasn't much available for bowlers to TEST the batsmen other than resorting to a boring short-pitch tactic.
I know people may disagree with me, particularly the Aussie and English fans, but if I am being honest I'd rather watch 2-3 day test matches on Green / Brown minefields where everyball seemed like an event - a real test of survival, than these 5 days seemingly Corporate-contrived contests on soulless pitches.
I feel the same about those bs dust bowls served up in India, with two spinners taking the new ball for the first over of a test match. That’s not real cricket IMO.
Britan used to be great at cricket. A long time ago.
Same old england, always crying 🎵 😭🤣
Always whingeing
Same old Aussie’s always winning!
Think you'll find it was bitch Warner and Khwaja crying because a few geriatrics had a go at them
At the end of the day when all's said and done....Aussies 2-0 up and pommies are whinging as always!
The only thing not in the spirit of the game was the crowd, including and most disappointingly, the MCC members.
England have been in both tests, sure if you discount that Smith and Labuschagne got practically zero runs between them in the 1st test, not likely to happen again. And in the second they were down Nathan Lyon. Yep England have been in both test or they have been lucky to get as close as they did.
Yes, because Aussie crowds are so warm and welcoming to the English. The hypocrisy is laughable.
Stokes is out of his crease as well, so the ball is still in play.
Broad is the last person to talk on anything regarding the spirit of cricket, what a total tool he is
The only breaking of the spirit of cricket here - is bad losers, booing crowds and classless members. Cricket is about accepting an umpires decision, applauding the other team's success and being a humble winner. Bad sportsmanship on display by England. (I'm English and disgusted)
I’m new here but already I recognise this bloke could be named nothing except Jarrod Kimber
Surprised people haven't mentioned spofforth & WG Grace oval test ashes runout
Yeah I was there I seen it
I just did.
V typical England imo. They were fine running out CDG and Grant Elliot. Baz was fine doing what he did but when it happens to them they don't like it. English fans were absolute melts.
Broad is wrong. I remember Carey taking two important 100+ run partnership breaking catches off Hazlewood. One was well above his head and the other was at point(LH). And that was just in this match. Keepers rarely get man of the match or series but Carey was very good in this game and brilliant in the previous one.
Broad shouldn't be chirping so much after nicking one off to the first slip and just walk away to chat with his partner as if nothing happened while the Aussies kept appealing.
I bet the members clapped when Strc’s catch was disallowed
As soon as the keeper catches the ball, the umpire calls over lol.
Such nonsense
No he didn't! Lies won't help.
@@de1623 I was being sarcastic
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 No worries...
Stumped not run out
It was for sure out as per the law of cricket. And it's actually funny because it is the same England team who have won a world Cup through technicality and complaining about technicality because this time they are in the receiving end.
"Same old England always whinging" and losing
Good spot with Brendan McCullum being the keeper for the Murali stumping in 06 👍.
I gotta say I was one of those who immediately was outraged but I'm slowly begrudgingly accepting the decision. Definitely a cheap shot though
Can I just say that I disagree that bairstow was not seeking advantage. By not concentrating he would remain fresher longer and was choosing to ignore the pressure and the situation at hand. In these situations that is actually a significant advantage.
Make a video on World cup qualifiers and some of the players there
Series might as well be over.
Love the avoidance of saying Bairstow is a hypocrite as he does this himself.
Interesting that 3 people were arrested for reminding us all of our imminent existential crisis whereas 3 people had their memberships 'suspended' for one of the worst displays of (up-close) abusive crowd hooliganism in cricket history...consider that in the context of the recent ICEC report and you start to get a sense of the true 'spirit' of English cricket
@nieoojgotoy8716 that doesn’t even make sense…what are you even replying to?
Love to hear Indian nz or south African opinion
Indians agree that it was out. We’re usually on the receiving end of this spirit of cricket nonsense from England
Bairstow and Stokes = Clown life 🤡🤡
CANT IMAGINE HOW ENGLAND WILL CRY AFTER LOSING 5.0.THEY WILL SAY AUSTRALIA SHOULD CONCEDED ONE TEST Because SAKE OF SPORTSMANSHIP WHICH ONLY APPLY TO ENGLAND
2:14 So the Aussies saw that Bairstow regularly left his crease? Then they will have also seen that Bairstow time and again tapped his foot down in a time honoured gesture of saying ‘I’m leaving my ground, I’m not going for a run and I’m just going down the pitch for a spot of gardening or a chin wag with my mate.’ But they chose to ignore that gesture didn’t they? And it’s interesting isn’t it how these incidents always occur when the pressure on a team starts to grow. Just looking for that little edge. Bairstow was looking dangerous. So Australia play their ‘it’s within the rules’ card. It’s like Ashwin choosing to Mankad Butler because he was taking the game away from India. We can ignore spirit of the game but if we want the game to descend into pettiness and have bowlers interrupt their bowling stride every over to attempt a Mankad or hurl the ball at the stumps everytime (just in case the batsman leaves his crease) then let’s carry on and ignore all pretence of ‘hard and fair’ or ‘spirit of the game.’ I mean, what was the point of all the Aussie hand wringing after Warner and Smith forced Bancroft into smuggling sandpaper onto the ground? If winning is all that matters, then surely we can expect more Mankad’s from Aussies in the future because it’s ‘within the rules’? Or is spirit of the game only applied selectively by the Aussies so that they feel good about themselves? And by the way, ‘dragging your foot out of your crease is also not taking an advantage’ is not the same as what happened here and to pretend it is, shows the weakness of the argument. Had Bairstow been stood out of his ground to Green, I would have no issue with Carey. Had Bairstow over balanced and in so doing left his crease, or attempted a run, that’s fine too. Hide behind ‘its within the rules’ and ‘Whinging Poms’ and ‘what about the Starc catch’ but the Lords crowd know what they witnessed. And it’s an Aussie team falling back into old habits of winning at all costs.
There have been a massive increase in the number of mankind attempts in Australia club cricket. It is widely accepted as a legitimate form of run out. Only the old people cry about “spirit of the game”.
I agree with the spirit of your comment Mike. I'm completely okay with the run out or the people who say it's within the laws. However, this one does feel a little wrong. Rather, if they had withdrawn the appeal it would have warmed everybody's hearts. Warnie, Hayden have all criticised Mankading (which is totally fine) in my opinion. There was opportunism and some hypocrisy by the Aussies. Starc has previously not Mankaded batters.
In my view Ben handled it really well in the ground and press too...
That's how u do not want to win a match. Such a great contest sadly will b remembered for an incident like this.
Liked it just for the phrase "night hawk of nonsense"!!
Brilliant Jarrod
So, spirit of the game...Starks "non catch" should the batter have walked? Even though the rules state he is not out...
not comparable. The catch wasnt a catch and bairstow was stumped. The plays were different however, bairstow wasnt gaining anything or still in his batting stroke. Bairstows fault but a cheap, cheap way to win a 5 day match.
@richardthompson7572 see I disagree. I could say that starks catch was a catch and I would have walked if I was the batter...that's in the spirit of the game. Maybe if the batter had walked on the catch then the stumping occasion cummins would have said, ok, they went against the umpire decision for the catch ill go against the umpires decision here...either way, both captains, and fans, have to accept the umpires call. For reference I showed my wife, who does not follow cricket, the stark grounded ball and she said that's not a catch, I showed her the stumping and she said that's out, I was told that rule in pe as a kid...then she said both players must have had brain fades! Hahahaha
@@michaeljohnston8024 woulda shoulda coulda. Its all subjective but after the aussies reputation for cheating (sandpaper) youd think theyd look for ways of making themselves look a little less cheap.
@@richardthompson7572🤣 OH ENGLAND , ENGLAND WON ASHES 2005 OPENLY CHEATING AND EVEN JOKED ABOUT IT🤣.I KNOW YOU ENGLISH PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE PURE AND GODS BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD SHUT UP.
@@richardthompson7572 ENGLAND HAS GONE BACK ON THIS SO CALLED SPIRIT MANY TIMES AND WON WORLD CUPS . ONLY REASON ENGLAND TEAM IS STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY CANT BEAT AUS SO THEIR TRYING TO KEEP THE FOCUS AWAY FROM THE MAIN ISSUE.
Stoksy is a good player, but "great"? I have my doubts. Well, he does have some fabulous achievements but that's mostly by riding his luck. His "greatness" is because on a couple of occasions his luck favoured him on very very important matches, like the WC Finals. That is why he has a paltry average, in spite of being such "great". I really think his "greatness" his overhyped.
As they say in cricket, form is temporary but class is permanent. A real class batsman would have a healthy average, and I guess that's the very purpose of having an average, to even out temporary fluctuations. Hence, for me, a batsman or a baller with a paltry average can never be considered as a great. He or she can be considered as effective, but great? As a cricket fan and a keen observer of cricket from a long time, I'm not buying that.
I actually disagree with you on this one completely , if a player drags his foot out it’s probably because the ball has gotten him into this position, so that’s not exactly the same at all.Also you’re right that bairstow can’t decide when the ball is dead but the umpires had started to walk in, even if it’s not the laws that’s a clear indication that the batsman thinks that the ball is dead, the last and most crucial point I would like to make as a neutral fan ,bairstow actually watched if his foot was within the crease or not, this is significant as although he loves to get down the wicket and have a chat he also closely watches his foot after each ball.In conclusion i think we should look at this as an isolated incident and not look at something that the englishmen did 90 years ago or the Aussies 20 years ago. Having said all of this it was out
Nothing you said is written in the law.
I know but it's a perception thing, if the batter percieves that it has happened then he will act accordingly
Same old Aussies
What winning? Yes they are 2-0
SAME OLD AUSSIES WHO WINS 5.0
Not sure it's correct to say that bowler's end umpire visibly looking away from the "action" while preparing for next ball or over etc doesn't make the ball dead. Law 20.1.2 says the ball is dead if it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play. In other words, the umpire's perception of circumstances can make the ball dead. Now you can argue about whether the umpire in this case should or should not have thought it was clear that all the fielders had ceased to regard the ball as in play. But the umpire would not have behaved the way he did unless, rightly or wrongly, he felt it was clear that all players had ceased to regard the ball as in play. And the umpire's view of that, in itself, made the ball dead according to the laws - the laws make clear that the ball doesn't have to be called dead to be dead. This isn't just a technicality. With the umpire right in Bairstow's sightline, his actions and behaviour are clearly signalling to Bairstow whether and when Bairstow should treat the ball as dead. Irrelevant in those circumstances what one of the fielding side might be doing with the ball behind Bairstow's back - once the ball has been bowled and missed and the batsmen clearly aren't running, if the umpire then visibly starts ignoring what's going around him and dealing with his paraphernalia in his pockets in preparation for next ball or next over, that can only reasonably be understood to signal to the striker that the ball is now dead. Since all that apparently happened before the bails were dislodged, doesn't that make it not out?
The batsmen never turned around to see what happened to the ball. It's not up to the batsman to call the ball dead. Out every day of the week.
@@vinceryan4131 I think you missed my point. I agree its not up to the batsman to call the ball dead. The ball becomes dead under 20.1.2 without anyone calling it dead, based purely on the perception of the bowler's end umpire. As soon as that umpire starting behaving as if it was dead, the ball was dead, Bairstow was entitled to leave his crease and couldn't be out.
Except Carey throwing the ball less than a second after getting it is very obvious that the fielding side did not consider the ball dead and so the umpire can not consider it a dead ball. If he did, he was wrong which isn’t Australia’s fault. All of this is moot because it was all reviewed by the third umpire who concluded it was a fair dismissal. What’s been appalling is the gross overreaction by most English fans and media. Calling another team cheats and abusing them all because they were opportunistic with Bairstow’s weakness. Worse still, grandstanding about some ‘spirit of cricket’ nonsense when they themselves have been found wanting in that regard in the past, and if it was an English player with that bit of clever play he’d have been lauded as exposing the aussies carelessness.
@@bobs_sa8480 to be clear, I don't think Casey did anything wrong or against the spirit of the game. I agree Casey reacted too quickly for this to be a situation where he noticed the umpire (who may even have been blocked from his view by Bairstow) behaving as if the ball was dead, noticed Bairstow reacting to that, and expolited the situation. Casey could reasonably believe the ball was live, so from his perspective it was just quick thinking and taking a perfectly legitimate chance. But the laws don't give Casey the power to make the ball live again if the bowler's end umpire is clearly treating it as dead. And I said above, there is a discussion to be had about whether it was correct of the the bowler's end umpire to think it was clear that everyone considered the ball was out of play. But the laws are clear that if the umpire did think it was clear, then the ball becomes dead. And by his actions the umpire must have thought it was clear, otherwise it is simply unthinkable that a test match umpire would have taken his eye off the ball and the players, looked down and started fiddling with his pockets or paraphernalia. I'm also doubtful that the third umpire reviewed the point I'm making, i.e. whether the umpire behaving as if the ball was dead made it dead. Normally the third umpire's powers of review are really narrow - eg in this case, was Bairstow out of his crease when the bails fell. I can understand why the umpires might have felt the need to refer that question to the third umpire, because obviously neither of them were looking so they had no idea. But my point is that that same circumstance that the umpires had obviously stopped looking was clear evidence that they had - rightly or wrongly - started treating the ball as dead before the bails came off. Which according to the laws meant the ball was dead and it was not out, so the referral shouldn't even have been made to the third umpire. If Bairstow was led by the bowler's end umpires behaviour into understanding the ball was dead before he left the crease, that is a legitimate reason for him and England players and fans to feel aggreived that he was then given out, because according to the laws he shoudln't have been out in that case. But I totally agree with you that anger at Australia is misplaced and unjustified. People don't get angry with a fielding team who attempt a run out when the decision that then goes against the batter is dubious. It's the terrible umpiring they should be angry at. Not really different here.
@@davidloveday8473 the umpires themselves were careless because they assumed the ball would be dead, but that assumption doesn’t make it so. They need t9 be satisfied the batter and fielding side are regarding the ball as dead, if they had taken that split second and not prematurely looked away, they’d have seen Carey throwing the ball and very much regarding it as live still. I can understand if Carey had delayed, feigned like the over was done, the umpires seeing that then accepting the ball was dead and then Carey attempting a stumping. That would be bad sportsmanship. If Carey released that ball in 0.8s, that means it took less time than that for the umpires to assume the ball was dead and that’s just not possible. I also doubt Barstow was basing his actions on the bowler’s end umpire’s; he’d been wandering out time and time again, I just think he like the umpires prematurely expected the ball to go dead. Further, if the umpires were convinced the ball was dead and had called ‘over’ all in the 0.8s it took Carey to throw, they would have simply told Cummins that ‘actually sorry, the over has been called the ball is dead’, the fact they didn’t and referred it up to the third umpire for the stumping itself means they accepted the ball was still live even if they had looked away assuming it was done. It’s a lapse in judgement from their part as well no doubt, maybe Bairstow was influenced by it ( again, I think he made his own separate assumption) but none of that should take away from Carey being sharp and aware enough. But sport is emotional and fans will often be not be impartial, but it’s these sort of tight margins that separate the elite professionals from more casual levels where mistakes are forgiven. Just as it takes skill to score a century, it also takes it to keep your concentration and stay switched on at all times, and a team shouldn’t be vilified for when they make use of that in their game as well. Admittedly not to a malicious level, but I think we can agree one stumping attempt to a player repeatedly showing a lapse is hardly cause to string a whole team up by their boots and ban them from cricket.
I got one question though.
What’s the difference to when batsmen walk away from their crease because they are not ready when the bowler is in the middle of their bowling run up and the Bairstow incident? The umpires doesn’t call it a dead ball beforehand but only as a result from the batsmen’s actions. The same when a bowler fails to bowl a knuckle ball and drops it mid release. Surely what Bairstow did was the same. He re-marked his crease before setting out every time after a ball is bowled, signalling to everyone that he thinks that ball is done and is not looking for a run and is preparing for the next. His actions, therefore, says that it is a dead ball.
Spirit of cricket exists to cover up for dumb mistakes made by batters that make them look bad
Im surprised Stokes didn't declare at the fall of his wicket. After all, England are only playing for entertainment rather than winning.
England cricket is becoming “cry babies” behaving in a very uncivilized manner, booing and screaming for pity! Play the game, be sporty and extend your hospitality to the visitors. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!
what is with England and the stumps , Charlie Dean and Johnny Bairstow's dismissal all because they stopped following the bowl at a crucial moments.