Why OBS Ford Trucks Can't Make it Over 400k Miles
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Why OBS Ford trucks don't last more than 400,000 miles. It turns out that's not actually the case. OBS Ford's do indeed last more than 400k miles, it's merely a limitation of their odometers that you don't see them with more miles.
Most people look at high mileage odometers like there worthless. I see them as badges of honor
Yessir, to me if it's made it that long it's a sign of a good vehicle, usually that's been greatly maintained too.
Same with me
Had my truck since I was 16 bought it with 120k know has a 459k I’ve meet my now wife in this truck my dad drove me home from the hospital in 97 I proposed to my wife at the top of the Appalachian mountains in this truck drove to 30 of the states in this truck for work because I didn’t want a company truck I love my 7.3 i was able to bring home my first born child this year as the New Years child and I’m in the process of renovating our dream home I love my old ford always have and always will
G&C Productions they are still technically worthless for resale
I think things that have been used a lot are better anyway, not just cars. I’ve had the same iPhone since 2015 and I love people’s reaction to it.
One week into a lock down and this guy already lost his mind.
Lol!
@@DUNEATV I thought it was pretty interesting
Strange how "free" people would follow the orders given by a group thats been around for 237 years and only 8 were they able to achieve some peace? Those 8 were not even consecutive? By my estimations anyone following the orders of any group filled with dishonest, thieving, murderous, pedophiles, has no mind to begin with?
Huh, slaves they are funniest people.
I don't always laugh when reading UA-cam comments but when I do let it be known
I just laughed
Kinda blown away by how far you went to uncover this automotive mystery. This is some truly next-level investigative reporting... props.
I have 408,000+ on my 1994 F150 and at 399,999 it rolled over to 300,000. It's nice to have a truck that lasts forever.
Lots of people need to take miles less seriously
The only time high miles is any problem is when it hasn't recieved proper maintenance
Nathan Pratt 100% Agree
And what vehicle it is
Well said
I'd bet 70% of americans don't maintain their vehicles
@@MrDaltofrevr
That's why u very extensively look at a car ur going to buy, making sure it has been
My 1995 f159 has confirmed over 600k miles on a non rebuilt engine. 351 Windsor is proving to be a really great engine.
Did you change the oil pump? I have 400,000 on mine?
My 97 has done this twice now, I'm at around 540k now.
Yes my 97 the same! I'm at 503,xxx. Still running like a champ!
You have 1,340,000 miles on your truck?
I had a 1995 7.3 & I could tell the truck had a lot of miles on it, it had 373k on it & still ran great. The moment I found out about this I was sad, because of that I drove the crap out of it & later sold it a year later & got a 93 250 the same truck except in the 200k range not 300k cuz there’s no telling how many miles are on it.
I specifically wanted a truck that didn’t have 300k on it just because of this, so I know for sure it has never rolled over & that I know how many are actually on it.
Now the 95 has probably never rolled over, I can say this because I changed out the old factory IPR, CPS & a few other original parts including the starter that was original. The transmission shifted pretty good as well.
Mine has 328,000 what do I have on mine?
@@jonathanharvey6196, unless you look under the hood for the original parts like IPR, fuel lines, & CPS. in my case my 95 had the original CPS in it cuz it was hard to get out & it had tons of dirt on it, the transmission was also in good shape since it might've been changed/rebuilt around 250k. it also had new injectors & need head gaskets.
I think mine had 400k even tho the odometer said 376K, but you truly will never know.
that's why with these its best to get a truck with 200k on it or in that range so you know for sure it hasn't rolled over, I later sold the 1995 PSD & got a 1993 7.3 idi w the zf5 with 210k & shes by baby.
This video got way deeper than I expected from the thumbnail.
I just read a bunch of comments trying to see if anyone has come up with a “fix” for this so the odometer would read the actual mileage. Instead all I read was “nice truk” and “I’ve got 600k”
Man those OBS Ford Trucks are amazing. Can't beat the 7.3 or the 300 I6. I find it kinda hilarious they can't display more than 399,999.9 miles because I know they'll last a lot longer than that. You don't really hear of any newer Ford Trucks lasting that long.
It's not as common, but in fleets the 5.4 and 4.6's lasted way longer than you'd expect given how many flaws they seemed to have. I've seen plenty in the 400k range. But most people aren't comfortable owning a vehicle with that many miles, anyway - every component of the car has usually exceeded its expected service life at that point.
My 7.3 is at about 700k but it don’t read it🤷🏼♂️
@parkerbethke still obs
You are welcome
Miles aren't a concept to 7.3 engines.
@@nap8187 idle hours though murder engines left and right.
That's insane, is it mostly highway driving?
My 5.0 f150 has half of that right now! Hats off to early 90's f series dailys!
I'm 1300 miles away from 400K on my 95 F250, so glad i found your video. looks like I'll have to get a tiny #4 sticker
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Good idea !!!!!!
This dissertation shows what boredom and a little social distancing can achieve.
It's a limitation of the EEPROM storage(only has 256bits) and PSOM IC programming Ford chose to do. After 400K miles it goes back to 300K instead of going back to 0 miles to keep Odometer fraud occurring. It would be easy to "roll up" the odo and say this vehicle ONLY has xxx miles.
The LDC display is a multiplex setup driven by the microprocessor directly.
Is that so
My old 90 f150 short bed 5.0l has 419k I've seen that odometer rollover 4 times lol..motor still pulls hard💪🏼
Another great breakdown and explanation, 7.3 is a great engine but like any engine longevity is based on the quality of maintenance. So, good job keeping your beast running and hope you got more to come.
Wow. 1 cent saved by Ford per unit. Henry would be proud. Gr8 video!
I've got a 90 with the 5 digit odometer, no idea how many miles I have lmao
Ayy same, you got the IDI?
Same with my 86. 97k? 197k? 297k?
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@@averyvarney925 I have a straight 6, not a diesel
@@iceberglettuce890 count your blessings I would kill for double digits mpg
My '89 5.0 is the same. I've seen it roll over twice personally, and that was less than 10 years ago, which puts it at a minimum of 340K. Upper limit I give it is 540K, because it was "on its last leg" when I got it (about 12 years ago).
I do know that the engine has not been rebuilt in any way, aside from the valve cover gaskets and water pumps that I replaced, as well as some sensors and minor things here and there. It burns no oil, feels like it has as much power as new, and still passes smog in CA.
The AOD transmission is well over 300K. It was replaced early in the truck's life due to an accident that unknowingly broke the trans cooler lines.
That was great, thanks so much. I’m about to buy my bro in laws truck and kept hearing they don’t do over 400k which just didn’t make sense for an engine of that size!
Your explanation makes perfect sense and since this one is at 250k I feel safe it’s a genuine number, cheers from Australia!
I bought an old OBS 7.3 & 4000 miles later & I love it! It’s got 370K on the clock, some might say it’s rolled over. But I changed out the factory CPS that was defective. The IPR & a few other parts that die around that time period.
So I’ve come to the conclusion it’s 370K original miles.
I didn’t hear about this fenominon till I met a guy on Craiglist for some parts & he told me about that.
Then I looked it up & sure enough he’s right.
Gosh Dammit ford! I knew ford mechanics were nuts but this is rediculous.
So I’ve have no idea how many miles are on the truck. It could have 370K, 470K, 570K, 670k, it could have 1,070,000K for all I know.
With the 7.3 you just don’t know unless you get into it & look at the wearable parts & if they’ve been changed or not.
Try pressing on it, sometimes that makes the sections show up, like a calculator
I don't think whoever manufactured those screens would have a bin just for ford trucks with that section missing though, probably just not programmed
The ribbon cable probably doesn't even have enough pins in it in order to control that extra segment, But especially the way the groupings for pin 24 and 25 to activate the segments there's no way of only lighting up the top bars for seven only, they put these odometers in almost every Ford vehicle in the 90s make some sense that the engineers only worried about getting to that 400,000 mark being as most vehicles would be mechanically totaled hopefully before they had 200k, in the eyes of the manufacturer
@@mccarterjg also almost every LCD screen in 80s and 90s cars crapped out easy. I had a friend with a 92 Probe and the radio LCD screen blacked out in 93.
I really like the ‘92-‘97 displays. A really cool part of them is that you can program your speedometer to correct it for larger tires or different gears by pressing the trip and select buttons in a certain sequence. Makes you wonder why they went back to the older style non electronic odometer readout in the superduty trucks.
ApacheWulf right
My 1995 4.9l 300 has over 400k on it. It's a 5 speed and it's runs like a champ it's was may pops truck first now it's mine and it's my daily driver. This is not the only 4.9l that I know of that has over 400k on it my best friends daughter has a 1994 short bed with a automatic that still runs like new has never left her stranded and has always been able to do any job they needed it to do. 4.9 it's the best right up there with the 7.3. the best 2 engines period.
I've got a 95 with the 300 too but it has the E4OD automatic. Still drive it every week. I love that truck.
I've seen 7.3 Diesels with over 1,000,000 miles proven by the maintenance logs and the engines had little to no trouble.
Did you not watch the video? He explained that it was a defective odometer🙄🤡
IrishSavage87, he’s talking about logging the millage w oil change intervals w dates, & notating when it rolled over. There’s a guy w a 01 7.3 that has 1,000,000 miles on it. The odometer reads 999,999.9 w the trip ometer the remaining millage plus some.
I’ve seen stories of guys w the 7.3s whose owners have owned the truck before 300k, & they say it’s original. Then would proceed to say that it’s rolled over nearly twice since then.
These ole 7.3s both IDIs & PSDs can go well beyond a million miles IF maintenance has been done to em.
If you do just oil changes, & fix leaks on the engine, then replace injectors every 250k that engine won’t die! 7.3 HEUI injectors are insanely tough as nails. I used to own one & beat the crap out of it while doing proper maintenance.
The engine has no blow by at all, & it read 370k. The trans shifted well, so if the trans was replaced at 250-270k since the trans was fairly new it would shift decent.
That old truck started right up darn near every single time I asked it to do so.
Just don’t feed em Veg oil even at a 50/50 mix! That’s how u kill a 7.3.
This guys obviously never seen the old school wreckers
Amen! Drove a 1965 F350 wrecker for a ford dealer in Podunk Wisconsin back in the 90's. I bet they're still using it.
spar1993 and you obviously didn’t watch the video!
Yall didnt watch the video
No kidding, or they put a Cummins in it!
I would take a sharpie and turn that 3 into a 4. Problem solved.
Thats some out of the box thinking right there.
6 years ago I worked on a 1994 Ford OBS with a N/A 7.3L Diesel, at the time it over 422,000 miles on it!!
Very good video, I have a 93 I bought a few years ago showing 355K - now I realize it is probably more than that. The trucks is great, requires costant repairs and maintainence due to it’s age - but a very reliable and servicable truck indeed
My cousin has a 7.3 with 1 million miles
Clifton Williams really?
Cap
Does he own a junk yard then
@@jacobl7899 your crap
@@motoworks1984 probably
Good idea to pay for an oil change or some type of service at a shop before 299,999. That way it’s recorded and when you look up your VIN it shows a service log. Once your truck turns over 300,000 you can’t prove it has 300,000 or 900,000 miles when you’re trying to sell it on eBay for $25,000 lol.
You could wait until 399,000 couldn't you?
SoCali7three no because once it hits 300,000 it just loops from 399,999 back to 300,000 so if you’re buying an OBS you don’t know how many miles are really on the truck.
Birdlips Ah that’s right, good call 👍
I thought this would be a video ripping on Ford but I learned something new
I have an ex girlfriend who’s stepdads old ford has over 500.000 now. Mint.
? No I just click random titles and comment what I want. Nothing about these vehicles interest me. They’re knock off of foreign vehicles. (Mercedes)
My girl doesn't have half the miles yours does.
@Tim W hell yeah I do
Did you trade her in?
@@double_a_double_u_g1940 what??? How is a na v8 diesel made by international In the late 80s a knock off of a Mercedes.
You should look at that control board. Many times there is an EE prom on the board that stores the mileage for the display. If you find a chip like this you could possibly read it with a dedicated chip reader and interpolate the code into the mileage. A data sheet on the memory chip will usually explain how it is coded. There is also a main computer that should write the total mileage to its memory as well. These codes can be read by dealers when connected to the OBD2 connector under the dash.
If the cluster has its own code you could write a declaration statement of the mileage on the odometer and take it to a notary with the truck so they can certify the mileage. At this point if you have the proper equipment for reading and writing to memory chips you could effectively "zero" out the odometer but To CYA WHEN YOU SELL THE TRUCK YOU MUST PRESENT THE DECLARATION TO THE BUYER. A this point you would add the mileage between the document and the reset odometer to obtain the actual mileage.
Most of these trucks use OBD-1 and the connectors (there are two of them) are out under the hood by the cowl.
My 88 F250 4.9L t18 has 786K miles never had the engine rebuilt still minor rust been sanding down everywhere and repainting
The automatic transmission is the issue. Also, the front suspension gets worn out and people aren't keen with rebuilding them, especially in the rust belt.
I always thought it was weird that people will just drive their TIB Fords around with the wheels completely toe'd-out. There's like 10 moving parts in the front end how hard can it be?
Clearly you didn't even watch the vid.
Here in the rust belt the bodies don't last. There are very few, well maintained, high mileage trucks.
Wyatt Gardner I think of all the big 3 the cords of the 90d held up the best to salt, not saying they were exempt from rot but compared to say a 2nd hen dodge they don’t rust as bad
Got a 97 ford that’s been through hell and back to end up with over half a million and be stock and damn near factory proves them obs 7.3 trucks
This is not what I expected but it was really cool to watch
I have a friend who has an obs 7.3 with somewhat close to 670k documented miles. We always fight because I’m a Chevy guy and I still find that milage hard to believe but he has had it since new so I can’t argue with an old man who’s live my like span 4 times
That's because most old Ford engines have a very similar design to old chevy engines. This whole ford vs Chevy thing is a load of crap.
Both have made some brilliant vehicles and both have made crap vehicles
Half of my rural New England town drives an obs ford ranging from a 17 year old amateur off-roader to a 73 year old farmer
Know someone who uses his OBS for farm work with over 600K. Prefers OBS vs the newer diesels
Jorge Chen Valle, newer diesels won’t even make it past maybe 300-400K if you’re lucky. If you want a new one get ready to spend a lot of money.
I hate to brake it to ya but these newer diesels will last just as long making more power. I LOVE the 7.3 but the 6.7 has got it beat hands down. Is seen several over 700k on the 6.7.
We had a F250 gas, glass rack truck that went to 640,000 before the cam went flat! The only thing done was block the EGR in the intake cause it kept burning out the gasket.
7.5L pushing 389 and running strong. ✊
460
97 f250 HD. 351W 192k. Runs like a champ!
This is good information for me because I own a 94 F150 with 394,000 miles. Now I know what to expect.
Did you make it to 400k?
They didn't build it to read over 400k because they didn't think anyone had enough time to drive the slugs that far.
You are so wrong. I just sold my 1995 F350 it had 756,223. It has had 4 transmissions. Never had to change the engine. The engine had oil &filter every 3000 miles. The rear differential oil was changed every 10,000 miles. The transmission fluid & filter every 20,000 miles. The transmission issues were all torque convertor failures till i replaced the last one with a billet unit.
The trucks last issue was a wiring harness to the idm and the steering column was work out for 6th time and i was not investing anymore into it, so i sold it.
Awesome video. Fist time i have ever heard of this. I have owned 2 of these trucks in the past
My 96 E250 4.9 has reset to 300,000 twice. So it actually is at 540k now
I own a 99 f150 4.6 ltr and it's got over 389,000 miles on it motor was replaced by Ford at 90,000 due to leaking head. It's been a good work truck.
I've seen this come up before and it was determined that the upper left segment is non existent. I honestly can't figure out the reason behind that decision. It not a limitation of electronics as you can make anything you want given the proper circuit design. I don't see it being a flaw or oversight either, since it would have been a very simple fix.
I had a 1996 Grand Am that I got over 1 million KM. But Pontiac was gone and there was nobody left to care about such a feat.
The earliest digital dashes (the ones with the large digital speed display) had a similar problem. The left-most "number" only had the two segments needed to display a "1". You'd hit "199999.9" only for it to roll back to "100000.0" I put it down to simple cost cutting because (for example) 50 cents saved on a single unit times 800K units = $400K in additional profit.
I saw that during the "startup test" in the first ten seconds of the video!
I agree with Jon, it's probably just that tiniest bit of extra profit.
The Toyota Prius has a similar problem, being an early sample of a gasoline hybrid, the electronics take some of the load off the engine, allowing the vehicles to last longer than they otherwise would.
The odo will just "die" at 399,999 and the display will stop incrementing. But you can still read the actual mileage with a scan tool.
That is truly amazing considering Grand Am's were known to be one of the worst cars made.
Gotta love the 92-96 Ford Trucks. I have a 96 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 209,000 miles on it and still going strong. The only things I replaced on my truck was the starter, the power steering magnesium, and the front fuel pump but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance, took the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since.
I sold mine at 430k still running ok. Best thing to do for them keep fuel filters clean.
The one farm I worked at had a 7.3 with 1,400,000 miles on it
It does go over three. Mine went to over 410000. Then one week I started the truck the odometer went back to 300000. Lost 100000 miles in one day. Go figure.
Or, you were high.
That increased the value by 20 bucks
Wish but never done the stuff . Lol
Well, you must have remembered incorrectly then, because it isn't possible for the first digit to be a 4, 5, 6, 8, or 9 because there's literally a circuit missing on the board.
Maybe some osb ford engineer could chime in on this. I've seen this before and just assumed the display was going out. Once a vehicle is over 300,000 miles you tend to give things like this a pass and just be happy that it still moves.
The only thing I can think of is that my owners manual (original to my 1996 7.3l f350) has maintenance recommendations that stop well before the 300k miles mark. I really think they didn’t mean to make them last this well.
Btw, has your rolled over yet? Hope you got it on video
Wow that's really interesting! My obs just rolled over 230k this weekend!
Your obs is barely broken in.... Will last a very long time!
My 96 f350 had the 351 seize up at like 80k. Lol. Frame was crusssssty too.
One of my coworkers just passed 600k miles on his truck.
450,000 on my 94 f150, 300 l6, zf 5 speed, 4x4.
Most of the miles have been towing, or off road use.
oldreliable303 Justin Scott did they really put a zf5 behind the 300 even in f150s? I though the 1/2 ton trucks got the m5od
Nice I've gotta 94 300 5spd 2wd it's only at 109k
1991 f150 farm truck has 403 000 miles. But it’s a non electric odometer. Still is reliable as old hell somehow
correct , my 97 f350 lwb cc 4x4 7.3 zf5. at 399,999 went to 300,000 .it also didn't read due to a short on the ignition switch for about 9 months. it's fixed now & reads around 311,000. actually more like 340,000. I bought it in 3/?/2003.. this month makes it 20years .3 clutches ,1 trans. paid $1,800.00 for it ❤️PSD !!!
That was a really cool outro!
Years ago my brother swapped for a ‘93 F250, 460, 5 speed, that was pushing 400k. I remember our dad saying the odometer wouldn’t go to 400k on those trucks, but I never knew why. My brother was only 15 at the time, so he couldn’t really drive it, and didn’t keep it long enough to see what happened
I have 2 97 Ford F-350s and each has over 500,000. even tho the green one has 3 rods knocking and still runs
😂
You k how there tough when the rods knock and it still goes
For sure man👌🏻👌🏻
My 96 4.9 tower of power f150 had 480,000 on it with a blown head gasket for 10k or so before I scrapped it truck was bullet proof
Idling doesn't hurt diesels, cold starts do..that's why they have glow plug issues...EXCELLENT VIDEO...what about adapting a mechanical odo with a speedo cable?? Start it at 4hk...etc...if it can be thought of we can doit...we're americans!
It could be done, the main issues would be getting the mechanical odometer to fit in the cluster as it's a bit tight. I'm sure with some material removal and blending it could work. The other thing is finding a reference point for the mechanical odometer. I don't know if there's a port for a mechanical odometer on the transmission or not. It likely depends on what transmission you have. Heck a separate electrically controlled system might be easier as you could use the existing output from the ECM, provided you can figure out how to read that.
Your 96 looks like it had a lift kit on it. By the way for the year, and it being a work truck...its in really good condition
Apparently something they couldn't figure out because in the superduty they went back to mechanical odometer until 02🤔🤷♂️
I’m the original owner 1997 F250 HD 7.3. The odometer goes to 399999.99 and then all the nines drop off and the odometer shows 300,000. I have turn it over twice. Currently it shows 341,000 . Add 200,000 to get actual mileage of 541,000 .
That odometer reminds me of a calculator lol
Really.. ford couldn't add one more bit and let us know our exact mileage 😥
I'm getting there and I'm in the midwest!! Just like yours same color, except I'm in a day cab!!
My truck just reset to 300K, a few miles from 400K
Wonder if this is the reason the early Super Dutys have analog odometers. My 2000 Lariat does at least
My 01 Super Duty 7.3 has analogue odometer as well.
They went back to digital in 02.
2001 model year is analog
Nice truck man; just bought a 94 f150 with 95k miles; hope to have it as long as you have yours :)
🤔 so my 95 powerstroke that says 385k on the odometer might actually be 485k, 585k, 685k... who knows (got it used with upper 300,000s on the clock).
I wonder if the computer or controller has the actual mileage in it, and if it's readable without screwing it or the data up
That's an interesting point, I don't know how'd you'd figure that out -there's at least some logic in there that signals it to keep looping once it passes 300k miles. If only the engine didn't need the ecm to keep running..
Robert F if you got to 500k wouldn’t it look like a 5 with that one missing bit?
Ryan Cobb, that’s a good point. There’s some logic in it that keeps it looping.
Robert F I don’t think so, to my understanding the computer doesn’t store the data the speedometer does, but who knows maybe I’m just crazy 😝
Its because they didnt expect the massive beast to make it that far i have a 2003 7.3 and i love it i get way better mileage out of my 7.3 then i did my 2004 5.4 triton
Not even Ford knew that they created a god in engineering.
When does the odometer turn on? If it turns on with the key it should run a system diagnostic cycle before displaying. If those two segments activate then it's either lack of programming or age.
From all my research it boiled down to the apron and not enough room for the binary code
yes that element does exist because have a 1994 Econoline van and it say 78526.2
My 92 rollback 514000 miles still runs good uses little oil reverse going bad but still rollin.
strange I drove a 95 F350 and the speedo read 420,000 plus , when I stopped driving and they had another driver use it
420. Lol!
Classic! Great video and very informative. I have a ways to go, my 96 (which was my dads truck) has 239,000.
Good work interesting find. Somebody who has worked for Ford knows the why.
When a 4th generation Ram 2009 thru 2020 Classic hits one million kilometers it stops IE 621,369 miles. I found out when my commercially driven 2014 Ecodiesel hit this number recently and have photo from my truck plus photo of the 6/20/17 Mopar Star case letter that states it. Service advisor complained on my behalf of the faulty design or designed failure if you will. Ram discounted the new gauge cluster price 50 percent for me. I think due to it being a designed failure that Ram should have replaced it for free and paid the dealership for the labor. 🤷♂️
I think 1990 Lincoln towncar may have a zillion, billion, million miles on it, cause I can hear a faint bottom end knock when it's quiet. Oh well I will just keep putting motorkote in it.
I hope my 94 doesn’t get over 400k miles, that would be a lot of gas money 😂
I had a 95 Ford Ranger with over 500,000 miles. It was a 4.0 standard stick...
Great presentation! Thank you Sir!
Outstanding detail bud
Great video ! I wonder if it's the same for Canadian models. Mine has 386 kms. Wonder what will happen at 4???
I love the OBS trucks, but the best suspensions are 1999-2003 trucks. I've got a '99 and an '01 with a combined 1,000,000 miles. Bullet proof.
My '95 F350 crew cab has 651,000 mile - and counting.
The 67 to 79 ones last forever and parts are everywhere I have a 68 f 350 that has over 400 K on it has had one engine replacement sadly rust is starting to ruin the cab beyond repair same for one 78 I have both run the 4,9 six cant kill it they just wear out to no compression from bore wear and valves recede .
None leaded fuel kills:)
When it has over 300,000 miles, resale value is not an issue anymore.
I have a 95 4.9l i6 that has over 300k on it and she still runs like new .
I know of some ford dump trucks and whatnot that used the bullnose gauge cluster that had a 6 digit odometer, instead of the traditional 5 digit. That makes me wonder if there are aeronose heavy duty trucks out there that could display 400k+, but just arent as common
1996 F-350 - no issue with odometer-489,000 and still running strong